The Trigger has been pulled, the Crash has begun. How are things going to play out? My take...

The market "can't" step back. It happened in 2008 and what did they do ? They leveraged "everything" exponentially to try and save the system. What? do you think thay have removed this leverage? You think they will do that again and double or triple the leverage yet again?

If there is any pullback in anything "IT IS OVER".

IT's OVER !

The less you rely on government, the less you will be affected when it all goes down.

Avoid "diverse" areas as well. Diversity only works as long as there are bread and circuses. Old tribal ways are going to resurface after the collapse.

I have a question regarding PMs. In a collapse scenario, how feasible is it to actually transact with your silver/gold coins? It seems like more immediately consumable commodities would rule in such a scenario. Right now I see silver/gold as merely a hedge against inflation... but if the whole thing goes kaput, what value is silver? Wouldn't you just hold it in hope that you could trade it for the next liquid currency?

I'm seriously asking here - please set me straight on this! I'm in a quandary as to whether or not to buy PMs.

This is only a good suggestion for the short term.....a few days or weeks.

What if this scenario takes MONTHS to sort itself out? Continues? They will eventually want everyone to be under control. Homes with safe rooms where you are sheltering in will become targets (someone may think it's empty and loot then torch it with you in it). Then what?

These choices are not easy, they are not black/white. Many, many possible scenarios to consider.

I just remembered the japanese people sitting in line to get one piece of vegetable each after the Tsunami event.


Something really powerful calmed their spirits.

All this and then nothing ever happens

All this is very scary to me, but seems unfortunately very plausible.

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IMO, a big obstacle to overcome before the American middle class will rise up against these pigs is to get the average middle class Joe to understand how TPTB have co-opted our military and used it for their own vile purposes. I hear people all the time say things like, "I don't support the policy, but I support the military." Duh... you've been sold a bill of goods. Every person who considers himself a patriot should be demanding that these wars of empire building cease.

There is time.. .i think we should be looking at
3-22
2013

March 22nd...
skull and bones day....

criminals will take what they want after a crash, they may be gov.org or some other bangers but a crash essentially includes failure of the standard laws and customs usually replaced by the law of the jungle.

Gold and silver or other items that confer instant wealth and status by simple possession will tend to flow to the most violent, evil and grasping sons o bitches, and if you think that you can set up a roadside stand and trade in any sense of safety you dont understand what's coming or what you lose when you allow others to destroy your culture for their own benefit

a 'safe room' can quickly and easily also be used as a large over, just add any readily available fuel, light, and keep adding fuel until the contents are tender.

'Safe' is a relative term.

As long as youre fooled into thinking you can win any conflict only playing defense, you will lose

I remember watching one of the "prepper" shows, where the guy bought booze! Lots and lots of vodka - I think it was - so that he could use it as a barter item.

I'm thinking bartering becomes valuable, rather than coins, in the short term.

OP, OR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO TAKE THIS QUESTION:

the basics of any future crash can only mean this: The U.S. can't pay it's debt service (interest on it's debt). OR the dollar goes into hyperinflation.

Now, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

why? because the U.S. will continue to print more money. Since the WORLD is still entrenched in the U.S. dollar.. ..this printing of dollars creates inflation WORLDWIDE...

this means the dollar becomes more and more WORTHLESS...each day...BUT VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY SLOWLY.

DID YOU COUNT THE 'VERYS'??!!

SO, the u.s. pays it's debts with a weakening dollar...UNTIL THE DOLLAR FINALLY IS BROKEN INTO HYPER INFLATION...BUT SINCE THE WORLD IS STILL ENTRENCHED IN THE DOLLAR (IT STILL IS)...THE BREAK INTO HYPERINFLATION WILL BE VERYx5 SLOW.

sure, it the road to hyperinflation can be sped up with countries not accepting the dollar or exchange rates are radically adjusted...or ..if all oil goes off the dollar standard...BUT THESE ARE ONLY GOING TO HAPPEN SLOWLY AND INCREMENTALLY.

we've got AT LEAST another year before any serious economic problems BEGIN....UNLESS..there is a false flag/trigger event.

Force majeure is the legal term.

When you hear that, it's on.

thank you for this perspective of what we are all (mostly) participating in - what it boils down to, from my perspective is "sheep in the chute" ... but we are not sheep, and I have every reason to believe that - hungry or not, most Americans will not assist the "government" to enslave its population ... at first they will go along with "enforcing the law" because they believe that it is for "the greater good" but once it gets to door to door searches, and shooting their neighbors - American soldiers and enforcement agents, will go home to protect their own families from being subject to "home invasion"

perhaps my faith in my fellowman is delusional but I believe that at our core, we all want the same thing - personal sovereignty ... so even if it is all hype/psy-ops - if you are prepared to be Independent - you win , just hunker down, be a invisible as possible and wait it out because you are not going to stop them from seizing what they want - they don't want to have to deal with you - so stay out of sight.

Read J.P. Morgans letter to his son.
He said something to the effect that: Gold only has value because we say it does, you can not eat it.

The funny thing about a lot of you, all "prepared" with your preps, is that you are so impotent in the current world that you are desperate for a crash as the OP suggested. You falsely believe that when the SHTF you're the only ones who will be prepared to deal with it.

You need to realize that your preps makes no statement whatsoever about your ability to handle a disaster but instead makes a statement about how incapable you are right now.

I suggest you learn how to manage today much better than you are right now. The future will take care of itself.

OOPS!...and the question is:

what indication is there that this 'collapse' is imminent? PLEASE present something to refute the above scenario

12 months is very soon in my book

I have bolded the part of your post that sat me upright in my chair: This type of thinking is what got 6 million jews killed in Europe in the '30's & '40s'. "It can't happen here. This thinking is just too preposterous. No one would do something like that here!"

They have done it before, they plan on doing it again!

All for power.

And what prevents some paramilitary unit showing up and taking it all for nothing?

Nothing.
One man can do nothing against a larger group of men which are better prepared to take whatever they want

Why do the lot of you assume that there will be any law n order remaining when things crash?

There's barely any now, and I dont think it will get any better when the popo are no longer getting paid, or are getting paid to be someones private militia.

your point is somewhat logical...but..

wtshtf...and it will whether 1 month or 5 yrs...i'd rather stand with a prepper than with the 'successful people of the world' that say 'it'll never happen, let the future take care of itself.

those so called intelligent, successful people will put on a bbq in the metro cities.

don't think so?

then you are not nearly as intelligent as you think you are

What about all the counties who want their money back?

typo--lol--- 'those so called intelligent , successful people, will BE put on the bbq in the metro areas

I agree, I will probably NOT know what I am doing when a crash really comes.....but that doesn't mean I want to just sit here and do NOTHING, while watching my government dismantle my country!

I have handled major hurricane aftermaths, so I feel like I am somewhat - maybe not major, but somewhat - prepared to take care of myself if events unfolded as we are reading here.

Would I "make it," or survive? Only time will tell. But to sit and do nothing makes me dumber than a box of rocks, and gives tptb - not me - more control over my future. And continuing to say "Nothing is going to happen," is naive and foolish.

the countries?

they get paid with dollars...fresh off the press...

that's why this can't crash...the U.S. can keep paying debt with paper...worthless paper..that is stamped U.S. DOLLAR

it's just slow death of the dollar...it could take years

I feel much more confident dealing with people who have already proven that they can take care of themselves. Disasters or not, successful people more often than not will remain successful.

No, not for nothing. We prep cause we want to HOPE we can survive. That we can provide some semblance of hope for our family, for our future.

We prep because we know that if we go outside our doors during a military action we WILL be sent to a camp, everything we own taken away. Does that mean I will be able to fend off an attach by some paramilitary unit showing up at my door? I'm hoping they don't know I HAVE anything to take, and pass me by!

Also, I have done other "smart" things, like moving to a small county, away from a large city, and know my neighbors well enough to HOPE they don't kill me for my little bit of food (that they don't know I have, btw).

And NO ONE is assuming there will be any law and order remaining! We're all just hoping we can remain silent, invisible, and self-sustaining long enough for order to be restored in the crazy world around us.

I thought that what OP STARTED this thread with?!?!?