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PEOPLE GET READY JESUS IS COMING...

 
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3915245


WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
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Christmas is pagan
Easter is pagan
You cannot accept Christ...He choses you.
If you are part of the 'elect' you where known before the world began. The rest are simply vessels of wrath fitted for destruction put here on purpose by God to persecute His elect.
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So you think that any Christian who celebrates these holidays is going to hell?Grow up..it doesn't matter what the day means to the devil worshippers that founded them.

Christians in general use them to celebrate the birth and resurrection of Christ.Whether they are aware of the original pagan nature of the dates or not,Christ is what we celebrate on these days now and not pagan dieties.

Are you another one of those unreasonable chaps that also thinks God is gonna send Christians to hell for not adhering to a Jewish calender and worshipping on saturday instead of sunday.

I must have missed the part in the scripture where gentiles have to absorb jewish customs and traditions into their own daily lives.

Even though the NWO in charge might have picked sunday as a worship day because it adheres to their sun god practices,that is not the case for Christians.We merely worship on sunday because in our calender it is the seventh day of the week.Nothing more..nothing less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35430383

I said nothing about having to adhere to Jewish law. All rituals were nailed to the cross with Christ. Explain to me just how you take your pagan holidays call them good and say you are doing them for God.
It does not matter what we think of them.
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Maybe because dates are simply dates,and people of different religions and walks of life often attach different meanings to the same days.

For instance Jews celebrate Hanukah,others celebrate Kwanza,and Christians celebrate Christmas all around the same times.So does enjoying Christmas activities during the duration of Hanukah mean I'm practising Judaism and a secret Jew?

Nope..so just because the satanist elites decide to do some of their devil worshipping on december 25th,doesn't mean that I am worshipping satan by having a Christmas bash on the same day.

Nor does Christians worshipping Jesus on the 7th gregorian calender day (sunday),mean that we are bowing down to the sun god.

Your logic is flawed...
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guys seriously...
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3915245


WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


The word 'wrath' here is not God's wrath. It is simply the revenge you seek when someone wrong's you in some way. This is one of the reasons people are so deceived.
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3915245


WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


You're 'standing' on your flawed doctrine,as justified through the twisting of Gods word.

I know we are not appointed to Gods wrath.Too bad that that doesn't come though until a good ways into the book of Revelation though.

The establishment of the NWO and the hardships that help bring it into being (war,death,pestilence,famine etc) as well as persecution of Christians afterward are not part of Gods wrath but of the devils.
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Christmas is pagan
Easter is pagan
You cannot accept Christ...He choses you.
If you are part of the 'elect' you where known before the world began. The rest are simply vessels of wrath fitted for destruction put here on purpose by God to persecute His elect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22593737


So you think that any Christian who celebrates these holidays is going to hell?Grow up..it doesn't matter what the day means to the devil worshippers that founded them.

Christians in general use them to celebrate the birth and resurrection of Christ.Whether they are aware of the original pagan nature of the dates or not,Christ is what we celebrate on these days now and not pagan dieties.

Are you another one of those unreasonable chaps that also thinks God is gonna send Christians to hell for not adhering to a Jewish calender and worshipping on saturday instead of sunday.

I must have missed the part in the scripture where gentiles have to absorb jewish customs and traditions into their own daily lives.

Even though the NWO in charge might have picked sunday as a worship day because it adheres to their sun god practices,that is not the case for Christians.We merely worship on sunday because in our calender it is the seventh day of the week.Nothing more..nothing less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35430383

I said nothing about having to adhere to Jewish law. All rituals were nailed to the cross with Christ. Explain to me just how you take your pagan holidays call them good and say you are doing them for God.
It does not matter what we think of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22593737


Maybe because dates are simply dates,and people of different religions and walks of life often attach different meanings to the same days.

For instance Jews celebrate Hanukah,others celebrate Kwanza,and Christians celebrate Christmas all around the same times.So does enjoying Christmas activities during the duration of Hanukah mean I'm practising Judaism and a secret Jew?

Nope..so just because the satanist elites decide to do some of their devil worshipping on december 25th,doesn't mean that I am worshipping satan by having a Christmas bash on the same day.

Nor does Christians worshipping Jesus on the 7th gregorian calender day (sunday),mean that we are bowing down to the sun god.

Your logic is flawed...
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But who gave us Christmass?
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3915245


WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


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WE"RE BE GOING HOME SOON!!!



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Quit spreading that pre-trib bs dude! The Bible is clear on that issue! You are not going anywhere till the "LAST TRUMPET" blows and that is after the planet is basically a waste land of destruction carried out by Satan and the anti-christ and if Jesus did not return no one would be left alive!
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This person writes as though they know when in reality they are regurgitating someone else who acted like they knew regurgitating someone else ...

Truth is it doesn't matter.

If you believe, your faith is your strength. Trust in the lord with all your heart.

If you do not believe, your ego is your strength. Trust the devil will work your ego to his full advantage.

If you are unsure, it's time to pick a side of the fence.
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Hey "goodbyte" the Bible does not say the "elect may be deceived", rather it says IF IT WERE POSSIBLE the elect may be deceived (Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22). The can not be deceived for THEY (elect) know the WORD (Logos). The Lord has come once to the earth, soon in the clouds for the elect (His brothers and sisters) then He and the Saints will come to the earth in the second advent to "rule and reign for 1000 yrs."
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3915245


WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


You're 'standing' on your flawed doctrine,as justified through the twisting of Gods word.

I know we are not appointed to Gods wrath.Too bad that that doesn't come though until a good ways into the book of Revelation though.

The establishment of the NWO and the hardships that help bring it into being (war,death,pestilence,famine etc) as well as persecution of Christians afterward are not part of Gods wrath but of the devils.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35430383


What is the Pretribulation Rapture?

The rapture is an event that will take place sometime in the near future. Jesus will come in the air, catch up the Church from the earth, and then return to heaven with the Church. The Apostle Paul gave a clear description of the rapture event in his letters to the Thessalonians and Corinthians.
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thess, 4:16-18).

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality" (1 Cor. 15:51-53).

The timing of the rapture is not known. From the Word of God and from sound reasoning--something Jesus used quite frequently--I hope to prove the reality of the pretribulation rapture.

The word "rapture" comes from Paul's "caught up" remark in verse 17. The words "caught up" are translated from the Greek word harpazo, which means "to carry off," "snatch up," or "grasp hastily." The translation from harpazo to "rapture" involved two steps: first, harpazo became the Latin word raptus; second, raptus became the English word "rapture."




The Unknown Hour
When we search the Scriptures and read the passages describing the Lord Jesus' return, we find verses that tell us we won't know the day and hour of that event. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 indicates that the Jews will have to wait on the Lord 1,260 days, starting when the Antichrist stands in the Temple of God and declares himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven-year tribulation (Dan 9:27). Note that some people only see a three-and-a-half-year tribulation. In a way, they are correct because the first half of the tribulation will be relatively peaceful compared to the second half. Nonetheless, peaceful or not, there still remains a seven-year period called the tribulation. When the Jews flee into the wilderness, they know that all they have to do is wait out those 1,260 days (Mat 24:16). There is no way to apply the phrase "neither the day nor the hour" to this situation. The only way for these two viewpoints to be true is to separate the two distinct events transpiring here: 1) the rapture of the Church, which comes before the tribulation; and 2) the return of Jesus to the earth, which takes place roughly seven years later.



The Marriage Supper of the Lamb
In Luke 12:36, the Word states that when Christ returns, He will be returning from a wedding. In Revelation 19:7-8, we read about the marriage itself. The marriage supper takes place before the marriage. According to Jewish custom, the marriage contract, which often includes a dowry, is drawn up first. The contract parallels the act of faith we use when we trust Jesus to be our Savior. The dowry is His life, which was used to purchase us. When it's time for the wedding, the groom goes to the bride's house unannounced. She comes out to meet him, and then he takes her to his father's house. This precisely correlates with the events according to the pre-trib scenario. Jesus, the Groom, comes down from heaven and calls up the Church, His Bride. After meeting in the air, He and His Bride return to His Father's house, heaven. The marriage supper itself will take place there, while down here on earth the final events of the tribulation will be playing out. After the marriage supper of Jewish tradition, the bride and groom are presented to the world as man and wife. This corresponds to the time when Jesus returns to earth accompanied by an army "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" (Rev 19:14).



What They Didn't Teach You in History Class
Many groups try to discredit the pre-trib rapture by saying most of the end-time events in the Bible have already taken place. A group of people called preterists claims that the Book of Revelation was mostly fulfilled by 70 AD. If the events described in the Book of Revelation took place in the past, I'm at a loss to explain some of the current situations I see around us: the rebirth of Israel, the reunification of Europe, the number of global wars that have occurred, and the development of nuclear weapons. During history class, I must have slept through the part where the teacher talked about the time when a third of the trees were burned up, 100-pound hailstones fell from the sky, and the sea turned into blood (Rev 8:7-8, 16:21). I think several people would have to question their opposition to the pre-trib rapture doctrine if they knew that the evidence provided to them was based on the understanding that most tribulation prophecies have already occurred.



The People of the Millennium
If Christ were to come back after the tribulation, rapture all the saints, and slay all the ungodly, who would be left to populate the earth during the millennium? Only the pre-trib viewpoint can account for this post-trib problem. The Church is raptured before the tribulation, a vast number of souls are saved during this seven-year time frame, and those who make it through the tribulation go into the millennium while the unsaved are cast into hell.



The Saint U-Turn
In the pre-trib scenario, after we rise to meet the Lord in the air, we will go to heaven and abide there seven years. At the end of that period, Christ will come down to earth, defeat the Antichrist, and cleanse the temple. In a post-trib rapture, we would rise in the air to meet the Lord, then do a 180-degree U-turn and come back down to earth. Revelation 1:7 states that Christ will appear out of the clouds and come down to earth. Zechariah 14:4 says that His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. If He's already headed our way, why would we need to be caught up to meet Him?



"Come Up Hither"
Many pre-trib writers cite Revelation 4:1, which says, "come up hither," as a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church, leaving Revelation chapters 1 through 3 as a description of the Church Age. After the shout to "come up hither," the Church is not mentioned in Scripture at all. The attention of Scripture switches from the Church to the Jews living in Israel.

Armies in Fine Linen
When Jesus returns (Rev. 19:18), an army follows Him. The army's members are riding on white horses, and they are clothed in fine linen that is white and clean. In Revelation 19:8, we are told that the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. If the saints of God are returning with Christ to wage war on the Antichrist, then it is not possible to have a post-trib rapture without us running into ourselves as we are coming and going.
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So you think that any Christian who celebrates these holidays is going to hell?Grow up..it doesn't matter what the day means to the devil worshippers that founded them.

Christians in general use them to celebrate the birth and resurrection of Christ.Whether they are aware of the original pagan nature of the dates or not,Christ is what we celebrate on these days now and not pagan dieties.

Are you another one of those unreasonable chaps that also thinks God is gonna send Christians to hell for not adhering to a Jewish calender and worshipping on saturday instead of sunday.

I must have missed the part in the scripture where gentiles have to absorb jewish customs and traditions into their own daily lives.

Even though the NWO in charge might have picked sunday as a worship day because it adheres to their sun god practices,that is not the case for Christians.We merely worship on sunday because in our calender it is the seventh day of the week.Nothing more..nothing less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35430383

I said nothing about having to adhere to Jewish law. All rituals were nailed to the cross with Christ. Explain to me just how you take your pagan holidays call them good and say you are doing them for God.
It does not matter what we think of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22593737


Maybe because dates are simply dates,and people of different religions and walks of life often attach different meanings to the same days.

For instance Jews celebrate Hanukah,others celebrate Kwanza,and Christians celebrate Christmas all around the same times.So does enjoying Christmas activities during the duration of Hanukah mean I'm practising Judaism and a secret Jew?

Nope..so just because the satanist elites decide to do some of their devil worshipping on december 25th,doesn't mean that I am worshipping satan by having a Christmas bash on the same day.

Nor does Christians worshipping Jesus on the 7th gregorian calender day (sunday),mean that we are bowing down to the sun god.

Your logic is flawed...
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But who gave us Christmass?
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We have already established that December 25th was originally a pagan holiday.
And yes the NWO has purposely chosen that day as the birth of Jesus,because it is an inside joke for them because they worship the devil.

And yet I still don't see how that is remotely relevant since intention is what truly matters.Do you know any Christians that say they want to worship satan on Christmas?
Of course not..true Christians merely celebrate Christs birth that day fully knowing that we really have no idea what day or month he was actually born.

It is a mere date..a holiday set aside for that purpose.If the elites chose to worship the devil on that day thats their business.Christians do not..and so this argument just seems redundant.
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3915245


WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


You're 'standing' on your flawed doctrine,as justified through the twisting of Gods word.

I know we are not appointed to Gods wrath.Too bad that that doesn't come though until a good ways into the book of Revelation though.

The establishment of the NWO and the hardships that help bring it into being (war,death,pestilence,famine etc) as well as persecution of Christians afterward are not part of Gods wrath but of the devils.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35430383


What is the Pretribulation Rapture?

The rapture is an event that will take place sometime in the near future. Jesus will come in the air, catch up the Church from the earth, and then return to heaven with the Church. The Apostle Paul gave a clear description of the rapture event in his letters to the Thessalonians and Corinthians.
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thess, 4:16-18).

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality" (1 Cor. 15:51-53).

The timing of the rapture is not known. From the Word of God and from sound reasoning--something Jesus used quite frequently--I hope to prove the reality of the pretribulation rapture.

The word "rapture" comes from Paul's "caught up" remark in verse 17. The words "caught up" are translated from the Greek word harpazo, which means "to carry off," "snatch up," or "grasp hastily." The translation from harpazo to "rapture" involved two steps: first, harpazo became the Latin word raptus; second, raptus became the English word "rapture."




The Unknown Hour
When we search the Scriptures and read the passages describing the Lord Jesus' return, we find verses that tell us we won't know the day and hour of that event. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 indicates that the Jews will have to wait on the Lord 1,260 days, starting when the Antichrist stands in the Temple of God and declares himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven-year tribulation (Dan 9:27). Note that some people only see a three-and-a-half-year tribulation. In a way, they are correct because the first half of the tribulation will be relatively peaceful compared to the second half. Nonetheless, peaceful or not, there still remains a seven-year period called the tribulation. When the Jews flee into the wilderness, they know that all they have to do is wait out those 1,260 days (Mat 24:16). There is no way to apply the phrase "neither the day nor the hour" to this situation. The only way for these two viewpoints to be true is to separate the two distinct events transpiring here: 1) the rapture of the Church, which comes before the tribulation; and 2) the return of Jesus to the earth, which takes place roughly seven years later.



The Marriage Supper of the Lamb
In Luke 12:36, the Word states that when Christ returns, He will be returning from a wedding. In Revelation 19:7-8, we read about the marriage itself. The marriage supper takes place before the marriage. According to Jewish custom, the marriage contract, which often includes a dowry, is drawn up first. The contract parallels the act of faith we use when we trust Jesus to be our Savior. The dowry is His life, which was used to purchase us. When it's time for the wedding, the groom goes to the bride's house unannounced. She comes out to meet him, and then he takes her to his father's house. This precisely correlates with the events according to the pre-trib scenario. Jesus, the Groom, comes down from heaven and calls up the Church, His Bride. After meeting in the air, He and His Bride return to His Father's house, heaven. The marriage supper itself will take place there, while down here on earth the final events of the tribulation will be playing out. After the marriage supper of Jewish tradition, the bride and groom are presented to the world as man and wife. This corresponds to the time when Jesus returns to earth accompanied by an army "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" (Rev 19:14).



What They Didn't Teach You in History Class
Many groups try to discredit the pre-trib rapture by saying most of the end-time events in the Bible have already taken place. A group of people called preterists claims that the Book of Revelation was mostly fulfilled by 70 AD. If the events described in the Book of Revelation took place in the past, I'm at a loss to explain some of the current situations I see around us: the rebirth of Israel, the reunification of Europe, the number of global wars that have occurred, and the development of nuclear weapons. During history class, I must have slept through the part where the teacher talked about the time when a third of the trees were burned up, 100-pound hailstones fell from the sky, and the sea turned into blood (Rev 8:7-8, 16:21). I think several people would have to question their opposition to the pre-trib rapture doctrine if they knew that the evidence provided to them was based on the understanding that most tribulation prophecies have already occurred.



The People of the Millennium
If Christ were to come back after the tribulation, rapture all the saints, and slay all the ungodly, who would be left to populate the earth during the millennium? Only the pre-trib viewpoint can account for this post-trib problem. The Church is raptured before the tribulation, a vast number of souls are saved during this seven-year time frame, and those who make it through the tribulation go into the millennium while the unsaved are cast into hell.



The Saint U-Turn
In the pre-trib scenario, after we rise to meet the Lord in the air, we will go to heaven and abide there seven years. At the end of that period, Christ will come down to earth, defeat the Antichrist, and cleanse the temple. In a post-trib rapture, we would rise in the air to meet the Lord, then do a 180-degree U-turn and come back down to earth. Revelation 1:7 states that Christ will appear out of the clouds and come down to earth. Zechariah 14:4 says that His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. If He's already headed our way, why would we need to be caught up to meet Him?



"Come Up Hither"
Many pre-trib writers cite Revelation 4:1, which says, "come up hither," as a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church, leaving Revelation chapters 1 through 3 as a description of the Church Age. After the shout to "come up hither," the Church is not mentioned in Scripture at all. The attention of Scripture switches from the Church to the Jews living in Israel.

Armies in Fine Linen
When Jesus returns (Rev. 19:18), an army follows Him. The army's members are riding on white horses, and they are clothed in fine linen that is white and clean. In Revelation 19:8, we are told that the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. If the saints of God are returning with Christ to wage war on the Antichrist, then it is not possible to have a post-trib rapture without us running into ourselves as we are coming and going.
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The Time of Jacob's Trouble
In several passages, the Bible refers to the tribulation as a time of trouble for the Jews. The phrase "Jacob's trouble" pertains to the descendants of Jacob. Jeremiah 30:7 says that this time of trouble will come just before the Lord returns to save His people. The final week of Daniel's 70th week is yet to take place. An angel told Daniel that, "70 weeks are determined unto thy people" (Dan 9:24). Scripture never mentions that the tribulation is meant to be a time of testing for Christians. However, some post-tribbers try to claim that they are the ones being tested during the tribulation. To make this so, they need to spiritualize the 144,000 Jewish believers in Revelation 7:2-8 who receive God's protective seal. Placing the Church dispensation into the same time frame as the seven-year Jewish dispensation, as the post-tribbers do, raises one good question: Can two dispensations transpire at the same time? In the past, God has only dealt with one at a time. Having both present during the tribulation would have to be an exception.



"He" That is Taken Out of the Way
Before the Antichrist can be revealed, Paul said a certain "He" must be taken out of the way. According to 2 Thessalonians 2:7, the "He" that must be removed is widely thought to be the Holy Spirit. It has been promised that the Holy Spirit would never leave the Church, and without the working of the Holy Spirit remaining on earth, no one could be saved during the tribulation. The removal of the Church, which is indwelt by the Holy Ghost, would seem the best explanation for this dilemma. The working of the Holy Spirit could go on during the tribulation, but His influence would be diminished because of the missing Church.



War or Rapture
(Rev 19:19-21) When Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, He will be coming for battle. For those who believe in a post-trib rapture, it would be strange to meet your Lord and Savior just as He's rushing into battle. The idea that war and rapture could occur together is difficult to imagine, especially since they transpire at the same moment.



The Five Foolish Virgins
The wedding story that Jesus gave in Matthew 25:2-13, I believe, is a parable of the rapture of the Church. It explains how some will not be ready. Jesus clearly states that a group of people will miss out on an event, and will cry out to God to let them into the place where He resides, heaven. Although some try to put this parable in a post-trib context, it doesn't fit very well. The ones left behind in a post-trib rapture will not need to seek the Lord because they'll immediately be confronted by Him and His army of angels.



God Hath Not Appointed Us to Wrath
In 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul assures us that God has not appointed His people to wrath. This wrath is plainly God's anger that will be poured out during the tribulation. Pre-trib believers interpret this as meaning that Christians will be removed from the earth. Post-trib believers tell a different story. They describe this as meaning that God will protect Christians during the tribulation and pour this wrath out on the unbelievers only. This idea runs against the statement made in Revelation 13:7, in which the Antichrist is given power to make war with the saints and to overcome them. A post-trib view would make God's promise of protection from wrath into a lie. In years past, it was possible to think of being protected from the guns and swords of that day. Today, when any major war would involve nuclear and chemical weapons, it's impossible to expect that same kind of protection. When Nagasaki, Japan was bombed during World War II, the bomb exploded over a Catholic church. Everyone who was in the center of the explosion died--both Christians and non-Christians. The only way to validly interpret God's promise of protection from wrath is by viewing 1 Thessalonians 5:9 as the bodily removal of the Church from this world.



The Salt of the Earth
Jesus said, "Ye are the salt of the earth" (Matthew 5:13). When the believers are supenly removed, the earth will be plunged into spiritual darkness. When this happens, the Antichrist will then be free to control the world.



God Takes an Inventory
In Revelation 7:3, an angel descends to earth and seals the servants of God. Two bits of information about this sealing highly disclaim a post-trib viewpoint. The first item is the number of people sealed: 144,000. The second one is that all those who are sealed are from the 12 tribes of Israel. For the events in Revelation 7:3-8 to be true in a post-trib interpretation, either the Church has turned against God or God has turned against the Church. A post-tribber could write a thousand-word commentary about why the Church doesn't need to be sealed. Instead of trying to argue about why the Church is not mentioned or sealed, a pre-trib proponent could just say, "We're already in heaven."



Noah and Lot as Examples
The tribulation period is compared to the times of Noah and Lot by Jesus in Luke 17:28. Most people argue over whether the time frame Jesus was talking about in that passage was pre-trib or post-trib. In doing so, they miss an important point. The two circumstances that the Noah and Lot situations have in common are the removal of the righteous and the judgment of the unbelievers. From these two accounts, we see that God prefers to remove His own when danger is involved.

Common-Sense Reasons for Believing in the Pretribulation Rapture

The World Test
One way to check the soundness of a doctrine is to see how the world reacts to it. One company put out a questionnaire that was used to screen prospective employees. One of the questions was, "Do you believe in the rapture?" If you answered "yes," your chances of getting hired would not be good. Some internet sites do not allow the topics of Rapture or Second Coming. They do allow topics such as sex, gays, and drugs. The only time the news media mentions the rapture is when someone sets a date and is proven to be wrong.



That Old-Time Religion
It used to be a rule of thumb that when one was visiting a church or listening to a preacher, one could assume the preacher believed in repentance, prayer, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost if he taught the rapture doctrine. It was also true that the churches on fire for God worshipped out of storefronts. Today, many of those storefront churches have moved into marble palaces and have strayed from their principal doctrines.



Birds of a Feather Flock Together
Whenever I look at all the groups that teach false doctrine and are highly focused on end-time events, I cannot find any that support the rapture theory. Some organizations, the Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, teach a false gospel and are heavily into Bible prophecy. Why, then, don't Jehovah's Witnesses teach a false doctrine that would be right up their alley? Could it be that the demonic forces that influence these groups know something that Christians opposed to the rapture don't know? The list of prophetically minded cults that reject the idea of a rapture goes on and on. Here are some more: the Mormons, the Worldwide Church of God and the Moonies, as well as leaders like Jim Jones and David Koresh.



The Church Would Rebuke the Antichrist
If the Antichrist came to power with the Church still here, I do not see how he could operate. When Hitler was fighting to take over England, a number of Christians were praying for victory. Hitler made mistake after mistake, and England outperformed its enemy at every stage of the conflict. It is difficult to measure the impact of intercessory prayer in physical warfare. Little is known of how great a role praying saints played in the defeat of Nazi Germany. If the Church were to reside on earth during the tribulation, I am sure she would give the Antichrist fits. In Revelation 11:3, the two witnesses alone give the Antichrist enough headaches. Millions of Christians who know their Bibles well would recognize the man of sin and pray fire down on his head. The post-trib view would have to plan on the Church just rolling over and playing dead the whole seven years.


We should all remember one thing: Knowing the Antichrist's mother's maiden name isn't the primary goal. Knowing Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and having your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life should be your number-one priority. The jailer asked Paul, "What must I do to be saved?" The answer was, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:30-31).
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once again the whole thread breaks down into a christian bickerfest.

personally, i hope it happens soon, in a way that will satisfy each and every one of your separate dogmas.

i look forward to the day you are all gone- i think there is much good that can be done- here on earth-after so many who are desperately unhappy here have gone to their own glory.

it may sound strange

go with godhf
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How very christian of you to wish people dead. Tell me, given so many people are supposedly "religious" in the USA, do people generally still believe in voodoo and witchcraft and any old mumbo jumbo, these days?
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WE"RE BE GOING HOME SOON!!!



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because you say so?

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If God accepts that we do Christmass then will He accept me going out tomorrow and robbing a bank....so long as I'm doing it for God of course.
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How long have you people been waiting, 2000 years? laugh
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Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. II Peter 3:3-4
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Yeah quote the bible, it's a reliable source. lmao.
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
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WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
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clappa
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The Tribulation is not GOD's wrath! The Tribulation is Satans wrath against GOD'S creation! GOD's wrath happens after the 1000 year reign! The only part of the tribulation of GOD's wrath on anythings is against those who take the mark of the beast and wrath will come apond them! GOD seals his followers to be protected against the wrath HE carrys out against the followers of the anti-christ.
You sir/maam are going nowhere anymore than the early christians 2000 years ago that were tortured and murdered by being thrown to the lions as the Romans did!
GOD's tests HIS followers giving them the strength to go through such horrors without falling from their faith!

Also, the WORD OF GOD as you put it does not back your claim up of escaping the turmoil coming unless you think GOD is not able to protect HIS own through such? You have weak faith! I doubt you will last when the pressure is applied enough because all you prepared your heart and mind for is escapism! The Apostles of Jesus "The Christ" went through pure hell and torture and murder. Do you think you can stand through that kind of pressure? To me I doubt you can because your mentality is all about escaping when it gets a little too tough for you! GOD has a word for weak Christians who always wanting to escape when times get tough! Basically you are luke warm!
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ANONYMOUS ENDGAME
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3915245


WRONG!!!... "YOU" may be staying and going through the Tribulation... BUT I STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD& his WORD TELLS ME THAT WE( those who born again ) THAT WE " ARE NOT" appointed unto wrath!!!!. I believe Gods children will have to go through some things....but NOT the tribulation period!! READ YOUR BIBLE AND ASK JESUS TO GIVE YOU WISDOM AND A DISCERNING SPIRIT WHEN READING THE WORD…
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


clappa
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The Tribulation is not GOD's wrath! The Tribulation is Satans wrath against GOD'S creation! GOD's wrath happens after the 1000 year reign! The only part of the tribulation of GOD's wrath on anythings is against those who take the mark of the beast and wrath will come apond them! GOD seals his followers to be protected against the wrath HE carrys out against the followers of the anti-christ.
You sir/maam are going nowhere anymore than the early christians 2000 years ago that were tortured and murdered by being thrown to the lions as the Romans did!
GOD's tests HIS followers giving them the strength to go through such horrors without falling from their faith!

Also, the WORD OF GOD as you put it does not back your claim up of escaping the turmoil coming unless you think GOD is not able to protect HIS own through such? You have weak faith! I doubt you will last when the pressure is applied enough because all you prepared your heart and mind for is escapism! The Apostles of Jesus "The Christ" went through pure hell and torture and murder. Do you think you can stand through that kind of pressure? To me I doubt you can because your mentality is all about escaping when it gets a little too tough for you! GOD has a word for weak Christians who always wanting to escape when times get tough! Basically you are luke warm!

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You go where you want and I will go where the Bible tells me I will... the Bridegroom is on His way... And I have no extra oil for your lamp
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I said nothing about having to adhere to Jewish law. All rituals were nailed to the cross with Christ. Explain to me just how you take your pagan holidays call them good and say you are doing them for God.
It does not matter what we think of them.
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Maybe because dates are simply dates,and people of different religions and walks of life often attach different meanings to the same days.

For instance Jews celebrate Hanukah,others celebrate Kwanza,and Christians celebrate Christmas all around the same times.So does enjoying Christmas activities during the duration of Hanukah mean I'm practising Judaism and a secret Jew?

Nope..so just because the satanist elites decide to do some of their devil worshipping on december 25th,doesn't mean that I am worshipping satan by having a Christmas bash on the same day.

Nor does Christians worshipping Jesus on the 7th gregorian calender day (sunday),mean that we are bowing down to the sun god.

Your logic is flawed...
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But who gave us Christmass?
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We have already established that December 25th was originally a pagan holiday.
And yes the NWO has purposely chosen that day as the birth of Jesus,because it is an inside joke for them because they worship the devil.

And yet I still don't see how that is remotely relevant since intention is what truly matters.Do you know any Christians that say they want to worship satan on Christmas?
Of course not..true Christians merely celebrate Christs birth that day fully knowing that we really have no idea what day or month he was actually born.

It is a mere date..a holiday set aside for that purpose.If the elites chose to worship the devil on that day thats their business.Christians do not..and so this argument just seems redundant.
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Lord, yes we went out and spent thousands on ourselves and got upset because we didn't get something in return of equal value.
Sure wish now I would have taken that money and given it to my ill shut in neighbor.

You did not answer the question. It is upsetting that you think it is a "sick joke" brought on by the NWO.
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How long have you people been waiting, 2000 years? laugh
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Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. II Peter 3:3-4
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Yeah quote the bible, it's a reliable source. lmao.
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I guess we'll just have to wait and see... good luck
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Pretrib teaching is a lie.

Christians will experience the tribulation. Most will die.

But no one knows when that will be. The only prophets are all false prophets. There is no more prophet. We have the Bible so there is no need for a prophet. Just posers who pretend to know when Jesus is coming.
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The time for debate over WHEN he comes is over. Do whatever. If you consider your own wisdom over what the Word says, and if this is wrong then who will be the on surprised when He comes back to remove His true church? Do you think He will come for those who mocked those who held to the Hope spoken of? The thing John wrote and said "therefore comfort one another with these words"? What do you think he was speaking of? Comfort one another that despite your faith you are going to be killed and murdered, starved and slaughtered like the swine of this world? Doesn't make sense. You have a scriptural problem you can't resolve. therefore, you have already chosen.

Focus your energy on the lost. Not putting yourselves over your Christian brothers and sisters about what your understanding is and what your "infinite" wisdom says is a lie. You have chosen your side just like everyone has now hush and see. stop flapping your lips and arrogance. You are only condemning yourself.
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haha xtards never get tired .. you keep saying he's coming every single fkn day on this site.. putin
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Jesus! Jesus!
He's our Tool!
The more we yell,
The more we RULE!!!

Now let's all hold our breath until he comes! NO CHEATING!!!
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Who are you calling a tool, you jerk.
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Thread: BREAKING! JESUS=ALLAH=YAHWEH=RED QUEEN MARY=MEDUSA=GALACTIC PARASITES LOVES YOU A LOT!!!... CAUSE YOU TASTE SO GOOD STUPID YUMMY SHEEPLE!!!!
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Enjoy your new home sheeple!(or shoud i say meat!)
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And for you God haters and God mockers behaving exactly as foretold. Why do you strive so hard to prove what you say you believe is already true? (That God is not real) And the aliens and light being will save you? Let it be then! Stop worrying about us crazy Christians if your faith in monkey's is so well "researched" from the little world of your laptop.

Hush up. You already chose your future tears.

Keep your faith in the deception of ANYTHING BUT the bible because your pride keeps you from the thought that you MIGHT have to actually give up on it being about YOU. That's what you are really scared of God hater. That you might have to follow the simple 10 commandments.

It's funny the god-haters work so hard to make fun of the people in these videos. Do they look like the hateful one's with bombs strapped to their bodies going to crowded markets? Ask why you don't focus your energy and mocking on them? ah you can't because the enemy of your enemy is your friend...wake up.
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How long have you people been waiting, 2000 years? laugh
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No, Jesus died 1980 years ago.

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