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Manned Mission to Mars Bumped to 2018!!!!

 
Dr. Charles Norris (OP)

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friend told me about it yesterday, he did apply
but a bit sad that it will get one way ticket only lol

on a serious side,couldn't find who's gonna build the rockets?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15435328


according to the article, this 2018 mission is coming home afterwards....

the 2023 mission is a one way trip (to the Bespin Mining Facility) to habitat Mars....
alien03
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


there's still no word about the rocket?!
Russians with euro ESA working on plans to send humans and already made a huge step with flight simulation last year

how these guys are going to accomplish such mission is beyond common sens
they even say - ' There’s no word yet on where the money will come from, or how the potential space traveler(s) would survive the journey.'

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15435328


as of last year there are 9 private companies who are going to space in the next 10 years...

[link to mashable.com]

this company builds rockets for space travel...
[link to www.spacex.com]

but there are literally TONS of private space exploration companies who are currently working on rockets....
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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No private company will ever be allowed to compete in a serious way with NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


you literally don't have a clue what you are talking about...

NASA's manned Space Exploration was brought to a dead halt when Obama shut it down in 2011 because of "budget problems"...
[link to www.space.com]

Now there are multiple private contractors planning manned space missions!
[link to www.space.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


You're the dingbat without a clue!

I double-damn guarantee you that NO private enterprise space missions will EVER get to the Moon, let alone Mars!

cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


you realize that what you keep saying is completely wrong, right?

[link to www.spaceadventures.com]

[link to www.space.com]

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

but, keep on telling your lies to everyone.... maybe you'll get someone to believe them one day....

another do
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


No, I'm not wrong.

Let's see ...
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Re: Manned Mission to Mars Bumped to 2018!!!!
friend told me about it yesterday, he did apply
but a bit sad that it will get one way ticket only lol

on a serious side,couldn't find who's gonna build the rockets?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15435328


according to the article, this 2018 mission is coming home afterwards....

the 2023 mission is a one way trip (to the Bespin Mining Facility) to habitat Mars....
alien03
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


there's still no word about the rocket?!
Russians with euro ESA working on plans to send humans and already made a huge step with flight simulation last year

how these guys are going to accomplish such mission is beyond common sens
they even say - ' There’s no word yet on where the money will come from, or how the potential space traveler(s) would survive the journey.'

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15435328


as of last year there are 9 private companies who are going to space in the next 10 years...

[link to mashable.com]

this company builds rockets for space travel...
[link to www.spacex.com]

but there are literally TONS of private space exploration companies who are currently working on rockets....
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


cruise @ "next 10 years"

It will always be "the next 10 years".

1rof1
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Re: Manned Mission to Mars Bumped to 2018!!!!
Get real, there's never going to be a manned mission to Mars.

Just like there's not going to be another one on the Moon (assuming it actually happened the first time, which most likely didnt).

No life will be able to leave Earth, its not going to happen. The radiation is way too strong and there are no tools, items, or technology that can withstand that radiation with lifeforms onboard.

If there was, it'd be used to clean up nuclear messes and disasters here on Earth instead of peoples limbs falling off cleaning up the mess.
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No private company will ever be allowed to compete in a serious way with NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


With all due respect NASA pays private efforts even to create space elevators which is an idea inspired by Arthur Clark who borrowed it from Russians in first place:

And I'd like to humbly remind you the astronaut who was supposed to be one of the first men on the moon said NASA needed at least 10 years to go to the moon rather than 2. Hence his statement when not even communications were working was the put a lemon in Apollo (reference to awful Citröen 2CV). Not only he and his buddies were burnt alive but also died Brian Welch, NASA spokeman after asking them to provide evidence to the trip to the moon. Of course some uninformed people would swallow the idea of people dying of heart attack at the "right" moment (like captain Ron Evans from Apollo 17 when he was 57)just like Russian astronauts dissapearing from photo. Just a week after the safety overseer of Apollo 1 construction, Thomas Ronald Baron, did a 500-pages report about the impossibility of the flight to the moon (which vanished like those Apollo original tapes) the man dies in a car 'accident'.... do you remember the car accident in the film about Mars hoax, Capricorn One, and the threat to astronauts lives and families???? Astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 was gonna testify the truth during the Apollo's 30's anniversary and dies a week later.

Do you understand now why astronaut Armstrong was reluctant to make speeches and when he was old enough and sick of everything (probaly the Apollo 11 Hollywood stars because they became the most important actors of the world) said their flight was like the one of PARROTS (bad flight and repeat everything they hear)....

Now they talk about perils of radiation but most people in the world ignore and swallow about VAN ALLEN belt. In Chernobyl, Russia, the atomic radiation which STILL affects people and mutate them... when there was the evacuation was about 6 millisievert (mSv) per hour while Van Allen is calculated 600 mSv per hour. That mSv is higher dosage than roentgen=1 rad. That WITHOUT MENTIONING solar winds and solar activity was top from 1969 to 1972 (during Apollo 11 there were 65 sunspots per day or 585 in 9 days)and those meteorides in the moon without atmosphere which travel to 80.462 km per hour or 10 times faster than a bullet while stupid astronauts are playing soccer with the rocks on video recordings. Of course, of course, the simple solution of the problem -they say- is Apollo XI didn't pass through SAMA magnetic anomaly in Atlantic South but the intense parts of Van Allen in a 'short' exposition...

In 1998 when the bus shuttle flew to one of its top 'altitudes', 350 miles, hundreds of kilometers BELOW the beginning of Van Allen radiation, the astronauts were able to see radiation passing through the "protection" because it was already DAMAGING their retinas even with closed eyes.

Sure they will go to Mars!!!!
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you literally don't have a clue what you are talking about...

NASA's manned Space Exploration was brought to a dead halt when Obama shut it down in 2011 because of "budget problems"...
[link to www.space.com]

Now there are multiple private contractors planning manned space missions!
[link to www.space.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


You're the dingbat without a clue!

I double-damn guarantee you that NO private enterprise space missions will EVER get to the Moon, let alone Mars!

cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


you realize that what you keep saying is completely wrong, right?

[link to www.spaceadventures.com]

[link to www.space.com]

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

but, keep on telling your lies to everyone.... maybe you'll get someone to believe them one day....

another do
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


No, I'm not wrong.

Let's see ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


I have supplied you with 5 credible sources which all say you are wrong....

all you have is your word.... which everyone can tell is a lie based on opinion...

hook us up with a link to where you get your information....
Dr. Charles Norris (OP)

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No private company will ever be allowed to compete in a serious way with NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


With all due respect NASA pays private efforts even to create space elevators which is an idea inspired by Arthur Clark who borrowed it from Russians in first place:

And I'd like to humbly remind you the astronaut who was supposed to be one of the first men on the moon said NASA needed at least 10 years to go to the moon rather than 2. Hence his statement when not even communications were working was the put a lemon in Apollo (reference to awful Citröen 2CV). Not only he and his buddies were burnt alive but also died Brian Welch, NASA spokeman after asking them to provide evidence to the trip to the moon. Of course some uninformed people would swallow the idea of people dying of heart attack at the "right" moment (like captain Ron Evans from Apollo 17 when he was 57)just like Russian astronauts dissapearing from photo. Just a week after the safety overseer of Apollo 1 construction, Thomas Ronald Baron, did a 500-pages report about the impossibility of the flight to the moon (which vanished like those Apollo original tapes) the man dies in a car 'accident'.... do you remember the car accident in the film about Mars hoax, Capricorn One, and the threat to astronauts lives and families???? Astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 was gonna testify the truth during the Apollo's 30's anniversary and dies a week later.

Do you understand now why astronaut Armstrong was reluctant to make speeches and when he was old enough and sick of everything (probaly the Apollo 11 Hollywood stars because they became the most important actors of the world) said their flight was like the one of PARROTS (bad flight and repeat everything they hear)....

Now they talk about perils of radiation but most people in the world ignore and swallow about VAN ALLEN belt. In Chernobyl, Russia, the atomic radiation which STILL affects people and mutate them... when there was the evacuation was about 6 millisievert (mSv) per hour while Van Allen is calculated 600 mSv per hour. That mSv is higher dosage than roentgen=1 rad. That WITHOUT MENTIONING solar winds and solar activity was top from 1969 to 1972 (during Apollo 11 there were 65 sunspots per day or 585 in 9 days)and those meteorides in the moon without atmosphere which travel to 80.462 km per hour or 10 times faster than a bullet while stupid astronauts are playing soccer with the rocks on video recordings. Of course, of course, the simple solution of the problem -they say- is Apollo XI didn't pass through SAMA magnetic anomaly in Atlantic South but the intense parts of Van Allen in a 'short' exposition...

In 1998 when the bus shuttle flew to one of its top 'altitudes', 350 miles, hundreds of kilometers BELOW the beginning of Van Allen radiation, the astronauts were able to see radiation passing through the "protection" because it was already DAMAGING their retinas even with closed eyes.

Sure they will go to Mars!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34899519


THIS!
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You're the dingbat without a clue!

I double-damn guarantee you that NO private enterprise space missions will EVER get to the Moon, let alone Mars!

cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


you realize that what you keep saying is completely wrong, right?

[link to www.spaceadventures.com]

[link to www.space.com]

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

but, keep on telling your lies to everyone.... maybe you'll get someone to believe them one day....

another do
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


No, I'm not wrong.

Let's see ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


I have supplied you with 5 credible sources which all say you are wrong....

all you have is your word.... which everyone can tell is a lie based on opinion...

hook us up with a link to where you get your information....
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


I don't care about your links.

Private companies are, of course, going to big themselves up, like the Second Coming.

Let's revisit this thread 10 years from now, and see who was right/wrong.
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No private company will ever be allowed to compete in a serious way with NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


With all due respect NASA pays private efforts even to create space elevators which is an idea inspired by Arthur Clark who borrowed it from Russians in first place:

And I'd like to humbly remind you the astronaut who was supposed to be one of the first men on the moon said NASA needed at least 10 years to go to the moon rather than 2. Hence his statement when not even communications were working was the put a lemon in Apollo (reference to awful Citröen 2CV). Not only he and his buddies were burnt alive but also died Brian Welch, NASA spokeman after asking them to provide evidence to the trip to the moon. Of course some uninformed people would swallow the idea of people dying of heart attack at the "right" moment (like captain Ron Evans from Apollo 17 when he was 57)just like Russian astronauts dissapearing from photo. Just a week after the safety overseer of Apollo 1 construction, Thomas Ronald Baron, did a 500-pages report about the impossibility of the flight to the moon (which vanished like those Apollo original tapes) the man dies in a car 'accident'.... do you remember the car accident in the film about Mars hoax, Capricorn One, and the threat to astronauts lives and families???? Astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 was gonna testify the truth during the Apollo's 30's anniversary and dies a week later.

Do you understand now why astronaut Armstrong was reluctant to make speeches and when he was old enough and sick of everything (probaly the Apollo 11 Hollywood stars because they became the most important actors of the world) said their flight was like the one of PARROTS (bad flight and repeat everything they hear)....

Now they talk about perils of radiation but most people in the world ignore and swallow about VAN ALLEN belt. In Chernobyl, Russia, the atomic radiation which STILL affects people and mutate them... when there was the evacuation was about 6 millisievert (mSv) per hour while Van Allen is calculated 600 mSv per hour. That mSv is higher dosage than roentgen=1 rad. That WITHOUT MENTIONING solar winds and solar activity was top from 1969 to 1972 (during Apollo 11 there were 65 sunspots per day or 585 in 9 days)and those meteorides in the moon without atmosphere which travel to 80.462 km per hour or 10 times faster than a bullet while stupid astronauts are playing soccer with the rocks on video recordings. Of course, of course, the simple solution of the problem -they say- is Apollo XI didn't pass through SAMA magnetic anomaly in Atlantic South but the intense parts of Van Allen in a 'short' exposition...

In 1998 when the bus shuttle flew to one of its top 'altitudes', 350 miles, hundreds of kilometers BELOW the beginning of Van Allen radiation, the astronauts were able to see radiation passing through the "protection" because it was already DAMAGING their retinas even with closed eyes.

Sure they will go to Mars!!!!
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My suggestion for the ship:
[link to motherboard.vice.com]
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No private company will ever be allowed to compete in a serious way with NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


With all due respect NASA pays private efforts even to create space elevators which is an idea inspired by Arthur Clark who borrowed it from Russians in first place:

And I'd like to humbly remind you the astronaut who was supposed to be one of the first men on the moon said NASA needed at least 10 years to go to the moon rather than 2. Hence his statement when not even communications were working was the put a lemon in Apollo (reference to awful Citröen 2CV). Not only he and his buddies were burnt alive but also died Brian Welch, NASA spokeman after asking them to provide evidence to the trip to the moon. Of course some uninformed people would swallow the idea of people dying of heart attack at the "right" moment (like captain Ron Evans from Apollo 17 when he was 57)just like Russian astronauts dissapearing from photo. Just a week after the safety overseer of Apollo 1 construction, Thomas Ronald Baron, did a 500-pages report about the impossibility of the flight to the moon (which vanished like those Apollo original tapes) the man dies in a car 'accident'.... do you remember the car accident in the film about Mars hoax, Capricorn One, and the threat to astronauts lives and families???? Astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 was gonna testify the truth during the Apollo's 30's anniversary and dies a week later.

Do you understand now why astronaut Armstrong was reluctant to make speeches and when he was old enough and sick of everything (probaly the Apollo 11 Hollywood stars because they became the most important actors of the world) said their flight was like the one of PARROTS (bad flight and repeat everything they hear)....

Now they talk about perils of radiation but most people in the world ignore and swallow about VAN ALLEN belt. In Chernobyl, Russia, the atomic radiation which STILL affects people and mutate them... when there was the evacuation was about 6 millisievert (mSv) per hour while Van Allen is calculated 600 mSv per hour. That mSv is higher dosage than roentgen=1 rad. That WITHOUT MENTIONING solar winds and solar activity was top from 1969 to 1972 (during Apollo 11 there were 65 sunspots per day or 585 in 9 days)and those meteorides in the moon without atmosphere which travel to 80.462 km per hour or 10 times faster than a bullet while stupid astronauts are playing soccer with the rocks on video recordings. Of course, of course, the simple solution of the problem -they say- is Apollo XI didn't pass through SAMA magnetic anomaly in Atlantic South but the intense parts of Van Allen in a 'short' exposition...

In 1998 when the bus shuttle flew to one of its top 'altitudes', 350 miles, hundreds of kilometers BELOW the beginning of Van Allen radiation, the astronauts were able to see radiation passing through the "protection" because it was already DAMAGING their retinas even with closed eyes.

Sure they will go to Mars!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34899519


THIS!
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


You seem to be totally discombobulated here, my friend.

That poster was essentially saying that no human being can go into free space, and certainly not through the Van Allen Belts, without suffering a fatal dose of ionizing radiation.
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you realize that what you keep saying is completely wrong, right?

[link to www.spaceadventures.com]

[link to www.space.com]

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

but, keep on telling your lies to everyone.... maybe you'll get someone to believe them one day....

another do
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


No, I'm not wrong.

Let's see ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


I have supplied you with 5 credible sources which all say you are wrong....

all you have is your word.... which everyone can tell is a lie based on opinion...

hook us up with a link to where you get your information....
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


I don't care about your links.

Private companies are, of course, going to big themselves up, like the Second Coming.

Let's revisit this thread 10 years from now, and see who was right/wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


of course you dont care about credible sources that prove your ignorance...

and of course you dont have any factual sources...

your opinion is welcome here....but dont act like it's factual information ....

People have been going on "space vacations" for a few years now.... it just cost butt loads of cash!
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My suggestion for the ship:
[link to motherboard.vice.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34899519


clappa
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no human being can go into free space, and certainly not through the Van Allen Belts, without suffering a fatal dose of ionizing radiation.
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cool story, Hansel

pick
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My suggestion for the ship:
[link to motherboard.vice.com]
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clappa
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I don't get it
you applaud to this
but still believe those rich 'amateurs ' will get there in 5 years?
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No private company will ever be allowed to compete in a serious way with NASA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


With all due respect NASA pays private efforts even to create space elevators which is an idea inspired by Arthur Clark who borrowed it from Russians in first place:

And I'd like to humbly remind you the astronaut who was supposed to be one of the first men on the moon said NASA needed at least 10 years to go to the moon rather than 2. Hence his statement when not even communications were working was the put a lemon in Apollo (reference to awful Citröen 2CV). Not only he and his buddies were burnt alive but also died Brian Welch, NASA spokeman after asking them to provide evidence to the trip to the moon. Of course some uninformed people would swallow the idea of people dying of heart attack at the "right" moment (like captain Ron Evans from Apollo 17 when he was 57)just like Russian astronauts dissapearing from photo. Just a week after the safety overseer of Apollo 1 construction, Thomas Ronald Baron, did a 500-pages report about the impossibility of the flight to the moon (which vanished like those Apollo original tapes) the man dies in a car 'accident'.... do you remember the car accident in the film about Mars hoax, Capricorn One, and the threat to astronauts lives and families???? Astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 was gonna testify the truth during the Apollo's 30's anniversary and dies a week later.

Do you understand now why astronaut Armstrong was reluctant to make speeches and when he was old enough and sick of everything (probaly the Apollo 11 Hollywood stars because they became the most important actors of the world) said their flight was like the one of PARROTS (bad flight and repeat everything they hear)....

Now they talk about perils of radiation but most people in the world ignore and swallow about VAN ALLEN belt. In Chernobyl, Russia, the atomic radiation which STILL affects people and mutate them... when there was the evacuation was about 6 millisievert (mSv) per hour while Van Allen is calculated 600 mSv per hour. That mSv is higher dosage than roentgen=1 rad. That WITHOUT MENTIONING solar winds and solar activity was top from 1969 to 1972 (during Apollo 11 there were 65 sunspots per day or 585 in 9 days)and those meteorides in the moon without atmosphere which travel to 80.462 km per hour or 10 times faster than a bullet while stupid astronauts are playing soccer with the rocks on video recordings. Of course, of course, the simple solution of the problem -they say- is Apollo XI didn't pass through SAMA magnetic anomaly in Atlantic South but the intense parts of Van Allen in a 'short' exposition...

In 1998 when the bus shuttle flew to one of its top 'altitudes', 350 miles, hundreds of kilometers BELOW the beginning of Van Allen radiation, the astronauts were able to see radiation passing through the "protection" because it was already DAMAGING their retinas even with closed eyes.

Sure they will go to Mars!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34899519


THIS!
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


You seem to be totally discombobulated here, my friend.

That poster was essentially saying that no human being can go into free space, and certainly not through the Van Allen Belts, without suffering a fatal dose of ionizing radiation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


I'm the poster and I am talking about radiation which I'm well aware and not just passing through Van Allen:
[link to srag-nt.jsc.nasa.gov]
Even Russians though they needed a "suit" 1.20 meters thick made of lead but you perhaps believe the astronauts were really capable of bearing that on the moon. NASA wants you to believe their protection was with 1/8 inch (33mm or 0.3 cm) of aluminum protection even considering when YOU GO TO THE DENTIST to take a simple X rays shot which lasts about 1/100 fraction of a second we wear a shield of 1/4 inch (6mm or 0.6 cm) of lead...
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No, I'm not wrong.

Let's see ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


I have supplied you with 5 credible sources which all say you are wrong....

all you have is your word.... which everyone can tell is a lie based on opinion...

hook us up with a link to where you get your information....
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


I don't care about your links.

Private companies are, of course, going to big themselves up, like the Second Coming.

Let's revisit this thread 10 years from now, and see who was right/wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


of course you dont care about credible sources that prove your ignorance...

and of course you dont have any factual sources...

your opinion is welcome here....but dont act like it's factual information ....

People have been going on "space vacations" for a few years now.... it just cost butt loads of cash!
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


The "private companies" doing this just want to get a handle on loads of taxpayer cash.

They'll get subsidized, do some "feasibility studies", make a few mock-ups, then go into liquidation, after paying-off the pricipals with said taxpayer cash.

You know I'm right.
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With all due respect NASA pays private efforts even to create space elevators which is an idea inspired by Arthur Clark who borrowed it from Russians in first place:

And I'd like to humbly remind you the astronaut who was supposed to be one of the first men on the moon said NASA needed at least 10 years to go to the moon rather than 2. Hence his statement when not even communications were working was the put a lemon in Apollo (reference to awful Citröen 2CV). Not only he and his buddies were burnt alive but also died Brian Welch, NASA spokeman after asking them to provide evidence to the trip to the moon. Of course some uninformed people would swallow the idea of people dying of heart attack at the "right" moment (like captain Ron Evans from Apollo 17 when he was 57)just like Russian astronauts dissapearing from photo. Just a week after the safety overseer of Apollo 1 construction, Thomas Ronald Baron, did a 500-pages report about the impossibility of the flight to the moon (which vanished like those Apollo original tapes) the man dies in a car 'accident'.... do you remember the car accident in the film about Mars hoax, Capricorn One, and the threat to astronauts lives and families???? Astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 was gonna testify the truth during the Apollo's 30's anniversary and dies a week later.

Do you understand now why astronaut Armstrong was reluctant to make speeches and when he was old enough and sick of everything (probaly the Apollo 11 Hollywood stars because they became the most important actors of the world) said their flight was like the one of PARROTS (bad flight and repeat everything they hear)....

Now they talk about perils of radiation but most people in the world ignore and swallow about VAN ALLEN belt. In Chernobyl, Russia, the atomic radiation which STILL affects people and mutate them... when there was the evacuation was about 6 millisievert (mSv) per hour while Van Allen is calculated 600 mSv per hour. That mSv is higher dosage than roentgen=1 rad. That WITHOUT MENTIONING solar winds and solar activity was top from 1969 to 1972 (during Apollo 11 there were 65 sunspots per day or 585 in 9 days)and those meteorides in the moon without atmosphere which travel to 80.462 km per hour or 10 times faster than a bullet while stupid astronauts are playing soccer with the rocks on video recordings. Of course, of course, the simple solution of the problem -they say- is Apollo XI didn't pass through SAMA magnetic anomaly in Atlantic South but the intense parts of Van Allen in a 'short' exposition...

In 1998 when the bus shuttle flew to one of its top 'altitudes', 350 miles, hundreds of kilometers BELOW the beginning of Van Allen radiation, the astronauts were able to see radiation passing through the "protection" because it was already DAMAGING their retinas even with closed eyes.

Sure they will go to Mars!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34899519


THIS!
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


You seem to be totally discombobulated here, my friend.

That poster was essentially saying that no human being can go into free space, and certainly not through the Van Allen Belts, without suffering a fatal dose of ionizing radiation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29377269


I'm the poster and I am talking about radiation which I'm well aware and not just passing through Van Allen:
[link to srag-nt.jsc.nasa.gov]
Even Russians though they needed a "suit" 1.20 meters thick made of lead but you perhaps believe the astronauts were really capable of bearing that on the moon. NASA wants you to believe their protection was with 1/8 inch (33mm or 0.3 cm) of aluminum protection even considering when YOU GO TO THE DENTIST to take a simple X rays shot which lasts about 1/100 fraction of a second we wear a shield of 1/4 inch (6mm or 0.6 cm) of lead...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34899519


I always thought that the Russians recommended 4 metres of lead!
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NOW the scientists say we need shields made of polietilen, lead, iron and CONCRETE but these suckers believe the aluminum lie:
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
New data from 2005 proved Van Allen radiation and other sort of radiations (including killer electrons) cause serious damage for any astronaut.
Dr. Charles Norris (OP)

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My suggestion for the ship:
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clappa
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I don't get it
you applaud to this
but still believe those rich 'amateurs ' will get there in 5 years?
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I'm applauding the humor in the picture.......relax, man!
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THIS!
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You seem to be totally discombobulated here, my friend.

That poster was essentially saying that no human being can go into free space, and certainly not through the Van Allen Belts, without suffering a fatal dose of ionizing radiation.
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I'm the poster and I am talking about radiation which I'm well aware and not just passing through Van Allen:
[link to srag-nt.jsc.nasa.gov]
Even Russians though they needed a "suit" 1.20 meters thick made of lead but you perhaps believe the astronauts were really capable of bearing that on the moon. NASA wants you to believe their protection was with 1/8 inch (33mm or 0.3 cm) of aluminum protection even considering when YOU GO TO THE DENTIST to take a simple X rays shot which lasts about 1/100 fraction of a second we wear a shield of 1/4 inch (6mm or 0.6 cm) of lead...
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I always thought that the Russians recommended 4 metres of lead!
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lol

but I still think that Russians are not stupid when making preparations for Mars. Van Allen is def. the problem to stay on moon, but on Mars must be some protection due to its atmosphere, thin but could be enough for a month or two before assros die? lol

the only problem is how to get there, no?
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The ones who deny the damage talk about protons and electrons highly energized and not so much about electromagnetism, they say polietilene is better protectionthan lead and aluminum does have less atomic number which is better protection to dodge the Bremsstrahlung which is produced when electrons which are accelerated are BRAKED suddendly against a target. The name comes from German "bremsen=brake" and "strahlung=radiation", BUT when particularly electrons interact with the electric field of the nucleus with the same atomic number or with electosphere they reduce the cinetic energy, changing direction and emite the energy in the form of electromagnetic WAVES called braking X RAYS or bremsstruhlung. Even the X RAYS at the dentist office don't surpase 500 keV ...
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The "private companies" doing this just want to get a handle on loads of taxpayer cash.

They'll get subsidized, do some "feasibility studies", make a few mock-ups, then go into liquidation, after paying-off the pricipals with said taxpayer cash.

You know I'm right.
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the only thing you are.....is a troll

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the only problem is how to get there, no?
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[link to www.spacex.com]
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the only problem is how to get there, no?
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[link to www.spacex.com]
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that's cool pal
what I'm saying is how they will safely bring asstros to another planet with a bit of atmo. on a min. three months flight?

and back? back lol
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Let's face it we don't have enough data to know the truth. Even Apollo 11 astronauts at the very first interview they couldn't remember if they saw stars or not! I mean, it's not about digesting again the same old arguments about photographs but their own statements didn't make any sense and they were very tense. Looks like old Stanley Kubrick Orange Clock thing about altering the mind to make them suffer if they try to remember things.
So, those jumps we see in documentaries don't correspond to 1/6th gravity of the earth on the moon. Thus, even the myth busters just recreate the same thing we see in those films: a combo of wires and slow motion,period. Even the jeeps look like being driven in Dakkar dune sands!
So, we are not provided with enough information if they were really on the moon but later on, if they did travel with a technology which they can't say openly because knowledge is power and USA wouldn't share their secrets with anyone else or if they were aided by aliens. I believe it's been a hoax like all the others including wars with less American casualties or hiding the real suffering, the chaos and havoc created in all 50 countries "visited" by American army, the hiding of HAARP and other weapons which have destroyed American lives, the World Trade Center inside job, the assassination of presidents and leaders and so on.... just another fiasco among many others.
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just to add, taking cargo to iss is one thing

taking humans into unknown is something big different!
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There is no mars. Hoax central
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but I still think that Russians are not stupid when making preparations for Mars. Van Allen is def. the problem to stay on moon, but on Mars must be some protection due to its atmosphere, thin but could be enough for a month or two before assros die? lol

the only problem is how to get there, no?
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Nope, Russians are not stupid, that's why in another thread I said their attitude first is a bit like RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES SCENARIO (you remember in the film human astronauts get lost while going to Mars which in the original film they thought was a trip to Orion which is also omnipresent in NASA logo?), well read:
Thread: Russia will send 40 monkeys to Mars

But then again, the whole story about Yuri Gagarin is almost unknown by posters in this forum! You perhaps know better being from Croatia.
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There is no mars. Hoax central
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cruise

post of the day!
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the only problem is how to get there, no?
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[link to www.spacex.com]
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that's cool pal
what I'm saying is how they will safely bring asstros to another planet with a bit of atmo. on a min. three months flight?

and back?
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I'm not a rocket scientist...... I'm just a computer repair guy.

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