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THE CREATOR'S TIME AND CALENDAR FOR THOSE INTERESTED! ARE YOU ON OUR FATHERS TIME?

 
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The same one who said this.this is the high priest that we should follow

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You need to figure out under what law Jesus Christ is High Priest. It isn't under the Law of Moses, as the bible says. It's the new covenant law, Jesus Christ is the High Priest forever. Jesus did not change the Law of Moses in any way.

The new covenant law is not the Law of Moses. If it was, Jesus could not be High Priest, because He is not descended from Aaron.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
-- Hebrews 7:11
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Yes and perfection WAS NOT under the levitical priesthood, so we DO need Jesus. You need to keep reading the passage:

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. For He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

I need to figure it out? novel idea, but thats an absolute done deal for me and my faith in Christ.

You see Jesus didn't change the old covenant (the curse) he ABOLISHED IT, done away with, make null and void, the old is gone.

Matthew 22:37-40; Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Would you buy a brand new computer and put windows 93 on it? No because it wouldn't work, so as a new creation in Christ will not "work" by adding some old covenants laws.

Its simple

Faith in Jesus fulfills all 4000+ laws and commands of the old and new testament. Faith does require action, healing the sick, casting out demons, preaching the "pure milk" of the word of God to babes.

The truth is the word of God, worshiping in spirit and truth is preaching the word, again requires action.

But you have to teach the pure milk, or you are a false teacher. As the old testament has value, its invalid as far as a covenant for believers in Christ...unless of course you only want to walk in very limited power and drink the milk of babes instead of the meat of the Gospel...your choice
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The same one who said this.this is the high priest that we should follow

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You need to figure out under what law Jesus Christ is High Priest. It isn't under the Law of Moses, as the bible says. It's the new covenant law, Jesus Christ is the High Priest forever. Jesus did not change the Law of Moses in any way.

The new covenant law is not the Law of Moses. If it was, Jesus could not be High Priest, because He is not descended from Aaron.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
-- Hebrews 7:11
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22004273


Yes and perfection WAS NOT under the levitical priesthood, so we DO need Jesus. You need to keep reading the passage:

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. For He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

I need to figure it out? novel idea, but thats an absolute done deal for me and my faith in Christ.

You see Jesus didn't change the old covenant (the curse) he ABOLISHED IT, done away with, make null and void, the old is gone.

Matthew 22:37-40; Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Would you buy a brand new computer and put windows 93 on it? No because it wouldn't work, so as a new creation in Christ will not "work" by adding some old covenants laws.

Its simple

Faith in Jesus fulfills all 4000+ laws and commands of the old and new testament. Faith does require action, healing the sick, casting out demons, preaching the "pure milk" of the word of God to babes.

The truth is the word of God, worshiping in spirit and truth is preaching the word, again requires action.

But you have to teach the pure milk, or you are a false teacher. As the old testament has value, its invalid as far as a covenant for believers in Christ...unless of course you only want to walk in very limited power and drink the milk of babes instead of the meat of the Gospel...your choice
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And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why don’t your disciples practice the tradition of the elders; instead, they eat their bread with defiled hands?”

And he said unto them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors me with their lips, But their heart is far from me. But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.’ You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.”

And he said unto them, “Full well do you reject the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition.

For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother; and, He that speaks evil of father or mother, let him die the death’: but you say, If a man shall say to his father or his mother,

That wherewith you might have been profited by me is Corban,that is to say, Given to God; you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; making void the word of God by your tradition, which you have delivered: and many such like things you do” (Mark 7:1-13).



Allow me to explain Corban from a hebrew perspective

Knowing well, therefore, the attitude that prompted the charge, Yehshiyeh did not take the time to explain the matter to his critics. Rather, he “turned the table” on them, and focused attention on a serious violation of Moses’ law by another of their human traditions.

The law of Moses required the Hebrew people to “honor” their parents. That term “honor” did not suggest mere “lip service”; it included the idea of caring for them in their various needs.

Some of the Jews, however, had concocted a scheme to avoid parental responsibility. They would designate certain of their financial resources as “corban.” The Greek word korban is related to the term korbanas, signifying the “temple treasury.” In Jewish practice, therefore, the word “corban” had been coined as a sort of “vow” term. According to the prevailing tradition, one could designate his financial resources as “corban,” which, practically speaking, was a way of “tagging” them, suggesting, “this belongs to God,” and thus was not to be used for personal interests.

Thus, in the manner just described, the covetous, ungrateful false Jews callously neglected parental responsibility by an appeal to this perverted human tradition. In so doing, they flouted the law of God.

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I said all this to say this, that there are those of us who are teaching and showing the work of Christ and are accussed of being legalistic Pharasees.In reality the ones being legalistic and like the pharasees as we see, are the ones who took the laws and changed it into their own religious traditions and nullified .The rule of popes and priests and modern christian traditions that have allowed a lawless doctrine which is the cornerstane of modern chritianity.These are the men who misrepresent scriptures without any knowledge except what haas been peddaled as sacred today.

The one example I share and there are many more is the shabbat, which the holy father hallowed and blessed above all days.

Today chritians tell you point blank that it is done away with and anyday is the shabbat because christ is the shabbat rest.It does not matter what day, but why sunday?

This is in the similar manner Christ rebuked the pharasees for making the law of non effect by adding and taking away. They the pharasees also documented these inputed traditions and made it law and a legal religious document.

Today your churches function the same way and have tainted the laws like the pharasees and the scribes and made it of non effect. Even worse than the pharasees in many cases because you follow the laws of the harlot RoME AND ALL HER CHRISTMAS EASTER SUN WORSHIP LAWS.

You follow the traditions of men and wicked holidays and reject the laws ordained by God and highly endorsed by Jesus.

So going forward before you speak against the truth of the word examine where your laws came from and if it is in union and in harmony with the teaching of the prophets and Jesus

matthew chapter 5:17


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I hear you, but the Law of Moses is still "the curse" according to scripture. I never said to disregard the old testament, but the old covenant. I as a new creation in Jesus Christ am not BOUND to what Moses said, but I can learn from it...thats the distinction.

There is a wealth of wisdom throughout the OT, and I read it daily. I respect the traditions of God and His people throughout the OT as well.

Being under the new covenant, I am not bound to those traditions, and laws is what Im saying. Im also not bound to the traditions of men, and just because a church meets on Sunday does not mean it is demonic and deceived, or "bound" in any way

People are deceived and people are demonic, and only God can judge the heart of man. Assuming because someone or a group of people choose to celebrate a holiday doesn't take away their identity in Jesus, neither does the day their church meets for its "main" meeting.

I understand the Jewish perspective, and the Messianic perspective I believe is the complete expression of scripture.

If you are showing the work of Christ, which I believe you are, then show HIS work. That is the new covenant, the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead that now lives in those who believe to go greater works than these by the power of God. Thats what I walk in, the resurrection power of Jesus.

You assume you know what laws I follow, even after I explain repeatedly, I am under the new covenant, and faith in Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses (the curse)

So are you saying not only do you follow the 3000+ levitical laws, you also follow the 1000+commands in the New testament ?

Deuteronomy 6:5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

Luke 10:27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’and ‘your neighbor as yourself.

Matt 22:37-40; Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Mark 12:30-31; And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
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I hear you, but the Law of Moses is still "the curse" according to scripture. I never said to disregard the old testament, but the old covenant. I as a new creation in Jesus Christ am not BOUND to what Moses said, but I can learn from it...thats the distinction.

There is a wealth of wisdom throughout the OT, and I read it daily. I respect the traditions of God and His people throughout the OT as well.

Being under the new covenant, I am not bound to those traditions, and laws is what Im saying. Im also not bound to the traditions of men, and just because a church meets on Sunday does not mean it is demonic and deceived, or "bound" in any way

People are deceived and people are demonic, and only God can judge the heart of man. Assuming because someone or a group of people choose to celebrate a holiday doesn't take away their identity in Jesus, neither does the day their church meets for its "main" meeting.

I understand the Jewish perspective, and the Messianic perspective I believe is the complete expression of scripture.

If you are showing the work of Christ, which I believe you are, then show HIS work. That is the new covenant, the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead that now lives in those who believe to go greater works than these by the power of God. Thats what I walk in, the resurrection power of Jesus.

You assume you know what laws I follow, even after I explain repeatedly, I am under the new covenant, and faith in Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses (the curse)

So are you saying not only do you follow the 3000+ levitical laws, you also follow the 1000+commands in the New testament ?

Deuteronomy 6:5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

Luke 10:27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’and ‘your neighbor as yourself.

Matt 22:37-40; Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Mark 12:30-31; And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
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THE LAW WAS NOT THE CURSE BUT IT WAS A STIPULATION OF THE LAW WAS A CURSE HENCE FOR THAT ONE REASON MESSIAH BECAME THAT CURSE OF DEATH

Once one was broken the person was guilty of all by death! "death was to that person".Messiah death was the blood shed to erase the that clause which over shadowed the law, so the law was made new that we have that grace period of not being instantly condemned to death.

Though we fall into sin,we have time to work out our salvation while still adhering to Gods LAWS AND COMMANDS.

The law and the prophets spoken of in MATTHEW 5:17 IS REFERRING :

1}TANAKH= THE PROPHETS

2}THE LAW=THE FIVE BOOKS OF MOSES


Hence people use the phrase Moses law ignorantly thinking it was literally Moses law. They are our heavenly fathers law and Moses was the prophet at that time ascribed to write the things God had shown him about the laws of nature and the luninaries and the morality of mankind.

MESSIAH CAME TO SHOW IS IN THE FLESH HOW TO LIVE IT ACCORDING AT IT WAS WRITTEN BECAUSE THE BOOK AND LAWS WERE ABOUT HIM

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So we revert back to the law because Jesus died? All 3000+ of them?
No

Jesus resurrection means He is alive within those who have faith In Jesus, so our faith in Jesus justifies us to the Father. Clear in the scriptures

"Though we fall into sin, we have time to work out our salvation while still adhering to Gods LAWS AND COMMANDS."

So you're either saying you believe in Jesus, or you are still sacrificing animals and following ALL of the Old Testament Laws for your atonement for sin, which Jesus took on the cross.

If you break one of the 3000+ laws you are cursed

Galatians 3:23 But Before faith came we were (past tense) kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


Law=tutor
After Jesus came=no longer under a tutor

Clear as can be
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You're right that the books of the law were written about Jesus the Messiah
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So we revert back to the law because Jesus died? All 3000+ of them?
No

Jesus resurrection means He is alive within those who have faith In Jesus, so our faith in Jesus justifies us to the Father. Clear in the scriptures

"Though we fall into sin, we have time to work out our salvation while still adhering to Gods LAWS AND COMMANDS."

So you're either saying you believe in Jesus, or you are still sacrificing animals and following ALL of the Old Testament Laws for your atonement for sin, which Jesus took on the cross.

If you break one of the 3000+ laws you are cursed

Galatians 3:23 But Before faith came we were (past tense) kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


Law=tutor
After Jesus came=no longer under a tutor

Clear as can be
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I AM NOT TELLING YOU MY OPINION OR MY PHILOSPHY BUT WHAT IS WRITTEN BUT APPARENTLY IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND

I hereby end this discussion with you as I have shown you the simplicity in understanding the books ,but you chose to run around the basics just to hold on to your main stream pagan teachings. So think about this

Romans chapter 8

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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It would be much easier to say you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, instead of "I told you so"

This is not my opinion, or philosophy Iit is written, the scriptures settled in heaven, Jesus is the Christ, son of God, THE MESSIAH

I do walk in the Spirit, the Spirit of God who raised Jesus the Messiah from the dead. I walk in the power of God and my identity is in Jesus, there are healings in Jesus name, demons cast out in Jesus name, life in Jesus name

The only logical reason to try and follow the law (curse) is because you are still waiting for the Messiah, and He came, and He lives in Spirit inside those who believe.

You are quoting Romans 8 written by Paul who believes Jesus is the Messiah.

So again do you follow all 3000+ Levitical laws? And how is that going?


Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
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You are right, the carnally minded, those who are in unbelief of Jesus being the Messiah, are not subject to the law of God.

But those in Christ, whom the law was fulfilled by, are a new creation and are not under the law, of the old covenant, (the curse ) And yes the law is the curse, Thes 3 and Gal 3

Galatians 3:23 But Before faith came we were (past tense) kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

What you are really saying by Quoting Romans 8 is "being in Jesus is carnally minded"

Do you believe the lie of "Jesus is the son of Caesar"? Or some other deception?

The gnostic spirit claims the "secret knowledge" mixed with scripture, and a prophetic gifting, speaks with absolute authority, is unteachable, and never takes correction.
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So we revert back to the law because Jesus died? All 3000+ of them?
No

Jesus resurrection means He is alive within those who have faith In Jesus, so our faith in Jesus justifies us to the Father. Clear in the scriptures

"Though we fall into sin, we have time to work out our salvation while still adhering to Gods LAWS AND COMMANDS."

So you're either saying you believe in Jesus, or you are still sacrificing animals and following ALL of the Old Testament Laws for your atonement for sin, which Jesus took on the cross.

If you break one of the 3000+ laws you are cursed

Galatians 3:23 But Before faith came we were (past tense) kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


Law=tutor
After Jesus came=no longer under a tutor

Clear as can be
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I AM NOT TELLING YOU MY OPINION OR MY PHILOSPHY BUT WHAT IS WRITTEN BUT APPARENTLY IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND

I hereby end this discussion with you as I have shown you the simplicity in understanding the books ,but you chose to run around the basics just to hold on to your main stream pagan teachings. So think about this

Romans chapter 8

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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THIS!^^^^^^
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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This is old covenant thinking. Galatians 3:13; Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us.

So scripture says the Old Testament Law is considered a curse.

How are you doing keeping the 3,000+ laws of the Old Testament?

Acts 1:7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
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Neim-Ya'shar, please read this as it is of EXTREME importance.

Saul of Tarsus (aka "Paul") is a FALSE APOSTLE. This is 100% without any doubt whatsoever proven by an examination of Paul's own writings. One could write a whole book breaking down the many problems with Paul.

In the interest of brevity, thought, let me just point out that Paul was NOT one of the 12 Apostles (Mathias was the replacement for Judas), yet Paul lied and claimed to be an Aposlte. He was actually a PHARISEE (and also related to the Edomite Herod line), who actually persecuted and murdered the followers of Yahushua the Messiah.

There are dozens and dozens of lies, falsehoods, and distortions in Paul's writings. For example, Paul taught that it is ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols, and that "no man can judge you on keeping of the Sabbath". Paul actually started the keeping of Sunday as the "sabbath" by "Christians"

But let's just focus on the very very most important LIE that Paul taught: that the law (of Moses) was a "curse" and "done away with" or "abolished."

But Yahushuah the Messiah taught the exact opposite. He taught that one MUST obey the Law of Moses in order to inherit eternal life!!

Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."
Matthew 7:21-23 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 5:17-20 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
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This is old covenant thinking. Galatians 3:13; Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us.

So scripture says the Old Testament Law is considered a curse.

How are you doing keeping the 3,000+ laws of the Old Testament?

Acts 1:7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
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Neim-Ya'shar, please read this as it is of EXTREME importance.

Saul of Tarsus (aka "Paul") is a FALSE APOSTLE. This is 100% without any doubt whatsoever proven by an examination of Paul's own writings. One could write a whole book breaking down the many problems with Paul.

In the interest of brevity, thought, let me just point out that Paul was NOT one of the 12 Apostles (Mathias was the replacement for Judas), yet Paul lied and claimed to be an Aposlte. He was actually a PHARISEE (and also related to the Edomite Herod line), who actually persecuted and murdered the followers of Yahushua the Messiah.

There are dozens and dozens of lies, falsehoods, and distortions in Paul's writings. For example, Paul taught that it is ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols, and that "no man can judge you on keeping of the Sabbath". Paul actually started the keeping of Sunday as the "sabbath" by "Christians"

But let's just focus on the very very most important LIE that Paul taught: that the law (of Moses) was a "curse" and "done away with" or "abolished."

But Yahushuah the Messiah taught the exact opposite. He taught that one MUST obey the Law of Moses in order to inherit eternal life!!

Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."
Matthew 7:21-23 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 5:17-20 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
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I AM IN TOTAL AGREMENT WITH YOU WITH CHRISTS POSITION!

I will discuss what Paul meant about the curse later ..he was not saying that the law was a or is a curse....but what was the curse was the the death penalty for breaking one "a man was killed because he was guilty of all"..That was the curse because the father found fault with it.

"A woman will be stoned to death for adultery" another example of the curse of the law which christ removed and gave forgivness that man can repent and work out their salvation daily.

Messiah became that curse on the stake and renewed the covenant.That is why it says cursed is any man that hangs from a tree.

We have now the law of liberty where we strive daily obeying the law of God written in our hearts by the acceptance and faith in messiah. For if we love him we will obey and walk after righteousness as he obeyed and walked honoring the father in all things.

The law cannot be nullified it is what works and it is good a and a joy to live


And I think you fro your reply


Many of you speak against paul but paul is not contrary it is the languge you all do not understand and also the audience he is addressing when he wrote the letters.


It is important when reading Paul to see look at the first few verses of the chapters and get the idea who he is in fellowship with and where he is speaking and to whom. Very important to understand also that at times he is not addressing you the reader but learned men of the law in his time..

So please before you go around accusing Paul becareful that is being a flase witness

read 2nd peter chapter 3


15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I beleive that Paul (Saul of Tarsus) is THE "false prophet" prophecied in Scripture.

One cannot understate the monumental significance and impact that the false prophet Saul/Paul has had on history. This is one of the biggest and most important deceptions in the entire history of mankind.

Saul/Paul was an agent of Satan, sent shortly after the life of Yahushuah the Messiah, in order to attempt to snuff out the truth of Yahushuah's message.

Through the crafty lies of Saul/Paul, this is how Satan and "the Anti-Christ" have "deceived the whole world".

Remember that Saul/Paul founded HIS (NOT Yahushuah's) church at ROME. And after the inclusion of Paul's epistles in the "Canon Scripture" by the Roman Emperor Constantine, and the founding of the Roman Catholic Church, Paul's new religion called "Christianity" was created. This is the "Whore of Babylon", the "mother of all harlots". And the Protestants, which still follow many of the doctrines/traditions of the Roman Catholic Church, are those "daughters"/"harlots."

Yahushua the Messiah did not found a new religion. His primary message was that we OBEY THE LAW OF MOSES, in order to inherit eternal life.

Saul/Paul's new religion of "Christianity" is actually a clever ruse that tricks people into worshipping Satan? Believe it not? Saul and the Roman Church sought to blot out and change the name of the Creator and the Messiah (his name is not "Jesus Christ"..."Jesus" is the transliteration of "Hey Zeus", and Zeus is another name for Satan).

They said that we no longer have to follow the Law of Moses and the Commandments. They sought to change the Sabbath from the Seventh Day to SUNDAY (worship and veneration of the Sun). They said we no longer had to follow the Feasts of YHWH. And they introduced a new calendar so that people would not go by YHWH's instituted calendar.

Then they instituted the PAGAN holidays into this new religion, which were actually holidays worshipping the "Sun God" (a form of Satan Worship). The winter solstice (Dec 25) holiday of "Christmas" is actually a continuation of the worship of the "birthday of the unconquered Sun." The holiday of Easter is veneration of the goddess Ishtar.

etc etc etc
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I beleive that Paul (Saul of Tarsus) is THE "false prophet" prophecied in Scripture.

One cannot understate the monumental significance and impact that the false prophet Saul/Paul has had on history. This is one of the biggest and most important deceptions in the entire history of mankind.

Saul/Paul was an agent of Satan, sent shortly after the life of Yahushuah the Messiah, in order to attempt to snuff out the truth of Yahushuah's message.

Through the crafty lies of Saul/Paul, this is how Satan and "the Anti-Christ" have "deceived the whole world".

Remember that Saul/Paul founded HIS (NOT Yahushuah's) church at ROME. And after the inclusion of Paul's epistles in the "Canon Scripture" by the Roman Emperor Constantine, and the founding of the Roman Catholic Church, Paul's new religion called "Christianity" was created. This is the "Whore of Babylon", the "mother of all harlots". And the Protestants, which still follow many of the doctrines/traditions of the Roman Catholic Church, are those "daughters"/"harlots."

Yahushua the Messiah did not found a new religion. His primary message was that we OBEY THE LAW OF MOSES, in order to inherit eternal life.

Saul/Paul's new religion of "Christianity" is actually a clever ruse that tricks people into worshipping Satan? Believe it not? Saul and the Roman Church sought to blot out and change the name of the Creator and the Messiah (his name is not "Jesus Christ"..."Jesus" is the transliteration of "Hey Zeus", and Zeus is another name for Satan).

They said that we no longer have to follow the Law of Moses and the Commandments. They sought to change the Sabbath from the Seventh Day to SUNDAY (worship and veneration of the Sun). They said we no longer had to follow the Feasts of YHWH. And they introduced a new calendar so that people would not go by YHWH's instituted calendar.

Then they instituted the PAGAN holidays into this new religion, which were actually holidays worshipping the "Sun God" (a form of Satan Worship). The winter solstice (Dec 25) holiday of "Christmas" is actually a continuation of the worship of the "birthday of the unconquered Sun." The holiday of Easter is veneration of the goddess Ishtar.

etc etc etc
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I wish I had time to show you something thaat rome did and I understand you fully where you are coming from.


I have all the proof how the days were changed i the bible to uphold sunday worship. LOOK FOR ONE OF MY THREADS CALLED BIBLE MANIPULATION AND TAKE TIME AND COMPARE THE BIBLE VERSES TO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY AND YOU WILL SEE.

They deliberately REEDITED paul writings to lead people away from Messiah's TEACHING


here are some examples I had from our bibles

THE FOLLOWING ARE VERSES USED BY CHRISTIANS TO JUSTIFY SUNDAY WORSHIP AND THAT THE Y'SHAYAH [JESUS] WAS RISEN ON SUNDAY.PLEASE COMPARE THE VERESE TO YOUR NEW BIBLES AND YOU WILL BE SHOCKED

THESE VERSES I WILL DEAR YOU TO COMPARE WITH YOUR MODERN BIBLES AND YOU WILL SEE THE DECEPTION
HERE THEY ARE FROM THE TYNSDALE BIBLE 1526


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warvj

HERE WE SEE PAUL BROKE BREAD AND HELD SERVICE ON THE SHABBAT

Acts 20 verse 7
On a saboth daye the disciples cam to gedder forto breake
breed/ and Paul preached vnto them (redy to departe on the
morowe) and continued his preachynge vnto mydnyght.


There were many lightes in the chamber where we were
gaddered to gedder/ and there sate in a wyndowe a certayne
yonge man named Eutichos/ fallen into a depe slope. And


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warvj
HERE WE SEE PAUL INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO GATHER ON THE SHABBAT
corinthians chapter 16
iF the gadderynge for the saynctes/ as I have ordeyned
in the congregacion off Galacia/ even so do ye. ^
In some saboth daye let every one off you put a syde ^ at home/
and laye vppe ^ whatsoever he thynketh mete/ thatt '^ there be
no gadderynges when I come.

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warvj

CLEARLY WE SEE HERE THE MESSIAH WAS RESURECTED ON THE SHABBAT DAY

john chapter 20 verse 1

1 In the morowe after the saboth daye came Mary magdalene
•*- erly when it was yet darcke/ vnto the sepulcre/ and
sawe the stone ^ rowled awaye from the ^ toumbe
. Then she
ranne/ and cam to Simon Peter/ and to the other disciple
whom Jesus loved/ and sayde vnto them : They have taken
awaye the lorde out off the toumbe and we camiot tell where
they have layde hym. Peter went forth and that other disciple/
and cam vnto the sepulcre.

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warvj
CLEARLY WE SEE HERE THE MESSIAH WAS RESURECTED ON THE SHABBAT DAY

john chapter 20 verse 19

The same daye at nyght/ which was the morowe after the
saboth daye/ when the dores were shutt (where the disciples
were assembled to gedder for feare of the iewes) cam Jesus
and stode in the myddes/ and sayd to them : peace be with
you.
And when he had so sayde/ he shewed vnto them his
hondes "^ [and his feate]/ and his syde. Then were the disciples
glad when they sawe the lorde. He sayde vnto them
agayne : peace be with you. As my father sent me/ even so
send I you. When he had sayde that/ he ^ blewe on them/
and sayde vnto them : Receave the holy goost : whosoever
synnes ye remyt/ they are remitted vnto them : And whosoever
synnes ye retayne/ they are retayned.
Thomas one off the twelve/ called didimus/ was

warvj

CLEARLY WE SEE HERE THE MESSIAH WAS RESURECTED ON THE SHABBAT DAY

matthew chp 28 verse 11

Un the saboth daye att even which clauneth the morowe after
the saboth/ Mary magdalene and the other Mary
cam to se the sepulcre.
And beholde there was a greate erth quake. For the angell
of the lorde descended from heven : and cam and rowlled
backe the stone ffrom the dore/ and sate apon it, ,


May the lord open the eyes and hearts of those of you who want to serve him and do right[/

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Question:

Doesn't every month have a day when the night and the day are equal?

I am referring to what is called (or occurs on) the FULL MOON.

At Full Moon, the moon rises at sunset and sets at sunrise.


This happens every month.

Right?
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Question:

Doesn't every month have a day when the night and the day are equal?

I am referring to what is called (or occurs on) the FULL MOON.

At Full Moon, the moon rises at sunset and sets at sunrise.


This happens every month.

Right?
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no it only happens at the vernal eq.....check the articles i have on the lunar shabbat debunked
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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They deliberately REEDITED paul writings to lead people away from Messiah's TEACHING
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Let me preface this response by stating that the issue of Saul/Paul is critically relevant to the subject of your thread (YHWH's Calendar), because the writings of Paul and the BASIS for which "Christianity" now claims "we are not under the law" and no longer must follow YHWH's Feasts and Sabbaths.

Defenders of Saul/Paul claim that his letters have been "manipulated" or incorrectly translated. But that is not the case. There are HUNDREDS of examples of lies/distortions/problems in Paul's letters.

Here is an excellent, in-depth exposition on Paul by a biblical researcher who initially sought out to defend Paul and thought Paul was merely being "misunderstood", but then came to the overwhelming conclusion that Paul was a false prophet and liar: [link to questioningpaul.com]

Here is a link citing chapter and verse highlighting dozens of lies in Paul's writings: [link to www.wayofthefather.com]

If you actually critically examine Paul's writings, there can be NO DOUBT that he is a liar and false prophet.

Even if you think Saul/Paul was a genuine follower of Yahushua and being merely misunderstood, there is still this problem. Was he really an "Apostle"? There were only 12 Apostles, and he was not one. If Paul is not one of the 12 Apostles, then where is the authority to count his LETTERS as "Canon Scripture" and include them as AUTHORITATIVE and part of the "Bible" (canon scripture)?
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thank you, neim-ya'shar, for the wonderful information and revelation of yahweh's calendar.

one here always enjoys your posts.

shabbat shalom!
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 14:8
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thank you, neim-ya'shar, for the wonderful information and revelation of yahweh's calendar.

one here always enjoys your posts.

shabbat shalom!
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thank you and you too
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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almighty yahweh has been challenging one here over the past year to not be "in time" but "out of time".

the times and seasons as established by rome force mankind into an "in time" paradigm. to be "out of time" is to be "without" or outside of the world system which is obedience to yahshua's command to come out her, babylon.

those of us that are located on the uSA are stuck in december 31, 1899.

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And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 14:8
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almighty yahweh has been challenging one here over the past year to not be "in time" but "out of time".

the times and seasons as established by rome force mankind into an "in time" paradigm. to be "out of time" is to be "without" or outside of the world system which is obedience to yahshua's command to come out her, babylon.

those of us that are located on the uSA are stuck in december 31, 1899.

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THE WHOLE PLOT BY SATAN IS TO KEEP OF US THE CREATORS HOLY DAYS AND FEASTS,

ChristiAns are not realizing how far away they have been removed form the Christ of the old biblical times. The bible shows two things that no one is really paying attention to.One is the statement "AND THE WHOLE WORLD WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST" The other one is "LOW HERE IS CHRIST OR THERE IS CHRIST" .these are the ones teaching the false Jesus Rome gave to the world.All you hear is jesus jesus jesus and their is no devotion and obedience to his laws and statutes it is openly rejected

People think I am against Christians but I am against the teachings they bring because it is not the real thing but a counterfeit.

The jewish pretenders also have misguided the church into their falsehood also they are following the moon on a 354 day cycle.Their passover is totally off also because they do not follow the equinox as the father ordained and showed to Enoch..

I am just a little dark skin manned in most peoples eyes and much of the truth is rejected because of this fact.I am startled at the attacks I receive from Christians when they don't have a passage of scripture to backup the false teachings they received

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So again do you follow all 3000+ Levitical laws? And how is that going?
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Jesus said that men not being circumcised is breaking the Law of Moses.

If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
-- John 7:23

The New Testament says that Christians aren't under the Law of Moses, and that they don't have to be circumcised.





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