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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
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[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]

Part of the article:

Exclusive: A Seat for the Pope at King David's Tomb


Published: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:16 AM

Israel seems to have sold Jerusalem to the Vatican.

by Giulio Meotti

An historic agreement has been drafted between Israel and the Vatican. The Israeli authorities have granted the Pope an official seat in the room where the Last Supper is believed to have taken place, on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, and where David and Solomon, Jewish kings of Judea, are considered by some researchers, to also be buried.


It is the culmination of a long campaign by the Catholic Church to regain religious stewardship over the place where Jesus is supposed to have broken bread and drunk wine with his disciples on the eve of his crucifixion.


This is an enormous issue pushed through without any public debate.
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good job !
but many abominations are present at this time
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Psst...uh, well, so technically he's not "standing" in the holy place - he has a "seat" - so he's sitting...

But symbolically.. yeah, he's there!
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good job !
but many abominations are present at this time
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True true!!
But I was thinking that maybe if the new dude was the anti-christ, he'd be hanging out there also. He would certainly be "the" abomination (in my humble opinion).
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Maybe the holy place *is* "whoso readeth" ;)
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the holy place is the white house.
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Maybe the holy place *is* "whoso readeth" ;)
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Can you clarify please...? You mean in oneself?
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the holy place is the white house.
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Yuk, why?? Look closely at B.O.'s name though. Look real closely and you will see three numbers in his first and last name. a's are backward sixes, b's are frontward sixes also. I noticed this a few years ago but hated to point this out, 'cause sometimes I like the guy. All so confusing for me sometimes....
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You mean in oneself?
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yes

[link to www.templesecrets.info]

<< The floor plan: Does it reveal
a temple with a human form? >>
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You mean in oneself?
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yes

[link to www.templesecrets.info]

<< The floor plan: Does it reveal
a temple with a human form? >>
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Hmmm...very interesting, this will take some time to decipher, but I do see your point. I immediatly noticed the similarity to Nebachadnezzar's statute before it was pointed out. I studied it a bit last year, and looked at the governing powers as they related to the parts of the statute. If you study the length of an anotomically correct man it is nearly perfect in proportion, except the legs are wayyyy too long.

To make it anatomically correct, the feet actually culminate with Yehushua's birth. I was thinking perhaps rather than an end-time prophesy it was actually a prophecy of the new kingdom ushered in with Christ's birth/death.

I wonder if the temple is also anatomically correct...?

So, are there abominations within us in your opinion? Like what? How can the prophesy help us?

Cheers!
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abomination ....

Pig lard & ham ladden bomb in the dome mosque !

Kaboom! abomb


but professy states ..

Abomination of DESOLATION ...

that means total destruction (Nuke) asteroid hit , pope wanking off at the holy sepulcre jerkit or something alike that !
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abomination ....

Pig lard & ham ladden bomb in the dome mosque !

Kaboom! abomb


but professy states ..

Abomination of DESOLATION ...

that means total destruction (Nuke) asteroid hit , pope wanking off at the holy sepulcre jerkit or something alike that !
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Uh, colourfully put.

But there is a point in there.

Different translations:
[link to bible.cc]

-sacrilegious object that causes desecration
-Abomination of desolation (most translations)
-abomination that causes desolation
-destructive desecration
-desecrated sign of desolation
-disgusting thing that will cause destruction

Might be worth looking closer at translations, I'm not that au fait.


In any case, that was the signal for the Christians to flee?
It could make sense with the Jesuits around? Someone just told me today that the Jesuits still make this hideous oath against the protestants and "heretics"


(Heretic: A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church
[link to www.thefreedictionary.com] )


Here's an excerpt I just found from their oath:
[link to www.ianpaisley.org] I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus
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Past my bedtime, night all!
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So, are there abominations within us in your opinion? Like what? How can the prophesy help us?

Cheers!
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If the "AoD" has not already occurred (it may already have, back in the day), its fulfillment might be patterned after Judas Iscariot, whom Jesus referred to as the "son of perdition". Essentially, he was someone close to Jesus, followed Him for 3 years and participated in the miracles, etc. but eventually sold Him out for a bag of cash (the going rate for a slave). Similar scenario as Esau, selling his birthright for a bowl of soup. The model for the offense in question consists of forfeiting/abandoning the spiritual for the tangible. . .choosing material gain/security/comfort over status with God. It's about "loving" your life to the point that you lose it, when we're actually called to do the opposite - we gain true life by giving our lives away or subjecting ourselves to potential loss.

Theoretically, the man of sin declaring himself "God" in the holy place (God's current temple, our body) might be something that occurs on an individual level, whereby a believer commits some act of regression or retreat from obedience or even from martyrdom, for the sake of preserving oneself. I'm reminded of Billy Zane in Titanic - when he climbed into that lifeboat, he did so as a coward saving his own butt and forfeiting any remnants of honor he had left. Do you or I know any comfy, privileged christians who might be prone to a similar abortion?

(Not that God expects us to be perfect, or doesn't understand our weaknesses. . .but it is worth noting those who "walked no more with Him" in John 6:66. I try to picture the lives they went back to - what could be worth abandoning Christ?! Careers? Worldly status? It's just baffling.)
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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
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Nicely done! Matthew as part of this prophecy as Daniel 18 2 Thess 2:3 and a few other verses i cant remember at the moment speak of the Abomination being a rebellion against YHWH...and that this rebellion would be the cease of praise to YHWH from the temple or our "temple" our bodies...I believe his seat in Jerusalem along with the Obamanation visiting there 6 days b4 passover just like Y'shua did on a donkey (democrat) to be hailed as "the Mashiach" would allude that the key players of this whole coming together in this area would be A false Prophet -new pope in Jerusalem preaching the religion of apostasia as said in Dan 8:12 and Acts 21:21...this man of lawlessness would promote a rebelliong and in doing so begin the persecution....now if this were to happen it coulndt happen with prior knowing because we are told to watch and FLEE as soon as you see him doing this promotion...like Lot and his family fleeing to the mountains same notion here flee when you see this going on means its not something we see coming...it just starts and blam its time to go...while this could be the actual thing i still dont think the pope is the main player...just the false prophet...we shall see tho remember the false prophet does the signs and wonders not the Antichrist...the Antichrist-False Prophet-Satan unholy trinity the pope would have to herald in this worship and the AC would have to be at the top with his army enforcing it...with Satan pulling the strings in the backround till he fully dwells in the body of his AC just like Jesus had a fore runner in John the Baptist...so will the AC and if this pope gets the seat...we just might see what your talking bout GREAT FIND!!
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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
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The bolded part is the most important.
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The part in brackets that is.
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Gay marriage in churches=abomination in the holy place.
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Gay marriage in churches=abomination in the holy place.
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Churches aren't Holy, if anything they magnify suffering. Most gatherings of people form a collective consciousness. You shouldn't have to guess the mindset of the type of people who goto church if you read history or see what's happening in the world today..

The Body is the temple, so the body is the Holy place.

So the abomination is the thoughts, emotions, words and intents of an individual. Almost everything that isn't right thinking. The Body, the person which is Holy, becomes unholy.

Whoso readeth, let him understand.

Back when people worshipped Zeus, Apollo, Athena, etc,, things were the same, the worship of those Gods brought about results too.

It's not about what you worship, it's about the desire in your heart. What you put out there.
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Gay marriage in churches=abomination in the holy place.
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Marriage, and surnames are just a means to keep people under control. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Gay marriage is just another trap for Gays ironically enough.


Got to get EVERYBODY in the system.
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Could the Vatican be the holy place?

Could the next pope be the false prophet.
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hf The Holy Place is Christianity, Christians have a relationship with Jesus. The Holy Spirit is your Comforter and your Supreme Authority as a Christian remains in God's will to keep God's blessings shining over them, the perfect recipe for a great society and a great prosperous country. hf

xmas stars The Vatican where the Pope is, he the Pope "in place of God", sits in the Holy Place as if God. It has its own regime and uses Christianity as its cover as a harlot would do = fake relationship with the masses and fake relationship with God but the power and the glory is given to Satan. shark hitler money alien alien03 smooch pope trio wine

Father, Son and Holy Spirit is ONE PERSON working in three Offices not three separate personalities that was erroneously taught by the mother whore in Rome and indoctrinated its daughters who could not cut off the ambilical cord but wanted breast milk and refused growth in Christ and growth in the movement of the Holy Spirit to move out of spiritual darkness, it became the antichrist performing great miracles, Christ heals and gives but that does not mean He has accepted you, He rejects spiritual prostitutes although He gives as He is God and the earth does belong to Him, his love is abused by Satan as Satan goes inside people to ruin society and ruin the earth.

This Christianity taught is incorrect making it an abomination in the Holy Place.

wakeup You and your spouse are happy together, the neighbour comes in and takes over your partner and even takes over your home and you are removed, that is an example of an abomination, as the neighbour ruined your life, ruined your children's life and ruined your spouse's life, the neighbour ruined what could have been a great generation and it could have been passed down to the next generation, thus destroying the fabric of society whereas it could have been an unbroken society. scream


This was dealt with already that is why the world is aware but do not really understand due to the deliberate blockage, knows about it but the prostitute never stepped down and admitted guilt that she caused all the wars, she caused the killing of God's saints and God's prophets, killing of the flesh is not only necessarily for them but also to kill and destruct the beauty God is His building up, is deliberately defamed by the spewing of lies, making up stories to discredit and designing a new character that does not exist so it can die and no one can see = BLIND = CANNOT FIND THE TRUTH. yoda go beauty


Abomination is what a prostitute does and heads The Truth with fabels, myths and lies deceiving a whole human race.

This is all done to keep power, fame and gold in tact, God must just understand the beast will dictate to God, that is the scenario of the abomination using Christ as second person or a third person = BOTTOMLESS PIT = READ REVELATIONS THE BEAST IS SPELT OUT, THE THING THAT GOD KILLS HIMSELF = SHE IS THE CAUSE OF DESTRUCTION AND NUKES FLIES ENDING MANKIND = GOD CLEANS UP HIS HOME AND BRINGS HIS LOVED ONES HE SAVED THEY INHERIT THE EARTH!
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the ADAMAH is the A DAM ...ALEPH in BLOOD/dam .....

i am the Alpha/Aleph ....GOD

standing in the HOLY PLACE .....your TEMPLE (body)

we each are the abomination until we free the one trapped within...

the kingdom is WITHIN .....

Jesus finished the way of the ADAM ....

so that there can be a NEW CREATION/CREATURE .....

Now is the day ....
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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
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that event took place a long time ago

and just how do you think God views the dome of the rock?

ya think He approves?
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The Maccabees revolt was against Antiochus Epiphanies IV, a Macedonian king who sacrificed a pig on the altar of the Jewish Temple and set up a statue of Zeus.The Book of Macabees uses the term "abomination of desolation" to describe what Antiochus did. From Wiki:

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The 1 Maccabees usage of the term points to the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the mid-2nd century BC. Specifically, he set up an altar to Zeus in the Second Temple in Jerusalem, and sacrificed swine on it around the year 167 BC.[citation needed] Many modern scholars believe that Daniel 9:27, 11:31 and 12:11 are prophecies after the event relating to Antiochus.[8][9]


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I think the final "Abomination of Desolation" might be a Catholic Pope offering the "sacrifice" of the Eucharist on the altar of the re-built temple and possibly placing a statue of Mary or some other saint there.

Who knows?
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typically assumed, perhaps, but wrong.

the holy place is someone's home.

the abomination is when a pack of thieving little shits attempt to act as if they are the offspring or relatives of the person that owns the home in question. they usually set up photographs and portraits of themselves among the portraits of the people that live in the home.

i've seen this happen and assume that it happens often.
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Gay marriage in churches=abomination in the holy place.
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Churches aren't Holy, if anything they magnify suffering. Most gatherings of people form a collective consciousness. You shouldn't have to guess the mindset of the type of people who goto church if you read history or see what's happening in the world today..

The Body is the temple, so the body is the Holy place.

So the abomination is the thoughts, emotions, words and intents of an individual. Almost everything that isn't right thinking. The Body, the person which is Holy, becomes unholy.

Whoso readeth, let him understand.

Back when people worshipped Zeus, Apollo, Athena, etc,, things were the same, the worship of those Gods brought about results too.

It's not about what you worship, it's about the desire in your heart. What you put out there.
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"Who so readeth, let him understand"
This is the ONLY time that Jesus said this.
He always ends His heavenly parables with "those who have ears, listen"
That tells me there will be no more Churches to preach to you and now is the time to read the word rather then be taught by a man. Read the Word! It will bless you.
No more tradition, but having a personal relationship with God and Jesus has been called "the Word of God". No more churches teaching tradition ,rather now is the time to read for yourself especially Matthew 24:15.
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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
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the abomination is your religion

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So, are there abominations within us in your opinion? Like what? How can the prophesy help us?

Cheers!
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If the "AoD" has not already occurred (it may already have, back in the day), its fulfillment might be patterned after Judas Iscariot, whom Jesus referred to as the "son of perdition". Essentially, he was someone close to Jesus, followed Him for 3 years and participated in the miracles, etc. but eventually sold Him out for a bag of cash (the going rate for a slave). Similar scenario as Esau, selling his birthright for a bowl of soup. The model for the offense in question consists of forfeiting/abandoning the spiritual for the tangible. . .choosing material gain/security/comfort over status with God. It's about "loving" your life to the point that you lose it, when we're actually called to do the opposite - we gain true life by giving our lives away or subjecting ourselves to potential loss.

Theoretically, the man of sin declaring himself "God" in the holy place (God's current temple, our body) might be something that occurs on an individual level, whereby a believer commits some act of regression or retreat from obedience or even from martyrdom, for the sake of preserving oneself. I'm reminded of Billy Zane in Titanic - when he climbed into that lifeboat, he did so as a coward saving his own butt and forfeiting any remnants of honor he had left. Do you or I know any comfy, privileged christians who might be prone to a similar abortion?

(Not that God expects us to be perfect, or doesn't understand our weaknesses. . .but it is worth noting those who "walked no more with Him" in John 6:66. I try to picture the lives they went back to - what could be worth abandoning Christ?! Careers? Worldly status? It's just baffling.)
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Yes, I think the AOD has already occurred; I also think that this may be one of those dual prophesies. (I credit Tim McHyde's writings about dual prophesies)

Interesting that you quoted John 6:66! All in all, I appreciate your food for thought, has given me lots to chew on.

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