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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
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Nicely done! Matthew as part of this prophecy as Daniel 18 2 Thess 2:3 and a few other verses i cant remember at the moment speak of the Abomination being a rebellion against YHWH...and that this rebellion would be the cease of praise to YHWH from the temple or our "temple" our bodies...I believe his seat in Jerusalem along with the Obamanation visiting there 6 days b4 passover just like Y'shua did on a donkey (democrat) to be hailed as "the Mashiach" would allude that the key players of this whole coming together in this area would be A false Prophet -new pope in Jerusalem preaching the religion of apostasia as said in Dan 8:12 and Acts 21:21...this man of lawlessness would promote a rebelliong and in doing so begin the persecution....now if this were to happen it coulndt happen with prior knowing because we are told to watch and FLEE as soon as you see him doing this promotion...like Lot and his family fleeing to the mountains same notion here flee when you see this going on means its not something we see coming...it just starts and blam its time to go...while this could be the actual thing i still dont think the pope is the main player...just the false prophet...we shall see tho remember the false prophet does the signs and wonders not the Antichrist...the Antichrist-False Prophet-Satan unholy trinity the pope would have to herald in this worship and the AC would have to be at the top with his army enforcing it...with Satan pulling the strings in the backround till he fully dwells in the body of his AC just like Jesus had a fore runner in John the Baptist...so will the AC and if this pope gets the seat...we just might see what your talking bout GREAT FIND!!
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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29615201


Nicely done! Matthew as part of this prophecy as Daniel 18 2 Thess 2:3 and a few other verses i cant remember at the moment speak of the Abomination being a rebellion against YHWH...and that this rebellion would be the cease of praise to YHWH from the temple or our "temple" our bodies...I believe his seat in Jerusalem along with the Obamanation visiting there 6 days b4 passover just like Y'shua did on a donkey (democrat) to be hailed as "the Mashiach" would allude that the key players of this whole coming together in this area would be A false Prophet -new pope in Jerusalem preaching the religion of apostasia as said in Dan 8:12 and Acts 21:21...this man of lawlessness would promote a rebelliong and in doing so begin the persecution....now if this were to happen it coulndt happen with prior knowing because we are told to watch and FLEE as soon as you see him doing this promotion...like Lot and his family fleeing to the mountains same notion here flee when you see this going on means its not something we see coming...it just starts and blam its time to go...while this could be the actual thing i still dont think the pope is the main player...just the false prophet...we shall see tho remember the false prophet does the signs and wonders not the Antichrist...the Antichrist-False Prophet-Satan unholy trinity the pope would have to herald in this worship and the AC would have to be at the top with his army enforcing it...with Satan pulling the strings in the backround till he fully dwells in the body of his AC just like Jesus had a fore runner in John the Baptist...so will the AC and if this pope gets the seat...we just might see what your talking bout GREAT FIND!!
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Thanks. Obama going over there also? That is all definitely freaky; you're right, it could all line up...
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Gay marriage in churches=abomination in the holy place.
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Churches aren't Holy, if anything they magnify suffering. Most gatherings of people form a collective consciousness. You shouldn't have to guess the mindset of the type of people who goto church if you read history or see what's happening in the world today..

The Body is the temple, so the body is the Holy place.

So the abomination is the thoughts, emotions, words and intents of an individual. Almost everything that isn't right thinking. The Body, the person which is Holy, becomes unholy.

Whoso readeth, let him understand.

Back when people worshipped Zeus, Apollo, Athena, etc,, things were the same, the worship of those Gods brought about results too.

It's not about what you worship, it's about the desire in your heart. What you put out there.
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"Who so readeth, let him understand"
This is the ONLY time that Jesus said this.
He always ends His heavenly parables with "those who have ears, listen"
That tells me there will be no more Churches to preach to you and now is the time to read the word rather then be taught by a man. Read the Word! It will bless you.
No more tradition, but having a personal relationship with God and Jesus has been called "the Word of God". No more churches teaching tradition ,rather now is the time to read for yourself especially Matthew 24:15.
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Good catch, I knew there was something odd about the phrase. And in today's age, the bible quite available for people to read it themselves, unlike long ago - so it seems it was also for later generations...?
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So, I was thinking more about this today - about whether or not the place of passover was a holy place.

The room was the very place that Yehushua/Jesus, announced and instituted the New Covenant. The new covenant which - wow - saves us all, if we accept it. This is bigger than a temple, no?



[link to www.biblegateway.com]


Jeremiah 31:31
Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a new covenant,

Matthew 26:28
for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;

Hebrews 8:8
For finding fault, He saith to them, `Lo, days come, saith the Lord, and I will complete with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, a new covenant,

Hebrews 9:15
And because of this, of a new covenant he is mediator, that, death having come, for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those called may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,


As for the room itself, I quote Wikipedia:

Saint Mark's Syrian Orthodox Church in Jerusalem is another possible site for the room in which the Last Supper was held, and contains a Christian stone inscription testifying to early reverence for that spot. Certainly the room they have is older than that of the current coenaculum (crusader - 12th century) and as the room is now underground the relative altitude is correct (the streets of 1st century Jerusalem were at least twelve feet (3.6 metres) lower than those of today, so any true building of that time would have even its upper storey currently under the earth). They also have a revered Icon of the Virgin Mary, reputedly painted from life by St Luke.

Never heard of this. Well, if we possibly knew what Mary looked like, maybe we'd half know what Yehushua/Jesus sort of looked like, aye?

Back to my "holy place" notions: and then I thought, duh, it obviously must be considered a "holy place" or the Pope wouldn't be wanting a room there, would he????

But, then again, if I was on to something, I kinda doubt this threaad would still be here...
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Let the reader understand..

You see?, you think our wise and holy prophets/prophetess died 2000 or more years ago?, but in realities time is an illusion.

Metaphysics resurface again since Atlantis sunk and there is no time bound within. Depending on you're persona and you're karma, included all previous lifetimes..

.. Art thou Holy enough to access the most sacred and highest Metaphysical realm?. Even now, we all are in Metaphysics astral plane when we sleep!.
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Excellent point OP ... thank you for sharing!

Namaste,

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"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." - Matthew 24:22
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OBAMAnation in the HOLY PLACE

obamanation of desecration
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this is not literal. matthew gospel and daniel say another thing:

those that in judea (southern kingdom of israël, which stayed believing in the law, even in their mistakes, true to the ONE god, that is one and all = love is the law)

must flee the mountains (the powers = knowledge, jerusalem is build on 7, but also rome is, but these mountains are in judea)

do not return for things in the house (dont keep hold to what you knew (old ways of believing, the things that gave you peace)

in the field (growing the spirit)
do not turn back for clothing (garments are that what you belief at one time )

wo to the pregnant
(growing the spirit gives birth to the child, the new you, lot that left his woman behind to do the refelection, see back in the past and the reflections (waters) changed her into the residue of reflection (salt or the dead sea symbol)

to anyone who says here is the christ do notbelieve him
(the manifestation of god sees his own body as all together, he does not see himself seperated, so he will never proclaim his body only is christ, and not his whole world, but this verse will create the perception of the antichrist, and elijah will be seen as antichrist, so the deception can work out and bring us all home)

the daily will be stopped.

"he will not know the god of his forefathers" because he, elijah will know the truth, as jesus told us "he will come from the father" not anymore from the son. It is not the son who will visit, but the father, to prepare the way as john prepared th way for the son of man (which are all prophets toogether)

if you go back to your old home, you will not understand.
love is the only way, even without knowing the word god, it is still gods only law, and it is the spirit of his name.
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[link to bible.cc] Matthew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Just a thought:

So, it is typically assumed that the holy place is the temple, or the dome, etc..

But wouldn't where Yehushua/Jesus held passover one of the most holy places...? (whoso readeth, let him understand - sounds like there is a twist, eh?)

If Pope is getting authority over these digs after retirement, wouldn't that possibly fulfill Matthew?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29615201


One of the two abominations already happened in 167 BC, when Antiochus placed a statue of zeus in the holy temple. MT 24, MK 13, LK 21 all refer to that and a future desolation in the end-times.
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there will not be a temple anymore. the temple was and is christ (not jesus as person, but the spirit of all toegether)

the better translations have a better logic:

which is abominable or detestable that has desolated

be carefull when using the bible:

discern and understand.
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there will not be a temple anymore. the temple was and is christ (not jesus as person, but the spirit of all toegether)

the better translations have a better logic:

which is abominable or detestable that has desolated

be carefull when using the bible:

discern and understand.
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Take it literally, the temple refers to a temple. Jesus himself referred to this abomination before he was crudcified, so please cite whatever scripture you are talking about.
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the temples differ from items in it. those items explain the steps of creation. the altars, and the offers. eacht temple has its own. the second temple represents christ, so the arc was gone. the thrid represents elijah or millenium (garden or paradise, which is before the kingdom), so the outside is gone ( the choice )
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Da 9:25-26- refers to a sanctuary being destroyed, causing the sacrifices and oblation to cease. -See Antiochus in 167 placing statue of zeus in the temple. This caused the Maccabean revolt.
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the temples differ from items in it. those items explain the steps of creation. the altars, and the offers. eacht temple has its own. the second temple represents christ, so the arc was gone. the thrid represents elijah or millenium (garden or paradise, which is before the kingdom), so the outside is gone ( the choice )
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Again, please cite the specific verse so we know what the context is.
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there will not be a temple anymore. the temple was and is christ (not jesus as person, but the spirit of all toegether)

the better translations have a better logic:

which is abominable or detestable that has desolated

be carefull when using the bible:

discern and understand.
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Take it literally, the temple refers to a temple. Jesus himself referred to this abomination before he was crudcified, so please cite whatever scripture you are talking about.
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Jesus build his knowlegde on love, many build their knowledge on personal salvation, nobody who does not plead for the whole world in past present and future to be saved from suffering and comdemnation will understand daniel nor the prophets, and not jesus.

but if you love, you will find a way through fear of hell, and conquer hell.
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the verse i teach is: love, or the law, the law condems and set free, religion does not understand that freedoms comes forth from being lost first. One who wants to save his life, will loose it, and who gives his life, will gain it.
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if i give you a verse that explains god, god would not have explaine dhimself in a book that was fighted over for thousands of years. But if i give you gods law, you will forget the bible, and focus on god.
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many who will have called on my name, i will not know them.

why ? because the screamed before they helped.
you can also help, and scream together.
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but you want a verse.

well, a time, times, and ...

the bible is more then truth, it is the trap of perception, everyone can read in it what they want.

still it has the truth, but it does not shape the truth, truth is the beliefsystem of god himself, and that word existed before the world.

logic.

logic will explain the bible, the bible will not explain logic.

still the bible feeds logic, inspires it and because of this logic can go home. the 2 pillars at the entrance of the temple fullfilled, the altar will be gone.
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the verse i teach is: love, or the law, the law condems and set free, religion does not understand that freedoms comes forth from being lost first. One who wants to save his life, will loose it, and who gives his life, will gain it.
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Well personal interpretaion is not good enough, scripture needs to justify it. Thanks anyways though.
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i told you scripture can not be explained without the spirit of god teaching it you, so i ask you, who is your god, one that judges or one that frees ? Didnt christ told us, it is not me who will judge you.

Understand the trap of the bible, so you can read it. and then focus on the verses. you have to read the bible with the goal in mind..

i explain:

god told us "stone those people" now, do u plead to god, that he explains this to you, will you doubt the law you read to receive a better law ?

because god also told us "i am one, if you divide me, you will surely die"
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i can not give trees where there is need for a seed.
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i can not give trees where there is need for a seed.
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god is one, still his whole body or creation is dual, the bible explains why god is dual, so you can read opposite thing sin it, this is why relgion fought about it for thousands of years...this is why the bible explains israel was divided over 2 mountains as curse and blessing and this is why the garden was close to 2 rivers.

so if you try to find one explination in the bible when it actually explains 2 faces, you will get stuck.

if you try to find 2 faces of god, you will find one face at the end.

so what does it mean ? you have to decide first which face is god, one who is one, and automaticly loves his own being as you love yourself, or one who is divided, and for these reasons judges himself that is not himself as divided and death.

who is your god ? one or a false god, one that judges.

if you read both gods in the bible, you will find who the real one is. for this you need to take the risk to offer your own salvation for the salvation of all.
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they had been working on a deal




jerusalem under popes authority, likely it has been tied up




they have but a short time left~
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honestly, i know its a mess, god will have about thousand years to explain this to people, when you wish i do it in 5 minutes. nobody will ever do this on earth, even elijah will fail because he can only explain to the ones that chose sides, or faces of god. not to the ones that will not choose.

still elijah always comes again, with another face. but now he needs to be the circlemaker, the one who measures the temple. all suffering needs an end, so how does god decide the end of your suffering ? by the most optimal use of it, and this is decided at the end, where logic gives god a WILL and the body of adam completes. The price paid for knowledge and the alpha started once again, still never before.
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if the antichrist (who is not really existin) would be in rome, half of the world would be against him. i don not think this is his best startposition. the same for president of the usa. honestly, nobody can ever bring together this world in this time, one of the reasons there will not be a anticrist, but only the perception of antichrist. deception so even the ..
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i told you scripture can not be explained without the spirit of god teaching it you, so i ask you, who is your god, one that judges or one that frees ? Didnt christ told us, it is not me who will judge you.

Understand the trap of the bible, so you can read it. and then focus on the verses. you have to read the bible with the goal in mind..

i explain:

god told us "stone those people" now, do u plead to god, that he explains this to you, will you doubt the law you read to receive a better law ?

because god also told us "i am one, if you divide me, you will surely die"
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That would be the Bible. I highly recommend it to you. Again, whoever is 'teaching you' may be giving you an inaccurate interpretation. If you cant find any scripture supporting your claim that Christ is the so-called temple to be desecrated twice, its probably not accurate.
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u dont get tired of those verse fights ? christ told himself he was the temple of the living god. jesus also told all the prophets would be fullfilled. jesus also told the spirit does not bring conusion still confused everyone.

it is this duality which is very difficiult to explain, do not expect someone to explain it in 5 minutes, where jesus nor mohammed nor buddha nor confusius nor nyone else did not explain it clear for over 2000 years.

what goed does it bring someone on path that leads to another path.

i can show you everything, but i am to tired after 33 years of my life bible verse searching to add another year to it. i give ideas, and with those concepts you can search yourself, just ask yourself, where is the deception is an antichrist comes to walk some rounds in a temple, meet a president and together, maybe in rome, joining the world in peacetogether. it will not happen, and it will never happen. peace through the son of man is for the millenium, not before.
what will come is the hopebringer, the manifestation as to give witness of the truth, which will divide through its state of being, not because of the one that is. Because jesus brought a sword, but did everything not to touch a sword, and i only saw religion in ignorrance or with the sword, while jesus dined with prostitutes and rejected, the churches reject and avoid those that are under judgement on earth.
ofcourse it is a generalisation. not all religion is bad. but their priorities. my dear god, they are so blind. thinking that gaymarriage is the end of the world, when their ignorance let a million starve. and i guess we are all guilty of that.

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