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ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!!

 
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I wrote this for all of you to read based on the video and the pictures that I have seen.

[link to www.thececilhotel.com]

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So here is my analysis of this video and what I think happened. What I wanted to figure out first was the floor
that she might have been on. By pulling up some pictures of the hotel, I can tell you that she was not on the
first floor. By looking at the floor pattern and at the wall color outside the elevator you can tell this. By
comparing what you see in the video to the picture on the side of the different floors, you can tell that the
red/orange color would only be on the first floor, at which the elevator had stopped at the end of the video.
What is interesting to note is if you look at the first picture, you can tell that there should be an emergency door
to the left of Elisa in the video and no hallway as you can tell from the picture. In the beginning of the video
you can see that she was hiding from someone who was coming from that direction, to her left, but for some reason
when the elevator does not close she looks in both directions. There is not much to see to the left because the wall would have been a couple of feet away. Also you can tell that the button for the elevator would have also
been to her left. I am not sure about this but at one point I thought she had a smile on her face in the video.
When she steps out and starts making those gestures, it looks as though she is trying to stop the elevator door
from closing. After that it looked like she was counting fingers on her hand. Now the most interesting part
that I have noticed. Towards the end of the video if you pay attention to the way her right hand is raised
and the motion of her feet, it looks as though someone had grabbed her by her hair or was pulling her towards that
emergency door. Looking closely at the movement of her feet, you can see them overlap in an unatural motion. One
most associated of being dragged or pulled back to the side. Also as you all know if you press all the floors as
she had done, the elevator would have been going through all the floors and not make only 2 stops.
From this you can tell that she was very close to the top floor/roof. Reason for this being is because the looking
at the floor pattern the elevator moved down. Because in the beginning you can tell that there is a piece of the light you can see in the video which is the light hanging on the right side. When the elevator makes the first stop, you don't see that white spot anymore which is an indication that the elevator was moving down. The reason for this is because the last stop was the first floor based on the color pattern. She was not on drugs. You can tell from this video that she was in real distress and freaking out. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. She was panicking. Tell me what your thoughts are on this.
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Looking over this again. I am 100% sure now that she was VERY close to the top floor, in not a floor below it. It took some time to get to the first floor.
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Looking over this again. I am 100% sure now that she was VERY close to the top floor, if not a floor below the roof top. If you time how long it took for the elevator to go to the first floor, it's pretty obvious she at the top of the building.
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nice work on the floor levels and observing where the emerency doors are-ive only watched the vid once,im going to have another look now
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nice work on the floor levels and observing where the emerency doors are-ive only watched the vid once,im going to have another look now
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Thanks. I watched the video a couple of times and then realized that if I had some pictures of the interior, I would be able to determine this.
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nice work on the floor levels and observing where the emerency doors are-ive only watched the vid once,im going to have another look now
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Thanks. I watched the video a couple of times and then realized that if I had some pictures of the interior, I would be able to determine this.
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IN FACT YOU CAN SEE THE DAM ELEVATOR IN THE SECOND PIC IN THE REFLECTION OF THE MIRROR!
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nice work on the floor levels and observing where the emerency doors are-ive only watched the vid once,im going to have another look now
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Thanks. I watched the video a couple of times and then realized that if I had some pictures of the interior, I would be able to determine this.
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IN FACT YOU CAN SEE THE DAM ELEVATOR IN THE SECOND PIC IN THE REFLECTION OF THE MIRROR!
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i can see that reflection too.

Im not sure about the being pulled off to the side because of her foot placement-it looks to me like she turned left very sharply-like walking in a circle,leaving her left foot turned in as she turned while her right was taking a step(try it yourself-by the time you turn your body your left foot will be turned in a i pidgeontoed way)

in one of the other threads it was mentioned she was signing words with her hands-friend, computer and capture apparently.

also i feel due to the time stopping and starting the vid has been edited -by someone, it was also noted that when she appears to talk to whomever is to the right-her mouth becomes pixilated.
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She simply does not act as any rational person would if they were in danger. If she was being stalked why not call for help on the elevator intercom, or just run down the hall?

Also, it's doubtful that any murder would take the time to dump her body where it was found.
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Yes!!! I don't know if she was talking but it looked like she smiled and that's why it became pixelated. Again someone pressed the elevator button from closing who was really close to that emergency door. That person had more than enough time to press it and run out behind it. If you notice when the door doesn't close right away she still stand's there and only then makes a move. And after that she hides in the corner looking right in the direction of the emergency door.
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She simply does not act as any rational person would if they were in danger. If she was being stalked why not call for help on the elevator intercom, or just run down the hall?

Also, it's doubtful that any murder would take the time to dump her body where it was found.
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Her BODY WAS FOUND INSIDE A FUCKING WATER TANK! I just watched some footage of where she was found and NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO FALL IN THERE HERSELF. What you are saying is totally fucking stupid. She was not found for almost 22 days. It was the perfect spot. No smell and it would be the last place anyone would look. Who knows how long she could have been in that tank if no one reported anything.
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She hid in the water tank

Either to hide from someone

Or just was high on something and went to the
Tank on her own
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She hid in the water tank

Either to hide from someone

Or just was high on something and went to the
Tank on her own
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She hid in the water tank

Either to hide from someone

Or just was high on something and went to the
Tank on her own
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She hid in the water tank

Either to hide from someone

Or just was high on something and went to the
Tank on her own
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Why would you go hiding on the roof top of any building? That's the last place anyone in the right mind would hide. Unless you are spider man or a parkour master who can jump from one roof to another, you are fucked!
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She hid in the water tank

Either to hide from someone

Or just was high on something and went to the
Tank on her own
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Dude I really doubt she was high. Although I wonder why it looks to me as though she was smiling at one point inside the elevator.
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She was definitely high on something. Perhaps in some Zen moment and being oriental, she decided to become one with the hotel in both body and mind.
And lets not forget with everyone else that took the opportunity to drink from her trough.
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She acts like a deaf person.

Was she deaf?
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Anyone who can read body language can tell that she was in danger in that video...poor girl :(

I wonder how much experience she had with traveling alone in the past, and maybe was a bit naive with her trust?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the thread OP, great work...

hf
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She acts like a deaf person.

Was she deaf?
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The only reason why I think she would be don't those things with her hands at first is to stop the elevator and then as though she was saying something out of frustration and counting on her fingers and grabbing them while she was doing it. I don't think she was deaf.
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She acts like a deaf person.

Was she deaf?
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That's a good observation and question. Makes you wonder why she didn't scream for help at some point if she was being followed.
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Anyone who can read body language can tell that she was in danger in that video...poor girl :(

I wonder how much experience she had with traveling alone in the past, and maybe was a bit naive with her trust?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the thread OP, great work...

hf
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Thank you very much. Before I wrote this I had only watched the video of her in the elevator a couple of times. After I started this thread I watched some news clips of what was happening. As I originally though that she was very close to the roof of the hotel, in the news clip it was said she was last seen on the 31st floor.
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She acts like a deaf person.

Was she deaf?
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not sure is she was deaf,but someone said in another thread she the weird movements were sign language-they apparently thought some of the words she signed were friend, computer, and capture?it does look like signing to me-except i dont know sign language.
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Her BODY WAS FOUND INSIDE A FUCKING WATER TANK! I just watched some footage of where she was found and NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO FALL IN THERE HERSELF. What you are saying is totally fucking stupid. She was not found for almost 22 days. It was the perfect spot. No smell and it would be the last place anyone would look. Who knows how long she could have been in that tank if no one reported anything.


Dude -

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a disoriented person would go to the roof of a hotel see a water tank and decide to take a swim.

If she may with foul play, presumably regardless of 22 days in the water her cause of death would be discoverable (except maybe forced drowning). Why wouldn't LE immediately and say she was strangled or beaten or stabbed.

BTW go F yourself Sherlock.
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im glad that your picking up on this news. i brought this up here earlier

Thread: americans raped and killed chinese tourist and dumped body in hotel water tank

it is obvious she was being stalked
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Her BODY WAS FOUND INSIDE A FUCKING WATER TANK! I just watched some footage of where she was found and NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO FALL IN THERE HERSELF. What you are saying is totally fucking stupid. She was not found for almost 22 days. It was the perfect spot. No smell and it would be the last place anyone would look. Who knows how long she could have been in that tank if no one reported anything.
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Dude -

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a disoriented person would go to the roof of a hotel see a water tank and decide to take a swim.

If she may with foul play, presumably regardless of 22 days in the water her cause of death would be discoverable (except maybe forced drowning). Why wouldn't LE immediately and say she was strangled or beaten or stabbed.

BTW go F yourself Sherlock.


You must be high and disoriented with the nonsense that you are saying. Just go and look at some pictures of those water reservoirs. You don't just take of the top and say im going for a swim. First off you need to climb a ladder to get to the top. Then you need to open a fucking hatch. That hatch is not that big. Now what you are trying to tell me is that a person FUCKED UP ON DRUGS AND DISORIENTED would go on the ROOF TOP, find those 4 water tanks and in their fucked up condition decide to CLIMB UP ONE OF THEM AND THEN TAKE A SWIM OR HIDE?
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im glad that your picking up on this news. i brought this up here earlier

Thread: americans raped and killed chinese tourist and dumped body in hotel water tank

it is obvious she was being stalked
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35002222


This makes more sense now if she was a tourist and would explain those hand gestures. If she didn't speak english well she would only be able to use hand gestures in the manner she did.
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LSD or something other mind altering drug I wreckon
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I sincerely hope they catch whoever did this. Whover(s) that would do such a heinously horrible thing should not even be alive and walking on this earth anymore, they need to die, they are not even human. This story has bothered me so much ever since I heard it. And it upsets me so much that whoever(s) did this is still walking around somewhere.
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What's the name of the movie where a girl is being drowned in a water tank on the roof of an appartment building? Dark water or something....
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Her BODY WAS FOUND INSIDE A FUCKING WATER TANK! I just watched some footage of where she was found and NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO FALL IN THERE HERSELF. What you are saying is totally fucking stupid. She was not found for almost 22 days. It was the perfect spot. No smell and it would be the last place anyone would look. Who knows how long she could have been in that tank if no one reported anything.
 Quoting: westboundnup


Dude -

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a disoriented person would go to the roof of a hotel see a water tank and decide to take a swim.

If she may with foul play, presumably regardless of 22 days in the water her cause of death would be discoverable (except maybe forced drowning). Why wouldn't LE immediately and say she was strangled or beaten or stabbed.

BTW go F yourself Sherlock.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6250363


You must be high and disoriented with the nonsense that you are saying. Just go and look at some pictures of those water reservoirs. You don't just take of the top and say im going for a swim. First off you need to climb a ladder to get to the top. Then you need to open a fucking hatch. That hatch is not that big. Now what you are trying to tell me is that a person FUCKED UP ON DRUGS AND DISORIENTED would go on the ROOF TOP, find those 4 water tanks and in their fucked up condition decide to CLIMB UP ONE OF THEM AND THEN TAKE A SWIM OR HIDE?


IT'S POSSIBLE, NO? All of the reasons you listed are reasons why a murderer wouldn't decide to put her in a tank.

The one real mystery is how she got access to the roof.
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What's the name of the movie where a girl is being drowned in a water tank on the roof of an appartment building? Dark water or something....
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It's called darkwater. There is an english and japanese version. Japanese is original.

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