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Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?

 
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:japandrum: Most Japanese are intelligent, stop giving your country a bad name.
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I don't think most of us Japanese are
Intelligent. Maybe some are but most are average.

But it's just an observation about the old testament. I don't like the vibe it giving off. It's too restrictive for me. The energy feels like a fake light. I dunno whether it's adonai or lucifer whose fake but the old testament in
My book is written by a fake god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35002685


The thing is OP, most white losers here want to be Japanese.
After watching anime all day long on their computers,
they've all lost all sense of humanity. They cant differentiate between cartoons, fantasy and real life.

To them
All Japanese are intelligent.
All Jews are rich.
All muslims are terrorists.
All Christians are pedophiles.
All blacks are on welfare.

You get the gist.

peacepeacepeace
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The Jews carry out the mission of Lucifer... to spread the light, or the possibilities (via hollywood/music, multiculturalism, etc.) and thereby crash the matrix. How? The matrix is built on uniform thought processes. The light that informs one spirit can distract the ego of another. Through natural free will the two go their separate ways and the matrix breaks down. It's why they get hated on a lot by dictators and those heavily based in cultural pride. When you get comfortable in a prison cell you tend to scoff at the guy trying to sneak you in the master key.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


I don't buy it.
We would have very different education system if that was to be true. Yet we are being reeled into slavery for worthless paper notes. Our tastes are molded, our wants designed.

However, beyond any doubt I find that God The Father is reality. And Lucifer is not that father.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35004347


Their job isn't to rescue us, but to provide the tools and lay down the symbolism so that a fork in the road is created... some will go left, some will go right. Jew controlled pop culture makes a joke of public education anyway. If you want to truly learn, you'll find a way.
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This
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Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


Seriously? Someone's doing this?

...

Well... I suppose I'll just have to take a seat.

rex
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According to Rabi Finkelstein, Lucifer fell on earth 75.000 years ago.

This period in human history is liked with rapid brain power increase, speech ability developing, better hunting tools, etc.

Don't forget that OT revels us that fallen angels can have children with women.

Makes you wonder.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35004347


THIS ^^^

At least Jews are smarter than most Christians,

A talking snake, really? Is that what Christians teach in sunday school still?

Lucifer was simply from another planet. and he mated with Eve and had kids, Those kids started making metals, technology etc..cause they inherited their Fathers intelligence. Not hard to figure out.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Aren't you confusing Lucifer with Tubal-Cain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
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Lucifer
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Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
According to Rabi Finkelstein, Lucifer fell on earth 75.000 years ago.

This period in human history is liked with rapid brain power increase, speech ability developing, better hunting tools, etc.

Don't forget that OT revels us that fallen angels can have children with women.

Makes you wonder.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35004347


THIS ^^^

At least Jews are smarter than most Christians,

A talking snake, really? Is that what Christians teach in sunday school still?

Lucifer was simply from another planet. and he mated with Eve and had kids, Those kids started making metals, technology etc..cause they inherited their Fathers intelligence. Not hard to figure out.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Aren't you confusing Lucifer with Tubal-Cain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
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The thing is OP, most white losers here want to be Japanese.
After watching anime all day long on their computers,
they've all lost all sense of humanity. They cant differentiate between cartoons, fantasy and real life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1711362


Why does Anime have such sharp, defined line drawings?
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Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
The Jews carry out the mission of Lucifer... to spread the light, or the possibilities (via hollywood/music, multiculturalism, etc.) and thereby crash the matrix. How? The matrix is built on uniform thought processes. The light that informs one spirit can distract the ego of another. Through natural free will the two go their separate ways and the matrix breaks down. It's why they get hated on a lot by dictators and those heavily based in cultural pride. When you get comfortable in a prison cell you tend to scoff at the guy trying to sneak you in the master key.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


I don't buy it.
We would have very different education system if that was to be true. Yet we are being reeled into slavery for worthless paper notes. Our tastes are molded, our wants designed.

However, beyond any doubt I find that God The Father is reality. And Lucifer is not that father.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35004347


Their job isn't to rescue us, but to provide the tools and lay down the symbolism so that a fork in the road is created... some will go left, some will go right. Jew controlled pop culture makes a joke of public education anyway. If you want to truly learn, you'll find a way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


The best way to find out whether someone is lying to you, is to say nothing. As the convincing goes further on, and involuntary smiles appear, you'll have your answer...
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Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


threadhi

Even pure light is deception if one is blind.
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this is the most antisemetic thread I have read all day

we must never forget the Holocaust
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Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


Because Lucifer is the "light bearer" in our DNA that makes us human.

:DNA intuition:

The Phosp-Horus in each of us. Without phosphorus, consciousness and spiritual energy would not exist. It is what makes us human.

:Meditation:

The phosphorus atom has the characteristic of firing in our blood. This is why those who worshiped the Baal, AKA the Father and Lord, had instituted fire-worship such as the Druids who would be the descendants of the same Jews you speak of.

:Temple:

“The soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Le 17:14). For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Leviticus 17:11

:DNA nceint Drawi:

The father is Amun or Amon which is our Hippocampus (Ammon's Horn) in which the father of the temple resides.

:Jupiter Amon:

He is the most high.

:Moses Amon:
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


So the bible is the message of adonai or Lucifer?

Because if the controlling psychopathic God of the old testament is what the Jews follow, that does not go in accordance with how Lucifer the light bearer who wants to liberate us from darkness. In my opinion, Old testament has scary vibe. Is this Lucifer or Adonai?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27593243


Religion has always been partially about "mind and soul control" of the profane. Nothing controls better than induing fear into humans to then cause the desired effect that you wish which is control. Hence, many stories are told to induce fear and this results in control of the mind and soul.

This method using words to control was chosen over the simple methods of using a swords or knifes to elicit the same end goal. One can say this is evil or humane for the judge is in the eye of the beholder. I look at religion has a divine plan for the benefit of all mankind that was corruputed by men who became selfish or immoral with that power.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Excellent GW ! about the Phosphorus/Horus. We also can see Horus as Horizon, Set as Sun Set..
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Hasatan is everywhere, not just plugged into one being or culture, Jews and Gentiles all have their fair share of corruption. Be very aware you are not deceived and lured into Babylon and her plight. The Jews killed Yeshua and the Christians created man made religion just as the Jews did. You can argue the God/No God thing all day. At the Day of Judgment you will have the choice of a Lake of Fire or accepting Yeshua and your Lord. Debate is actually pointless unless you feel you may be making a wrong decision and would like to investigate further by testing which testing is what we all do.
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Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


threadhi

Even pure light is deception if one is blind.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


Indeed. We know who the blind god is. The Blind leading the

blind.
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*cough cough* second of third *cough cough*
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Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


The Bible is trying to teach you something. Look at the old and new testament as ying and yang.

Lucifer is probably having a really good time with Jesus as we speak.
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Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


threadhi

Even pure light is deception if one is blind.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


Indeed. We know who the blind god is. The Blind leading the

blind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


If you cannot discern someones point of view, why should they explain it to you?
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Totally.
Two different groups of people wrote those books
What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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The Jews carry out the mission of Lucifer... to spread the light, or the possibilities (via hollywood/music, multiculturalism, etc.) and thereby crash the matrix. How? The matrix is built on uniform thought processes. The light that informs one spirit can distract the ego of another. Through natural free will the two go their separate ways and the matrix breaks down. It's why they get hated on a lot by dictators and those heavily based in cultural pride. When you get comfortable in a prison cell you tend to scoff at the guy trying to sneak you in the master key.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


o.O
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the first will be last, the last first, captivity captive.
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THIS ^^^

At least Jews are smarter than most Christians,

A talking snake, really? Is that what Christians teach in sunday school still?

Lucifer was simply from another planet. and he mated with Eve and had kids, Those kids started making metals, technology etc..cause they inherited their Fathers intelligence. Not hard to figure out.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Aren't you confusing Lucifer with Tubal-Cain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


You are the one who was already deceived before you even starting conversing with AI this morning. Lucifer is Phosphorus like I had already explained above.

Manly P. Hall says this about Tubal Cain, "The Mason must 'follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare.' "


Regards,

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Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


The Bible is trying to teach you something. Look at the old and new testament as ying and yang.

Lucifer is probably having a really good time with Jesus as we speak.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065


trio
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The Jews carry out the mission of Lucifer... to spread the light, or the possibilities (via hollywood/music, multiculturalism, etc.) and thereby crash the matrix. How? The matrix is built on uniform thought processes. The light that informs one spirit can distract the ego of another. Through natural free will the two go their separate ways and the matrix breaks down. It's why they get hated on a lot by dictators and those heavily based in cultural pride. When you get comfortable in a prison cell you tend to scoff at the guy trying to sneak you in the master key.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791



hmm
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The Jews carry out the mission of Lucifer... to spread the light, or the possibilities (via hollywood/music, multiculturalism, etc.) and thereby crash the matrix. How? The matrix is built on uniform thought processes. The light that informs one spirit can distract the ego of another. Through natural free will the two go their separate ways and the matrix breaks down. It's why they get hated on a lot by dictators and those heavily based in cultural pride. When you get comfortable in a prison cell you tend to scoff at the guy trying to sneak you in the master key.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


o.O
 Quoting: eos


Absolutely. I agree, there are many movies sneaking the truth to us in the veil of imagination and creative licence, when in fact, its a former hostage trying to sneak a riddled note to the other hostages that were about to be freed.

Crash the matrix, absolutely..

Music also speaks to us in the voice of Pan, pan and his pan pipes. Christians once called Music the tool of Satan, when Jewish people loved music and used it as a gift from God..
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Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


threadhi

Even pure light is deception if one is blind.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


Indeed. We know who the blind god is. The Blind leading the

blind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


If you cannot discern someones point of view, why should they explain it to you?
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


...


Aren't you confusing Lucifer with Tubal-Cain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


You are the one who was already deceived before you even starting conversing with AI this morning. Lucifer is Phosphorus like I had already explained above.

Manly P. Hall says this about Tubal Cain, "The Mason must 'follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare.' "


 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Azeratel Axo: I already know his "point of view".

Gnostic Warrior: Birds of a feather flock together.

It is actually quite amusing that you of all people speak of

deception.
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OP, the Jews do not believe in Lucifer. Lucifer is from the Latin Vulgate Bible. There is no Lucifer in a Jewish Bible.
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wrong, but anyways...Yahweh is G-d
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Prove me wrong, idiot. Cite the verse where you find the name Lucifer in a Jewish Bible. Idiot
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Can somebody here clarify knowledge that I have heard about Lucifer and Jews that I have heard.

This is what I learnt from religious head.

1) Jews are Gods(Lucifers) chosen people.
2) Lucifer uses Jewish people for his mission
3) Lucifer/Jews do good things which appears on the surface to be evil.
4) God does grand work that may look like evil on the surface.

a) The elites have brainwashed us into think that money is everything and have binded us with money.
b) There is going to be a guy/system/people that will come out that will break down this money system.( They might call him the nobody on GLP or antichrist?).

What I do not understand is Money system was adopted by Lucifer and its also going to be broken down by Lucifer who sends this special guy aka nobody???

Do tell!
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Because Lucifer is the "light bearer" in our DNA that makes us human.

DNA intuition

The Phosp-Horus in each of us. Without phosphorus, consciousness and spiritual energy would not exist. It is what makes us human.

Meditation

The phosphorus atom has the characteristic of firing in our blood. This is why those who worshiped the Baal, AKA the Father and Lord, had instituted fire-worship such as the Druids who would be the descendants of the same Jews you speak of.

Temple

“The soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Le 17:14). For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Leviticus 17:11

DNA nceint Drawi

The father is Amun or Amon which is our Hippocampus (Ammon's Horn) in which the father of the temple resides.

Jupiter Amon

He is the most high.

Moses Amon
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


So the bible is the message of adonai or Lucifer?

Because if the controlling psychopathic God of the old testament is what the Jews follow, that does not go in accordance with how Lucifer the light bearer who wants to liberate us from darkness. In my opinion, Old testament has scary vibe. Is this Lucifer or Adonai?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27593243


Religion has always been partially about "mind and soul control" of the profane. Nothing controls better than induing fear into humans to then cause the desired effect that you wish which is control. Hence, many stories are told to induce fear and this results in control of the mind and soul.

This method using words to control was chosen over the simple methods of using a swords or knifes to elicit the same end goal. One can say this is evil or humane for the judge is in the eye of the beholder. I look at religion has a divine plan for the benefit of all mankind that was corruputed by men who became selfish or immoral with that power.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Excellent GW ! about the Phosphorus/Horus. We also can see Horus as Horizon, Set as Sun Set..
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Thanks ELNATHAN APOLLYON!!!

I see Horus as Horizon bro and Set as Sun Set. As you often say, everything is in divine order even though at times it may appear like complete chaos. We must flow like water in these times.

FIAT LUX
Regards,

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Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461



 Quoting: MV8yMTQ5MjgxXzM2MzE3NDEwXzc2NkU5QkUz


Not trying to deceive its just not time yet.
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Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


Because Lucifer is the "light bearer" in our DNA that makes us human.

:DNA intuition:

The Phosp-Horus in each of us. Without phosphorus, consciousness and spiritual energy would not exist. It is what makes us human.

:Meditation:

The phosphorus atom has the characteristic of firing in our blood. This is why those who worshiped the Baal, AKA the Father and Lord, had instituted fire-worship such as the Druids who would be the descendants of the same Jews you speak of.

:Temple:

“The soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Le 17:14). For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Leviticus 17:11

:DNA nceint Drawi:

The father is Amun or Amon which is our Hippocampus (Ammon's Horn) in which the father of the temple resides.

:Jupiter Amon:

He is the most high.

:Moses Amon:
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


So the bible is the message of adonai or Lucifer?

Because if the controlling psychopathic God of the old testament is what the Jews follow, that does not go in accordance with how Lucifer the light bearer who wants to liberate us from darkness. In my opinion, Old testament has scary vibe. Is this Lucifer or Adonai?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27593243


The God of the OT was not psycho pathic, he was trying to funnel a select group of people into a long term evolutionary plan to find the people with the most "light" in their DNA so to speak.. All of us are LIGHT. The neurons in the brain fire off with electric impulses that can be seen firing and flashing like city lights.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


The god of the old testament?? The god of OT was a murdering, controlling, punishing, patriarchal god of fear. Humans become enlightened thru Love and Compassion not war and "selection". Our "city lights" as you put it turn on ever brighter when we lay down our weapons against each other. This is how it is and has been and always will be.
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The Jews carry out the mission of Lucifer... to spread the light, or the possibilities (via hollywood/music, multiculturalism, etc.) and thereby crash the matrix. How? The matrix is built on uniform thought processes. The light that informs one spirit can distract the ego of another. Through natural free will the two go their separate ways and the matrix breaks down. It's why they get hated on a lot by dictators and those heavily based in cultural pride. When you get comfortable in a prison cell you tend to scoff at the guy trying to sneak you in the master key.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


I don't buy it.
We would have very different education system if that was to be true. Yet we are being reeled into slavery for worthless paper notes. Our tastes are molded, our wants designed.

However, beyond any doubt I find that God The Father is reality. And Lucifer is not that father.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35004347


what the guy says has struck me aswell

and thats what im working on .. independence from the matrix :)
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Aren't you confusing Lucifer with Tubal-Cain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


Please, I dont have to explain it here..the story of Tubal Cain is not allowed for open public exposure.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Oh my...did I strike a nerve? You know better AI. Why do you continue to deceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005461


You are the one who was already deceived before you even starting conversing with AI this morning. Lucifer is Phosphorus like I had already explained above.

Manly P. Hall says this about Tubal Cain, "The Mason must 'follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare.' "


 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


They talk a lot but mean very little to most people.
I assume they were naturally in love with their own voice and thought.

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