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Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?

 
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Kabbalists, demon worshipers, it's how they obtain power and control. They have no empathy. It is not all jews who participate but in my opinion they are all suspect. As any indian can tell you demons are very real, and exist right beyond the range of our perception is another 'dimension'


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Azeratel Axo: 1+1=3

And this is the system you defend GW? Do you consider that

Noble?
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hmm

My apologies again... I misspoke.
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No harm done.

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Why are people so gullible and stupid? Lucifer is not in the damn Jewish Bible!! Geez!
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Its a translation of Morning Star. Of course King Solomon had a Venus observatory in the Temple.. to measure its cycles..It foretold the rise and fall of Kings.

Every Jewish King had to rely on the expertise of the Astrologers, being that the tribes were arrayed under their zodiac. Its a Christian lie that astrology and Judaism werent together.

People had to know the zodiac of their Tikkun, as well, point of correction.

:earthvenus:
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Life is like a game of soccer. It is not life and death.

The Jews have played it really well for the last hundred years.

It is time for us in the other team to stand up and kick some ass.

After all, the crowd has payed to see an exciting game.
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BTW, Heres a blog I did awhile back on the Lucifer name..

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Do you mind if I paste this on my thread?

Of course it will be quoted. peace
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Yes, feel free..

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One illiterate asking questions of other illiterates regarding the bible?
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BTW, Heres a blog I did awhile back on the Lucifer name..


BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?

COMPILED BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

It took me a few hours to write and qoute and compile. I did not copy and paste this. Thank you


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BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?


How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "


In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Last Edited by APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


lmao

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!"
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BTW, Heres a blog I did awhile back on the Lucifer name..


BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?

COMPILED BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

It took me a few hours to write and qoute and compile. I did not copy and paste this. Thank you


**************

BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?


How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "


In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Last Edited by APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON

All horseshit, Lucifer literally means bearer of light and Illuminati is derived from illumination. Why do you continually post nothing but new world horseshit when we all see the evil it represents? Evil is as evil does. Lucifer is a demon that trades knowledge for power.
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All goes back to fear of the mother godess religions that used to rule the show on earth.
...Venus Lucifera and the goddess Diana, whose title was Lucifera, the Light-bringer.
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Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
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Because Lucifer is the "light bearer" in our DNA that makes us human.

:DNA intuition:

The Phosp-Horus in each of us. Without phosphorus, consciousness and spiritual energy would not exist. It is what makes us human.

:Meditation:

The phosphorus atom has the characteristic of firing in our blood. This is why those who worshiped the Baal, AKA the Father and Lord, had instituted fire-worship such as the Druids who would be the descendants of the same Jews you speak of.

:Temple:

“The soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Le 17:14). For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Leviticus 17:11

:DNA nceint Drawi:

The father is Amun or Amon which is our Hippocampus (Ammon's Horn) in which the father of the temple resides.

:Jupiter Amon:

He is the most high.

:Moses Amon:
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Why are people so gullible and stupid? Lucifer is not in the damn Jewish Bible!! Geez!
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Its a translation of Morning Star. Of course King Solomon had a Venus observatory in the Temple.. to measure its cycles..It foretold the rise and fall of Kings.

Every Jewish King had to rely on the expertise of the Astrologers, being that the tribes were arrayed under their zodiac. Its a Christian lie that astrology and Judaism werent together.

People had to know the zodiac of their Tikkun, as well, point of correction.

:earthvenus:
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Hey, how did you get that? I did that on my spirograph 45 years ago
cruise
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According to Rabi Finkelstein, Lucifer fell on earth 75.000 years ago.

This period in human history is liked with rapid brain power increase, speech ability developing, better hunting tools, etc.

Don't forget that OT revels us that fallen angels can have children with women.

Makes you wonder.
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THIS ^^^

At least Jews are smarter than most Christians,

A talking snake, really? Is that what Christians teach in sunday school still?

Lucifer was simply from another planet. and he mated with Eve and had kids, Those kids started making metals, technology etc..cause they inherited their Fathers intelligence. Not hard to figure out.
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It may be. Snakes don't make babies. More likely, he had a character of a snake. Is that's why women love to be told what's obviously not true? Could be.

Another interesting thing, one of ten tribe, the Dan tribe moved to northern Europe.

Their symbol was the serpent.

The ancient Spartans are descendants of these people, the Danites, a war-like tribe that came to Europe known also as Sarmatians.

The interesting part is, most historians agree that protoslavic tribes were in fact Scytho-Sarmatian.

Now, if they created communism, which is nothing but sham.
Yet was revered as religion, for the better part of my upbringing... I'm not sure what to think about OT either.

It could all well be their historical prank. They had thousands of years to think it all over, unlike we did.

We are kids comparing to them. That's why we kill each other instead realize the root of evil.

Finkelstain says in his interview: "we tell them to worship Jesus, so they do it".

You be the judge.
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"Snakes don't make babies. More likely, he had a character of a snake. Is that's why women love to be told what's obviously not true? Could be."



Maybe that is why I don't believe anything nor trust anything coming out of anyone's mouth. When men speak and tell me something,I think the total opposite.
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Kabbalists, demon worshipers, it's how they obtain power and control. They have no empathy. It is not all jews who participate but in my opinion they are all suspect. As any indian can tell you demons are very real, and exist right beyond the range of our perception is another 'dimension'



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All horseshit, Lucifer literally means bearer of light and Illuminati is derived from illumination. Why do you continually post nothing but new world horseshit when we all see the evil it represents? Evil is as evil does. Lucifer is a demon that trades knowledge for power.
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homeruhh

Self-contradictory statement

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Why are people so gullible and stupid? Lucifer is not in the damn Jewish Bible!! Geez!
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Its a translation of Morning Star. Of course King Solomon had a Venus observatory in the Temple.. to measure its cycles..It foretold the rise and fall of Kings.

Every Jewish King had to rely on the expertise of the Astrologers, being that the tribes were arrayed under their zodiac. Its a Christian lie that astrology and Judaism werent together.

People had to know the zodiac of their Tikkun, as well, point of correction.

:earthvenus:
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Hey, how did you get that? I did that on my spirograph 45 years ago
cruise
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It is an inside out E8 lie group.

E8BlankLie
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Why are people so gullible and stupid? Lucifer is not in the damn Jewish Bible!! Geez!
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Its a translation of Morning Star. Of course King Solomon had a Venus observatory in the Temple.. to measure its cycles..It foretold the rise and fall of Kings.

Every Jewish King had to rely on the expertise of the Astrologers, being that the tribes were arrayed under their zodiac. Its a Christian lie that astrology and Judaism werent together.

People had to know the zodiac of their Tikkun, as well, point of correction.

:earthvenus:
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Hey, how did you get that? I did that on my spirograph 45 years ago
cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 1181905


I know Christians are very illiterate in terms of scientific education. Ill explain most simply.

The spiral is the venus transits




Venus and Earth is a love story. Lucifer and Earth is a Love Story. Condemned for who he loved, he was cast down from the heights . Its why we describe love as "Falling" Saying, I fell in love. It is the memories of Lucifers love (the serpent tempting Eve)

VENUS AS LUCIFER: She/he is both Morningstar and Eveningstar in the sky in one calendar year detailing the underworld initiation of Ishtar/Inanna. When she falls out of view to the horizon, she is "Fallen" How art thou fallen" When Venus rises, she is attempting to "set her throne up high"

Enjoy the embrace and the dance of love and the five pointed flower or star with Earth.

Here is the true face of Satan and the Evil Pentagram.

We will finish one of these evil pentagrams in June 5,6th 2012 at the Venus transit. Many will be celebrating around the world. Last Venus transit was on June 8th, 2004.

QOUTE from NASA

Transits of Venus across the disk of the Sun are among the rarest of planetary alignments. Indeed, only six such events have occurred since the invention of the telescope (1631, 1639, 1761, 1769, 1874 and 1882). The next two transits of Venus will occur on 2004 June 08 and 2012 June 06.

The 2004 transit crosses the Sun's southern hemisphere while the 2012 event crosses the northern hemisphere. The position of Venus at each contact is shown along with its path as a function of Universal Time. Each transit lasts over six hours.








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Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
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All horseshit, Lucifer literally means bearer of light and Illuminati is derived from illumination. Why do you continually post nothing but new world horseshit when we all see the evil it represents? Evil is as evil does. Lucifer is a demon that trades knowledge for power.
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homeruhh

Self-contradictory statement

MAKA engine failure

please restart brain
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


Not all knowledge is good, like for instance when you keep it to yourself and use it to control others at their expense.

You have a very shallow mind
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Not all knowledge is good, like for instance when you keep it to yourself and use it to control others at their expense.

You have a very shallow mind
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We all play the same game in this life.
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Not all knowledge is good, like for instance when you keep it to yourself and use it to control others at their expense.

You have a very shallow mind
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We all play the same game in this life.
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Perhaps, but when the rules are different for some that others the 'game' is not a fair competition, is it?
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Not all knowledge is good, like for instance when you keep it to yourself and use it to control others at their expense.

You have a very shallow mind
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We all play the same game in this life.
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Perhaps, but when the rules are different for some that others the 'game' is not a fair competition, is it?
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For whom are the rules different?
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Not all knowledge is good, like for instance when you keep it to yourself and use it to control others at their expense.

You have a very shallow mind
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We all play the same game in this life.
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That is another misCONception.

The usual suspects are caught in their own web of deception.
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Lucifer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the biblical figure. For other uses, see Lucifer (disambiguation).


William Blake's illustration of Lucifer as presented in John Milton's Paradise Lost
Lucifer (pron.: /ˈluːsɪfər/ or /ˈljuːsɪfər/) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêlēl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star, Lucifer".[1] The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,[2] which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[3][4] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus" (or, as an adjective, "light-bringing").[5] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος[6][7] (heōsphoros),[8][9][10] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.[11] Kaufmann Kohler says that the Greek Septuagint translation is "Phosphoros".[2]
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:japandrum: Most Japanese are intelligent, stop giving your country a bad name.
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I don't think most of us Japanese are
Intelligent. Maybe some are but most are average.

But it's just an observation about the old testament. I don't like the vibe it giving off. It's too restrictive for me. The energy feels like a fake light. I dunno whether it's adonai or lucifer whose fake but the old testament in
My book is written by a fake god.
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:japand2: I think that you need someone to drum some sense into you.
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maybe you should try to understand what OP is saying in stead of giving one of your fanatic reactions..
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BTW, Heres a blog I did awhile back on the Lucifer name..


BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?

COMPILED BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

It took me a few hours to write and qoute and compile. I did not copy and paste this. Thank you


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BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?


How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "


In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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Except that Lucifer is the old Roman name for Venus as a morning star. It appeared before the Sun and was the "bringer of light"
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Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Eye see. Linear time and the Metatronic

distortion. You are still trying to feed off whatever is

still available. Mechanical parasites.
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You know if I were to

Post in this style, a discerning Left Eye

may see something

odd about it.
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...


If you cannot discern someones point of view, why should they explain it to you?
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...


You are the one who was already deceived before you even starting conversing with AI this morning. Lucifer is Phosphorus like I had already explained above.

Manly P. Hall says this about Tubal Cain, "The Mason must 'follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare.' "


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Azeratel Axo: I already know his "point of view".

Gnostic Warrior: Birds of a feather flock together.

It is actually quite amusing that you of all people speak of

deception.
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No, we sons of the morning who are eternal souls of the brotherhood of the quest with the task of keeping the fire which is the light and truth on this planet. True gnostics who are to serve you, but often we are attacked and persecuted by these same profane humans. Nothing is new under the sun and in this year 2013, it is A LOT different than in the inquisition because the facts are that we are not being killed for our words.

One cannot be deceived who is wise enough to realize most everything is a deception. A deception to extract their energy and very life essence from within them to then be focused without. This is how our whole system operates.


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Azeratel Axo: 1+1=3

And this is the system you defend GW? Do you consider that

Noble?
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My goal is to defend nobility and fight the corruption of human abuse with a focused attention. I hope to be the change and I feel my works over the years are testament to this fact.

The system has become inhumane and a destroyer of nature and the human essence. This I do not condone, but I see the light on the horizon. I do my best to find the good in the bad and bad in the good as I do when reflecting on myself because the facts are this system, mankind and myself are far from perfect. However, in the coming years and decades, we will work on this human flaw as unified effort to change where we have all gone astray.

I AM doing this the best that I can with myself and family. If we all would do this collectively, then we would be and see the change.
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After reading "5" pages of people breaking this down, here is my take on the subject......


Although "the devil" looms large in the popular imagination, the term occurs relatively infrequently in the Christian Testament and not at all in the Jewish scriptures. From the Greek word diabolos, devil means "accuser" or "slanderer." Revelation 12:9-12 identifies "the devil" with the Genesis serpent and the Hebrew "Satan," but this correlation took place very late in biblical history, appearing first in pseudepigraphal works like the "Books of Adam and Eve."



Despite this late identification of the two figures, "the Satan" of the Jewish scriptures is not the same entity as the "Devil" of the Christian texts. The concepts rendered by these two different terms developed independently of each other. The word Satan derives from a Hebrew root meaning "obstacle"; personified (given human qualities), it means "opposer" or "adversary."



Viewed from a purely historical perspective, the Satan figure evolved from the psychic shadow of Yahweh himself. According to some historians, the Satan emerges from negative elements in God's morally ambiguous character and eventually becomes an embodiment of all the violent and destructive attributes once considered part of the divine nature. This historical development is evident if one traces the Satan concept chronologically from earliest to latest biblical references. At the outset, some Bible writers saw all things, good and evil alike, as emanating from a single source––God. Israel's strict monotheistic credo decreed that God alone caused both joys and sorrows, prosperity and punishment (Deut. 28). In the oldest literary source of Genesis, God first creates a world of sentient creatures, then "regrets" this creative work, annihilating virtually all living things, both animal and human (Gen. 6:6-8). At this stage in Israel's religious thinking, God is not only creator and destroyer, but is also represented as tormentor and deceiver. Thus, we read in 1 Samuel 16:14-23 that God personally sends an "evil spirit" to madden King Saul; in 1 Kings 22:18-28, he dispatches a "lying spirit" to mislead Ahab. Both these incidents show "evil" (defined from a human viewpoint and applied exclusively to disobedient people) as one of the means God employs to effect his will. As late as the sixth century BCE, the anonymous prophet called "Second Isaiah" presents God as the originator of both Light and Darkness, Good and Evil (Isa. 45:7).



Israel's writers reach a second stage of development when they place the source of human trouble not in God himself but in one of the bene ha Elohim (literally, "sons of the gods"). These mysterious beings are depicted as members of God's heavenly court; among them is "the Satan," who plays the role of "accusing" God's people and testing the loyalty of God's subjects, all the while maintaining his loyalty to the interests of God (Job 1-2; Zech. 3:1-9). Although the Satan is by this time an entity separate from God himself, he remains completely under the deity's control and thus functions as a manifestation of the deity's negative qualities, generating suspicion and demanding punishment for human frailty. In Job, God himself initiates a “game” with “Satan” (now a proper name), by suggesting and empowering the undeserved calamities that befall the faithful Job. By contrast, in Zechariah's vision of the celestial throne room, God resists the adversary's contempt for sinful humanity and wills his compassion and mercy to prevail.



It should be noted that, in each of the few scriptural passages in which the Satan is a personage, he is always the adversary of humanity, not of God. The Satan figure acts as God's spy and prosecuting attorney whose job it is to bring human misconduct to the deity's attention and, if possible, persuade God to punish it. Throughout the Jewish scriptures, the Satan remains among the divine "sons," serves as God's administrative agent, and thus reveals a facet of the divine personality.



The clearest example of Satan's assumption of the darker aspects of God's nature occurs in the two accounts of King David's census. In the first version, which some scholars date from the tenth century BCE, God puts it into David's head to sin by taking a census of Israel––always hated by the people because it was done for purposes of taxation and military conscription––for which act God punishes not David, but the people, with a plague (2 Sam. 24:1-25). In the second version, written hundreds of years later, it is not God but "the Satan" who inspires the census (1 Chron. 21:1-30); God only punishes. Evidently, with the passage of time and development of an expanded sense of justice, it was no longer possible to see God as both the cause and enemy of sin and as the vindictive avenger of sin as well. The negative qualities that earlier writers had assumed to be in their God were eventually transferred to his opposite.



Following the Babylonian exile (after 538 BCE), when Judah was dominated by the Persian Empire, Persian and other foreign religious ideas apparently infiltrated Jewish thinking. Zoroastrianism, the official Persian religion, was dualistic, holding that the universe was ruled by two opposing supernatural forces. The powers of Good (Light) were led by Ahura Mazda, while those of Evil (Dark) were directed by Ahriman, the Zoroastrian devil. According to this belief, at the end of time a climactic battle between Good and Evil would result in Evil's destruction and the triumph of Light. Until then, the two powers struggled incessantly, resulting in alternating elements of happiness and misery in human existence. This struggle took place in all of life--up in the “heavens,” on the earth, and within the individual. The cosmic powers could, of course, fly through the air (angels and demons), and it is at this point in Israel’s history that angels pick up their wings.



With its hierarchies of angels and demons, systems of rewards and punishments in an afterlife, and concept of all-good god waging war against a wicked opponent (the devil), Zoroastrianism strongly influenced later Hebrew ideas about the Satan as not only humanity's, but God's enemy also. Significantly, no Jewish literature written before the Persian period pictures the Satan as a unique individual. Only in post-exilic books like Tobit and Daniel are individual angels, such as Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, or demons, such as Asmodeus, given personal names. With the influx of Greek and other ideas following Alexander's conquest of the Near East in 330 BCE, views of an afterlife populated with angels and demons proliferated (many in the form of the their Greek counterparts of divine and semi-divine "heroes.") By New Testament times, Persian, Greek, Syrian, and other foreign notions had been thoroughly Hebraized and subordinated to the religion of Israel. After the first century CE, however, Judaism rejected many of these Persian or Hellenistic concepts. The final canonical Jewish scriptures grant the Satan scant space and little power.



It is in the non-canonical Jewish literature, which is usually referred to as either the pseudepigrapha ("false writings"), the "apochrypha," or "apocalyptic" literature, and which constituted most of the literature produced between the Persian period and the first century, that we find a new association for "Satan." This literature of the "intertestamental" period is predominantly influenced by the historical emergence of sectarian Judaism, or the creation of particular Jewish "sects." These groups all claimed to follow the fundamental precepts of Torah, but expressed different opinions as to specific interpretations of some legal aspects, what makes a person "righteous," and the degree of interaction with other "nations." It is this latter element that may have given rise to some of the sects, as a reaction to increasing Hellenization of Jews and Judaism after Alexander's conquest. Specific groups which emerged in the second century BCE include the Pharisees, Sadducees, Hassidim, Essenes, and perhaps the "fourth philosophy," described by Josephus as being particularly "zealous" for God.



The sectarian literature now equates "Satan" not only with evil, but specifically with anyone or any group not in agreement with their own. In other words, "Satan" is the enemy, either on a cosmic scale or on an earthly one; an enemy of God, or an enemy of God's "people." And it is this equation of Satan with the "enemy" that we find most often expressed in the New Testament canon--an equation that has continued into modern Christian doctrines. It is in this literature, specifically in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that we see the beginning of a process known as “the personification of evil,” by identifying “the other” (anyone outside and against the group), as the literal incarnation of the Devil or one of his agents—this concept has a long legacy in the Western tradition.



Whereas the Hebrew Satan can do nothing without God's express permission, in the New Testament the "Devil" behaves as an independent force who competes with the Creator for human souls. According to the temptation scenes in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), he even attempts to win the allegiance of Jesus of Nazareth. Interestingly, Jesus does not dispute Satan's claim to control the world or to offer it to whomever he wishes (Mark 1:12-13; Matt. 4:1-11; Luke 4:1-13). According to Mark's gospel, one of Jesus's major goals is to break up Satan's kingdom and the hold that he and lesser evil spirits exercise on the people. Hence, Mark stresses Jesus's works of exorcising devils and dispossessing the victims of demonic control. The New Testament then––in sharp contrast to the Jewish scriptures––shows Satan and "the Devil" as one, a focus of cosmic Evil totally opposed to the Creator God. This "Evil One" is the origin of lies, sin, suffering, sickness, and death. But his power is limited only to the present age; he is doomed to annihilation in Revelation's symbolic "lake of fire" (Rev. 20:1-5).



We also see the equation of Satan with enemy quite clearly demonstrated in the presentation of Jesus's opponents in the gospels. Satan "enters into" Judas to betray the Lord; we now see the shift in the focus of "blame" between Jewish scriptures and the New Testament. In the former, man himself is responsible for evil, whereas the latter accounts for evil, in part, by blaming an "outside" force--an early version of "the Devil made me do it." Hence all enemies of Jesus and his followers are under the influence of Satan, who is shown to control "this world." But we are told that Satan and his followers will have no place (and therefore, no power) in the "world to come."



The notable exception to Satan as an independent and external force in the gospels, influencing the "opposition" (Pharisees, scribes, Herodians, Sadducees, the high-priest, etc.), is found in the gospel of John. In this last gospel, the Jews can never receive salvation and can never believe because of something inherently basic to their physical inheritance--John claims that the Jews are "children of their father, the Devil." Thus, begins the long and tragic road of Christian anti-Semitism.
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Madonna is The Nobody's Mother
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Leopard Madonna

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If I wanted to rule the world I would create a bunch of religions. I would not need to fight or take over peoples, I would put them at odds with each other. I would instill the fear of, say, eternal damnation, to control their actions. I would build places of worship and convince them to donate, so as to collect voluntary taxes. I would hire thugs to rob and attack people, then come to their rescue, protect them, but only for a price. That would be involuntary taxes. I would create new taxes whenever possible. Eventually, after they still get robbed once in a while, I'd say, give me your gold and silver, I will keep it safe for you, here is some paper in its place. I would create religions that forbid usury so that I might loan at interest to them. Since the interest money is never printed, soon it will be impossible for them to service the debt. I can then buy up the whole world for next to nothing, only the cost of paper and ink. Religious books have been written by man, FACT. The book "The Cat in the Hat" was written by man, FACT. So, the book "The Cat in the Hat" is the word of God. Now, I must spend the rest of my life trying to decipher what God is trying to tell me within the confines of a kids book. If people disagree with my interpretation of that book, then they are my enemy. I am right. I know the truth, it is in my book. Since when did FAITH become FACT? Since when did BELIEF become KNOWLEDGE? Since when did someone whom you don't know, who has never wronged you, become your enemy. Because somebody told you its so?

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Witch one could she be? lol
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dont tell me its that whacko jannet napolitano... LOL! gosh shes so ugly.
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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I heard witches prefer the colour blue on Saturdays.

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