Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,598 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 679,093
Pageviews Today: 841,163Threads Today: 99Posts Today: 2,161
06:25 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 801546
United States
02/23/2013 12:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
:japandrum: Most Japanese are intelligent, stop giving your country a bad name.
 Quoting: 9teen


I don't think most of us Japanese are
Intelligent. Maybe some are but most are average.

But it's just an observation about the old testament. I don't like the vibe it giving off. It's too restrictive for me. The energy feels like a fake light. I dunno whether it's adonai or lucifer whose fake but the old testament in
My book is written by a fake god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35002685





The old testament, the New testament.....neither were written by a "God."



The closest EITHER of them could be to ANYTHING like that, is maybe they were divinely inspired, you know, the MEN who wrote the books in the old and new TESTaments.
MartianPrincess

User ID: 1302027
United States
02/23/2013 12:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Do you even know any Jews personally or are you just repeating what you read on the internet?

I'm a Reform Jew. I don't believe in Lucifer and our concept of G-d is a bit more... abstract than the Judeo Christian belief of a man who sits watching and judging. Also, when attending synagogue services, I have never once heard or witnessed anything "shady" or "demonic" in nature. Everything is singing chants and prayers about forgiveness, about getting along, about doing good. Nothing unkind is ever said about non-jews and we are always encouraged to speak, to communicate, to help others and to be good. All kinds of people attend: doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs, office workers, retired people. Some are great people, some I wouldn't waste my time on, but inside the temple, we are all the same. My favorite part is when we call in the children (there is an onsite daycare center we can use if we want) and we face each other, then we place our hands on their little heads and say a special blessing for our sons, and a separate one for our daughters, my daughter loves this as well. The blessings can be found here: [link to judaism.about.com]

Aside from the hebrew chants and prayers, it's not that much different than a Catholic mass (as my dad is Catholic I have attended those as well) except no Jesus and we don't do pagan things like "eating the body of" or "drinking the blood of". Or falling over speaking in tongues. We don't "recruit" people nor do we try to impose our beliefs on others.

What we all Jews share is thousands of years of history, of struggle, of survival. We are all interconnected by our DNA, that is what makes us stick together. Do we like money? The Jew has an unquenchable desire to provide for his/her family, it's inherent in us! We have a gift and are good at making money, but most of us are also extremely generous, as part of our dogma dictates that we help others and not just ourselves.

Everything is easily blamed on the Jews - you people confuse Zionism and Judaism and blame the evils of the world on "the Jews" while ignoring all of the bloodshed caused by you Christians and Catholics. What about the Chinese? The Japanese never did anything bad? Seriously?
You guys may make excellent electronics and technological advances but most of your businessmen, politicians and higher ups are pedophiles and into some sick perverse shit. You did horrible things to the Chinese and viceversa, so let's now discuss how that ties into your theological beliefs, shall we? Let's blame all the shit you did and continue to do (Fuku-fuking-shima, for fuck's sake) on your religious dogma. Make sense?

For fuck's sake, please take a good hard look at yourselves and all of your own sins and ask yourself - am I projecting my own self-hatred on an easy target like the Jews? Most people who claim to hate us know NOTHING about us. The scary part is you all could be anyone in the real world - my neighbor, a coworker, the cashier at the supermarket... scary shit and you all wonder why we only trust our own kind? You would too if you've been escaping extermination for thousands of years and still getting blamed and demonized for everything that is bad. Because the rest of the world didn't play a part in what we are seeing today, right?

stfugtfo
Occam's Razor, morans!
Irradiated Fish Dish
User ID: 18234481
Canada
02/23/2013 12:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Idol1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35002685

iamwithiamwithiamwith

Lucifer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the biblical figure. For other uses, see Lucifer (disambiguation).


William Blake's illustration of Lucifer as presented in John Milton's Paradise Lost
Lucifer (pron.: /ˈluːsɪfər/ or /ˈljuːsɪfər/) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêlēl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star, Lucifer".[1] The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,[2] which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[3][4] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus" (or, as an adjective, "light-bringing").[5] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος[6][7] (heōsphoros),[8][9][10] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.[11] Kaufmann Kohler says that the Greek Septuagint translation is "Phosphoros".[2]
 Quoting: Irradiated Fish Dish 18234481
Blitz the storm-striker

User ID: 35006472
Canada
02/23/2013 12:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
I heard witches prefer the colour blue on Saturdays.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


saturn day = worship of satan.

blue = water = higher density = deception = enki.
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31313630
United States
02/23/2013 12:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


why do gooks suck lucifer dick???
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35005461
United States
02/23/2013 12:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
The words sat means "true" and nam means "name".[1] In this instance (Satnam), this would mean, "whose name is truth".[2]

Satan (Hebrew: הַשָּׂטָ&#150​3; ha-Satan, "the opposer,"[1]) is a character appearing in the texts of the Abrahamic religions.[2][3]The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,” as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6.[4]

Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.”

So the "Hebrews" turned the "Truth" in to the Adversary or Enemy.

ZION/SION/SINO

Sino:
Definition of SINO-
1
: Chinese sinology>
2
: Chinese and Sino-Tibetan>


Sino-a combining form meaning “Chinese”: Sino-Tibetan; Sinology.


Sun Tzu- The Art of War


18. All warfare is based on deception.


Mossad Motto:"Where there is no guidance, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety."


Names: Attorney, counselor (counsel), solicitor, barrister, advocate


A lawyer, according to Black's Law Dictionary, is "a person learned in the law; as an attorney, counsel or solicitor; a person who is practicing law."[1]
MONSTER

User ID: 2122560
United States
02/23/2013 12:34 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
they believe in a God, so there has to be a bad guy if there is a good guy
KINGDOMS, NATIONS AND KINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THEIR KNEES WITH ONE GLANCE FROM A WOMAN.

I WEAR MY SKIN OF ARMOR SO NO ONE CAN GET IN AND NO ONE CAN GET OUT.

HOW CAN I MOURN YOU, WHEN I HAVE NEVER LET YOU GO, monster 1991-2008 RIP
anonomous coward
User ID: 2245642
United States
02/23/2013 12:38 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Jews are the spawn of Lucifer. That's why they do all the evil things they do. That's also why they deserve to exterminated once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35005676


Spoken like a true Nazi, come to my neighborhood and that way,
see how long you'll last.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25849677
Australia
02/23/2013 12:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
We dont believe in Lucifer! We believe he exists but we certainly dont follow him.

Peace and safety to you! x
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35005461
United States
02/23/2013 12:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
I heard witches prefer the colour blue on Saturdays.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


saturn day = worship of satan.

blue = water = higher density = deception = enki.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


Saturn/El/Enlil/Set/Moloch

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)

Think not that I have come to bring peace in the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.



JESUS IS THE KEY = 176 = LUCIFER IS THE LOCK

JESUS IS THE LOCK = 176 = LUCIFER IS THE KEY

ONE SEVEN SIX = 151 = MUSICAL TONES = MUSICAL NOTES = JESUS CHRIST = LORD OF HOSTS = CHRIST THE KING = THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB = JESUS IS LORD = LUCIFER IS LORD = BALANCE OF MALE AND FEMALE = HARMONY AND BALANCE = THE TWO KEYS

JESUS AND LUCIFER TWINS = 252 = CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS = ONE HUNDRED FORTY FOUR

[link to www.secretofnine.com]

That sword swings BOTH ways...
SuperPet225

User ID: 31308603
Colombia
02/23/2013 12:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


The jews are lucifer's people, they are the most demented sick fucks in the world and the most racist of all people, they want a war of blood to destroy all other races and submit the survivors to torture and use them as servants, their main book is the talmud and their old scholars are a bunch of old pedophile child killers who burn babies and fetuses to please their fire gods, these deranged bastards control the world economy because since ancient times they have invaded countless countries conquering, killing, stealing and eventually taken over the countries and leaving the survivors living in poverty and with endless debts, they enjoy cutting the shaft skin of little boy's penises and sucking on it's blood, they use old, unclean tools which cause severe diseases on those children but they enjoy it, most of them have businesses around the world, some are bankers, and most of them don't work but instead enjoy a good salary thanks to the poor fucks they employ who work like mad cunts to please these low life bastards, and so on and so on so go figure the rest, i could only compare jews to rats and the lowest of shits, they fucked our world so bad it's sad to even think about it, oh and also they killed and tortured Jesus, the savior of mankind, so what else can i saw about these low lifes?
SuperPet225
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14392840
United States
02/23/2013 12:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
After reading "5" pages of people breaking this down, here is my take on the subject......


Although "the devil" looms large in the popular imagination, the term occurs relatively infrequently in the Christian Testament and not at all in the Jewish scriptures. From the Greek word diabolos, devil means "accuser" or "slanderer." Revelation 12:9-12 identifies "the devil" with the Genesis serpent and the Hebrew "Satan," but this correlation took place very late in biblical history, appearing first in pseudepigraphal works like the "Books of Adam and Eve."



Despite this late identification of the two figures, "the Satan" of the Jewish scriptures is not the same entity as the "Devil" of the Christian texts. The concepts rendered by these two different terms developed independently of each other. The word Satan derives from a Hebrew root meaning "obstacle"; personified (given human qualities), it means "opposer" or "adversary."



Viewed from a purely historical perspective, the Satan figure evolved from the psychic shadow of Yahweh himself. According to some historians, the Satan emerges from negative elements in God's morally ambiguous character and eventually becomes an embodiment of all the violent and destructive attributes once considered part of the divine nature. This historical development is evident if one traces the Satan concept chronologically from earliest to latest biblical references. At the outset, some Bible writers saw all things, good and evil alike, as emanating from a single source––God. Israel's strict monotheistic credo decreed that God alone caused both joys and sorrows, prosperity and punishment (Deut. 28). In the oldest literary source of Genesis, God first creates a world of sentient creatures, then "regrets" this creative work, annihilating virtually all living things, both animal and human (Gen. 6:6-8). At this stage in Israel's religious thinking, God is not only creator and destroyer, but is also represented as tormentor and deceiver. Thus, we read in 1 Samuel 16:14-23 that God personally sends an "evil spirit" to madden King Saul; in 1 Kings 22:18-28, he dispatches a "lying spirit" to mislead Ahab. Both these incidents show "evil" (defined from a human viewpoint and applied exclusively to disobedient people) as one of the means God employs to effect his will. As late as the sixth century BCE, the anonymous prophet called "Second Isaiah" presents God as the originator of both Light and Darkness, Good and Evil (Isa. 45:7).



Israel's writers reach a second stage of development when they place the source of human trouble not in God himself but in one of the bene ha Elohim (literally, "sons of the gods"). These mysterious beings are depicted as members of God's heavenly court; among them is "the Satan," who plays the role of "accusing" God's people and testing the loyalty of God's subjects, all the while maintaining his loyalty to the interests of God (Job 1-2; Zech. 3:1-9). Although the Satan is by this time an entity separate from God himself, he remains completely under the deity's control and thus functions as a manifestation of the deity's negative qualities, generating suspicion and demanding punishment for human frailty. In Job, God himself initiates a “game” with “Satan” (now a proper name), by suggesting and empowering the undeserved calamities that befall the faithful Job. By contrast, in Zechariah's vision of the celestial throne room, God resists the adversary's contempt for sinful humanity and wills his compassion and mercy to prevail.



It should be noted that, in each of the few scriptural passages in which the Satan is a personage, he is always the adversary of humanity, not of God. The Satan figure acts as God's spy and prosecuting attorney whose job it is to bring human misconduct to the deity's attention and, if possible, persuade God to punish it. Throughout the Jewish scriptures, the Satan remains among the divine "sons," serves as God's administrative agent, and thus reveals a facet of the divine personality.



The clearest example of Satan's assumption of the darker aspects of God's nature occurs in the two accounts of King David's census. In the first version, which some scholars date from the tenth century BCE, God puts it into David's head to sin by taking a census of Israel––always hated by the people because it was done for purposes of taxation and military conscription––for which act God punishes not David, but the people, with a plague (2 Sam. 24:1-25). In the second version, written hundreds of years later, it is not God but "the Satan" who inspires the census (1 Chron. 21:1-30); God only punishes. Evidently, with the passage of time and development of an expanded sense of justice, it was no longer possible to see God as both the cause and enemy of sin and as the vindictive avenger of sin as well. The negative qualities that earlier writers had assumed to be in their God were eventually transferred to his opposite.



Following the Babylonian exile (after 538 BCE), when Judah was dominated by the Persian Empire, Persian and other foreign religious ideas apparently infiltrated Jewish thinking. Zoroastrianism, the official Persian religion, was dualistic, holding that the universe was ruled by two opposing supernatural forces. The powers of Good (Light) were led by Ahura Mazda, while those of Evil (Dark) were directed by Ahriman, the Zoroastrian devil. According to this belief, at the end of time a climactic battle between Good and Evil would result in Evil's destruction and the triumph of Light. Until then, the two powers struggled incessantly, resulting in alternating elements of happiness and misery in human existence. This struggle took place in all of life--up in the “heavens,” on the earth, and within the individual. The cosmic powers could, of course, fly through the air (angels and demons), and it is at this point in Israel’s history that angels pick up their wings.



With its hierarchies of angels and demons, systems of rewards and punishments in an afterlife, and concept of all-good god waging war against a wicked opponent (the devil), Zoroastrianism strongly influenced later Hebrew ideas about the Satan as not only humanity's, but God's enemy also. Significantly, no Jewish literature written before the Persian period pictures the Satan as a unique individual. Only in post-exilic books like Tobit and Daniel are individual angels, such as Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, or demons, such as Asmodeus, given personal names. With the influx of Greek and other ideas following Alexander's conquest of the Near East in 330 BCE, views of an afterlife populated with angels and demons proliferated (many in the form of the their Greek counterparts of divine and semi-divine "heroes.") By New Testament times, Persian, Greek, Syrian, and other foreign notions had been thoroughly Hebraized and subordinated to the religion of Israel. After the first century CE, however, Judaism rejected many of these Persian or Hellenistic concepts. The final canonical Jewish scriptures grant the Satan scant space and little power.



It is in the non-canonical Jewish literature, which is usually referred to as either the pseudepigrapha ("false writings"), the "apochrypha," or "apocalyptic" literature, and which constituted most of the literature produced between the Persian period and the first century, that we find a new association for "Satan." This literature of the "intertestamental" period is predominantly influenced by the historical emergence of sectarian Judaism, or the creation of particular Jewish "sects." These groups all claimed to follow the fundamental precepts of Torah, but expressed different opinions as to specific interpretations of some legal aspects, what makes a person "righteous," and the degree of interaction with other "nations." It is this latter element that may have given rise to some of the sects, as a reaction to increasing Hellenization of Jews and Judaism after Alexander's conquest. Specific groups which emerged in the second century BCE include the Pharisees, Sadducees, Hassidim, Essenes, and perhaps the "fourth philosophy," described by Josephus as being particularly "zealous" for God.



The sectarian literature now equates "Satan" not only with evil, but specifically with anyone or any group not in agreement with their own. In other words, "Satan" is the enemy, either on a cosmic scale or on an earthly one; an enemy of God, or an enemy of God's "people." And it is this equation of Satan with the "enemy" that we find most often expressed in the New Testament canon--an equation that has continued into modern Christian doctrines. It is in this literature, specifically in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that we see the beginning of a process known as “the personification of evil,” by identifying “the other” (anyone outside and against the group), as the literal incarnation of the Devil or one of his agents—this concept has a long legacy in the Western tradition.



Whereas the Hebrew Satan can do nothing without God's express permission, in the New Testament the "Devil" behaves as an independent force who competes with the Creator for human souls. According to the temptation scenes in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), he even attempts to win the allegiance of Jesus of Nazareth. Interestingly, Jesus does not dispute Satan's claim to control the world or to offer it to whomever he wishes (Mark 1:12-13; Matt. 4:1-11; Luke 4:1-13). According to Mark's gospel, one of Jesus's major goals is to break up Satan's kingdom and the hold that he and lesser evil spirits exercise on the people. Hence, Mark stresses Jesus's works of exorcising devils and dispossessing the victims of demonic control. The New Testament then––in sharp contrast to the Jewish scriptures––shows Satan and "the Devil" as one, a focus of cosmic Evil totally opposed to the Creator God. This "Evil One" is the origin of lies, sin, suffering, sickness, and death. But his power is limited only to the present age; he is doomed to annihilation in Revelation's symbolic "lake of fire" (Rev. 20:1-5).



We also see the equation of Satan with enemy quite clearly demonstrated in the presentation of Jesus's opponents in the gospels. Satan "enters into" Judas to betray the Lord; we now see the shift in the focus of "blame" between Jewish scriptures and the New Testament. In the former, man himself is responsible for evil, whereas the latter accounts for evil, in part, by blaming an "outside" force--an early version of "the Devil made me do it." Hence all enemies of Jesus and his followers are under the influence of Satan, who is shown to control "this world." But we are told that Satan and his followers will have no place (and therefore, no power) in the "world to come."



The notable exception to Satan as an independent and external force in the gospels, influencing the "opposition" (Pharisees, scribes, Herodians, Sadducees, the high-priest, etc.), is found in the gospel of John. In this last gospel, the Jews can never receive salvation and can never believe because of something inherently basic to their physical inheritance--John claims that the Jews are "children of their father, the Devil." Thus, begins the long and tragic road of Christian anti-Semitism.
 Quoting: johnswahoo


Excellent ! Make it its own post, and Ill pin !
Azeratel Axo

User ID: 20063747
Canada
02/23/2013 12:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
We dont believe in Lucifer! We believe he exists but we certainly dont follow him.

Peace and safety to you! x
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25849677


Shalom

hf
Azeratel Axo

User ID: 20063747
Canada
02/23/2013 12:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
I heard witches prefer the colour blue on Saturdays.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


saturn day = worship of satan.

blue = water = higher density = deception = enki.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


hf

MakaWitchHunt
LeoDaLion

User ID: 34459147
United States
02/23/2013 12:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
how are you going to say gods special people follow Lucifer? yea there may be some "jews" that follow Lucifer but does that still make him a jew? there are "Christians" who follow Lucifer does that still make him a Christian? its all about perspective each person is diffrent
LEO
Azeratel Axo

User ID: 20063747
Canada
02/23/2013 12:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
PSSSSSSTTT

If Jesus can come back once, he can do it again.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31656575
United States
02/23/2013 12:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
"Lucifer" ? !

What is the matter with the lot of ya, tying in with Satanredface the father of the lie and his children, the murderers, the parasites, that murdered Jesus- John 8:44

Thereis no "Lucifer", no, no more.

Our Father took that name away from the most beautiful angel in Heaven, once named, "Lucifer"; threw him to Earth, with like ilk, his followers, and gave him his new name, the most hated name on Earth, Satan.

Foolsredface
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35005461
United States
02/23/2013 12:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
...


Because Lucifer is the "light bearer" in our DNA that makes us human.

:DNA intuition:

The Phosp-Horus in each of us. Without phosphorus, consciousness and spiritual energy would not exist. It is what makes us human.

:Meditation:

The phosphorus atom has the characteristic of firing in our blood. This is why those who worshiped the Baal, AKA the Father and Lord, had instituted fire-worship such as the Druids who would be the descendants of the same Jews you speak of.

:Temple:

“The soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Le 17:14). For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Leviticus 17:11

:DNA nceint Drawi:

The father is Amun or Amon which is our Hippocampus (Ammon's Horn) in which the father of the temple resides.

:Jupiter Amon:

He is the most high.

:Moses Amon:
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


So the bible is the message of adonai or Lucifer?

Because if the controlling psychopathic God of the old testament is what the Jews follow, that does not go in accordance with how Lucifer the light bearer who wants to liberate us from darkness. In my opinion, Old testament has scary vibe. Is this Lucifer or Adonai?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27593243


Religion has always been partially about "mind and soul control" of the profane. Nothing controls better than induing fear into humans to then cause the desired effect that you wish which is control. Hence, many stories are told to induce fear and this results in control of the mind and soul.

This method using words to control was chosen over the simple methods of using a swords or knifes to elicit the same end goal. One can say this is evil or humane for the judge is in the eye of the beholder. I look at religion has a divine plan for the benefit of all mankind that was corruputed by men who became selfish or immoral with that power.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Excellent GW ! about the Phosphorus/Horus. We also can see Horus as Horizon, Set as Sun Set..
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


...


So the bible is the message of adonai or Lucifer?

Because if the controlling psychopathic God of the old testament is what the Jews follow, that does not go in accordance with how Lucifer the light bearer who wants to liberate us from darkness. In my opinion, Old testament has scary vibe. Is this Lucifer or Adonai?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27593243


Religion has always been partially about "mind and soul control" of the profane. Nothing controls better than induing fear into humans to then cause the desired effect that you wish which is control. Hence, many stories are told to induce fear and this results in control of the mind and soul.

This method using words to control was chosen over the simple methods of using a swords or knifes to elicit the same end goal. One can say this is evil or humane for the judge is in the eye of the beholder. I look at religion has a divine plan for the benefit of all mankind that was corruputed by men who became selfish or immoral with that power.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Excellent GW ! about the Phosphorus/Horus. We also can see Horus as Horizon, Set as Sun Set..
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Thanks ELNATHAN APOLLYON!!!

I see Horus as Horizon bro and Set as Sun Set. As you often say, everything is in divine order even though at times it may appear like complete chaos. We must flow like water in these times.

FIAT LUX
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


I heard witches prefer the colour blue on Saturdays.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


saturn day = worship of satan.

blue = water = higher density = deception = enki.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


I heard witches prefer the colour blue on Saturdays.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


saturn day = worship of satan.

blue = water = higher density = deception = enki.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


Revelations...such a beautiful thing when the veil is lifted

and their true colors are revealed.

Hyksos.

"You, Enlil, the good shepherd, know their ways ..."

It would be wise of not to spread lies about Enki, Blitz the

Storm.

Even your name is revealing. Much like

EL/Enlil/Saturn/Set/Moloch NATHAN APOLLYON.

The usual suspects on this thread spreading lies and

deception.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1581136
United States
02/23/2013 12:53 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
The truth is if you think Jews worship Satan,
and you've actually read the Hebrew bible,
you're just not very intelligent. God of Israel
loves nature and animals with all his soul
and despises man, which he says over and
over again. does that sound like Lucifer the
lightbearer? these new age theorists are
retarded...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1425587


Yahweh , if left alone, would of had his speed course plan in evolutionary selection. Any moral defect in you, you wouldnt last. Bad traits would not have been allowed in the gene pool. But his plan was thwarted as you see the results today . Crime, chaos, hedonism. You can thank Christianity for that. Christians are the biggest users of pay per view porn btw, in hotel conventions. When you write out the importance of the sacred Female. (Gnostics believe in the Sophia, Wife of God, Jewish people in the Shekinah , wife of God. Esoterica teaches that Jesus was a married man) You will have problems if you go by the way of female hating, Christian fundamentalism.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


Where in the world do you get your information from?

I think when the time comes God is going to show you a thing or two.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35004347
Serbia
02/23/2013 12:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
how are you going to say gods special people follow Lucifer? yea there may be some "jews" that follow Lucifer but does that still make him a jew? there are "Christians" who follow Lucifer does that still make him a Christian? its all about perspective each person is diffrent
 Quoting: LeoDaLion


If you are born of non-Jewish mother, you can't be Jewish.
It's not just religion that goes into equation.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35016150
Brazil
02/23/2013 01:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
According to Rabi Finkelstein, Lucifer fell on earth 75.000 years ago.

This period in human history is liked with rapid brain power increase, speech ability developing, better hunting tools, etc.

Don't forget that OT revels us that fallen angels can have children with women.

Makes you wonder.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35004347


THIS ^^^

At least Jews are smarter than most Christians,

A talking snake, really? Is that what Christians teach in sunday school still?

Lucifer was simply from another planet. and he mated with Eve and had kids, Those kids started making metals, technology etc..cause they inherited their Fathers intelligence. Not hard to figure out.
 Quoting: ELNATHAN APOLLYON


So Lucifer was a rebel ET, meanwhile the God(s) were the ones that were against interbreeding with primitive humans? Makes some sense, thinking about it.
Tantalus

User ID: 25753952
United States
02/23/2013 01:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Jewish holy day is Saturday.

Saturday is Saturns Day.

Saturn is their God.

Saturn and Satan are the same word in Hebrew.

Satan = Lucifer.

Lucifer means Bearer/Bringer of Light.

If you are in the presence of a Bringer of Light, you are Illuminated.

Illuminati.

Last Edited by Tantalus on 02/23/2013 01:06 PM
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control

------------------------
Other Interesting Threads by Tantalus:
Thread: The Real Secret of the Pentagram - Venus Transit - 6/6/12 - and ISON
Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation
Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31189143
Canada
02/23/2013 01:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
I don't know if its lucifer per se, but I don't want nothing to do with their God of War, Deception, Trickery, & Lies.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31189143
Canada
02/23/2013 01:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
The Jews carry out the mission of Lucifer... to spread the light, or the possibilities (via hollywood/music, multiculturalism, etc.) and thereby crash the matrix. How? The matrix is built on uniform thought processes. The light that informs one spirit can distract the ego of another. Through natural free will the two go their separate ways and the matrix breaks down. It's why they get hated on a lot by dictators and those heavily based in cultural pride. When you get comfortable in a prison cell you tend to scoff at the guy trying to sneak you in the master key.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25953791


2 questions:

do you actually believe this?

and who taught you this pile of garbage?
AllSeeingEye
User ID: 4341242
United States
02/23/2013 01:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
False.

Jew's do NOT believe in Hell, so why would they believe in the devil.

Jew's killed Jesus, the son of God.

Who in the right mind would kill the son of God???
I'll tell you.....a person who doesn't believe in hell, nor lucifer.
Tantalus

User ID: 25753952
United States
02/23/2013 01:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
False.

Jew's do NOT believe in Hell, so why would they believe in the devil.

Jew's killed Jesus, the son of God.

Who in the right mind would kill the son of God???
I'll tell you.....a person who doesn't believe in hell, nor lucifer.
 Quoting: AllSeeingEye 4341242


Many would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heavan.

Just think about that for a minute.
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control

------------------------
Other Interesting Threads by Tantalus:
Thread: The Real Secret of the Pentagram - Venus Transit - 6/6/12 - and ISON
Thread: Anunnaki, Nibiru, Brown Dwarfs, and Gravitational Time Dilation
Thread: Amazing Connection!! The Great Pyramid was a Weapon. Valles Marineris the Result?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 34996846
Germany
02/23/2013 01:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
Have you guys felt that old testament feels like a message of a controlling psychopathic father, while the new testament feels more love based message?

Why do Jews believe in lucifer?there is something odd about the ok'd testament!!!
 Quoting: Questionairebillionaire 35002685


Because Lucifer is the "light bearer" in our DNA that makes us human.

:DNA intuition:

The Phosp-Horus in each of us. Without phosphorus, consciousness and spiritual energy would not exist. It is what makes us human.

:Meditation:

The phosphorus atom has the characteristic of firing in our blood. This is why those who worshiped the Baal, AKA the Father and Lord, had instituted fire-worship such as the Druids who would be the descendants of the same Jews you speak of.

:Temple:

“The soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Le 17:14). For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Leviticus 17:11

:DNA nceint Drawi:

The father is Amun or Amon which is our Hippocampus (Ammon's Horn) in which the father of the temple resides.

:Jupiter Amon:

He is the most high.

:Moses Amon:
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Phosphorous is prevalent in every creature, not only in humans.
Newheart
The Lion of Justice

User ID: 25567776
United States
02/23/2013 01:11 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin. Isaiah 1:25
Faithful and Truth
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31189143
Canada
02/23/2013 01:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
The truth is if you think Jews worship Satan,
and you've actually read the Hebrew bible,
you're just not very intelligent. God of Israel
loves nature and animals with all his soul
and despises man, which he says over and
over again. does that sound like Lucifer the
lightbearer? these new age theorists are
retarded...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1425587


umm excuse me God did not despise man.

Lucifer did. He was jealous that Daddy was spending too much time with Adam ..who was made of clay.

God created Man ... Lucifer was jealous.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35005461
United States
02/23/2013 01:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Why do Jews believe in Lucifer?
The truth is if you think Jews worship Satan,
and you've actually read the Hebrew bible,
you're just not very intelligent. God of Israel
loves nature and animals with all his soul
and despises man, which he says over and
over again. does that sound like Lucifer the
lightbearer? these new age theorists are
retarded...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1425587


umm excuse me God did not despise man.

Lucifer did. He was jealous that Daddy was spending too much time with Adam ..who was made of clay.

God created Man ... Lucifer was jealous.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31189143


naughty

You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God”

(Exodus 20:4-5).


Assuming the arrogant pose of a solar deity, Yaldabaoth falsely believes himself to be the only god in the entire cosmos.

Thus, for Gnostics, the identification of Yaldabaoth with Jehovah of the Old Testament, a deity who suffers from this very complex of cosmic egotism.

Overseen by Yaldabaoth, the Archons now proceed to fabricate the planetary system from the inorganic elements of which them themselves are composed. As they have no intentionality (ennoia) and no creative capacity (epinoia) of their own, they can only do this by imitation.

News