BREAKING: HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS ARE MARCHING IN MADRID, SPAIN against Corruption, Bank debts,politicians' high wages ; Spanish POLICE ON ALERT

GO SPAIN!

listen, anyone who thinks this will merely continue to 'amount to nothing' is deluded

like, its all gonna just calm down and people will go back to their lives

its THEIR LIVES that are being fucked

this WILL continue and it WILL spread




FUCK THE EU

D'uhh. The Swedish poster was being sarcastic.

Found a link about it:

[link to www.aljazeera.com]

All of this is for nothing ultimately. It plays to the mainstream like "oh, look at those crazy anarchists trying to wreak havoc. Oh, cops shot 25 of them. Well, that's what you get when you go out there trying to create mayhem". I mean, people here just don't get it! They don't understand what's at the ROOT of the protest. It was very annoying with the Occupy crowd...they couldn't articulate why they were upset, why they were there. It played on TV like "omg, look at those babbling druggies and losers camping and shitting and raping in our parks".

Protests, to have any impact on those asleep, should number in the millions. MILLIONS. Then the mainstream would be scratching their heads and saying "what am I missing that so many of my fellow countrymen are all protesting?". And they might seek more information. And it might sink in, for some anyway.

Does anyone have a feel for just how many are asleep vs awake in the US?

What will continue is just more ineffective, mindless demonstrations where everyone stands around shivering in the cold and taking photos of themselves so that they can show their friends what great little revolutionaries they are. These demonstrations were once always between the leftwing and the rightwing in Spain. Now it's just liberals AND conservatives protesting against the lack of jobs, a future and their ineffective government's handling of their problems. There is no longer any IDEOLOGICAL force there. There are no longer any natural leaders of the people. So people just stand around shouting before they get cold and go home once again having achieved:

NOTHING.

And so it will go until people realize they will not bring about REAL change until they stop demonstrating like a lot of bleating sheep and organise and fight.

Literally, if necessary.

Word.

from the live chat


ANGELDEJUSTICIA: SI ELLOS VAN CON PISTOLAS NOSOTROS TAMBIEN

If they go with pistols, so do we


[link to www.livestream.com]

THIS !


A dozens of molotovs will stop the police vans.

A hundred, and police will back off.



200.000 people and there is not ONE HUNDRED there will BALLS?

Juan Miguel Garrido‏@Juanmi_News

#Madrid URGENTE | CALLE ATOCHA | Disparos de salvas y cargas en la plaza del Reina Sofía.Informa el periodista Ángel Calleja.#TodasUnidas23F

Fully awake = .0000008%

Drowsy = 10%

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ANGELDEJUSTICIA: Y LANZA GRANADAS
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Something about go buy guns on the internet, and throw grenades and some kind of flying (weapon?) at the royal house and at congress.

Sorry, my spanish is not so good

pla: GUILLOTINA XA POLITICOS Y SUS PERROS TORTURADORES (POLICIA)

Guillotine the politicians and their dogs the torturers, the police

THIS is what we need to take our future back. THIS is what we need to do to overthrow the criminal elite:

From 11:30:

I'd say 25% know something is wrong, but not that many are willing to accept how bad it is.

Across the world half of all adults are literally mentally incapable of forming independent opinions about abstract things (economics, politics, religion, etc). In the US half the rest don't bother to even give such things as economics or politics much thought. This leaves 25% of our population doing productive thinking on the subject and even they are being bombarded by propaganda.

Stupid. You need to get the police and military on your side in every revolution to make it sucessful.

Look at the fall of the Berlin Wall. Of the Soviet union. Of the arab dictators.

15MValladolid‏@15MValladolid

Cargas severas, con pelotas de goma, desde Ronda de Atocha por Argumosa hacia arriba. Mucho ojo, compas. 21:06

1 minJuan Miguel Garrido‏@Juanmi_News

#Madrid (21:10h) | Unos 20 furgones policiales abandonan Neptuno en dirección a Atocha.Informa el compañero Paco Ibáñez.#TodasUnidas23F #23F

So 10% should be the target. That is a LOT of people. How can they be reached? I'm seriously asking...looking for ideas. The .00008% are merely shoveling shit against the tide, basically talking amongst themselves and marginalized by MSM and tptb. Need more to really change the game.

Maybe you didn't see where I am from.


The military and the cops WILL BE WITH you if YOU prove you can fight.

I lived thru MY ROMANIAN REVOLUTION, with 1,242 dead.


I KNOW THAT throwing molotovs is a MUST !!!

The cops and the army took our side AFTER 2 DAYS of fighting !


Sweden NEVER had a revolution.

Please shut up about subjects that you never lived.

You say well. Prior to the occupy movement, there was the 15M here in Spain, and what characterized it, among other things, was its undefined ideological positioning and lack of positive proposals or solutions. That is partly tru, albeit that is how it was described by the MSM, but people inside it, or people in the know, knew it was a movement against the dictatorship of the markekts, the loss of democracy and transparency leading to scam and frauds, and it proposals were a constituent process fiinshing in better and more plural goverment system (I could go more concrete in the case of Spain, for example regarding the "autonomias" affair or the Electoral Laws but it is not the point

Who was in the know? Anyone older certainly wasnt. Anyone only receiveng MSM information, even from supossedly left-winged newspapers or TV channels wasnt. You would need to be in the street or be a power user of the internet or social networks to be in the know (I am talkling about 2008 and the beggining of the crisis here)

Then the movement expanded rapid assimiling the general sickness of the people in so many areas, being abe of recruiting large amounts of indignados towards any goal.. for a social engineer it must have been a dream, being able to summon a critical mass and try to encompass it with your memes and such.

Sorry I digreded there. But I sometimes think that Spain has been a laboratory for the NWO, TPTB or whatever. What I wanted to say relating your post is that regarding social momvements, what you see in US is somehow similar to what you could see in Spain before, there is a critical mass of people that knows something needs to be done, but there are no cristalization of objectives, no heads, no precise courses of actions. Though there are (here we call it "Transición 2.0"). Maybe is something inherent to this kind of social movement as it is made anonimously by a mesh of diverse people..

You say well. Prior to the occupy movement, there was the 15M here in Spain, and what characterized it, among other things, was its undefined ideological positioning and lack of positive proposals or solutions. That is partly tru, albeit that is how it was described by the MSM, but people inside it, or people in the know, knew it was a movement against the dictatorship of the markets, the loss of democracy and transparency leading to scam and frauds, and it proposals were a constituent process fiinshing in better and more plural goverment system (I could go more concrete in the case of Spain, for example regarding the "autonomias" affair or the Electoral Laws but it is not the point

Who was in the know? Anyone older certainly wasnt. Anyone only receiveng MSM information, even from supossedly left-winged newspapers or TV channels wasnt. You would need to be in the street or be a power user of the internet or social networks to be in the know (I am talkling about 2008 and the beggining of the crisis here)

Then the movement expanded rapid assimiling the general sickness of the people in so many areas, being abe of recruiting large amounts of indignados towards any goal.. for a social engineer it must have been a dream, being able to summon a critical mass and try to encompass it with your memes and such.

Sorry I digreded there. But I sometimes think that Spain has been a laboratory for the NWO, TPTB or whatever. What I wanted to say relating your post is that regarding social momvements, what you see in US is somehow similar to what you could see in Spain before, there is a critical mass of people that knows something needs to be done, but there are no cristalization of objectives, no heads, no precise courses of actions. Though there are (here we call it "Transición 2.0"). Maybe is something inherent to this kind of social movement as it is made anonimously by a mesh of diverse people..

Can't happen here.. The rich won't.. and the poor are subsidized by the gov. The middle class are working.. no where to go!

This means that the police charged the protesters in Atocha Plaza.Many hurt.

20 police vans from Neptun Plaza going that way.


The action is couple miles away from where the cameras are.

When time is right, the realisation that we are all in this together, will spread like a flame. Then we will rise up together and set aside petty differences like color, creed, religion, politics, etc.

The ball is rolling. It will pick up pace. Keep spreading the message of unity.

Haha yes i was sarcasmic ...

asleep and corrupt politicians, nuclear assholes, financial thugs, weapons perverts, and godless illuminati whores ruin the world for everyone - but we are the world - and we are that which we abhor - each person must concentrate and purify themselves to initiate real change - it will happen - only question is how much pain will it require for change

no media coverage

In a day or two, all of these little protesters having a hissy fit will all go home and continue to pay their taxes. In the meantime, the protesters can enjoy singing songs, feeling like they're making a difference, all the while getting roughed up by dumb pigs who serve masters that don't give a fuck about them. These little rodents in the streets need to grab a horse meat taco and head home. You don't get power by asking for it. You get power by seizing it.

I feel with you spain. Here in sweden we all sorts of top layer corruption and stealing. Sometimes in the open, but usually in the grey zone, well disguised. But they somehow slip through or the news are quickly covered up/washed/ flushed out of the stream.

Its a shame that the official line is that we need to make sacrifices etc. while in the same time the ones asking are PLUNDERING the same people.

they don't want to influence the consumer spending elsewhere