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Only an ignorant uneducated idiot thinks Lucifer has anything to do with Jewish religion.

 
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Only an ignorant uneducated idiot thinks Lucifer has anything to do with Jewish religion.
Lucifer is a Christian concept with origin in the Latin Vulgate. Lucifer has nothing to do with the Jews. He is not mentioned in their Bible. Learn a thing or two before you spew lies on the net.
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Lucifer is a Christian concept with origin in the Latin Vulgate. Lucifer has nothing to do with the Jews. He is not mentioned in their Bible. Learn a thing or two before you spew lies on the net.
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Sounds like youre offended cause the Christian concept made that name out to be evil. WHY?




BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?

COMPILED BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

It took me a few hours to write and qoute and compile. I did not copy and paste this. Thank you


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BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?


How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "


In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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I have no qualm with the reputation Lucifer has. I have a problem with out-right idiot scholarship. Lucifer is not a Jewish, religious character. Why people are making the connection between the two is mind boggling!
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Is it true that there are thousands of "gods" in the Hebrew religion?
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Here is your Lucifer:

Melek Taus
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.personal.ceu.hu]

Notice, Melek Taus is the Central Angel; with 6 angels accompanying him.

Now take a look at the temple menorah

Temple Menorah
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They seem to synch fairly well ...

Same symmetrty is also mentioned in the book of genesis, god creating the earth & the heavens in 6 days while resting on the seventh.

Also the sumerian seven tablets of creation.

If you look at the buddhist wheel of life, there are 6 samsara realms; and a central shambhallic realm guarded by the Bird, the Snake, and the Pig (three poisons).

In my view, a more correct view is of: Peacock, Cobra, Shrew.

In a battle between the peacock and the cobra, the peacock always wins.

The Peacock is representativ of the heart, the cobra the higher consciousness (URAEUS) and the shrew (rat) preternatural sentience.

If you look at the seed of life, it is also a six around or six from one symmetry; embedded within the 6 around 1 template is the 1 around 1 blueprint.

If you look at the Norse Cosmological Model, the 6 around 1 is clearly evident; in addition to to other realms - Asgard and Hel.

All our mythomorphological worldviews appear to synch up fairly well to me.

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Is it true that there are thousands of "gods" in the Hebrew religion?
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yes
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actually the latin vulgate merely chose to translate it as lucifer , the being described however still existed and was observed
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I have no qualm with the reputation Lucifer has. I have a problem with out-right idiot scholarship. Lucifer is not a Jewish, religious character. Why people are making the connection between the two is mind boggling!
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david's star, triangle symbolism, hint hint
what the fuck is going on eh
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"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
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lol how the rating plummeted after last 2 posts

HINT HINT HINT HINT HINT
what the fuck is going on eh
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Is it true that there are thousands of "gods" in the Hebrew religion?
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yes
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no
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"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
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Many jewish people have openly stated that their religion is ultimately luciferian.

Why would they lie? And they are smarter than you. So...
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Many jewish people have openly stated that their religion is ultimately luciferian.

Why would they lie? And they are smarter than you. So...
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who said that??

no torah jew worships Lucifer!

only fake jewish masons.
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"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
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[link to www.biblebelievers.org.au]
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Lucifer explained once and for all.

Lucifer in the Hebrew is written 'hilel ben shachar'

this is how the prophet called nebudchadnazzer.

Lucifer represents the ambitions of men to become gods.
if you see what was written about Lucifer and then read the story of neb in Daniel you will see that everything that was said about luci played out in neb.

also from nebs dream we can learn who are the luciferians today.
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Many jewish people have openly stated that their religion is ultimately luciferian.

Why would they lie? And they are smarter than you. So...
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who said that??

no torah jew worships Lucifer!

only fake jewish masons.
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you are right, they are trying very hard not to do that.
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Lucifer explained once and for all.

Lucifer in the Hebrew is written 'hilel ben shachar'

this is how the prophet called nebudchadnazzer.

Lucifer represents the ambitions of men to become gods.
if you see what was written about Lucifer and then read the story of neb in Daniel you will see that everything that was said about luci played out in neb.

also from nebs dream we can learn who are the luciferians today.
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sounds right.
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Many jewish people have openly stated that their religion is ultimately luciferian.

Why would they lie? And they are smarter than you. So...
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who said that??

no torah jew worships Lucifer!

only fake jewish masons.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


you are right, they are trying very hard not to do that.
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who the fuck are you?

you have no idea what you are talking about.

we worship who you call jehova, he is the only object of worship in Judaism.

fake masonic rabbis don't represent Judaism.


are you that stupid catholic girl?
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Lucifer explained once and for all.

Lucifer in the Hebrew is written 'hilel ben shachar'

this is how the prophet called nebudchadnazzer.

Lucifer represents the ambitions of men to become gods.
if you see what was written about Lucifer and then read the story of neb in Daniel you will see that everything that was said about luci played out in neb.

also from nebs dream we can learn who are the luciferians today.
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sounds right.
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nebs dream of the image. that tells of successors of Neb - the luciferians, we can learn that the luciferian head quarters today is the Vatican.
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the jewish religion encompasses all of life. lucifer is the english name for a certain type of being known to exist by a certain people. hashem is the holy one. you are confusing yourself by making connections in the wrong order.

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Many jewish people have openly stated that their religion is ultimately luciferian.

Why would they lie? And they are smarter than you. So...
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who said that??

no torah jew worships Lucifer!

only fake jewish masons.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


you are right, they are trying very hard not to do that.
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who the fuck are you?

you have no idea what you are talking about.

we worship who you call jehova, he is the only object of worship in Judaism.

fake masonic rabbis don't represent Judaism.


are you that stupid catholic girl?
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ad hominem, here!^^^ Alarm!

You are very foolish and will never guess who you are dealing with.

I might dig a grave for you just with my words...
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Lucifer explained once and for all.

Lucifer in the Hebrew is written 'hilel ben shachar'

this is how the prophet called nebudchadnazzer.

Lucifer represents the ambitions of men to become gods.
if you see what was written about Lucifer and then read the story of neb in Daniel you will see that everything that was said about luci played out in neb.

also from nebs dream we can learn who are the luciferians today.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


sounds right.
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nebs dream of the image. that tells of successors of Neb - the luciferians, we can learn that the luciferian head quarters today is the Vatican.
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nope!
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who said that??

no torah jew worships Lucifer!

only fake jewish masons.
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you are right, they are trying very hard not to do that.
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who the fuck are you?

you have no idea what you are talking about.

we worship who you call jehova, he is the only object of worship in Judaism.

fake masonic rabbis don't represent Judaism.


are you that stupid catholic girl?
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


ad hominem, here!^^^ Alarm!

You are very foolish and will never guess who you are dealing with.

I might dig a grave for you just with my words...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51918285


blahblah5
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Lucifer explained once and for all.

Lucifer in the Hebrew is written 'hilel ben shachar'

this is how the prophet called nebudchadnazzer.

Lucifer represents the ambitions of men to become gods.
if you see what was written about Lucifer and then read the story of neb in Daniel you will see that everything that was said about luci played out in neb.

also from nebs dream we can learn who are the luciferians today.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


sounds right.
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nebs dream of the image. that tells of successors of Neb - the luciferians, we can learn that the luciferian head quarters today is the Vatican.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


nope!
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haha my intuition was right.
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OP mister BEL??

worshiper of BEL?? Babylonian luciferian aren't you...
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sounds right.
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nebs dream of the image. that tells of successors of Neb - the luciferians, we can learn that the luciferian head quarters today is the Vatican.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


nope!
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haha my intuition was right.
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you can shuffle your intuition you know where!
It is United Nations in NY, jew boy.
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OP mister BEL??

worshiper of BEL?? Babylonian luciferian aren't you...
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he surely is!
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nebs dream of the image. that tells of successors of Neb - the luciferians, we can learn that the luciferian head quarters today is the Vatican.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 2


nope!
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haha my intuition was right.
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you can shuffle your intuition you know where!
It is United Nations in NY, jew boy.
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it is orchestrated by the Vatican.

your church is luciferian.

Lucifer telescope, Lucifer in prayers.



iron = rome = Vatican.
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to a little jewish boy from a cure catholic girl


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