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New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.

 
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Hotel Cecil closed for repairing of water pipes after Elisa Lam's body found

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The person who hacked her twitter acct and posted the word SPEAKEASY is giving you a clue as to where the two of them would have been seen together.
 Quoting: pool


i agree,but instead of club or something,what abut a secretive/closed lip agency...kind of like this light one seems to be
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


SPEAKEASY is an older term which might explain the age and indicate the same person has been killing for a long time and they kept their familiar terms regardless of age.
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wow... did not know about that..

speakeasy is said to be a club just around the corner of the cecil hotel.
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speakeasy is also a term for blind pig or blind tiger(only thought this odd as she couldn't see well) it's all connected to illegal stuff,ie be carefull what you say,do.
church of euthanasia.
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have just left my paranormal photos on,as I,m leaving soon.some you have to see whole picture,as clipped.
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People are looking way too much into the video.

It is obvious to be the video was edited near the end. The time sequence pauses. There isn't as much a murder to solve here as there is a message to heed. Why did the police release this video? It has been edited and there really isn't anything to learn from it yet THEY knew it would become viral and people would watch it over and over again. There are definitely other video cameras around the building that would show more of her "story" but they aren't releasing those.

As far as Richard's Facebook page goes I find his friends list very odd. Why is this white guy mainly friends with Asain girls?

I get the feeling more and more like this is more of a story that we're suppose to take a message from (possibly the obvious TB) connection but I just don't know. Just don't waste too much time going over the video because it was obviously edited and put together so we would see what they wanted us to see and nothing more.
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they may have released or edited the vid if there is any incriminating evidence in it without proof they do not want to show their hand... lots of this is a wrestle for power... especially if it is a serial killer which was suggested in a previous post... just my theory maybe wrong
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Naked body of missing Canadian tourist found in hotel water tank


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Naked body of missing Canadian tourist found in hotel water tank


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 Quoting: Ontheverge


So its classic rape case. On this foto police standing near loft doors, maybe there is clothes: [link to i2.wp.com]

[link to media.nbclosangeles.com]
Body was placed in first-rechargeable tank, right?
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**************************************

ok, as the new ones posting here did neither read the first post on the first page here nor the sum-up on page 15..

please, i really beg you, read the sum-up on page 15 first !!!
you will then know our conclusions we worked on the last more than 12 hours and what we believe to be the explanation for the elevator thing and some other stuff going on here !

please do this first before participating in this thread,
as me (and some others) are quite tired being confronted with the same things over and over again.

i´ll try to make it short for you anyway, all of this info is on page 15 as well and many more:




to

Nine´s User ID: 23438707
and
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34971088
and
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23794435
and
all others new on this thread:


- we know the hotel/elevator video since it was posted on another thread here on GLP, and we have a theory for this, which evolved with finding out more background stuff.

as weird as it sounds, it is logically explained.
if you just look up the sum-up on page 15.
links are in there, too.

"the company creating "invisibility" is located in the Hotel Cecil she was murdered;
and it explains why we maybe just see shadows on the video and she looks like a schizophrenic in there: she is maybe confronted with invisible people harrassing her."

- the shower theory was mentioned on page 8, but not for long, as it does not make any sense at all.

- she wasn´t drowned as explained more than broadly on page 14 - watch out for comments starting with "it is all about the way the coroner said what he said..."
also see [link to abclocal.go.com] as provided in sum-up page 15

- that hotel was just plain crap, according to expedia.com and tripadvisor.com. no such things as key card activated elevators there. examples: [link to www.expedia.ca]

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Phoenixe, you think mass-media can show video of girl fighting with person in top-secret military chameleon nanocostume?
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So its classic rape case. On this foto police standing near loft doors, maybe there is clothes: [link to i2.wp.com]
 Quoting: arkadiy


you´re referring to the black thing on the floor in front of the 2 people with umbrellas? i suppose this is black plastic foil containing her body.

[link to media.nbclosangeles.com]
Body was placed in first-rechargeable tank, right?
 Quoting: arkadiy


which tank do you mean? i would think the tank the worker is at is the tank the body was found in.

doesn´t matter at all which one, does it?
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Phoenixe, you think mass-media can show video of girl fighting with person in top-secret military chameleon nanocostume?
 Quoting: arkadiy


i really do believe that they released this video as it shows nothing at all - just a young woman being weird.
which makes it easy blaming it on drugs or schizophrenia.

the video seems to be edited anyway;
and: you actually don´t see anything but her on this video, so why not show it?
but her behaviour/gestures makes sense watching it thinking she is seing/fighting someone invisible.

no one out there would really believe when being told.

(as you don´t believe as well, btw, despite this technique exists and is being used and you have serious links to see for yourself)

when the truth is bigger than the lie, people believe the lie.


edit: and i do admit it sounds batshit crazy. but we worked this out together here over the last.. 18 hours? all legit links one leading to another.

we just don´t know "why".

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Naked body of missing Canadian tourist found in hotel water tank


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 Quoting: Ontheverge


good finds, btw. thank you.
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**************************************

ok, as the new ones posting here did neither read the first post on the first page here nor the sum-up on page 15..

please, i really beg you, read the sum-up on page 15 first !!!
you will then know our conclusions we worked on the last more than 12 hours and what we believe to be the explanation for the elevator thing and some other stuff going on here !

please do this first before participating in this thread,
as me (and some others) are quite tired being confronted with the same things over and over again.

i´ll try to make it short for you anyway, all of this info is on page 15 as well and many more:




to

Nine´s User ID: 23438707
and
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34971088
and
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23794435
and
all others new on this thread:


- we know the hotel/elevator video since it was posted on another thread here on GLP, and we have a theory for this, which evolved with finding out more background stuff.

as weird as it sounds, it is logically explained.
if you just look up the sum-up on page 15.
links are in there, too.

"the company creating "invisibility" is located in the Hotel Cecil she was murdered;
and it explains why we maybe just see shadows on the video and she looks like a schizophrenic in there: she is maybe confronted with invisible people harrassing her."

- the shower theory was mentioned on page 8, but not for long, as it does not make any sense at all.

- she wasn´t drowned as explained more than broadly on page 14 - watch out for comments starting with "it is all about the way the coroner said what he said..."
also see [link to abclocal.go.com] as provided in sum-up page 15

- that hotel was just plain crap, according to expedia.com and tripadvisor.com. no such things as key card activated elevators there. examples: [link to www.expedia.ca]

**************************
if you can´t or won´t contribute, aren´t willing to at least read what findings we came to - well, please, don´t visit this thread, don´t troll/shill around.
thank you.

sincerely,
housekeeping
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Jawohl! meiner Frau!!

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(...)

Jawohl! meiner Frau!!

*clicking my heels together*



drama
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hf
thank you !
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Jawohl! meiner Frau!!

*clicking my heels together*



drama
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hf
thank you !
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lol! couldn't help myself...keep up the good work!
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Jawohl! meiner Frau!!

*clicking my heels together*



drama
 Quoting: phoenixe


hf
thank you !
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lol! couldn't help myself...keep up the good work!
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i lol´d as well - and i really do thank you for considering reading before posting :)
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So its classic rape case. On this foto police standing near loft doors, maybe there is clothes: [link to i2.wp.com]
 Quoting: arkadiy


you´re referring to the black thing on the floor in front of the 2 people with umbrellas? i suppose this is black plastic foil containing her body.

Body was in green foil: [link to img.chinasmack.com] strong textile, plastic cant handle this

[link to media.nbclosangeles.com]
Body was placed in first-rechargeable tank, right?
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which tank do you mean? i would think the tank the worker is at is the tank the body was found in.
Yes, thats right.
doesn´t matter at all which one, does it?
I think, yes. Another tank most likely to be checked in case of trouble. So killer doesnt understand plumbing.
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Someone prevented this elevator from operating.
Someone was watching the video and held the door on purpose



look how fast the door shuts on the next floors when it is empty.





bump
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
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somehow quoting messed up here...tried to get it in order again..

So its classic rape case. On this foto police standing near loft doors, maybe there is clothes: [link to i2.wp.com]
 Quoting: arkadiy


you´re referring to the black thing on the floor in front of the 2 people with umbrellas? i suppose this is black plastic foil containing her body.
 Quoting: phoenixe


Body was in green foil: [link to img.chinasmack.com] strong textile, plastic cant handle this
 Quoting: arkadiy


ok. but could as well be green foil instead of black plastic foil lying in front of their feet.
shape of the thing fits a body (feet on the left)

[link to media.nbclosangeles.com]
Body was placed in first-rechargeable tank, right?
 Quoting: arkadiy


I think, yes. Another tank most likely to be checked in case of trouble. So killer doesnt understand plumbing.
 Quoting: arkadiy

all these tanks seem to be connected to each other.
and those in the background (the one the worker is at and the one next to it one the left) seem to be bigger than the 2 in front.
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
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when there is a hold button, isn´t there is a close the door button as well ?
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Dark Water

The Mother's name in the movie is 'Dahlia' and the daughter's name is 'Cecilia'. Also in the first 15 minutes of the movie you will witness a girl sneaking through a rooftop door that was *supposed* to be locked only to find a Water Tank. A mother inside a dysfunctional elevator doing weird shit with her hands. And a creepy maintenance worker tripping out watching an Elevator camera. Oh, and black water coming through the faucets and laeking pipes discoloring the ceiling. Watched it last night. Too fucking weird.
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yeah i knew of the japanese one and heard there was american version but didnt hear the details...its all crazy way things are connected
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Ever hear of the Black Dahlia?

"The Black Dahlia" was a nickname given to Elizabeth Short[2][3][4] (July 29, 1924 – c. January 15, 1947), an American woman who was the victim of a gruesome and much-publicized murder. Short acquired the moniker posthumously by newspapers in the habit of nicknaming crimes they found particularly colorful. Short was found mutilated, her body sliced in half at the waist, on January 15, 1947, in Leimert Park, Los Angeles, California. Short's unsolved murder has been the source of widespread speculation, leading to many suspects, along with several books and film adaptations of the story. Short's murder is one of the oldest unsolved murder cases in Los Angeles history.[1]

Many true-crime books claim that Short lived in or visited Los Angeles at various times in the mid-1940s; these claims have never been substantiated and are refuted by the findings of law enforcement officers who investigated the case. A document in the Los Angeles County district attorney's files titled "Movements of Elizabeth Short Prior to June 1, 1946" states that Short was in Florida and Massachusetts from September 1943 through the early months of 1946 and gives a detailed account of her living and working arrangements during this period. Although a popular portrayal amongst her acquaintances and many true-crime authors was of Short as a call girl, the Los Angeles district attorney's grand jury proved there was no existing evidence that she was ever a prostitute, and the district attorney's office attributes the claim to confusion with a prostitute of the same name. Another widely circulated rumor holds that Short was unable to have sexual intercourse because of a congenital defect that left her with "infantile genitalia." Los Angeles County district attorney's files state that the investigators had questioned three men with whom Short had sex,[10] including a Chicago police officer who was a suspect in the case.[11] The FBI files on the case also contain a statement from one of Short's alleged lovers. Found in the Los Angeles district attorney's files and in the Los Angeles Police Department's summary of the case, Short's autopsy describes her reproductive organs as anatomically normal, although the report notes evidence of what it called "female trouble." The autopsy also states that Short was not and had never been pregnant, contrary to what had been claimed prior to and following her death.[10]

[Also, porn movies have been found, I believe, with her in them]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The Short for Elizabeth is Elisa.

Dahlia?

Enters Dahlia in the 2005 movie "Dark Water"...

damned
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Someone prevented this elevator from operating.
Someone was watching the video and held the door on purpose

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088

look how fast the door shuts on the next floors when it is empty.

bump


i´ll agree on that, maybe someone invisible did so?
either in invisible gear or either one watching the camera.
maybe she just messed up pushing all buttons.

i do think this video is edited and just out there for distraction.

it does not give anything useful by whom and why she was murdered. no time, no other persons, no nothing.

would be really glad if we can go on looking for the "why" and "who".
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
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when there is a hold button, isn´t there is a close the door button as well ?
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she is not pressing the hold button.
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Someone prevented this elevator from operating.
Someone was watching the video and held the door on purpose

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088

look how fast the door shuts on the next floors when it is empty.
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bump


i´ll agree on that, maybe someone invisible did so?
either in invisible gear or either one watching the camera.
maybe she just messed up pushing all buttons.

i do think this video is edited and just out there for distraction.

it does not give anything useful by whom and why she was murdered. no time, no other persons, no nothing.

would be really glad if we can go on looking for the "why" and "who".

there is no invisible man.
It's the hotel security that watches the video and controls the elevators.
Someone in the control room is holding the elevator so she cant leave that floor.
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@DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978

Dark Water

The Mother's name in the movie is 'Dahlia' and the daughter's name is 'Cecilia'. Also in the first 15 minutes of the movie you will witness a girl sneaking through a rooftop door that was *supposed* to be locked only to find a Water Tank. A mother inside a dysfunctional elevator .....

Ever hear of the Black Dahlia?

"The Black Dahlia" was a nickname given to Elizabeth Short[2][3][4] (July 29, 1924 – c. January 15, 1947), an American woman who was the victim of a gruesome and much-publicized murder. ..... in Los Angeles history.[1]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The Short for Elizabeth is Elisa.

Dahlia?

Enters Dahlia in the 2005 movie "Dark Water"...

damned
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ah, you found what we already mentioned in this thread.

so. what do you make out of it?
a murder fashioned to look like the black dahlia murder at the same hotel, done "dark water"-style ?
but why and by whom?

or is this just another distraction as it is really convenient regarding the dark history of the cecil hotel?
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Someone prevented this elevator from operating.
Someone was watching the video and held the door on purpose


look how fast the door shuts on the next floors when it is empty.

bump




there is no invisible man.
It's the hotel security that watches the video and controls the elevators.
Someone in the control room is holding the elevator so she cant leave that floor.
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i´ll agree on that, maybe someone invisible did so?
either in invisible gear or either one watching the camera.
maybe she just messed up pushing all buttons.

i do think this video is edited and just out there for distraction.

it does not give anything useful by whom and why she was murdered. no time, no other persons, no nothing.

would be really glad if we can go on looking for the "why" and "who".
 Quoting: phoenixe

there is no invisible man.
It's the hotel security that watches the video and controls the elevators.
Someone in the control room is holding the elevator so she cant leave that floor.
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maybe. do you have any proof for those elevators being so up-to-date they could be held by staff from control room?

if not, you can´t rule out the invisible man.

what about her gestures ? do you really think this girl is drugged or schizophrenic? i don´t.
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If someone was out side, in the hall and pushing down the button to "call" the elevator, wouldn't that keep the door from closing?

There is no obvious cause of death - I am thinking drugs. Either she took them or someone drugged her, she died and they panicked. Also, she may have had underlying health problems.

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If someone was out side, in the hall and pushing down the button to "call" the elevator, wouldn't that keep the door from closing?
 Quoting: Ontheverge


maybe. i don´t know how old these elevators are and what features they have/don´t have.

we won´t solve the elevator thing.

that´s why we are allowed to see this video.

once again, it shows nothing what is of help if you don´t consider our wild theory with the invisible man.

distraction.

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If someone was out side, in the hall and pushing down the button to "call" the elevator, wouldn't that keep the door from closing?

There is no obvious cause of death - I am thinking drugs. Either she took them or someone drugged her, she died and they panicked. Also, she may have had underlying health problems.
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with that theory - what is the elevator video good for at all?
it does not contribute to this theory.
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My point is if killer knows about water tanks, rely on them, he would choose reserve tank for body covering.
Case tank is closest to loft building, so it makes sense that badguy plan was to drop body from the roof, simulate suicide, but something stop him, and he hides body in the tank. And police seems to find something in loft building.
Another thing- if killer wants to stage suicide, body doesnt have homicide marks. Mostly likely to be broken neck.

Elevator scene makes me think Elisa trying to scary her friend, thats why she wait for him with pressing hold button and get cover.

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