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New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.

 
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This is to creepy. The fact that her body was found 2 minutes away from the "Skid Row" TB Outbreak "ground zero' and she was in the water tank.

This is such a mind bending situation.

Makes me wonder how much history is even true. This stuff is not new. These "sickos" have been doing this for as long as they have been able to get away with it. Long before internet and mass media became advanced.

There is no telling how many murder cases in the past are just full of sick twist and things that would send you so far down the rabbit hole you would never get out.

I know this may sound as a silly question but did she drive? Or was she someone who was reliant upon public transportation? Like I wonder if her car was towed away. Impounded. Evidence? Or if it is still sitting there.

What room was she in?

So many questions
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My point is if killer knows about water tanks, rely on them, he would choose reserve tank for body covering.
Case tank is closest to loft building, so it makes sense that badguy plan was to drop body from the roof, simulate suicide, but something stop him, and he hides body in the tank. And police seems to find something in loft building.
Another thing- if killer wants to stage suicide, body doesnt have homicide marks. Mostly likely to be broken neck.

Elevator scene makes me think Elisa trying to scary her friend, thats why she wait for him with pressing hold button and get cover.
 Quoting: arkadiy


The reason the killer chose the tanks was to get rid of possible DNA evidence. Water will get rid of DNA evidence as will chlorine.throwing someone off a roof does not get rid of DNA evidence.
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My point is if killer knows about water tanks, rely on them, he would choose reserve tank for body covering.
Case tank is closest to loft building, so it makes sense that badguy plan was to drop body from the roof, simulate suicide, but something stop him, and he hides body in the tank. And police seems to find something in loft building.
Another thing- if killer wants to stage suicide, body doesnt have homicide marks. Mostly likely to be broken neck.

Elevator scene makes me think Elisa trying to scary her friend, thats why she wait for him with pressing hold button and get cover.
 Quoting: arkadiy


The reason the killer chose the tanks was to get rid of possible DNA evidence. Water will get rid of DNA evidence as will chlorine.throwing someone off a roof does not get rid of DNA evidence.
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My point is if killer knows about water tanks, rely on them, he would choose reserve tank for body covering.
Case tank is closest to loft building, so it makes sense that badguy plan was to drop body from the roof, simulate suicide, but something stop him, and he hides body in the tank. And police seems to find something in loft building.
Another thing- if killer wants to stage suicide, body doesnt have homicide marks. Mostly likely to be broken neck.

Elevator scene makes me think Elisa trying to scary her friend, thats why she wait for him with pressing hold button and get cover.
 Quoting: arkadiy


ok, i get where you coming from ..

if he was stopped, he had time to undress her and get the clothes somewhere else? naked suicide would have looked somewhat awkward (never heard about that..).

besides that, even with a broken neck, (at least here in germany) non-natural deaths are all examinded properly.
so if she was already dead , eg 1 hour before being suicided, they would have found out at the investigation.

which friend? the one who possibly murdered her? i do think she looks a bit afraid..more than someone who is just fooling around...?
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This is to creepy. The fact that her body was found 2 minutes away from the "Skid Row" TB Outbreak "ground zero' and she was in the water tank.

This is such a mind bending situation.

Makes me wonder how much history is even true. This stuff is not new. These "sickos" have been doing this for as long as they have been able to get away with it. Long before internet and mass media became advanced.

There is no telling how many murder cases in the past are just full of sick twist and things that would send you so far down the rabbit hole you would never get out.

I know this may sound as a silly question but did she drive? Or was she someone who was reliant upon public transportation? Like I wonder if her car was towed away. Impounded. Evidence? Or if it is still sitting there.

What room was she in?

So many questions
 Quoting: SnakesAndLadders


nearly in every thread about this case on here and in nearly every news report in the msm:

she used public transportation

please find out the room number on your own, i don´t know it. would be nice if you can contribute it with a link.
thank you.
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
 Quoting: arkadiy


[link to i.imgur.com]

here is the panel, she pressed the middle buttons, and indeed there is a DOOR HOLD button the bottom middle.
Thats why the door stayed open.



arkadiy is correct
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My point is if killer knows about water tanks, rely on them, he would choose reserve tank for body covering.
Case tank is closest to loft building, so it makes sense that badguy plan was to drop body from the roof, simulate suicide, but something stop him, and he hides body in the tank. And police seems to find something in loft building.
Another thing- if killer wants to stage suicide, body doesnt have homicide marks. Mostly likely to be broken neck.

Elevator scene makes me think Elisa trying to scary her friend, thats why she wait for him with pressing hold button and get cover.
 Quoting: arkadiy


The reason the killer chose the tanks was to get rid of possible DNA evidence. Water will get rid of DNA evidence as will chlorine.throwing someone off a roof does not get rid of DNA evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19679303


I think it was rape too. Girl reported to found naked. But how many people in LA knows about roof water tanks, DNA expertise, way to roof in Cecil hotel? Thats not a street thugs. And I dont believe one man can drag corpse on the loft roof. Its 2 or more
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My point is FB page is only material for conspiracy theory. maybe it some steganografy or hide symbols in her image (without glasses).
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
 Quoting: arkadiy


[link to i.imgur.com]

here is the panel, she pressed the middle buttons, and indeed there is a DOOR HOLD button the bottom middle.
Thats why the door stayed open.



arkadiy is correct
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088


am i blind or not just used to us elevator panels?

this is the panel:

12 14 15
_9 10 11
_6 _7 _8
_3 _4 _5
*L _M _2

<> _B ><

_^ _? _?


i don´t know the buttons i marked with ?
but to hold doors open we use the <> here;
and this is not in the middle of the panel.

help me out please?
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My point is FB page is only material for conspiracy theory. maybe it some steganografy or hide symbols in her image (without glasses).
 Quoting: arkadiy


do you know how to find that out?
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
 Quoting: arkadiy


[link to i.imgur.com]

here is the panel, she pressed the middle buttons, and indeed there is a DOOR HOLD button the bottom middle.
Thats why the door stayed open.



arkadiy is correct
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088


am i blind or not just used to us elevator panels?

this is the panel:

12 14 15
_9 10 11
_6 _7 _8
_3 _4 _5
*L _M _2

<> _B ><

_^ _? _?


i don´t know the buttons i marked with ?
but to hold doors open we use the <> here;
and this is not in the middle of the panel.

help me out please?
 Quoting: phoenixe


[link to img839.imageshack.us]
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he murder of Elizabeth Short has haunted the Los Angeles Police Department since the heinous crime was committed in 1947. The reason will undoubtedly surprise many. The truth is: L.A.P.D. knew who killed Elizabeth Short; they had him, they grilled him, but they did not hold him.

[link to blackdahliasolution.org]
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Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.
My point is if killer knows about water tanks, rely on them, he would choose reserve tank for body covering.
Case tank is closest to loft building, so it makes sense that badguy plan was to drop body from the roof, simulate suicide, but something stop him, and he hides body in the tank. And police seems to find something in loft building.
Another thing- if killer wants to stage suicide, body doesnt have homicide marks. Mostly likely to be broken neck.

Elevator scene makes me think Elisa trying to scary her friend, thats why she wait for him with pressing hold button and get cover.
 Quoting: arkadiy


The reason the killer chose the tanks was to get rid of possible DNA evidence. Water will get rid of DNA evidence as will chlorine.throwing someone off a roof does not get rid of DNA evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19679303


I think it was rape too. Girl reported to found naked. But how many people in LA knows about roof water tanks, DNA expertise, way to roof in Cecil hotel? Thats not a street thugs. And I dont believe one man can drag corpse on the loft roof. Its 2 or more
 Quoting: arkadiy


I wouldn't rule out the possibility of more than one suspect. As far as how many people in L.A would know about DNA evidence and how to get rid of it or be concerned about getting rid of it , I would presume a lot. L.A is a big place. I'm sure there are many criminals in DNA databases that would make a point of being informed in the event they perpetrate or become involved in a crime of this sort as well as many currently working / training or dropped out of fields where the information would be common knowledge.
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
 Quoting: arkadiy


[link to i.imgur.com]

here is the panel, she pressed the middle buttons, and indeed there is a DOOR HOLD button the bottom middle.
Thats why the door stayed open.



arkadiy is correct
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088


am i blind or not just used to us elevator panels?

this is the panel:

12 14 15
_9 10 11
_6 _7 _8
_3 _4 _5
*L _M _2

<> _B ><

_^ _? _?


i don´t know the buttons i marked with ?
but to hold doors open we use the <> here;
and this is not in the middle of the panel.

help me out please?
 Quoting: phoenixe


[link to img839.imageshack.us]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088


thank you! :)
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My point is if killer knows about water tanks, rely on them, he would choose reserve tank for body covering.
Case tank is closest to loft building, so it makes sense that badguy plan was to drop body from the roof, simulate suicide, but something stop him, and he hides body in the tank. And police seems to find something in loft building.
Another thing- if killer wants to stage suicide, body doesnt have homicide marks. Mostly likely to be broken neck.

Elevator scene makes me think Elisa trying to scary her friend, thats why she wait for him with pressing hold button and get cover.
 Quoting: arkadiy


The reason the killer chose the tanks was to get rid of possible DNA evidence. Water will get rid of DNA evidence as will chlorine.throwing someone off a roof does not get rid of DNA evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19679303


I think it was rape too. Girl reported to found naked. But how many people in LA knows about roof water tanks, DNA expertise, way to roof in Cecil hotel? Thats not a street thugs. And I dont believe one man can drag corpse on the loft roof. Its 2 or more
 Quoting: arkadiy


I wouldn't rule out the possibility of more than one suspect. As far as how many people in L.A would know about DNA evidence and how to get rid of it or be concerned about getting rid of it , I would presume a lot. L.A is a big place. I'm sure there are many criminals in DNA databases that would make a point of being informed in the event they perpetrate or become involved in a crime of this sort as well as many currently working / training or dropped out of fields where the information would be common knowledge.
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Thats right. Sorry for my indelicacy, but Elisa seems not to be a sex bomb. Who hunted her?
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Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.
so, let me ask again:

who could be interested in a murder like that?

resembling the blackdahlia /darkwater thing so much with the information about this case (hotel guests reporting black water / this elevator video) it can´t be a coincidence but moreover is staged to look like that ?
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The reason the killer chose the tanks was to get rid of possible DNA evidence. Water will get rid of DNA evidence as will chlorine.throwing someone off a roof does not get rid of DNA evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19679303


I think it was rape too. Girl reported to found naked. But how many people in LA knows about roof water tanks, DNA expertise, way to roof in Cecil hotel? Thats not a street thugs. And I dont believe one man can drag corpse on the loft roof. Its 2 or more
 Quoting: arkadiy


I wouldn't rule out the possibility of more than one suspect. As far as how many people in L.A would know about DNA evidence and how to get rid of it or be concerned about getting rid of it , I would presume a lot. L.A is a big place. I'm sure there are many criminals in DNA databases that would make a point of being informed in the event they perpetrate or become involved in a crime of this sort as well as many currently working / training or dropped out of fields where the information would be common knowledge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19679303


Thats right. Sorry for my indelicacy, but Elisa seems not to be a sex bomb. Who hunted her?
 Quoting: arkadiy


Sex crimes can be odd. She was not a sex bomb , the perpetrator or perpetrators may have been drawn by something else about her. Naïveté, vulnerability, fear or it may have just been a crime of opportunity. She was the one they could get at the moment. Sex crimes are usually about more than sex.
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may i admit,

it fits too perfect to not being staged.

everything, from those real murders in the hotel to movies,
from name similarities in those to what is released as information to the public,
from the tb outbreak nearby to the tb test with the mirror-name,
even this really weird things we found out in the thread connects just perfect.

i suppose there is more than 2 people involved and the death of this poor girl is just the beginning of something else.

i want to know who did this and why.
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it can´t be a coincidence but moreover is staged to look like that ?
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i bet on this horse hereiamwith
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does anyone know what floor she was staying on?


also, the elevator vid- when slowed down and zoomed in, appears to have some sort of grey mass that clearly passes through the doors, twice......

at first it just appears to be the static from the cctv, but when carefully looked at, should be questioned further....
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Has anyone noticed this yet: elisa
/i&#712;l&#299;z&#601;/
Noun
Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay, an immunological assay technique making use of an enzyme bonded to a particular antibody or antigen.

LAM:(Wikipedia)

may refer to:


Lymphangioleiomyomatosis, a rare lung disease

Lipoarabinomannan, a glycolipid associated with the cell wall of Mycobacterium tuberculosis

and of course "Lamb"
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Who owns the Cecil Hotel?




Entity Name: CECIL HOTEL MANAGEMENT, INC.
Entity Number: C3114311
Date Filed: 10/28/2009
Status: DISSOLVED
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 640 S MAIN ST
Entity City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90014
Agent for Service of Process: WILLIAM HAROLD LANTING
Agent Address: 640 S MAIN ST
Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90014

No Business by the name of "invisible light"
listed with the State of CA

[link to kepler.sos.ca.gov]
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Has anyone noticed this yet: elisa
/i&#712;l&#299;z&#601;/
Noun
Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay, an immunological assay technique making use of an enzyme bonded to a particular antibody or antigen.

LAM:(Wikipedia)

may refer to:


Lymphangioleiomyomatosis, a rare lung disease

Lipoarabinomannan, a glycolipid associated with the cell wall of Mycobacterium tuberculosis

and of course "Lamb"
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yes, we know about this tuberculosis-relation for days..
please read sum-up on page 15..
thank you!
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CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE FOR THE "INVISIBLE LIGHT AGENCY"

[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

WHAT IS THAT SYMBOL?
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does anyone know what floor she was staying on?


also, the elevator vid- when slowed down and zoomed in, appears to have some sort of grey mass that clearly passes through the doors, twice......

at first it just appears to be the static from the cctv, but when carefully looked at, should be questioned further....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32278252


i don´t know her floor and i don´t know her room number.
i really would like to know - they were not mentioned afaik. maybe you can find them out?
would be great :)

yes, we noticed that, too.
the video is edited and/or "invisible man" appears there
(please see sum-up page 15 why we talk about invisible man here..)
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CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE FOR THE "INVISIBLE LIGHT AGENCY"

[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

WHAT IS THAT SYMBOL?
 Quoting: Ontheverge




Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names can now be registered with many different competing registrars.
Go to [link to registrar.verisign-grs.com] for detailed information.


Domain Name: INVISIBLELIGHT.TV
Domain ID: 90871959
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: [link to registrar.godaddy.com]
Updated Date: 2012-05-10T18:50:28Z
Creation Date: 2009-12-16T18:33:08Z
Expiration Date: 2013-12-16T18:33:08Z
Sponsoring Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146
Domain Status: CLIENT-DELETE-PROHIBITED
Domain Status: CLIENT-RENEW-PROHIBITED
Domain Status: CLIENT-UPDATE-PROHIBITED
Domain Status: CLIENT-XFER-PROHIBITED
Name Server: NS1.MEDIATEMPLE.NET
Name Server: NS2.MEDIATEMPLE.NET
DNSSEC: Unsigned delegation


>>> Last update of whois database: 2013-02-24T14:50:08Z <<<
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Odd that she would join FB about the time she died or after. Amazing!
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Someone else set up the facbook as soon as the news named her? Hardly a new trolling technique.
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CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE FOR THE "INVISIBLE LIGHT AGENCY"

[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

WHAT IS THAT SYMBOL?
 Quoting: Ontheverge


we already discussed this "agency" broadly on some pages on this thread, and yes, we noticed it is a pyramide-shaped symbol.
there´s much more to this company, if interested, see page 6 and scroll all down to the 4th thread counted from below.
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I think they edited something out of the elevator video. If you watch it just before the door finally closes, the timer briefly stops three different times.
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Okay, not that anyone asked, but here's my observation of the elevator video: She appears to be playing, perhaps a game of hide and seek. IMO, she doesn't look frightened, she looks like she's in game playing mode and doesn't want to lose. The hand gestures and movements outside the elevator have me baffled. I don't know, maybe a game that she thought was innocent but the other person had some very evil intent.
Either way, this case is beyond weird.
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