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New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.

 
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Its Hold button.

So the only suspicious thing is fake FB page.
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[link to i.imgur.com]

here is the panel, she pressed the middle buttons, and indeed there is a DOOR HOLD button the bottom middle.
Thats why the door stayed open.



arkadiy is correct
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088


Door hold buttons do not keep the door open for that long. Elevators have time resets built in so if "DOOR HOLD" is pressed, after about 10 seconds the door shuts automatically again. So she would have to be constantly holding down the button for the doors to stay open for that amount of time. In order for the argument that the elevator was operating properly to hold true, some one must have been outside pushing the call button to keep the doors open. And even then, most if not all elevators are built with an override where if the doors are being forced kept open for more than a certain time, they will shut anyways.
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[link to guardianlv.com]

Part of its sordid history, involves two serial killers, Richard Ramirez and Jack Unterweger.

Now on death row, Ramirez, labeled “the Nightstalker”, was living at the Cecil Hotel in 1985, in a top floor room. He was charged 14 dollars a night. In a building filled with transients, he remained unnoticed as he stalked and killed his 13 female victims. Richard Schave, said “He was dumping his bloody clothes in the Dumpster, at the end of his evening and returned via the back entrance.”

Jack Unterweger, was a journalist covering crime in Los Angeles for an Austrian magazine in 1991. “We believe he was living at the Cecil Hotel in homage to Ramirez,” Schave said.

He is blamed with killing three prostitutes in Los Angeles, while being a guest at the Cecil.

In the 50’s and 60’s the Cecil was known as a place that people would go to jump out of one of the hotel’s windows to commit suicide.

Helen Gurnee, in her 50s, leaped from a seventh floor window, landing on the Cecil Hotel marquee, on October 22, 1954.

Julia Moore jumped from her eighth floor room window, on February 11, 1962.

Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument with her estranged husband, on October 12, 1962. Otton landed on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the side walk, 90 feet below. Both were killed instantly.

There was also a murder of one of the residents. “Pigeon Goldie” Osgood, a retired telephone operator, known for protecting and feeding pigeons in a nearby park, was found dead in his ransacked room on June 4, 1964. He had been stabbed, strangled, and raped. The crime still remains unsolved.
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CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE FOR THE "INVISIBLE LIGHT AGENCY"

[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

WHAT IS THAT SYMBOL?
 Quoting: Ontheverge


we already discussed this "agency" broadly on some pages on this thread, and yes, we noticed it is a pyramide-shaped symbol.
there´s much more to this company, if interested, see page 6 and scroll all down to the 4th thread counted from below.
 Quoting: phoenixe




Interesting - the web site was updated today. - Yet it expired 2/16/2013.

And does not exist, per CA records.

Video Encoded Invisible Light

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Video Encoded Invisible Light (VEIL) is a technology for encoding low-bandwidth digital data bitstream in video signal, developed by VEIL Interactive Technologies. VEIL is compatible with multiple formats of video signals, including PAL, SECAM, and NTSC. The technology is based on a steganographically encoded data stream in the luminance of the videosignal.

A recent application of VEIL, the Veil Rights Assertion Mark (VRAM or V-RAM) is a copy-restriction signal that can be used to ask devices to apply DRM technology. This has been seen as analogous to the broadcast flag. It is also known as "CGMS-A plus Veil" and "broadcast flag on steroids."

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Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.
Okay, not that anyone asked, but here's my observation of the elevator video: She appears to be playing, perhaps a game of hide and seek. IMO, she doesn't look frightened, she looks like she's in game playing mode and doesn't want to lose. The hand gestures and movements outside the elevator have me baffled. I don't know, maybe a game that she thought was innocent but the other person had some very evil intent.
Either way, this case is beyond weird.
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see, i dont think she looks like she's having fun at all, she seems out of it, totally- high, hypnotized, posessed, i dunno, but she comes across very unaturally and uneasily.....
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This whole thing has a supernatural element to it...i am going with the demon spirit thingy. I do believe she got involved with some hotel california shit and they came for her. SAD stuff and scary.
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lam


1. Hit (someone) hard.
2. Escape; flee.


Noun: In flight, esp. from the police.



elisa

1. Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay, an immunological
assay technique making use of an enzyme bonded to
a particular antibody or antigen.

Elisa is a name of Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Elisa is "God's promise".
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The netdetective board (lol) mentioned she wrote about a game on her tumblr called Left for Dead.

Their is also a rooftop . scratching

[link to left4dead.wikia.com]
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[link to guardianlv.com]

Part of its sordid history, involves two serial killers, Richard Ramirez and Jack Unterweger.

Now on death row, Ramirez, labeled “the Nightstalker”, was living at the Cecil Hotel in 1985, in a top floor room. He was charged 14 dollars a night. In a building filled with transients, he remained unnoticed as he stalked and killed his 13 female victims. Richard Schave, said “He was dumping his bloody clothes in the Dumpster, at the end of his evening and returned via the back entrance.”

Jack Unterweger, was a journalist covering crime in Los Angeles for an Austrian magazine in 1991. “We believe he was living at the Cecil Hotel in homage to Ramirez,” Schave said.

He is blamed with killing three prostitutes in Los Angeles, while being a guest at the Cecil.

In the 50’s and 60’s the Cecil was known as a place that people would go to jump out of one of the hotel’s windows to commit suicide.

Helen Gurnee, in her 50s, leaped from a seventh floor window, landing on the Cecil Hotel marquee, on October 22, 1954.

Julia Moore jumped from her eighth floor room window, on February 11, 1962.

Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument with her estranged husband, on October 12, 1962. Otton landed on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the side walk, 90 feet below. Both were killed instantly.

There was also a murder of one of the residents. “Pigeon Goldie” Osgood, a retired telephone operator, known for protecting and feeding pigeons in a nearby park, was found dead in his ransacked room on June 4, 1964. He had been stabbed, strangled, and raped. The crime still remains unsolved.
 Quoting: Ontheverge


thank you, but we already know about the dark history of this hotel on this thread. i suppose everyone knows by know :)
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CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE FOR THE "INVISIBLE LIGHT AGENCY"

[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

WHAT IS THAT SYMBOL?
 Quoting: Ontheverge


we already discussed this "agency" broadly on some pages on this thread, and yes, we noticed it is a pyramide-shaped symbol.
there´s much more to this company, if interested, see page 6 and scroll all down to the 4th thread counted from below.
 Quoting: phoenixe




Interesting - the web site was updated today. - Yet it expired 2/16/2013.

And does not exist, per CA records.

Video Encoded Invisible Light

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Video Encoded Invisible Light (VEIL) is a technology for encoding low-bandwidth digital data bitstream in video signal, developed by VEIL Interactive Technologies. VEIL is compatible with multiple formats of video signals, including PAL, SECAM, and NTSC. The technology is based on a steganographically encoded data stream in the luminance of the videosignal.

A recent application of VEIL, the Veil Rights Assertion Mark (VRAM or V-RAM) is a copy-restriction signal that can be used to ask devices to apply DRM technology. This has been seen as analogous to the broadcast flag. It is also known as "CGMS-A plus Veil" and "broadcast flag on steroids."
 Quoting: Ontheverge


yes, it is interesting. when you go back some pages where we discussed this invisible lights company, you´ll find links to augmented reality artikels and even clips.
made by the company having their office in this hotel.
with former employees having scientology and military weapons connections. all explained well.
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This whole thing has a supernatural element to it...i am going with the demon spirit thingy. I do believe she got involved with some hotel california shit and they came for her. SAD stuff and scary.
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no demons/ghosts needed when you can actually stage them with military weapons technique ! please see sum-up on page 15. you´ll find links there.
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Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.
I know i am repeating myself like a cockatoo by now,
but please, notice:

the elevator video does not contribute anything useful.

there is no information in it.


except, you see it in connection with the plot in the movie "dark water"
(elevator scene/haunted by ghosts/projections in the elevator)
what fits just slightly too perfect...
even if you consider the "invisible man" theory we brought up in this thread (as ghosts/projections).

yes, i do think it is edited.


but most of all, i do think this video is - besides the connection to the movie mentioned above - pure distraction.

please notice, nearly no one is asking "why" and "who did this" - everyone is just posting about this elevator video.

please, let go of this video.

please, ask who did it ? why was it done ? where is the connection ? what is the bigger picture ?

thank you.
hf
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Bernard Diaz, 89, a tenant of the Cecil’s third floor for 32 years, told the Los Angeles Times he’d heard a “tremendous” racket from the floor above on the night Lam disappeared. Police said the only routes to the roof where her body was found were via a fire escape, or a locked, alarmed door accessible only to hotel staff

[link to english.sina.com]
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The netdetective board (lol) mentioned she wrote about a game on her tumblr called Left for Dead.

Their is also a rooftop . scratching

[link to left4dead.wikia.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33232369


i looked this game up;
it has what so many games have: shooting, disease and zombies.
no connection to elisa - besides she wrote about it, so she maybe played it - but not linked to the invisible light agency or someone else we know of.
thanks for bringing this up, but it seems to be a dead end :(
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CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE FOR THE "INVISIBLE LIGHT AGENCY"

[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

WHAT IS THAT SYMBOL?
 Quoting: Ontheverge


we already discussed this "agency" broadly on some pages on this thread, and yes, we noticed it is a pyramide-shaped symbol.
there´s much more to this company, if interested, see page 6 and scroll all down to the 4th thread counted from below.
 Quoting: phoenixe




Interesting - the web site was updated today. - Yet it expired 2/16/2013.

And does not exist, per CA records.

Video Encoded Invisible Light

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Video Encoded Invisible Light (VEIL) is a technology for encoding low-bandwidth digital data bitstream in video signal, developed by VEIL Interactive Technologies. VEIL is compatible with multiple formats of video signals, including PAL, SECAM, and NTSC. The technology is based on a steganographically encoded data stream in the luminance of the videosignal.

A recent application of VEIL, the Veil Rights Assertion Mark (VRAM or V-RAM) is a copy-restriction signal that can be used to ask devices to apply DRM technology. This has been seen as analogous to the broadcast flag. It is also known as "CGMS-A plus Veil" and "broadcast flag on steroids."
 Quoting: Ontheverge


hey idiots....620 South Main Street is not the hotel.

[link to imageshack.us]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34971088


first of all, you don´t call anyone on this thread an idiot !

besides that, as already mentioned just some pages ago, it very well is at the hotel:

do you have proof Invisible Light Technology is located at the Cecil Hotel? I looked at the CGM article and did not see that mentioned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34655569


especially for you :)
btw, in the elevator vid there is a sign reading "visible lights agency"

EDIT: here is the post/vid from another thread with it:
ok if you watch here they have a picture of lift that shows there was a corridor leading from both sides of elevator

at2.05




 Quoting: pinkpixiexx




[link to www.switchboard.com]
and
[link to www.thececilhotel.com]


google maps is your friend,too.
 Quoting: phoenixe


watch your mouth !
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Ok- here goes. And yes, I've read the entire thread.

The address for the Cecil Hotel is 640 S Main St, Los Angeles, CA 90014
[link to www.thececilhotel.com]

The address for the Invisible Light Agency is 620 S Main St #203, Los Angeles, CA 90014
[link to losangeles.citysearch.com]

Anthony Vu worked for the Invisible Light Agency and is now employed by Raytheon.
[link to www.cgchannel.com]
[link to www.linkedin.com]

More on Anthony Vu
[link to www.behance.net]
Important to note: Invisible Light Agency is NOT listed on his LinkedIn profile.
More on Raytheon
Raytheon Company, 870 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451
[link to www.raytheon.com]

Richard Schmelter is in the US Army, lives in South Korea and is the only friend on Elisa Lam's fake Facebook page.
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

An adaptable "invisibility cloak" that hides objects even as they change shape has been unveiled by researchers in the US and South Korea.
[link to physicsworld.com]

My next logical question would have to be: what is Elisa's father's name and does he have any connection to Anthony Vu?
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Bernard Diaz, 89, a tenant of the Cecil’s third floor for 32 years, told the Los Angeles Times he’d heard a “tremendous” racket from the floor above on the night Lam disappeared. Police said the only routes to the roof where her body was found were via a fire escape, or a locked, alarmed door accessible only to hotel staff

[link to english.sina.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32278252


woohooo..!

good find, thank you !

let me add: a company residing in the hotel (like the Invisible lights agency) maybe had a key to the locked alarmed doors as well ..
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Ok- here goes. And yes, I've read the entire thread.

(...)

My next logical question would have to be: what is Elisa's father's name and does he have any connection to Anthony Vu?
 Quoting: IndigoMoon


yes, this is just what we found out, based our theory "who is involved" on and is already posted in the sum-ups.

maybe you can find the answer to your question yourself?

:)

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Why the tank? Why go up to the roof? To meet someone? Or she was taken up there, dead or alive I don't know.

This could be simply a crime of opportunity. She was incapacitated in someway [drunk/high] and the wrong person noticed her and took his [probably a he] opportunity, presumably to sexually assault her and then kill her deliberately or accidently. But this guy knew to take her to the roof and where a good place to hide her would be. He maybe lives there, was staying there himself or visiting someone, or he works there.
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there was a cecil hotel where she is from too

[link to vancouverisawesome.com]

[link to www.vancouverobserver.com]
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Why the tank? Why go up to the roof? To meet someone? Or she was taken up there, dead or alive I don't know.

This could be simply a crime of opportunity. She was incapacitated in someway [drunk/high] and the wrong person noticed her and took his [probably a he] opportunity, presumably to sexually assault her and then kill her deliberately or accidently. But this guy knew to take her to the roof and where a good place to hide her would be. He maybe lives there, was staying there himself or visiting someone, or he works there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30569415


Disposing of a body is a problem in busy urban areas due to the fact you can be easily noticed at any hour of the day. This is why many bodies are found chopped up in bags, or found in obscure places...like a roof-top water tank.
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Another Asian or a group of Asians must be responsible for her death. Chinese criminals are known for dumping bodies inside barrels.

"The 45-gallon drum that held Lu’s body was pulled from the Toronto harbour Sunday".

[link to www.thestar.com]
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Why the tank? Why go up to the roof? To meet someone? Or she was taken up there, dead or alive I don't know.

This could be simply a crime of opportunity. She was incapacitated in someway [drunk/high] and the wrong person noticed her and took his [probably a he] opportunity, presumably to sexually assault her and then kill her deliberately or accidently. But this guy knew to take her to the roof and where a good place to hide her would be. He maybe lives there, was staying there himself or visiting someone, or he works there.
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opportunity crime already ruled out.
too many strange coincidences.
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Bernard Diaz, 89, a tenant of the Cecil’s third floor for 32 years, told the Los Angeles Times he’d heard a “tremendous” racket from the floor above on the night Lam disappeared. Police said the only routes to the roof where her body was found were via a fire escape, or a locked, alarmed door accessible only to hotel staff

[link to english.sina.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32278252


woohooo..!

good find, thank you !

let me add: a company residing in the hotel (like the Invisible lights agency) maybe had a key to the locked alarmed doors as well ..
 Quoting: phoenixe




yup....

this agency has a page on fb, that has only 2 people who like it....perhaps it might be interesting to investigate who they are and what connections they may have....
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I know i am repeating myself like a cockatoo by now,
but please, notice:

the elevator video does not contribute anything useful.

there is no information in it.


except, you see it in connection with the plot in the movie "dark water"
(elevator scene/haunted by ghosts/projections in the elevator)
what fits just slightly too perfect...
even if you consider the "invisible man" theory we brought up in this thread (as ghosts/projections).

yes, i do think it is edited.


but most of all, i do think this video is - besides the connection to the movie mentioned above - pure distraction.

please notice, nearly no one is asking "why" and "who did this" - everyone is just posting about this elevator video.

please, let go of this video.

please, ask who did it ? why was it done ? where is the connection ? what is the bigger picture ?

thank you.
hf
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If that's the case, there wouldn't have been any reason to edit the video just before the doors closed. People are asking those questions, I don't think it's necessary to limit what people ask or discuss.
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Why the tank? Why go up to the roof? To meet someone? Or she was taken up there, dead or alive I don't know.

This could be simply a crime of opportunity. She was incapacitated in someway [drunk/high] and the wrong person noticed her and took his [probably a he] opportunity, presumably to sexually assault her and then kill her deliberately or accidently. But this guy knew to take her to the roof and where a good place to hide her would be. He maybe lives there, was staying there himself or visiting someone, or he works there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30569415


Disposing of a body is a problem in busy urban areas due to the fact you can be easily noticed at any hour of the day. This is why many bodies are found chopped up in bags, or found in obscure places...like a roof-top water tank.
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besides that, as already mentioned on the pages before, disposing in water dissolves DNA marks..

besides that, the strange coincidence with the movie.
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there was a cecil hotel where she is from too

[link to vancouverisawesome.com]

[link to www.vancouverobserver.com]
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thank god they tore that shithole down. imagine the shit that went on in there. gives me the willies.
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^New Picture of graffti near the water tanks.

Anyone know what it means?
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Bernard Diaz, 89, a tenant of the Cecil’s third floor for 32 years, told the Los Angeles Times he’d heard a “tremendous” racket from the floor above on the night Lam disappeared. Police said the only routes to the roof where her body was found were via a fire escape, or a locked, alarmed door accessible only to hotel staff

[link to english.sina.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32278252


woohooo..!

good find, thank you !

let me add: a company residing in the hotel (like the Invisible lights agency) maybe had a key to the locked alarmed doors as well ..
 Quoting: phoenixe


if you have any capacities of doing so, please do!
maybe you call them up tomorrow asking for a job there? ;)

yup....

this agency has a page on fb, that has only 2 people who like it....perhaps it might be interesting to investigate who they are and what connections they may have....
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^New Picture of graffti near the water tanks.

Anyone know what it means?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35056299


is it just me or does it look a bit photoshopped?

can you find other pictures with that on?

it is too "straight in your face" for either being real or being a coincidence.
maybe would be helpful.. :)
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Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.
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^New Picture of graffti near the water tanks.

Anyone know what it means?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35056299


is it just me or does it look a bit photoshopped?

can you find other pictures with that on?

it is too "straight in your face" for either being real or being a coincidence.
maybe would be helpful.. :)
 Quoting: phoenixe



it's from chinese/japanese news:
[link to www.google.com]





GLP