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New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.

 
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To refer to relevant game pictures of Life 4 Death. You can click the following link.

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wow. you may be right on that..

and, btw, with that girl acting like that (or acting whatever), it may be once again: it is not EL in that video!

if you´re ok with that, as this is elevator-video-content-talk, i copy/paste your findings in the other thread :)
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I strongly believe the video is a hoax because why is this the ONLY video to be released? Nearly all hotels and motels now have tons of security cameras all over the place now. Even the smallest 2 story crappy ones have security cams and high surveillance. It's necessary for liability issues in case they're sued or false allegations and security of guests.

So surely this place has other cameras ON THE ROOF and at the water tank itself. And in the hallways and lobby areas. So there must be footage of her wandering the hallways and roof fotage if this indeed happened. It would show exactly how it happened and how she got in there. Unless of course the whole system was disabled.
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I've posted quite a few links that contain links to articles that contain all the most relevant information. I find myself posting the same links over and over again because I don't think anyone actually reads the whole article.
Anyway, there were no cameras on the roof of the hotel...

Lopez said there are no security cameras on the roof.

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

In addition to that another bit of relevant info is that identification of her body was made through "body markings".

LAPD Officer Diana Figueroa told CTV News late Tuesday that officials confirmed the identity through body markings.

Read more: [link to bc.ctvnews.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35260969


that last link is really interesting..

more useful information in this than in any other articles released for a week!

they now tell us indirectly the vid is from jan 31st, where she was last seen at the Cecil, but no one in that article claims any more she did stay there..
and they tell us who had last seen her - and that they never saw her with anyone else.

about the body marking:
they must be talking about a tattoo or something? i´m not familiar with the term body marking itself, teeth maybe ?
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I strongly believe the video is a hoax because why is this the ONLY video to be released? Nearly all hotels and motels now have tons of security cameras all over the place now. Even the smallest 2 story crappy ones have security cams and high surveillance. It's necessary for liability issues in case they're sued or false allegations and security of guests.

So surely this place has other cameras ON THE ROOF and at the water tank itself. And in the hallways and lobby areas. So there must be footage of her wandering the hallways and roof fotage if this indeed happened. It would show exactly how it happened and how she got in there. Unless of course the whole system was disabled.
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I've posted quite a few links that contain links to articles that contain all the most relevant information. I find myself posting the same links over and over again because I don't think anyone actually reads the whole article.
Anyway, there were no cameras on the roof of the hotel...

Lopez said there are no security cameras on the roof.

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

In addition to that another bit of relevant info is that identification of her body was made through "body markings".

LAPD Officer Diana Figueroa told CTV News late Tuesday that officials confirmed the identity through body markings.

Read more: [link to bc.ctvnews.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35260969


that last link is really interesting..

more useful information in this than in any other articles released for a week!

they now tell us indirectly the vid is from jan 31st, where she was last seen at the Cecil, but no one in that article claims any more she did stay there..
and they tell us who had last seen her - and that they never saw her with anyone else.

about the body marking:
they must be talking about a tattoo or something? i´m not familiar with the term body marking itself, teeth maybe ?
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Thanks for reading it :) it did have useful information. About the body markings, it could have been any of the following , birthmarks, scars surgical or injury , tattoo's or a combination of the three. Not teeth. That would be called a dental identification. The fact that they use body marks in plural is also of interest.
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i went through the links you posted, and i honestly don´t think morbid/slitwrist has anything to do with that case.

asian forums/media do fuel that theory, but they are more sensation mongering than any other.
(interesting nonetheless, they actually do show more interest and effort in that case, and have better pictures/info than we get from the US media/LAPD - if you take it with a grain of salt, of course.

but back to morbid: there is absolutely no real reason to assume that he´s a murderer;
don´t judge by the looks or music one loves.

besides it is getting a bit out of control as asians are very much after him, but it´s good promotion for his new album at least.

but... one thing i noticed:
could he be the same (handsome looking) guy who did those other videos with the porn stars / at the cecil? i assume because of his face/nose/looks and interests? maybe was making some bloody morbid vids for his songs back then.
but even if true - not the one we´re looking for.
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Thanks for reading it :) it did have useful information. About the body markings, it could have been any of the following , birthmarks, scars surgical or injury , tattoo's or a combination of the three. Not teeth. That would be called a dental identification. The fact that they use body marks in plural is also of interest.
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thanks for explainin´ it ;)
so she maybe has some scars and some tattoos,
if it can help in identification, nothing wrong with that.

interesting it´s mentioned at all,this meaning either they couldn´t identify her from other things (2-3 weeks in a water tank, no wonder...)- or she has some really obvious body marks that made identification easy.
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Thanks for reading it :) it did have useful information. About the body markings, it could have been any of the following , birthmarks, scars surgical or injury , tattoo's or a combination of the three. Not teeth. That would be called a dental identification. The fact that they use body marks in plural is also of interest.
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thanks for explainin´ it ;)
so she maybe has some scars and some tattoos,
if it can help in identification, nothing wrong with that.

interesting it´s mentioned at all,this meaning either they couldn´t identify her from other things (2-3 weeks in a water tank, no wonder...)- or she has some really obvious body marks that made identification easy.
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I understand her family traveled to the area when she was missing. I would think identifying the body of a loved one found under these circumstances would be hard on the family member confirming the ID. It might be easier on them to make a discreet ID using the body markings. They would not have to have a complete visual of everything her body was subjected to that way , and be left with those images as the last memory of their loved one. I'm sure that would be an unbearable memory to carry around in addition to her death.
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I posted the following information below in another thread but thought I should also bring it here into this thread as it may shed some clarity on the graffiti found on the water tanks.

The three lines above the graffiti looks to me to be a stylized version of the Pachuco Cross prison and gang tattoo. It has been around for a very very long time and was later adopted in the 1940’s by Hispanic gangs.

The Pachuco cross typically has three evenly spaced rays radiating upward. Typically, it is located on the web of the hand. The legend surrounding the cross embraces the idea that the gang member wearing the tattoo has either killed a cop or murdered a rival gang member.

Also the stylized letters of the graffiti on the water towers is of an Hispanic gang type.

I have also heard it said from non Hispanic former prisoners that also sport the tattoo up here in Canada that the number of rays around the cross represent the number of years served in prison. How true that is I do not know but I thought I’d pass on the info to ya.

Google “Pachuco cross” images for examples.
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Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.
interesting...someone has added the image of the 'Hermit' Tarot card to Elisa's Tumblr...

[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

He wears the grey cloak of invisibility. His secrets are not for everyone, only for those earnestly seeking them and those willing to climb the heights to wisdom...

[link to www.biddytarot.com]
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interesting...someone has added the image of the 'Hermit' Tarot card to Elisa's Tumblr...

[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

He wears the grey cloak of invisibility. His secrets are not for everyone, only for those earnestly seeking them and those willing to climb the heights to wisdom...

[link to www.biddytarot.com]
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some glp user kidding us maybe?
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SPEAKEASY put into google translate...to Chinese, is: The crime of Illegal business.


Thought that was interesting
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how did you do that?
i just end up with a bunch of chinese letters ...?
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I typed Speakeasy into Google translate from English to Chinese....then I typed the Chinese characters into Google search. The results I clicked on all had that phrase....so I took that phrase and typed it into google translate from Chinese to English and it came back Speakeasy.

:)
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I strongly believe the video is a hoax because why is this the ONLY video to be released? Nearly all hotels and motels now have tons of security cameras all over the place now. Even the smallest 2 story crappy ones have security cams and high surveillance. It's necessary for liability issues in case they're sued or false allegations and security of guests.

So surely this place has other cameras ON THE ROOF and at the water tank itself. And in the hallways and lobby areas. So there must be footage of her wandering the hallways and roof fotage if this indeed happened. It would show exactly how it happened and how she got in there. Unless of course the whole system was disabled.
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I've posted quite a few links that contain links to articles that contain all the most relevant information. I find myself posting the same links over and over again because I don't think anyone actually reads the whole article.
Anyway, there were no cameras on the roof of the hotel...

Lopez said there are no security cameras on the roof.

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

In addition to that another bit of relevant info is that identification of her body was made through "body markings".

LAPD Officer Diana Figueroa told CTV News late Tuesday that officials confirmed the identity through body markings.

Read more: [link to bc.ctvnews.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35260969


Im reading all your posts, thank you for taking action!
We still waiting from LAPD results, which is:

1.Autopsy, death circumstances
2.Hotel security interrogtion
3.Elisa Lam clothes and shoes
4.Last cell-phone numbers
5.Hotel entrance cameras vids
6.Friends and family interrogation on why she was travelling to LA, her friends there, did she kept self-defence tear gas or whatever
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Look again at that Richard Schmelter's profile pic where he's with the asian girl in the background. I think he's lying that the girl is Korean. The writing on the door is Chinese, and if you look closely, looks like they could be "fai chun" which are 4 character Chinese greetings posted on doors for prosperity, safety, etc...
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Look again at that Richard Schmelter's profile pic where he's with the asian girl in the background. I think he's lying that the girl is Korean. The writing on the door is Chinese, and if you look closely, looks like they could be "fai chun" which are 4 character Chinese greetings posted on doors for prosperity, safety, etc...
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i don´t speak chinese at all. are these greetings popular in asia (outside of china) as well? so many people have chinese signs as a tattoo, for example?
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Look again at that Richard Schmelter's profile pic where he's with the asian girl in the background. I think he's lying that the girl is Korean. The writing on the door is Chinese, and if you look closely, looks like they could be "fai chun" which are 4 character Chinese greetings posted on doors for prosperity, safety, etc...
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okay, found it. yeah, may be! he didn´t post anything public between this pic and the pic with the medals on feb 2nd. and a comment reads "Richard Schmelter Yeh orders for korea again
1. Februar um 03:03 "

i don´t know, if you´re in the army and get some medals, do you get them home in the US or when stationed abroad there?
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"Lam's parents reported the University of British Columbia student missing in early February. Her daily calls home stopped on January 31, police told reporters on February 6 at a Los Angeles news conference.

Because it was an international case -- and her parents and sister flew to California to find answers -- the case may have gotten more attention than most of the several thousand missing person reports made in Los Angeles each year.

A search of the hotel then found no sign of Lam, including a trip to the roof with a police search dog, Lopez said."


do i read that right, they searched hotel/roof with dog when her family arrived but before the body was found? [link to edition.cnn.com]
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"Lam's parents reported the University of British Columbia student missing in early February. Her daily calls home stopped on January 31, police told reporters on February 6 at a Los Angeles news conference.

Because it was an international case -- and her parents and sister flew to California to find answers -- the case may have gotten more attention than most of the several thousand missing person reports made in Los Angeles each year.

A search of the hotel then found no sign of Lam, including a trip to the roof with a police search dog, Lopez said."


do i read that right, they searched hotel/roof with dog when her family arrived but before the body was found? [link to edition.cnn.com]
 Quoting: phoenixe


Yes. Which is why I brought attention to the fact that dogs did not pick up her scent and noted it as extremely relevant. It also raises the possiblility that her body was moved up there and put in the tank after the roof was search by the dogs.
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Did anyone see the creepy update on her tumblr today? It's a tarot card showing a hermit.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"Description: A. E. Waite was a key figure in the development of modern Tarot interpretations. However, not all interpretations follow his theology.
Some frequent keywords are:
Introspection ----- Silence ----- Guidance ----- Reflection
Solitude ----- Looking inward ----- Reclusion ----- Being quiet
Inner search ----- Deep understanding ----- Isolation
Distance ----- Retreat ----- Philosophical attitude"
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Is there anyway to KNOW or VERIFY that this IS in fact her Tumblr?

[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]
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Did anyone see the creepy update on her tumblr today? It's a tarot card showing a hermit.
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yes. see Jinxy McDeaths post just one page ago!
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SAD NEWS folks:

EVERYTHING associated with this Tumblr page and ALL CONCLUSIONS drawn from it, must be discarded.

It belongs to the person who runs this page (her name is Eliza...and she's not the same Elisa)

[link to indulgy.com]
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Here is the person who runs the TUMBLR page
[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]


[link to wikifashion.com]

So...whomever "gave us" this information was either duped, shilling, or neglected to do ANY research. Fortunately, I spent the little bit of time and effort to investigate it myself.
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SAD NEWS folks:

EVERYTHING associated with this Tumblr page and ALL CONCLUSIONS drawn from it, must be discarded.

It belongs to the person who runs this page (her name is Eliza...and she's not the same Elisa)

[link to indulgy.com]
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how do you know?
i can´t see any link from there to the other tumblr?
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Correction...it was probably a combination of the name "Elisa from my last post (link) and the fact that this girl is asian and could resemble Elisa Lam, which caused the confusion surrounding the Tumblr page. Anyhow, it appears THIS is the woman behind the Tumblr page in question.

[link to citizencouture.com]

This was verifiable via a search of the Tumblr ( [link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com] and following the trail.
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Correction...it was probably a combination of the name "Elisa from my last post (link) and the fact that this girl is asian and could resemble Elisa Lam, which caused the confusion surrounding the Tumblr page. Anyhow, it appears THIS is the woman behind the Tumblr page in question.

[link to citizencouture.com]

This was verifiable via a search of the Tumblr ( [link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com] and following the trail.
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i do think you´re talking about this as connection (via google, janie cai tumblr, which has no own tumblr)

(nouvelle-nouveau: (via JANIE CAI | Citizen...) - virtual bric-a-brac
catbossa.tumblr.com/.../nouvelle-nouveau-via-ja... - Diese Seite übersetzen
nouvelle-nouveau: (via JANIE CAI | Citizen Couture) · nouvelle-nouveau: (via JANIE CAI | Citizen Couture). @6 months ago with 15 notes · #janie cai #fashion ...

which, in my understanding, just means: nouvelle-nouveau posted that picture, which was from and tagged with singapore´s designer janie cai.

besides that, nouvelle-nouveau´s tumblr is very different, stops 3 weeks ago, talks about la and that gatesby-eske monstrosity.

no proof this is not EL´s tumblr.


edit:

text below the picture /link:

nouvelle-nouveau:

(via JANIE CAI | Citizen Couture)

@6 months ago with 15 notes
#janie cai #fashion #omg she is so qt

edit:

link [link to catbossa.tumblr.com]

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Just a thought impression after reading this interesting post. Could she be the women of scars? Maybe she had something injected into her that was released into the water. The contagion is now out. I just have a bad feeling about this one... Very evil feeling.... Poor girl, a victim, a mule, and a Korean.
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1.Remember, the video that was released BY THE POLICE was doctored.

2. The only people who can get to the tanks are employees as an employee key is needed to open those doors.

3. Whoever was manning the security camara was most likely controlling the elevator door also.

I went back and watched the video of Elisa in the elevator and I don't think that the 'Oriental Queen' story or the interpretation of her body language is correct. I think the interpretation is disinfo and whoever wrote the 'Oriental Queen' story made sure it matched up. Why do I think this? Because Elisa is clearly very frightened in the elevator.
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1.Remember, the video that was released BY THE POLICE was doctored.

2. The only people who can get to the tanks are employees as an employee key is needed to open those doors.

3. Whoever was manning the security camara was most likely controlling the elevator door also.

I went back and watched the video of Elisa in the elevator and I don't think that the 'Oriental Queen' story or the interpretation of her body language is correct. I think the interpretation is disinfo and whoever wrote the 'Oriental Queen' story made sure it matched up. Why do I think this? Because Elisa is clearly very frightened in the elevator.
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^ I guess number 2 above is wrong.


There is a video where on of Elisa's good friends back in Canada says she was being harassed by the Italian(?) and Mexican (?) mafias.
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1.Remember, the video that was released BY THE POLICE was doctored.

2. The only people who can get to the tanks are employees as an employee key is needed to open those doors.

3. Whoever was manning the security camara was most likely controlling the elevator door also.

I went back and watched the video of Elisa in the elevator and I don't think that the 'Oriental Queen' story or the interpretation of her body language is correct. I think the interpretation is disinfo and whoever wrote the 'Oriental Queen' story made sure it matched up. Why do I think this? Because Elisa is clearly very frightened in the elevator.
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1. agreed. besides, maybe it is all what lapd got from the hotel. but clearly not professional giving an obviously altered video to the public.

i do think it does not show a grain of respect, as who does so expects the people viewing it to be dumb enough not to notice/question it;
or at least, too frightened / too not-caring.
sadly enough, they seem to be right with that assumption, regarding how most people react when seeing the vid.

2. i still don´t buy in that "no one except employees" thing; there´s always a way to open a locked door ;)
maybe the alarm wasn´t working in that run-down hotel, maybe it was as easy as just putting a piece of metal in the keyhole to keep the alarm off when opening the door.
and as some vids proof, one can get up to the roof by the fireladder as well.

3. as someone reported on a hotel check site, one elevator was out of order that day. i don´t have the link at hand right now, but it can be looked up.
if it wasn´t just a coincidence, you´re of course right.
and whoever had the control, altered the vid and knows someone at lapd.
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1.Remember, the video that was released BY THE POLICE was doctored.

2. The only people who can get to the tanks are employees as an employee key is needed to open those doors.

3. Whoever was manning the security camara was most likely controlling the elevator door also.

I went back and watched the video of Elisa in the elevator and I don't think that the 'Oriental Queen' story or the interpretation of her body language is correct. I think the interpretation is disinfo and whoever wrote the 'Oriental Queen' story made sure it matched up. Why do I think this? Because Elisa is clearly very frightened in the elevator.
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^ I guess number 2 above is wrong.


There is a video where on of Elisa's good friends back in Canada says she was being harassed by the Italian(?) and Mexican (?) mafias.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35296420


you got the link to that at hand?

from what i remember, she just noticed those guys showed more interest than she appreciated in her (which i, as a woman, do find not really surprising). no mentioning of mafia afaik. please give the link to proof what you´ve written, as you state it as a fact ;) ty!

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