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New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.

 
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What I find curious is why did 11 people choose to stay in the hotel, and even signed waivers about the water?!
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some people have lived in that hotel for 30+ years apparently..


which is even more freaky to me...

A hotel shouldn't allow anyone to LIVE there for more than a month. I feel...why dont they just buy a condo?
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this is extremely common
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it's all just very weird, i don't know what to make of it.
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It is! And her friend's facebook page, really is interesting, it looks kind of like he doesn't like women, or sees women as just things. Also the photos and friends look interesting, he has a lot of Asian women as facebook friends...does anyone know where he was?

And that this was created right around that time, is really odd.

How do you know it is her official page and not created by someone else though?
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this is what i made this thread about.

a facebook page from elisa lam, out of the blue, created on feb 17th, when she was already dead.

this fb page has only 1 friend, richard schmelter, in whose profil picture you can see a korean girl in the background (according to his comments on the picture from jan 28th.)

according to what is supposed to be her tumbl account, her last entry there is from 3 weeks ago, last entry " arrived in la land"

i have to suppose this richard schmelter made this elisa lam facebook page. (as he is the only friend of this account. it does not seem to be one of the usual "tribute" accounts to a dead person).

but why?
and why on a date where she was already dead?
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Good questions! And it's great you started this thread too.
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Apparently she made signs in the elevator for 'capture' 'computer' and 'friend'
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Where are you getting that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21162599


Its sign language
 Quoting: J&V


Are you verifying this? I'm wondering if it is something being reported or if someone here is reading those hand movements as signs.
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i thought when she was outside the elevator grabbing fingers she was like making points...you know how some people will grab like index finger as first point theyre talking about then she goes to next finger..anyone notice that?
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another odd thing

I checked the EXIF data on the richard pic with her in background


THere is NONE


its been scrubbed. usually its in there.. even after 9-11, they forgot to scrub the exif data and we know from that the hijacked planes had fake passangers and the whole thing about LETS ROLL was fake from EXIF data...

BUT they didnt forget to scrub this picture..

wierd..
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if an image is uploaded to a site like imgur, exif data is erased. this is true for many photo hosting sites.
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she might of had a window view to the the fire escape stairs and that's how she got on the roof....
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Good point, we shouldn't overlook this.
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when first happened i thought people were saying there was video of her and that she went to roof exit...it was first thread on here about it
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if she really said lala land and speakeasy,she was definently partying
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clappa

Leave it to GLP'ers to solve a mystery... and a thread unravels right before our eyes.

Has any of this been submitted to any investigating authorities?
 Quoting: Athena Awakened


i don´t know, and i hope someone did.
what we are discussing here is discussed at another forum as well.
i really do hope someone from the us is reporting it to the police, as you over there know how to do it.
maybe you want to volunteer and report..?
 Quoting: phoenixe


Just got off the phone with my brother. EVERYTHING gets looked into by Homicide Detectives or whoever is assigned to this particular case. ALL social websites (including instagram)and other sites are thoroughly reviewed to see who and what ties in together. This is standard protocol for computer operations. Even though the media may not be discussing this information, he said they're already on it.

Still, good catch OP.
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if she really said lala land and speakeasy,she was definently partying
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lala land the place mind control victims go....
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clappa

Leave it to GLP'ers to solve a mystery... and a thread unravels right before our eyes.

Has any of this been submitted to any investigating authorities?
 Quoting: Athena Awakened


i don´t know, and i hope someone did.
what we are discussing here is discussed at another forum as well.
i really do hope someone from the us is reporting it to the police, as you over there know how to do it.
maybe you want to volunteer and report..?
 Quoting: phoenixe


Just got off the phone with my brother. EVERYTHING gets looked into by Homicide Detectives or whoever is assigned to this particular case. ALL social websites (including instagram)and other sites are thoroughly reviewed to see who and what ties in together. This is standard protocol for computer operations. Even though the media may not be discussing this information, he said they're already on it.

Still, good catch OP.
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thank you very much for calling your brother.
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...

i tried to put things together (please add/correct if something is missing/wrong):


- girl with "mental issues" (depression/bipolar)prefers
contacts to persons over the internet.

- travels alone and ends up dead in a water tank where she
couldn´t have got in on her own due to the construction
of the tank

- was found dead on feb 19th and said to be missing 2 weeks

- last twitter on jan 28th, "speakeasy" maybe referring to
a secret club in LA
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

- hotel review from vancouver customer on expedia on feb
13th
[link to www.expedia.ca]

- last tumblr pic on the feb 18th
[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

- mysterious facebook page "elisa lam" created on feb 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- mysterious and only fb friend of her page: richard.
friends since 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- richard lives (according to fb) in south korea and has
many korean friends, is in the army and has a profile
picture with an asian woman in the background, commented
on jan 2nd to be a korean friend which is late

- according to her instagram
[link to instagram.com]
she and richard [link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
either have the same race of dog (malteser) or know each
other at least since oct 2012, were pictures of this dog
show up in her instagram (on richards fb pics of this dog
since at least sept 2011)


not yet mentioned in this thread:

this pic showing an "elisa lam" in bondage gear

[link to www.supermodelme.tv]

(i suppose it is her. with being bipolar and all, it just fits in the bigger picture..)

last tumblr entry from her from "3 weeks ago":

[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

I have arrived in Laland…

and there is a monstrosity of a building next to the place I’m staying

when I say monstrosity mind you I’m saying as in gaudy

but then again it was built in 1928 hence the art deco theme so yes it IS classy but then since it’s LA it went on crack

Fairly certain this is where Baz Lurhmann needs to film the Great Gatsby
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clappa

Leave it to GLP'ers to solve a mystery... and a thread unravels right before our eyes.

Has any of this been submitted to any investigating authorities?
 Quoting: Athena Awakened


i don´t know, and i hope someone did.
what we are discussing here is discussed at another forum as well.
i really do hope someone from the us is reporting it to the police, as you over there know how to do it.
maybe you want to volunteer and report..?
 Quoting: phoenixe


Just got off the phone with my brother. EVERYTHING gets looked into by Homicide Detectives or whoever is assigned to this particular case. ALL social websites (including instagram)and other sites are thoroughly reviewed to see who and what ties in together. This is standard protocol for computer operations. Even though the media may not be discussing this information, he said they're already on it.

Still, good catch OP.
 Quoting: Athena Awakened



thank you very much for calling your brother.
 Quoting: phoenixe


Sure, you're welcome hf
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Some people are still suggesting Ms. Lam would not have been able to get on top of the Water Tank. This is Incorrect.

Notice in this picture, in the Upper Right, there is a Big Red Ladder. This ladder could put self on top of the roof entrance structure. At this point, take an easy 5 paces and lower self 6 feet down to the tops of the *UNLOCKED* water tanks.
Also, notice the very Bottom Left corner shows 1 of 3 fire escape ladders giving access to the rooftop of Hotel Cecil in the first damn place.

[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]


We've all got to look a little closer.
I will post this video again in an attempt to display the ease of access to the rooftop of Hotel Cecil. Some of you must've watched it. It has gone from 29 to 604 views in the last 24 hours and it is a year old)


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Here is how we will be able to tell if there is something nefarious behind Elisa Lam's death: The MSM will abruptly stop covering it.

I am shocked it has not gotten more airplay!


Especially when you consider how much attention was paid to:
Trayvon Martin case (suddenly gone- since the story of evidence tampering by msm)
Casey Anthony (I now believe this was an ultra-real t.v. show-type event, a la War of the World on radio...meaning, the audience was never told it was fiction.)

Now Oscar Pistorious is the lead story on every single website, tv station, msm radio station.....HMMMM???



You would think the mysterious death of an attractive 24 year old girl, who wound up in the water tank of a major, prominent hotel, where guests DRANK and BATHED in the water containing her rotting CORPSE for more than a week, would warrant major coverage....but, oddly the msm is pretty silent!

Conclusions to draw from the statement above: Either the hotel has paid some major HUSH $$$ to the msm outlets to make the story "go away" or else major players are involved and have used connections to pull the plug on the coverage.
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


It is because there are wealthy private people behind it. The FB page is moot. No one in their right nor crazed mind would deliberately link themselves to this case. It is a detour agent.
The correlation between her name "Elisa Lam" and the news coverage of the potential TB outbreak and the antigen for it called "LAM ELISA" is too uncanny to ignore. There is something far more devious going on and those involved know what they are doing and have the means to get it accomplished. This is no hoodlum job.
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with corrections/additions!

i tried to put things together (please add/correct if something is missing/wrong):


- 21 year old Canadian student Elisa Lam with
"mental issues" (depression/bipolar)prefers contacts to
persons over the internet.

- travels alone and ends up dead in a water tank where
she either was put in or got in on her own in Cecil Hotel.


- was found dead on feb 19th and said to be decomposing
in there for more than 2 weeks


- last seen alive in the hotel according to LAPD on Jan
31st
[link to edition.cnn.com]


- Lam Elisa is a tuberculosis test
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


- tuberculosis outbreak around the same date she was
found in the same L.A. neighbourhood [link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]


- last twitter on jan 28th, "speakeasy" maybe referring to
a secret club in LA
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

- hotel review from vancouver customer on expedia on feb
13th
[link to www.expedia.ca]

- last tumblr pic on the feb 18th
[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

- mysterious facebook page "elisa lam" created on feb 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- mysterious and only fb friend of her page: richard.
friends since 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- richard lives (according to fb) in south korea and has
many korean friends, is in the army and has a profile
picture with an asian woman in the background, commented
on jan 2nd to be a korean friend which is late

- according to her instagram
[link to instagram.com]
she and richard [link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
either have the same race of dog (malteser) or know each
other at least since oct 2012, were pictures of this dog
show up in her instagram (on richards fb pics of this dog
since at least sept 2011)


not yet mentioned in this thread:

this pic showing an "elisa lam" in bondage gear

[link to www.supermodelme.tv]

(i suppose it is her. with being bipolar and all, it just fits in the bigger picture..)

last tumblr entry from her from "3 weeks ago":

[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

I have arrived in Laland…

and there is a monstrosity of a building next to the place I’m staying

when I say monstrosity mind you I’m saying as in gaudy

but then again it was built in 1928 hence the art deco theme so yes it IS classy but then since it’s LA it went on crack

Fairly certain this is where Baz Lurhmann needs to film the Great Gatsby
 Quoting: phoenixe


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I know the quickest dismissal is drug induced behavior but I disagree. I've watched the clip many times with various narratives and I don't think she is drugged at all. This is the narrative I believe that happened. She's on the 15th floor and something has happened to scare her prior to getting into the elevator.

When the door opens, she immediately begins pushing all the center buttons on the elevator panel. Starting from 14, 10, 7, 4 M, B, door open as seen here to throw off anyone who is following:

[link to postimage.org]

This is the actual elevator panel from the Cecil hotel. Because she's not wearing her glasses, she can't see clearly and accidentally hits the door hold button. She hides in the corner and waits, but the door doesn't close. She starts to get frustrated when the door isn't closing and doesn't want to be caught cornered in an elevator that isn't going anywhere so she waits in the hall.

She comes back in the elevator and presses all the buttons again to try and activate the elevator. She's frustrated and wants the elevator to close, but not with her outside. The weird hand movements is her trying to activate or stimulate the infrared sensor that prevents the door from closing when someone is in the way.


"she is clearly being asked by someone to step out of the elevator doors and move to the left side and against the wall. "


I think you're right about this. Someone is just to the left. I know she's in Elevator 1, which would be the one on the left (facing the elevators) which means there is an elevator to her left. I know she's also on the 15th floor because the walls of the hotel are green on the 14th floor as seen here. When the door finally closes, you can see each light go off one by one starting with the top button.

Further analysis:

I watched and my initial reaction was that she was on some kind of dissasociative drug due to the specific movements, block steps, wide stances. The weird hand movements. The first thing I said was "I think I know what she is on".

Well... I was then told she ended up in a tank of water. It is common for people to take disassociatives to have out of body experiences, being in water results in sensory deprivation.

But after a few more watches and learning about this woman I changed my mind all together and I will try to break down my thoughts here watching this video frame by frame.

- She enters the elevator with her head down, with a purpose. As if she had just been assaulted sexually or offended or cat-called. She is NOT wearing her glasses. The theories that she left her room quickly to use the restroom without them is just improbable. I wear glasses and contacts and I can't see anything without them, they are the first thing I reach for when doing anything other than sleeping if I am not wearing contacts (I don't if she has contacts). When she goes to stand she has her hands clenched suggesting anxiety which so far, she seems to have under some kind of control.

- When she goes to press the buttons she gets very close, indicating she has horrible vision like mine and is pointing her finger a bit away from the buttons which I think was done so she could squint and make out the buttons without hitting the wrong one (like Door Open or Hold)

- She stands there a bit then darts out keeping a foot in the elevator and does a look both ways very quickly, then quickly gets back inside, which indicates to me that she did not want to activate the motion sensors that will retract the doors if they were to try to close. When she returns she still stands in the middle of the Elevator. Remember here her vision is so bad that she cant see the buttons until they are right in front of her, how far could she possibly see down that hall? My vision is so bad I cant even make out the E during an eye exam, I barely even see a color change to know a letter is there.

- She moves to the right with her hands clasped. Then quickly to the corner by the buttons. Her head turns to the right. Indicating she heard something, that would be the safest place to be out of site. People say she has a smile here, I disagree. I have been in a few shady situations in public and at home. When I am trying to hide or be quiet, I breathe out of my mouth to control my breath and avoid any accidental nose whistling or stuffiness.

- She creeps to the precipice still "safely" inside the elevator, head goes LEFT to right to hear, or see, which indicates to me she determined the sound came from the left. Then there is the odd hop. If she had heard someone or something the hop could have been to make a noise to indicate to "whoever" that someone is on that floor to maybe scare them away. I considered momentarily it was shock at seeing someone but if you jumped out of shock your hands would come out of your pockets, it would not be a specific stance you jumped into. I believe that stance was chosen by here to make the loudest noise.

- She steps to the side again in to that same stance as if she is going to make the noise with her feet again, but thinks twice (heard something still coming her way?" and moves to having her feet together, still as can be, for stealth purposes and listening. She backs into then out of the elevator, she sees someone right here, to the right, or knows they are too close to hide. She is seeming to be just "waiting for the elevator" maybe to hide the fact its already open.

- She steps again to the left. Barely in view of the camera. It is my understanding there was another elevator to her left, perhaps she pressed that button as well 'just in case'. For the first time her hands drop and swing freely, I believe to mask her fear because she is definitely within site of someone now, her hands go up as if to indicate frustration with the elevators, to show a relaxed stretch to the person, behind her head like impatiently waiting. Perhaps some small talk is going on here, who knows we can't see. She cant see well either, she turns back to the camera with eyes closed as if she just realized the gravity of the situation, her hands go for the doors to "feel" the opening because she has her eyes closed and is realizing the situation is worse and her life truly is in danger.

- She presses buttons not with more vigor, without the specific movements before, desperately. She touches one multiple times over and over harder and harder and it also is the last one she presses (Door closed?) She moves out again hands messing with hair stands out of view but her skirt is moving which indicates to me she is talking now and soon she turns right, obviously speaking to someone.

- The first movement she leans forward, her palm turns inward towards herself a minute and then she motions to the elevator moving her hand back and forth, I believe that here she is explaining the problem with the elevator and concern something is tied up with the motion sensor to seem like she feels calm and maybe convince the person she is not afraid so they wont hurt her. What fun is pursuing a victim who isn't afraid?

- She moves her right hand over and over in circles, like she is saying "Then I tried this, then I tried that" her hands go down, palm up as if she were saying " Do you know what's wrong?" "Can you help me?". Asking someone for a favor or help is known in Psychiatry to make the person immidiately feel personal and friendly towards you.

- I believe here her arms cross for a second, then she bends in the knees and starts counting off things on her fingers. A bend in the knees indicates weakness. I have two ideas. She is naming everything she has tried to do to fix the elevator, or she is personalizing herself to the person which if you travel alone as a woman you know that the more you personalize yourself to a potential thread, the less likely they are to act.

- Her hands then clasp together and she pulls them into her chest with another bend in the knee. Imagine yourself begging "Please PLEASE PLEASE dont hurt me". With each please, you would bend in the knees. Try it. She bends twice more and the last bend in the knees is lower, more emphasized, and desperate. Her hands are clasped again at her side, she runs her fingers through her hair in anxiety. She steps forward slowly, makes a very specific and curt turn to the right as if she knows what is about to happen,and is making herself move despite fear. The end. The elevator finally closes, I still have no clue why it was open so long unless she kept mistakingly pressing HOLD which I dont know how long a hold lasts if someone knows I will attempt to time it between the two occasions she presses buttons.

Holes in theories:

Suicide:
That floor is closest to the roof. She is trying to get down from there. She obviously has no desire to be on that floor.

Bipolar:
Maybe she is bipolar, OCD, and ADD as is suggested in blogs that I do not know are verified as being hers and she is having some sort of manic or depressive psychotic episode. Trust me I am all three of those diagnoses and have had those swings before I was stable on medication and it would not drive me to act this way or do something as drastic as jump in a water cistern. Honestly, I wouldn't know that's what the tank was or that there was a way to get in to one. I see her actions as being very calm and calculated and SMART.

Running out of sleeping pills/ On drugs:
This blows a hole straight through the idea she was on a hypnotic sleep aid which CAN make you act this way. On any drug that causes hallucinations INCLUDING AMBIEN I -know- that you could not behave this reasonably. She would get caught up in staring at the buttons, feeling the walls or carpet, staring at the patterns in the floor, especially when fear is invoked on this type of substance she would be thrown into a hallucinogenic nightmare and would be more terrified.

She's playing some sort of prank? That is ridiculous in my opinion. I have travelled alone since I could drive. Even meeting up with internet friends and staying in a hotel with them without having met them before. I know the dangers of travelling alone as a woman and made myself aware of safety precautions and how to act when in a sticky situation. Young women disappearing is all over the news, and safety precautions too. I belive this woman is smart, and wouldn't have purposefully put herself in this kind of danger.

I have a ton of unanswered questions but the MOST important point I have to make is....

We HAVE NO SOUND
Sound could change the way we view this entirely. If I knew how, I would throw in some sounds at certain intervals just to prove how it would change the interpretation of the video itself. Keep that in mind when assessing this obviously edited video.

THAT'S MY ANALYSIS

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everything happening on her social network accounts after jan 31st could not be made by herself.
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Some people are still suggesting Ms. Lam would not have been able to get on top of the Water Tank. This is Incorrect.

Notice in this picture, in the Upper Right, there is a Big Red Ladder. This ladder could put self on top of the roof entrance structure. At this point, take an easy 5 paces and lower self 6 feet down to the tops of the *UNLOCKED* water tanks.
Also, notice the very Bottom Left corner shows 1 of 3 fire escape ladders giving access to the rooftop of Hotel Cecil in the first damn place.

[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]


We've all got to look a little closer.
I will post this video again in an attempt to display the ease of access to the rooftop of Hotel Cecil. Some of you must've watched it. It has gone from 29 to 604 views in the last 24 hours and it is a year old)



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so your implying a women who can barely stand up and punch some buttons in an elevator who seems to be seeing invisible beings or is drugged is going to be able to climb a fire escape ladder John McClane style and get down into a water tank to kill herself..

i'm not buying it..
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[link to maps.google.com]

Check that out.... a good overall image of the ROOF....


wtf is the Invisible Light AGENCY? I see it listed as being that the Hotel Cecil?
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I know the quickest dismissal is drug induced behavior but I disagree. I've watched the clip many times with various narratives and I don't think she is drugged at all. This is the narrative I believe that happened. She's on the 15th floor and something has happened to scare her prior to getting into the elevator.

When the door opens, she immediately begins pushing all the center buttons on the elevator panel. Starting from 14, 10, 7, 4 M, B, door open as seen here to throw off anyone who is following:

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This is the actual elevator panel from the Cecil hotel. Because she's not wearing her glasses, she can't see clearly and accidentally hits the door hold button. She hides in the corner and waits, but the door doesn't close. She starts to get frustrated when the door isn't closing and doesn't want to be caught cornered in an elevator that isn't going anywhere so she waits in the hall.

She comes back in the elevator and presses all the buttons again to try and activate the elevator. She's frustrated and wants the elevator to close, but not with her outside. The weird hand movements is her trying to activate or stimulate the infrared sensor that prevents the door from closing when someone is in the way.


"she is clearly being asked by someone to step out of the elevator doors and move to the left side and against the wall. "


I think you're right about this. Someone is just to the left. I know she's in Elevator 1, which would be the one on the left (facing the elevators) which means there is an elevator to her left. I know she's also on the 15th floor because the walls of the hotel are green on the 14th floor as seen here. When the door finally closes, you can see each light go off one by one starting with the top button.

Further analysis:

I watched and my initial reaction was that she was on some kind of dissasociative drug due to the specific movements, block steps, wide stances. The weird hand movements. The first thing I said was "I think I know what she is on".

Well... I was then told she ended up in a tank of water. It is common for people to take disassociatives to have out of body experiences, being in water results in sensory deprivation.

But after a few more watches and learning about this woman I changed my mind all together and I will try to break down my thoughts here watching this video frame by frame.

- She enters the elevator with her head down, with a purpose. As if she had just been assaulted sexually or offended or cat-called. She is NOT wearing her glasses. The theories that she left her room quickly to use the restroom without them is just improbable. I wear glasses and contacts and I can't see anything without them, they are the first thing I reach for when doing anything other than sleeping if I am not wearing contacts (I don't if she has contacts). When she goes to stand she has her hands clenched suggesting anxiety which so far, she seems to have under some kind of control.

- When she goes to press the buttons she gets very close, indicating she has horrible vision like mine and is pointing her finger a bit away from the buttons which I think was done so she could squint and make out the buttons without hitting the wrong one (like Door Open or Hold)

- She stands there a bit then darts out keeping a foot in the elevator and does a look both ways very quickly, then quickly gets back inside, which indicates to me that she did not want to activate the motion sensors that will retract the doors if they were to try to close. When she returns she still stands in the middle of the Elevator. Remember here her vision is so bad that she cant see the buttons until they are right in front of her, how far could she possibly see down that hall? My vision is so bad I cant even make out the E during an eye exam, I barely even see a color change to know a letter is there.

- She moves to the right with her hands clasped. Then quickly to the corner by the buttons. Her head turns to the right. Indicating she heard something, that would be the safest place to be out of site. People say she has a smile here, I disagree. I have been in a few shady situations in public and at home. When I am trying to hide or be quiet, I breathe out of my mouth to control my breath and avoid any accidental nose whistling or stuffiness.

- She creeps to the precipice still "safely" inside the elevator, head goes LEFT to right to hear, or see, which indicates to me she determined the sound came from the left. Then there is the odd hop. If she had heard someone or something the hop could have been to make a noise to indicate to "whoever" that someone is on that floor to maybe scare them away. I considered momentarily it was shock at seeing someone but if you jumped out of shock your hands would come out of your pockets, it would not be a specific stance you jumped into. I believe that stance was chosen by here to make the loudest noise.

- She steps to the side again in to that same stance as if she is going to make the noise with her feet again, but thinks twice (heard something still coming her way?" and moves to having her feet together, still as can be, for stealth purposes and listening. She backs into then out of the elevator, she sees someone right here, to the right, or knows they are too close to hide. She is seeming to be just "waiting for the elevator" maybe to hide the fact its already open.

- She steps again to the left. Barely in view of the camera. It is my understanding there was another elevator to her left, perhaps she pressed that button as well 'just in case'. For the first time her hands drop and swing freely, I believe to mask her fear because she is definitely within site of someone now, her hands go up as if to indicate frustration with the elevators, to show a relaxed stretch to the person, behind her head like impatiently waiting. Perhaps some small talk is going on here, who knows we can't see. She cant see well either, she turns back to the camera with eyes closed as if she just realized the gravity of the situation, her hands go for the doors to "feel" the opening because she has her eyes closed and is realizing the situation is worse and her life truly is in danger.

- She presses buttons not with more vigor, without the specific movements before, desperately. She touches one multiple times over and over harder and harder and it also is the last one she presses (Door closed?) She moves out again hands messing with hair stands out of view but her skirt is moving which indicates to me she is talking now and soon she turns right, obviously speaking to someone.

- The first movement she leans forward, her palm turns inward towards herself a minute and then she motions to the elevator moving her hand back and forth, I believe that here she is explaining the problem with the elevator and concern something is tied up with the motion sensor to seem like she feels calm and maybe convince the person she is not afraid so they wont hurt her. What fun is pursuing a victim who isn't afraid?

- She moves her right hand over and over in circles, like she is saying "Then I tried this, then I tried that" her hands go down, palm up as if she were saying " Do you know what's wrong?" "Can you help me?". Asking someone for a favor or help is known in Psychiatry to make the person immidiately feel personal and friendly towards you.

- I believe here her arms cross for a second, then she bends in the knees and starts counting off things on her fingers. A bend in the knees indicates weakness. I have two ideas. She is naming everything she has tried to do to fix the elevator, or she is personalizing herself to the person which if you travel alone as a woman you know that the more you personalize yourself to a potential thread, the less likely they are to act.

- Her hands then clasp together and she pulls them into her chest with another bend in the knee. Imagine yourself begging "Please PLEASE PLEASE dont hurt me". With each please, you would bend in the knees. Try it. She bends twice more and the last bend in the knees is lower, more emphasized, and desperate. Her hands are clasped again at her side, she runs her fingers through her hair in anxiety. She steps forward slowly, makes a very specific and curt turn to the right as if she knows what is about to happen,and is making herself move despite fear. The end. The elevator finally closes, I still have no clue why it was open so long unless she kept mistakingly pressing HOLD which I dont know how long a hold lasts if someone knows I will attempt to time it between the two occasions she presses buttons.

Holes in theories:

Suicide:
That floor is closest to the roof. She is trying to get down from there. She obviously has no desire to be on that floor.

Bipolar:
Maybe she is bipolar, OCD, and ADD as is suggested in blogs that I do not know are verified as being hers and she is having some sort of manic or depressive psychotic episode. Trust me I am all three of those diagnoses and have had those swings before I was stable on medication and it would not drive me to act this way or do something as drastic as jump in a water cistern. Honestly, I wouldn't know that's what the tank was or that there was a way to get in to one. I see her actions as being very calm and calculated and SMART.

Running out of sleeping pills/ On drugs:
This blows a hole straight through the idea she was on a hypnotic sleep aid which CAN make you act this way. On any drug that causes hallucinations INCLUDING AMBIEN I -know- that you could not behave this reasonably. She would get caught up in staring at the buttons, feeling the walls or carpet, staring at the patterns in the floor, especially when fear is invoked on this type of substance she would be thrown into a hallucinogenic nightmare and would be more terrified.

She's playing some sort of prank? That is ridiculous in my opinion. I have travelled alone since I could drive. Even meeting up with internet friends and staying in a hotel with them without having met them before. I know the dangers of travelling alone as a woman and made myself aware of safety precautions and how to act when in a sticky situation. Young women disappearing is all over the news, and safety precautions too. I belive this woman is smart, and wouldn't have purposefully put herself in this kind of danger.

I have a ton of unanswered questions but the MOST important point I have to make is....

We HAVE NO SOUND
Sound could change the way we view this entirely. If I knew how, I would throw in some sounds at certain intervals just to prove how it would change the interpretation of the video itself. Keep that in mind when assessing this obviously edited video.

THAT'S MY ANALYSIS

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She is a schizophrenic, she is obviously contemplating suicide and wandering between floors and the halls in hopes of seeing someone, anyone who can help and keep her from harming herself, she is desperate for attention, battling her inner demons, unfortunately, they won!
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...

with corrections/additions!

i tried to put things together (please add/correct if something is missing/wrong):


- 21 year old Canadian student Elisa Lam with
"mental issues" (depression/bipolar)prefers contacts to
persons over the internet.

- travels alone and ends up dead in a water tank where
she either was put in or got in on her own in Cecil Hotel.


- was found dead on feb 19th and said to be decomposing
in there for more than 2 weeks


- last seen alive in the hotel according to LAPD on Jan
31st
[link to edition.cnn.com]


- Lam Elisa is a tuberculosis test
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


- tuberculosis outbreak around the same date she was
found in the same L.A. neighbourhood [link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]


- last twitter on jan 28th, "speakeasy" maybe referring to
a secret club in LA
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

- hotel review from vancouver customer on expedia on feb
13th
[link to www.expedia.ca]

- last tumblr pic on the feb 18th
[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

- mysterious facebook page "elisa lam" created on feb 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- mysterious and only fb friend of her page: richard.
friends since 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- richard lives (according to fb) in south korea and has
many korean friends, is in the army and has a profile
picture with an asian woman in the background, commented
on jan 2nd to be a korean friend which is late

- according to her instagram
[link to instagram.com]
she and richard [link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
either have the same race of dog (malteser) or know each
other at least since oct 2012, were pictures of this dog
show up in her instagram (on richards fb pics of this dog
since at least sept 2011)


not yet mentioned in this thread:

this pic showing an "elisa lam" in bondage gear

[link to www.supermodelme.tv]

(i suppose it is her. with being bipolar and all, it just fits in the bigger picture..)

last tumblr entry from her from "3 weeks ago":

[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

I have arrived in Laland…

and there is a monstrosity of a building next to the place I’m staying

when I say monstrosity mind you I’m saying as in gaudy

but then again it was built in 1928 hence the art deco theme so yes it IS classy but then since it’s LA it went on crack

Fairly certain this is where Baz Lurhmann needs to film the Great Gatsby
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 Quoting: phoenixe


everything is fine but the pic is not in bondage.. shes holding up her ponytails. just fyi.
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what time was the elevator video?
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[link to maps.google.com]

Check that out.... a good overall image of the ROOF....


wtf is the Invisible Light AGENCY? I see it listed as being that the Hotel Cecil?
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[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

but page not loading for me. just that pyramide shaped logo

620 S Main Street Suite 203 Los Angeles, CA 90014

which means this agency is located in the cecil hotel.
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...

with corrections/additions!

i tried to put things together (please add/correct if something is missing/wrong):


- 21 year old Canadian student Elisa Lam with
"mental issues" (depression/bipolar)prefers contacts to
persons over the internet.

- travels alone and ends up dead in a water tank where
she either was put in or got in on her own in Cecil Hotel.


- was found dead on feb 19th and said to be decomposing
in there for more than 2 weeks


- last seen alive in the hotel according to LAPD on Jan
31st
[link to edition.cnn.com]


- Lam Elisa is a tuberculosis test
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


- tuberculosis outbreak around the same date she was
found in the same L.A. neighbourhood [link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]


- last twitter on jan 28th, "speakeasy" maybe referring to
a secret club in LA
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

- hotel review from vancouver customer on expedia on feb
13th
[link to www.expedia.ca]

- last tumblr pic on the feb 18th
[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

- mysterious facebook page "elisa lam" created on feb 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- mysterious and only fb friend of her page: richard.
friends since 21st
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

- richard lives (according to fb) in south korea and has
many korean friends, is in the army and has a profile
picture with an asian woman in the background, commented
on jan 2nd to be a korean friend which is late

- according to her instagram
[link to instagram.com]
she and richard [link to www.facebook.com (secure)]
either have the same race of dog (malteser) or know each
other at least since oct 2012, were pictures of this dog
show up in her instagram (on richards fb pics of this dog
since at least sept 2011)


not yet mentioned in this thread:

this pic showing an "elisa lam"

[link to www.supermodelme.tv]



last tumblr entry from her from "3 weeks ago":

[link to nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com]

I have arrived in Laland…

and there is a monstrosity of a building next to the place I’m staying

when I say monstrosity mind you I’m saying as in gaudy

but then again it was built in 1928 hence the art deco theme so yes it IS classy but then since it’s LA it went on crack

Fairly certain this is where Baz Lurhmann needs to film the Great Gatsby

--------------------------------------------------
added:

[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

pyramide shaped logo, located at the cecil hotel

620 S Main Street Suite 203 Los Angeles, CA 90014

 Quoting: phoenixe


Last Edited by Doomina on 02/23/2013 11:02 PM
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Some people are still suggesting Ms. Lam would not have been able to get on top of the Water Tank. This is Incorrect.

Notice in this picture, in the Upper Right, there is a Big Red Ladder. This ladder could put self on top of the roof entrance structure. At this point, take an easy 5 paces and lower self 6 feet down to the tops of the *UNLOCKED* water tanks.
Also, notice the very Bottom Left corner shows 1 of 3 fire escape ladders giving access to the rooftop of Hotel Cecil in the first damn place.

[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]


We've all got to look a little closer.
I will post this video again in an attempt to display the ease of access to the rooftop of Hotel Cecil. Some of you must've watched it. It has gone from 29 to 604 views in the last 24 hours and it is a year old)



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so your implying a women who can barely stand up and punch some buttons in an elevator who seems to be seeing invisible beings or is drugged is going to be able to climb a fire escape ladder John McClane style and get down into a water tank to kill herself..

i'm not buying it..
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Drugged-Up folks have a tendency to climb shit. They are also, it seems, very very damn good at it. As far as your Die-Hard reference goes, its 2 normal ladders with a combined height of maybe 20-22 feet. I hope this helps. Thank you for the bump. :)
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[link to maps.google.com]

Check that out.... a good overall image of the ROOF....


wtf is the Invisible Light AGENCY? I see it listed as being that the Hotel Cecil?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34984454


[link to www.invisiblelight.tv]

but page not loading for me. just that pyramide shaped logo

620 S Main Street Suite 203 Los Angeles, CA 90014

which means this agency is located in the cecil hotel.
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odd

[link to invisiblelight.tv]

login page..
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I think when she's moving her hands awkwardly in front of the sensor it's again because of her lack of glasses. You're more likely to not pay attention to how your hand gestures look if you can't see them, so I think it still holds up that she may have not been talking with anyone.
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sorry if posted

[link to abclocal.go.com]

so she didnt drown,because wouldve found water in lungs..right?
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People are looking way too much into the video.

It is obvious to be the video was edited near the end. The time sequence pauses. There isn't as much a murder to solve here as there is a message to heed. Why did the police release this video? It has been edited and there really isn't anything to learn from it yet THEY knew it would become viral and people would watch it over and over again. There are definitely other video cameras around the building that would show more of her "story" but they aren't releasing those.

As far as Richard's Facebook page goes I find his friends list very odd. Why is this white guy mainly friends with Asain girls?

I get the feeling more and more like this is more of a story that we're suppose to take a message from (possibly the obvious TB) connection but I just don't know. Just don't waste too much time going over the video because it was obviously edited and put together so we would see what they wanted us to see and nothing more.
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But the suspicious death of the 21-year-old is only the latest in a series of unfortunate incidents that have taken place at the Cecil, which dates back to the 1920s and is located near the city’s seedy Skid Row. “There were murders there in the 20s and 30s,” Chris Nichols, associate editor of Los Angeles Magazine, told South California Public Radio. In 1962, a 27-year-old woman jumped out of a window, killing herself and the pedestrian she landed on. In 1964, Goldie Olsen — a former telephone operator known as the pigeon lady of Pershing Square — was found strangled to death in her room, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Two infamous serial killers, Richard Ramirez, the “Night Stalker,” and Austrian journalist Jack Unterweger, are believed to have stayed at the Cecil during the 1980s. Ramirez was a regular who reportedly checked in for 14 days, paying $14 a night. He was later found guilty of 13 murders and is currently on death row in California. Unterweger, who had been convicted of murder in 1974 in Austria but released in the 1990s, was later charged with killing 11 prostitutes while on parole, including three found strangled “with their bras” during his stay in Los Angeles. He was convicted of nine of the murders in 1994 and hung himself in his cell the following day.

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