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DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. my minds still blown from going from the fb guy,link to stealth company,linkd to us and sk,linkd to fb guy lives in sk;linked to company with the pod...crazy shit |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. Did anybody else happen to see this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32791400 If you pause the hotel elevator video at 2:10, you can see Elisa making an X sign with her index fingers, WARNING as in "sTAY AWAY" or "GET BACK"! i took it as shes like talking with hands and making points,because she does it like thats first thing,then again like saying second thing |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35061027 India 02/24/2013 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. why would anyone think this is a suicide ? she was found dead in the most unlikely place in LA she was perfectly alright teenage girl that you can judge from her tweets and tumblr never did she mention anything abt drugs inspite of that people are speculating she was under influence i think she might have played along with her stalker on elevator may be he? could be her boyfriend ? |
phoenixe (OP) User ID: 34782429 Germany 02/24/2013 04:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. it is all about the way the coroner said what he said... Quoting: phoenixe easiest answer would have been: she drowned in there (..with most possible option: got in the tank by herself) but she did not have signs of drowning, conscious or unconscious, so this was ruled out. next best answer would have been: she died of lack of oxygen (still with the option, she got in the tank herself) he did not say that - because they ruled this out as well. no signs in/on her body for that (eg if she was trapped, she would have marks from scratching the inner tank on her fingers, broken nails, rust under the nails and stuff) what´s left after that: she died, but with no signs from dying in the tank due to drowning (conscious or unconscious) or lack of oxygen. so dying in the tank can be ruled out. what´s left now: she died. outside the tank. reason yet unknown. therefore tests of toxics (and other stuff..) but died not long ago before she was put in the tank, as she would have been much more decomposed if her body would have been dead outside of water for longer time (like days, a week). being dead in water somehow conserves the body. Respect. But that leaves no option. They did a toxicological analysis. So, she just happened to drop dead randomly and someone decided not to call the police, but instead, drug her body to the roof via fire escape and put her in the water tank? i suppose this is what we will be reading/hearing in future. either drug abuse or something else, unknown who did that to her. but it is not what i assume happened. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32954227 United States 02/24/2013 04:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. why would anyone think this is a suicide ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35061027 she was found dead in the most unlikely place in LA she was perfectly alright teenage girl that you can judge from her tweets and tumblr never did she mention anything abt drugs inspite of that people are speculating she was under influence i think she might have played along with her stalker on elevator may be he? could be her boyfriend ? Then, Please, sir, for her sake, prove it was not a suicide. |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. why would anyone think this is a suicide ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35061027 she was found dead in the most unlikely place in LA she was perfectly alright teenage girl that you can judge from her tweets and tumblr never did she mention anything abt drugs inspite of that people are speculating she was under influence i think she might have played along with her stalker on elevator may be he? could be her boyfriend ? looking much more sinister than that..check out OPs updates and timelines and the links and look at things connected...i agree about the drugs,dont think that has anything to do with it |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19679303 Greece 02/24/2013 04:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32954227 The autopsy was inconclusive. She was found with water in her lungs. Imagine she suffocated before she drowned. Would it not make sense the results were inconclusive? They can tell if the water entered the lungs(among other things) but they couldnt did they? My theory was that the latch was shut after she entered the tank, alive. She ran out of oxygen. The affects on the body between a struggling drowning death vs. an unconscious drowning death exist. Unconscious, implying she ran out of oxygen before she drowned. As I said. If water was found in the lungs and found to have entered the lungs while the victim was still alive the cause of death would have been listed as DROWNING. If water was found in the lungs but found to have entered the lungs after death it would not be listed as the cause of death. It would indicate though that the body was submerged after the victim was already deceased. If she was in the tank alive as you theorize and ran out of air the cause of death would have been ASPHYXIATION(also easy to determine). Any attempts made by the victim to get out of the tank or efforts to get the attention of others for help , such as pounding on the side of the tank or clawing would leave bruising that would show up during the autopsy. There could also be visible marks on the inside of the tank. I can swallow that. Bruising, screams, pounding. The coroner is equally sure that she had no cause of death as he is sure there were not several causes of death. Is this correct? Yes. Its open game. Greece!where are you!? im too tired to mess with this...ive explained it so many times tonight I'm here. I'll give it one more try. You've been at it longer than I. I'm wondering how some can still be confused on the issue. An autopsy is done to determine cause of death. Once a cause of death is determined , the death is classified. Natural causes, accidental, murder etc... the proper authorities then follow up . As of now the Elisa Lam autopsy has been unable to determine a cause of death. Meaning. It wasn't a drowning, it wasn't asphyxiation. The death is considered suspicious by authorities. If the victim found herself alive in that tank for even a short time either against her will or accidentally, attempts would have been made to get herself out of there. That would leave visible marks on the body,there would most likely be scratch marks , broken or chipped nails and bruised knees or feet. A wealth of visible evidence of attemts to get out of the tank. An autopsy can determine if bruises and other injuries were made before or after death also. Toxicology will show if any drugs were in her system and if they were the cause of death. Even if drugs are found in her system and found not to be the cause of death , it by no means indicates that the death is not suspicious considering the autopsy did not find drowning or asphyxiation to be the primary cause of death. If you're drunk for instance, fall into a well and drown. The autopsy will still find drowning to be the primary cause of death. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34643383 United States 02/24/2013 04:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. Here is the video. Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! What is interesting is that the elevator doesn't work when someone is there pushing the buttons, but it does work later when NO ONE is there. The videographer or tape runs long enough to make sure that the point is made. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32954227 United States 02/24/2013 04:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19679303 As I said. If water was found in the lungs and found to have entered the lungs while the victim was still alive the cause of death would have been listed as DROWNING. If water was found in the lungs but found to have entered the lungs after death it would not be listed as the cause of death. It would indicate though that the body was submerged after the victim was already deceased. If she was in the tank alive as you theorize and ran out of air the cause of death would have been ASPHYXIATION(also easy to determine). Any attempts made by the victim to get out of the tank or efforts to get the attention of others for help , such as pounding on the side of the tank or clawing would leave bruising that would show up during the autopsy. There could also be visible marks on the inside of the tank. I can swallow that. Bruising, screams, pounding. The coroner is equally sure that she had no cause of death as he is sure there were not several causes of death. Is this correct? Yes. Its open game. Greece!where are you!? im too tired to mess with this...ive explained it so many times tonight I'm here. I'll give it one more try. You've been at it longer than I. I'm wondering how some can still be confused on the issue. An autopsy is done to determine cause of death. Once a cause of death is determined , the death is classified. Natural causes, accidental, murder etc... the proper authorities then follow up . As of now the Elisa Lam autopsy has been unable to determine a cause of death. Meaning. It wasn't a drowning, it wasn't asphyxiation. The death is considered suspicious by authorities. If the victim found herself alive in that tank for even a short time either against her will or accidentally, attempts would have been made to get herself out of there. That would leave visible marks on the body,there would most likely be scratch marks , broken or chipped nails and bruised knees or feet. A wealth of visible evidence of attemts to get out of the tank. An autopsy can determine if bruises and other injuries were made before or after death also. Toxicology will show if any drugs were in her system and if they were the cause of death. Even if drugs are found in her system and found not to be the cause of death , it by no means indicates that the death is not suspicious considering the autopsy did not find drowning or asphyxiation to be the primary cause of death. If you're drunk for instance, fall into a well and drown. The autopsy will still find drowning to be the primary cause of death. 3 weeks is a long time. I dont want to get into it, but physically, 3 weeks is a long time. |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. Here is the video. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34643383 Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! What is interesting is that the elevator doesn't work when someone is there pushing the buttons, but it does work later when NO ONE is there. The videographer or tape runs long enough to make sure that the point is made. i was just thinking of this,was gonna post something but didnt know if i wanted to go there. man,i'm starting to lean towards this damn cloak technology being involved,and theyre simply holding door,that would explain some of the weird pixelation stuff and like someone said earlier she couldve been grabbed from behind on left side,because she has her back facing that way whole time then she disappears on that side like she walked backwards..idk..crazy everything "unfolded" so fast dont know what to think now |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19679303 Greece 02/24/2013 04:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32954227 I can swallow that. Bruising, screams, pounding. The coroner is equally sure that she had no cause of death as he is sure there were not several causes of death. Is this correct? Yes. Its open game. Greece!where are you!? im too tired to mess with this...ive explained it so many times tonight I'm here. I'll give it one more try. You've been at it longer than I. I'm wondering how some can still be confused on the issue. An autopsy is done to determine cause of death. Once a cause of death is determined , the death is classified. Natural causes, accidental, murder etc... the proper authorities then follow up . As of now the Elisa Lam autopsy has been unable to determine a cause of death. Meaning. It wasn't a drowning, it wasn't asphyxiation. The death is considered suspicious by authorities. If the victim found herself alive in that tank for even a short time either against her will or accidentally, attempts would have been made to get herself out of there. That would leave visible marks on the body,there would most likely be scratch marks , broken or chipped nails and bruised knees or feet. A wealth of visible evidence of attemts to get out of the tank. An autopsy can determine if bruises and other injuries were made before or after death also. Toxicology will show if any drugs were in her system and if they were the cause of death. Even if drugs are found in her system and found not to be the cause of death , it by no means indicates that the death is not suspicious considering the autopsy did not find drowning or asphyxiation to be the primary cause of death. If you're drunk for instance, fall into a well and drown. The autopsy will still find drowning to be the primary cause of death. 3 weeks is a long time. I dont want to get into it, but physically, 3 weeks is a long time. ... water preserves moisture in the tissue causing it to decompose SLOWER. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34643383 United States 02/24/2013 04:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. What is interesting is that the elevator doesn't work when someone is there pushing the buttons, but it does work later when NO ONE is there. The videographer or tape runs long enough to make sure that the point is made. Here is the video. Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. Here is the video. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34643383 Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! What is interesting is that the elevator doesn't work when someone is there pushing the buttons, but it does work later when NO ONE is there. The videographer or tape runs long enough to make sure that the point is made. i was just thinking of this,was gonna post something but didnt know if i wanted to go there. man,i'm starting to lean towards this damn cloak technology being involved,and theyre simply holding door,that would explain some of the weird pixelation stuff and like someone said earlier she couldve been grabbed from behind on left side,because she has her back facing that way whole time then she disappears on that side like she walked backwards..idk..crazy everything "unfolded" so fast dont know what to think now also when she looks out the first time to the right...it reminds me of how you would act if you thought something was following you or heard something but knew nothing was there,but you look out fast to try catch something..then she just kind of stands there..if she was in fear or running from something known, i dont think she would hangout that long at elevator |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34643383 United States 02/24/2013 04:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. What is interesting is that the elevator doesn't work when someone is there pushing the buttons, but it does work later when NO ONE is there. The videographer or tape runs long enough to make sure that the point is made. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34643383 Here is the video. Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! Who found and posted this tape? |
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phoenixe (OP) User ID: 34782429 Germany 02/24/2013 04:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. 3 weeks is a long time. I dont want to get into it, but physically, 3 weeks is a long time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32954227 ... water preserves moisture in the tissue causing it to decompose SLOWER. as already been said here: it is all about the way the coroner said what he said... Quoting: phoenixe easiest answer would have been: she drowned in there (..with most possible option: got in the tank by herself) but she did not have signs of drowning, conscious or unconscious, so this was ruled out. next best answer would have been: she died of lack of oxygen (still with the option, she got in the tank herself) he did not say that - because they ruled this out as well. no signs in/on her body for that (eg if she was trapped, she would have marks from scratching the inner tank on her fingers, broken nails, rust under the nails and stuff) what´s left after that: she died, but with no signs from dying in the tank due to drowning (conscious or unconscious) or lack of oxygen. so dying in the tank can be ruled out. what´s left now: she died. outside the tank. reason yet unknown. therefore tests of toxics (and other stuff..) but died not long ago before she was put in the tank, as she would have been much more decomposed if her body would have been dead outside of water for longer time (like days, a week). being dead in water somehow conserves the body. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19679303 Greece 02/24/2013 04:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. ... Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 Greece!where are you!? im too tired to mess with this...ive explained it so many times tonight I'm here. I'll give it one more try. You've been at it longer than I. I'm wondering how some can still be confused on the issue. An autopsy is done to determine cause of death. Once a cause of death is determined , the death is classified. Natural causes, accidental, murder etc... the proper authorities then follow up . As of now the Elisa Lam autopsy has been unable to determine a cause of death. Meaning. It wasn't a drowning, it wasn't asphyxiation. The death is considered suspicious by authorities. If the victim found herself alive in that tank for even a short time either against her will or accidentally, attempts would have been made to get herself out of there. That would leave visible marks on the body,there would most likely be scratch marks , broken or chipped nails and bruised knees or feet. A wealth of visible evidence of attemts to get out of the tank. An autopsy can determine if bruises and other injuries were made before or after death also. Toxicology will show if any drugs were in her system and if they were the cause of death. Even if drugs are found in her system and found not to be the cause of death , it by no means indicates that the death is not suspicious considering the autopsy did not find drowning or asphyxiation to be the primary cause of death. If you're drunk for instance, fall into a well and drown. The autopsy will still find drowning to be the primary cause of death. 3 weeks is a long time. I dont want to get into it, but physically, 3 weeks is a long time. ... water preserves moisture in the tissue causing it to decompose SLOWER. Who ever put her in there did not put her in there to hide the cause of death. She was put in there to remove traces of DNA. The best way to remove trace DNA and DNA evidence is water. Water and chlorine will destroy DNA evidence. Who ever did it knows that and that's why the water tank was chosen. |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. not really sure...at the most thats looks like it,but she was in water also,im sure colder water too,so would preserve So the black stuff running through the drains of the hotel was, 'preservative' ? Fuck , I didnt wanna go there. preservation of body and organs is different than fluids...sure fluids are gonna secrete out and into the water...plus who knows how much of that is from body |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28563033 United States 02/24/2013 04:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. Here is the video. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34643383 Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! What is interesting is that the elevator doesn't work when someone is there pushing the buttons, but it does work later when NO ONE is there. The videographer or tape runs long enough to make sure that the point is made. i was just thinking of this,was gonna post something but didnt know if i wanted to go there. man,i'm starting to lean towards this damn cloak technology being involved,and theyre simply holding door,that would explain some of the weird pixelation stuff and like someone said earlier she couldve been grabbed from behind on left side,because she has her back facing that way whole time then she disappears on that side like she walked backwards..idk..crazy everything "unfolded" so fast dont know what to think now Well the way she acts something is there but she doesn't see it. That's for sure. We also know its not a joke and the stuff is real. What better weapon. I'm flipping scared to go outside now. Ha. Who knows how many Chinese sleeper agents are out there with this stuff. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35061027 India 02/24/2013 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. why would anyone think this is a suicide ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35061027 she was found dead in the most unlikely place in LA she was perfectly alright teenage girl that you can judge from her tweets and tumblr never did she mention anything abt drugs inspite of that people are speculating she was under influence i think she might have played along with her stalker on elevator may be he? could be her boyfriend ? Then, Please, sir, for her sake, prove it was not a suicide. elisa lams tweets review on may 8 "I’m not afraid of annihilation. I’m not afraid of death. I just want to know more before I go SUSPICIOUS mar 30 me in 5 years @NewYorker: Cartoon of the day: [link to nyr.kr] SHE DIDNT CONTEMPLATE HER DEATH WANTED TO GO ON IN LIFE Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! (Page 4) |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. Here is the video. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34643383 Thread: ELISA LAM!! MUST READ!!! BREAKING!!! What is interesting is that the elevator doesn't work when someone is there pushing the buttons, but it does work later when NO ONE is there. The videographer or tape runs long enough to make sure that the point is made. i was just thinking of this,was gonna post something but didnt know if i wanted to go there. man,i'm starting to lean towards this damn cloak technology being involved,and theyre simply holding door,that would explain some of the weird pixelation stuff and like someone said earlier she couldve been grabbed from behind on left side,because she has her back facing that way whole time then she disappears on that side like she walked backwards..idk..crazy everything "unfolded" so fast dont know what to think now Well the way she acts something is there but she doesn't see it. That's for sure. We also know its not a joke and the stuff is real. What better weapon. I'm flipping scared to go outside now. Ha. Who knows how many Chinese sleeper agents are out there with this stuff. no shit lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34643383 United States 02/24/2013 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. There's been a TB outbreak very close to this motel. And get this. There's a test for TB called LAM Elisa. Look it up. This can't just be a coincidence. I'm reading more comments. I think there might be more clues. Isn't there a TB outbreak somewhere? |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. From the youtube comments on the vid: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34643383 There's been a TB outbreak very close to this motel. And get this. There's a test for TB called LAM Elisa. Look it up. This can't just be a coincidence. I'm reading more comments. I think there might be more clues. Isn't there a TB outbreak somewhere? yeah there are traces of TB in few countrys right now...fastest way to kill off few tens of millions and be able to control to still have enough live |
phoenixe (OP) User ID: 34782429 Germany 02/24/2013 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. not really sure...at the most thats looks like it,but she was in water also,im sure colder water too,so would preserve So the black stuff running through the drains of the hotel was, 'preservative' ? Fuck , I didnt wanna go there. preservation of body and organs is different than fluids...sure fluids are gonna secrete out and into the water...plus who knows how much of that is from body if a body is put in water, the fat tissue in the skin becomes something like wax. and does not compose fast anymore. |
DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978 User ID: 33296170 United States 02/24/2013 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you. From the youtube comments on the vid: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34643383 There's been a TB outbreak very close to this motel. And get this. There's a test for TB called LAM Elisa. Look it up. This can't just be a coincidence. I'm reading more comments. I think there might be more clues. Isn't there a TB outbreak somewhere? and the test name alone shows you somethings up...thats just too coincidental |
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