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New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.

 
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[link to twitter.com (secure)]

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Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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IF that really was her Tumbler and she was indeed staying next door, perhaps that explains her furtive type movements in the elevator? Perhaps she was "investigating" the hotel, knowing she didn't really have a right to be there, and thus through exploring found herself up and outside? Did any of the in(famous) murder /suicides occur on the roof, and could she have been trying to see where something particularly interesting had occurred?

Things we really need to know:
-What condition was the tank in when it was found (hatch open or shut)? Could she have been climbing around near dusk / after dark, jumped down and through a horrid twist of fate, managed to jump right into an inadvertently left open hatch?
-What other video taped movements may there by in either hotel? Also, does the Cecil have video in the corridors? (many hotels do).
-Was the door to the roof actually alarmed when the plumber dude went to investigate?
-Is there a reasonable way to access the roof from the other hotel we think she was staying at?

It is also possible that she was experiencing mania (again, if the tumbler is correct), which could have caused very strange behavior and poor choices.

Can anyone answer whether the report of her being found nude is anywhere but the Examiner website? I personally haven't seen it anywhere else, and they are not known for the crack reporting skills. I think it's a fairly significant detail, and one that should be confirmed one way or the other.
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very good points!

but media provides no good information, one has to read between the lines i am afraid...
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The “Stay” and the Cecil are in the same building. Tenants of the Cecil believe that the conversions of their homes to the Stay were illegal because they violated the following laws:


[link to www.bedbugregistry.com]

There is obviously tension between long time Cecil Hotel residents and The Stay. It would not surprise me if a boogy man from the Cecil has an axe to grind with trendy student travelers at The Stay. The poor in LA lost their only homes during the conversion to The Stay.
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great ! thank you !
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She also entered from the left!

Wait a min ya know the part on the video where she is waveing her arms
kind of wierd? I think maybe she was hit in the face! Or maced she is stuned
and cant see. she clutches her throat or chest.

The first time she enters the elevator she seems ok she presses all the buttons so no one can tell what floor she stays on. Seems she hears someone and peaks out goes back then she goes to stand outside at the left of the elevator she hods her hand up to her hair it seems but I think this guy has her by the hair and when she enters the elevator again she looks upset and dishevled. she then presses buttons over and over and over no use she exits again and this is where i think she is hit or something sprayed in her face cause she cant see and seesm to grope the air! I keep watching this video over and over.
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anyone wanna take a trip to this hotel? lol
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^New Picture of graffti near the water tanks.

Anyone know what it means?

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"fecto cunt her suma"

= "assuredly her cunt is the highest"? A nasty love poem in half-Latin? Not the worst thing to say about someone, I guess...
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the thing what bothers me with this graffiti.. is there any other pictures of this? i did not see others..

besides that, it is written in "nerdish", like 3 for E , so i still suppose those 2 parcour guys who put the roof top video up on youtube on the 14th left it.
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^New Picture of graffti near the water tanks.

Anyone know what it means?

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"fecto cunt her suma"

= "assuredly her cunt is the highest"? A nasty love poem in half-Latin? Not the worst thing to say about someone, I guess...
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the thing what bothers me with this graffiti.. is there any other pictures of this? i did not see others..

besides that, it is written in "nerdish", like 3 for E , so i still suppose those 2 parcour guys who put the roof top video up on youtube on the 14th left it.
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It's an anagram may be left over message from her killer
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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In regards the Elevator footage, is it possible that she was acting out a scene from The Great Gatsby? She seems quite obsessed with that story going by things she said in her various online accounts...

I haven't read that book. Is there a scene, a confrontation in a hotel?
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0.2 cents

So at the point of the elevator video where Elisa is seen making weird hand gestures. My girl and I noticed that around the 1:50 mark of the video, it's easy to assume that she was feeling around for something that's not there. But as she continues her hand gestures, it goes from feeling around to what looks to be either sign language or maybe a slight playful struggle between her and something else. I say that because her arms drawn back close to her body like she doesn't want to be touched.f
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She also entered from the left!

Wait a min ya know the part on the video where she is waveing her arms
kind of wierd? I think maybe she was hit in the face! Or maced she is stuned
and cant see. she clutches her throat or chest.

The first time she enters the elevator she seems ok she presses all the buttons so no one can tell what floor she stays on. Seems she hears someone and peaks out goes back then she goes to stand outside at the left of the elevator she hods her hand up to her hair it seems but I think this guy has her by the hair and when she enters the elevator again she looks upset and dishevled. she then presses buttons over and over and over no use she exits again and this is where i think she is hit or something sprayed in her face cause she cant see and seesm to grope the air! I keep watching this video over and over.
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Hmmm...but immediately after that...she doesnt look distressed at all. She begins whats looks to me counting things off with her fingers. Like "First I have to do this...then this...and then finally this"
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^New Picture of graffti near the water tanks.

Anyone know what it means?

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"fecto cunt her suma"

= "assuredly her cunt is the highest"? A nasty love poem in half-Latin? Not the worst thing to say about someone, I guess...
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looks like he signed his work. A miserable hater, now a killer for sure.
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In regards the Elevator footage, is it possible that she was acting out a scene from The Great Gatsby? She seems quite obsessed with that story going by things she said in her various online accounts...

I haven't read that book. Is there a scene, a confrontation in a hotel?
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not that i exactly remember, but the story has it´s own charme.. found a summary, hope that helps?
[link to www.sparknotes.com]

besides that, with all her quotes on her accounts, she seemed to really like reading old classics and was into art as well (as she mentiones Gaudi).
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In regards the Elevator footage, is it possible that she was acting out a scene from The Great Gatsby? She seems quite obsessed with that story going by things she said in her various online accounts...

I haven't read that book. Is there a scene, a confrontation in a hotel?
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The Plaza Hotel is mentioned in The Great Gatsby

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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0.2 cents

So at the point of the elevator video where Elisa is seen making weird hand gestures. My girl and I noticed that around the 1:50 mark of the video, it's easy to assume that she was feeling around for something that's not there. But as she continues her hand gestures, it goes from feeling around to what looks to be either sign language or maybe a slight playful struggle between her and something else. I say that because her arms drawn back close to her body like she doesn't want to be touched.f
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you did read the theory about the "invisible man" we have in this thread? ..it explains the "greyish thing" another one mentioned, and it explains who she behaves.

just watch it again and assume she is seeing, talking and fighting someone invisible or not clearly visible. due to technology, and additionally, due to her not wearing her glasses.
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ive read the great gatsby and one of the only people i know who actually liked the book. there is no correlation
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It’s not strange at all, let me restore the truth to this matter. The girl entered the elevator relaxed and cheerful, mischievously pressed 4 floor buttons, which indicates that there was another person who was about to enter. After waiting a while, nobody came in, the the girl hid in the corner of the elevator hoping to give the second party a scare. Judging from the way the girl playfully and flirtatiously hopped out, the second party should be a man with whom she has an intimate relationship with. The reason for the elevator door remaining open is because this man was pressing the button outside. Although the girl opened her arms to express her dissatisfaction, she at last changed her plan to go down, and returned to the hotel room with the man. The elevator door closed and it went down, opening and closing its door at the floors on which the buttons were pressed, operating normally.
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once again,

last call,

please,

don´t get distracted by the video.

i explained so many times why this is just a waste of time.


if you want to discuss about the video, please, make your own thread.

we are steps ahead.

it is irrelevant as there is no new information coming out of this video.

it just distracts from other things.

in what 2 contexts this video is relevant has already been posted.

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and in advance to all those going to call me names, stressed, harsh, unfriendly or whatever:

if you don´t like it here, please leave.

i just can´t stand it any more reading the same things over and over again, for days now.

read what is already written - here and in other threads.

if you don´t find your opinion there, well, then maybe it really is some new aspect what brings new input, new ideas, new inspiration.

if not: don´t post it here.

thank you.


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[link to i46.tinypic.com]

Well I'm spooked...
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OK THEN WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THE VIDEO PLEASE FOOKING ENLIGHTENING ME
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once and for all times from now in this thread:

simple and plain: nothing.

just ask yourself:
is there anything in this video what could be taken as a fact?
time? no
date? no
her mood? no
she on drugs? no
she crazy? no
she joking? no
she talking to someone? no
talking to more than 1? no
sign language? no
being harrassed? no
....
and so on.

so this video itself is just not contributing at all.

you get nothing out of it, but everyone is talking about it and gets distracted.

..........................

in context of "black dahlia murder" and movie "dark water", this video makes sense.
why? already posted on this thread, and on some others.
look it up here on glp.
google it.

in context of "invisible man", this video makes sense as well: she is fighting/harrassed by something what is barely invisible on the video, but explains her talk, gestures, bodylanguage.
"invisible man" makes sense als well in the context of movie "dark water", as there is one being harrassed by ghosts/projections in the elevator as well.
theory of "invisible man" is posted and explained here.
look it up. read the links.

this is my answer.
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[link to i46.tinypic.com]

Well I'm spooked...
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lol ! return of the killer oranges!
and did you notice the 7414 on the bus?
7+4+1+4 = 16
1+6 = 7 ! illuminati number!

( no, really, i am just kidding.hf)
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but back to this, as i have to wonder why this request from pale horse just occured while i found this...



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



so now we know what is missing in this case, what is not adding up.

we are supposed to believe she stayed at the Cecil Hotel, a know Haunted Hotel.

but we don´t get a floor or room number or anything else from the media.

we are supposed to believe this girl was just schizophrenic, drunk or drugged - or just met the wrong guy.


what else are we not told and supposed to just "assume" ?


i smell a huge pile of old rotten fish here..


anyone else?

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Thats a real deal. So we have only one video from Cecil to convince general public she stayed there?
Anyways, whats a weather in LA? How likely girl can come outside building in that clothes and without a bag, without cell phone? So she have some friends in Cecil, and left her bag there before riding elevator?
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I think it's amazing that some of you people can turn any event into a major conspiracy of mind control and shadow people. I can't keep up with all the posts, and I know this has been discussed, but I haven't read anyone else who thinks exactly what I do.

HOWEVER, I'm all for a good mystery and I have to disagree with a lot of you saying the video is non-important, and that there were humans there.

My first reaction was that she was drugged (still a possibility, and very probable), BUT watching her movements, there is NO WAY she is gesturing while speaking.

I did agree that she's getting very close to the buttons because she can't see.

However, if you watch her gestures outside the elevator, she is clearing feeling for something. She's not using hand movements to talk -- she's feeling for something -- almost mime-like. And the really strange part is when she is reaching out forward, it's almost as if she does touch something. It's almost as if she's petting something.

Her behavior is not consistent with someone who is interacting with another human. I think she is scared, because when she exits to the left she puts her back to the wall -- she is obviously afraid of something coming up behind her.

It's very strange that the second time she peeks out she looks for a long time to one side without checking the other -- I think this is consistent with someone's comments that there would be a wall to one side.

Regardless of the motivation or reasoning for her actions -- it's very clear that SOMETHING was wrong with her before she died. Normal people don't act this way in any situation. And if she were drugged or playing a game, she would have been laughing. There is no laughing.

Perhaps she was just being chased by demons. That would be a simple explanation. If you invite the demons out to play, they will happily oblige.

Oh, and it is also very odd that the elevator would stay open so long. Even if the hold button was pushed, I don't think it should stay open so long. But it's a machine, and machines often act up in ways they shouldn't normally.

Oh, and just for grins and giggles, and wordplay:

ELISA LAM = I AM el sal = I am the salt

I AM is the name the Holy God chose for himself. The salt is what Christians are called. Christians are to be the salt of the world. IF someone were playing god here, calling themselves I AM would be a huge middle finger to God. and the elsal may have other meanings. Have fun with that one.

Also -- LAMED is a hebrew letter. There's lots of symbolism there if you want to look that one up.

I don't put much stock in wordplay, but I'm one of those people who see stuff in words all the time, so I thought I'd throw that out there.
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OK THEN WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THE VIDEO PLEASE FOOKING ENLIGHTENING ME
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34818037


once and for all times from now in this thread:

simple and plain: nothing.

just ask yourself:
is there anything in this video what could be taken as a fact?
time? no
date? no
her mood? no
she on drugs? no
she crazy? no
she joking? no
she talking to someone? no
talking to more than 1? no
sign language? no
being harrassed? no
....
and so on.

so this video itself is just not contributing at all.

you get nothing out of it, but everyone is talking about it and gets distracted.

..........................


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Not so fast, beautiful lady. Korean gestures not like European, especially in excitement.
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I think it's amazing that some of you people can turn any event into a major conspiracy of mind control and shadow people. I can't keep up with all the posts, and I know this has been discussed, but I haven't read anyone else who thinks exactly what I do.

HOWEVER, I'm all for a good mystery and I have to disagree with a lot of you saying the video is non-important, and that there were humans there.

My first reaction was that she was drugged (still a possibility, and very probable), BUT watching her movements, there is NO WAY she is gesturing while speaking.

I did agree that she's getting very close to the buttons because she can't see.

However, if you watch her gestures outside the elevator, she is clearing feeling for something. She's not using hand movements to talk -- she's feeling for something -- almost mime-like. And the really strange part is when she is reaching out forward, it's almost as if she does touch something. It's almost as if she's petting something.

Her behavior is not consistent with someone who is interacting with another human. I think she is scared, because when she exits to the left she puts her back to the wall -- she is obviously afraid of something coming up behind her.

It's very strange that the second time she peeks out she looks for a long time to one side without checking the other -- I think this is consistent with someone's comments that there would be a wall to one side.

Regardless of the motivation or reasoning for her actions -- it's very clear that SOMETHING was wrong with her before she died. Normal people don't act this way in any situation. And if she were drugged or playing a game, she would have been laughing. There is no laughing.

Perhaps she was just being chased by demons. That would be a simple explanation. If you invite the demons out to play, they will happily oblige.

Oh, and it is also very odd that the elevator would stay open so long. Even if the hold button was pushed, I don't think it should stay open so long. But it's a machine, and machines often act up in ways they shouldn't normally.

Oh, and just for grins and giggles, and wordplay:

ELISA LAM = I AM el sal = I am the salt

I AM is the name the Holy God chose for himself. The salt is what Christians are called. Christians are to be the salt of the world. IF someone were playing god here, calling themselves I AM would be a huge middle finger to God. and the elsal may have other meanings. Have fun with that one.

Also -- LAMED is a hebrew letter. There's lots of symbolism there if you want to look that one up.

I don't put much stock in wordplay, but I'm one of those people who see stuff in words all the time, so I thought I'd throw that out there.
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She might have been drugged, because I know a girl that takes "acid", and she gestures with her hands exactly as Elisa does.
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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I didn't think gesturing is a cultural thing, but I will give you that. BUT she's from Canada, right? And I'm guessing their gestures are very similar to the one's seen here in America.
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anyone know who the owners of the cecil hotel are?
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for your convenience, mr now-anonymus, page 18 as said before:

Who owns the Cecil Hotel?

Entity Name: CECIL HOTEL MANAGEMENT, INC.
Entity Number: C3114311
Date Filed: 10/28/2009
Status: DISSOLVED
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 640 S MAIN ST
Entity City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90014
Agent for Service of Process: WILLIAM HAROLD LANTING
Agent Address: 640 S MAIN ST
Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90014

No Business by the name of "invisible light"
listed with the State of CA

[link to kepler.sos.ca.gov]
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I didn't think gesturing is a cultural thing, but I will give you that. BUT she's from Canada, right? And I'm guessing their gestures are very similar to the one's seen here in America.
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Really? So what does it means: [link to news.xinhuanet.com]
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An interesting review. LOL

"The minute you step into this area it’s like a dark force takes over! I’m sure Elisa Lam wasn’t the first female to die here I assure you she’s the only one they found out about! This whole place is a death trap for women!!"

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Have skimmed as quick as possible but have to get going. If this has been posted, please delete. Puts a whole new perspective on it. 4 min. video, shows the door opening, her entering, she finally leaves, the elevator goes to other floors. (different wall colors make it obvious).

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to me it looks like same window glass not a wall..
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Re: New Update what Media is not telling us ! - Elisa Lam case - please, take a look at this! i feel this should not be ignored. thank you.
Just for information.

Elisa Lam = Malaise l = Malaise (/məˈleɪz/ mal-AZE) is a feeling of general discomfort or uneasiness, of being "out of sorts", often the first indication of an infection or other disease.

Elisa Lam = sa Mallei = its Mallei

Mallei is a bacterium which causes TB or Ganders





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