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BREAKING NEWS:

Decision due February 25 on suit by Calvary Chapel pastor against step-son and former member.

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Pastor Bob Grenier of Calvary Chapel Visalia (CCV), California, is suing Tim Taylor of Visalia and also one of his own step-sons, Alex Grenier of Idaho. He specifically contends that Taylor and Alex Grenier have committed “Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress,” “Defamation,” and “Conspiracy to Defame.” The defendants view this as a legal maneuver to intimidate and silence them and others from speaking out against sexual abuse, physical abuse, and ecclesiastical corruption they allege he perpetrated.

In 2004-2005, Alex confronted Pastor Grenier and the elders of CCV concerning the child abuse he and his younger half-brother Paul say they suffered at the hands of their step-father/father. These church leaders refused to address these grievances. Alex remained silent until 2009, when he found an online forum of former CCV church members, who share their personal accounts of spiritual abuse.

The forum went viral and, in July 2010, Alex began a spiritual abuse survivor blog – Calvary Chapel Abuse. It received over 3 million hits in its first three years. He sees this as a clear indicator of public interest in this case, as well as in other abuses and controversies in Pastor Chuck Smith’s Calvary Chapel franchise of churches.

Those systemic issues were addressed by reporter David Sessions from The Daily Beast in a January 26, 2013, article: “Calvary Chapel’s Tangled Web.” Besides examining some of the organizational dynamics related to the murder of Calvary Albuquerque prison ministry Pastor Greg Griego, he lists other problems. Accusations of lack of accountability, cover-up of sexual abuse, local abuse of authority, and interference in local affairs by national leaders dog Calvary Chapel – and other similar kinds of evangelical associations of so-called “independent” local churches, and denominations.

Alex Grenier was also unsuccessful in attempts to have Pastor Smith or any other national Calvary Chapel leaders intervene in the CCV situation with his step-father. So, his only recourse has been to publicize the abusive experiences that would otherwise remain hidden in his step-father’s private life.

The lawsuit was filed on October 17, 2012, in Tulare County, California, where Pastor Grenier served til recently as a chaplain to the local police force. (He agreed to a leave of absence on February 19, 2013.) In his lawsuit, filed with his wife and co-plaintiff Gayle (who is Alex’s and Paul’s mother), Pastor Grenier claims to be an innocent victim of a “cyber-bullying hate campaign.” They are asking for an award “of exemplary and punitive damages.”

On February 8, 2013, Paul Grenier submitted to the court a sworn Declaration supporting Alex’s allegations. For instance, Paul claims that as a five-year-old boy he “was forced to perform oral sex on Bob.” He also details a childhood of suffering sadistic physical and sexual abuse by his father.

The defendants’ attorney, Paul Clifford, filed an anti-SLAPP motion on December 17, 2012, contending this is a clear issue of freedom of speech and suggesting the lawsuit is frivolous. A tentative ruling on the motion will be made on February 25, 2013, with a court hearing scheduled for February 26 before Superior Court Judge Paul Anthony Vortmann.

The decision on this case has momentous ramifications for First Amendment rights as “citizen journalist” bloggers and spiritual abuse survivors organize and speak out against ecclesiastical abusers. This may also involve separation of church and state. A social media campaignaround the theme of #WhoWouldJesusSue begins February 20 to publicize the sui
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he would sue nutwoo.
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people need to get out of the churches
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
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the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
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the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
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the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
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INDEED!
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
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the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
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INDEED!
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Have people out there in GLP land ever heard of Calvary Chapel?
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
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the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
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First of all, I gotta wonder how much money you were paid to vomit such filth into this discussion; since, clearly, you do not have anything rational to say.

The fact of the matter is that Paul was a misogynist--someone who hates women for people with your IQ--and that is a fundamental characteristic of homosexuals.

If the Roman church were following the Teaching of Jesus rather than the pagan metaphysical idolatry of Paul, there would not be the problems of homosexual priests and the rape of young boys in the first place.

And if the Roman church had accepted the Gospel of Mary into the Christian canon, it would have been understood not only that Jesus loved Mary; but, also, that there was another whole dimension of the Teaching of Jesus which was held to be "strange ideas" by even the male apostles (Andrew, for example).

Secondly, if you were merely to understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees, you would see that Jesus himself discredits the doctrine that Paul teaches.

That, in fact, was the reason Jesus was murdered in the first place.

Too bad that was not understood prior to the Holocaust.

Michael
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13118751


First of all, I gotta wonder how much money you were paid to vomit such filth into this discussion; since, clearly, you do not have anything rational to say.

The fact of the matter is that Paul was a misogynist--someone who hates women for people with your IQ--and that is a fundamental characteristic of homosexuals.

If the Roman church were following the Teaching of Jesus rather than the pagan metaphysical idolatry of Paul, there would not be the problems of homosexual priests and the rape of young boys in the first place.

And if the Roman church had accepted the Gospel of Mary into the Christian canon, it would have been understood not only that Jesus loved Mary; but, also, that there was another whole dimension of the Teaching of Jesus which was held to be "strange ideas" by even the male apostles (Andrew, for example).

Secondly, if you were merely to understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees, you would see that Jesus himself discredits the doctrine that Paul teaches.

That, in fact, was the reason Jesus was murdered in the first place.

Too bad that was not understood prior to the Holocaust.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Michael, Jesus was not murdered, He laid down his life WILLINGLY for our sins...

"Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (Jn 10:17-18)
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13118751


First of all, I gotta wonder how much money you were paid to vomit such filth into this discussion; since, clearly, you do not have anything rational to say.

The fact of the matter is that Paul was a misogynist--someone who hates women for people with your IQ--and that is a fundamental characteristic of homosexuals.

If the Roman church were following the Teaching of Jesus rather than the pagan metaphysical idolatry of Paul, there would not be the problems of homosexual priests and the rape of young boys in the first place.

And if the Roman church had accepted the Gospel of Mary into the Christian canon, it would have been understood not only that Jesus loved Mary; but, also, that there was another whole dimension of the Teaching of Jesus which was held to be "strange ideas" by even the male apostles (Andrew, for example).

Secondly, if you were merely to understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees, you would see that Jesus himself discredits the doctrine that Paul teaches.

That, in fact, was the reason Jesus was murdered in the first place.

Too bad that was not understood prior to the Holocaust.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Michael, Jesus was not murdered, He laid down his life WILLINGLY for our sins...

"Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (Jn 10:17-18)
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Jesus was murdered because he taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

The reason why he did not try to escape is because it was because of the crucifixion that some of the immediate followers of Jesus received the revelation of the memories of previous lives, as figuratively described in Chapter 27:52-53 of the Gospel of Matthew.

So, he did that willingly, in order that his followers would receive the Revelation of Truth; but, at the same time, the Pharisees and Sadducees had him murdered because of the threat such a Doctrine posed to the Jewish religious establishment.

It is not a question of either/or.

Truth is simply more complicated than you understand.

Michael
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the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
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INDEED!
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Have people out there in GLP land ever heard of Calvary Chapel?
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Calvary Chapel is Catholic.

They will deny it though.
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the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13118751


First of all, I gotta wonder how much money you were paid to vomit such filth into this discussion; since, clearly, you do not have anything rational to say.

The fact of the matter is that Paul was a misogynist--someone who hates women for people with your IQ--and that is a fundamental characteristic of homosexuals.

If the Roman church were following the Teaching of Jesus rather than the pagan metaphysical idolatry of Paul, there would not be the problems of homosexual priests and the rape of young boys in the first place.

And if the Roman church had accepted the Gospel of Mary into the Christian canon, it would have been understood not only that Jesus loved Mary; but, also, that there was another whole dimension of the Teaching of Jesus which was held to be "strange ideas" by even the male apostles (Andrew, for example).

Secondly, if you were merely to understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees, you would see that Jesus himself discredits the doctrine that Paul teaches.

That, in fact, was the reason Jesus was murdered in the first place.

Too bad that was not understood prior to the Holocaust.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Michael, Jesus was not murdered, He laid down his life WILLINGLY for our sins...

"Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (Jn 10:17-18)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1200489


Jesus was murdered because he taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

The reason why he did not try to escape is because it was because of the crucifixion that some of the immediate followers of Jesus received the revelation of the memories of previous lives, as figuratively described in Chapter 27:52-53 of the Gospel of Matthew.

So, he did that willingly, in order that his followers would receive the Revelation of Truth; but, at the same time, the Pharisees and Sadducees had him murdered because of the threat such a Doctrine posed to the Jewish religious establishment.

It is not a question of either/or.

Truth is simply more complicated than you understand.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


You are both right.

The Jews had murder in the hearts and they are guilty of that sin.

But Christ laid down his life willingly.
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Who would Jesus sue?

Are you kidding me?

Every nitwit Christian religious 'authority' that claims he is a follower of the Teaching of Jesus while following, instead, the metaphysical idolatry of Paul.

Every nitwit Christian theologian, every nitwit Christian minister, pastor, or priest who teaches the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, when Jesus taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


the sodomites are trying like crazy to discredit Paul
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13118751


First of all, I gotta wonder how much money you were paid to vomit such filth into this discussion; since, clearly, you do not have anything rational to say.

The fact of the matter is that Paul was a misogynist--someone who hates women for people with your IQ--and that is a fundamental characteristic of homosexuals.

If the Roman church were following the Teaching of Jesus rather than the pagan metaphysical idolatry of Paul, there would not be the problems of homosexual priests and the rape of young boys in the first place.

And if the Roman church had accepted the Gospel of Mary into the Christian canon, it would have been understood not only that Jesus loved Mary; but, also, that there was another whole dimension of the Teaching of Jesus which was held to be "strange ideas" by even the male apostles (Andrew, for example).

Secondly, if you were merely to understand the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees, you would see that Jesus himself discredits the doctrine that Paul teaches.

That, in fact, was the reason Jesus was murdered in the first place.

Too bad that was not understood prior to the Holocaust.

Michael
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Take your gnostic lies and jam them.

You can only fool those who hate the truth to begin with.
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Take your gnostic lies and jam them.

You can only fool those who hate the truth to begin with.
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Wow.

What a brilliantly logical retort that is.

Just explain the reply of Jesus to the Sadducees.

That's all I ask.

Explain it.

Explain the relevance of each statement of Jesus to the entire argument and the precise meaning and significance of the terminology that he uses.

Oh, and one other thing.

Armageddon will be initiated over the DISinterpretation of that reply by people exactly like you.

Michael

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