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I think therefore I am. If I'm not thinking, then wat?

 
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Do I cease to exist, hee ho? :<
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Then...

You're not thinking

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Do I cease to exist, hee ho? :<
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Simply stated...

You are not!
"I think, therefore I am..."
René Descartes

"I don't think, therefore I am not..."
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You're not thinking

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But what if I'm not thinking where do I go?

(i'm trying to have a happy drunk conversation here humor me :D)
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philosophical and deep... i like that.

i will need to think this one over...

lol


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You think therefore you are.

You're not thinking, therefore you're not.

Simple.

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"I think, therefore I am."

"I think not, therefore I am not."

Simple! :)
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philosophical and deep... i like that.

i will need to think this one over...

lol


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Ah come on your stinker! Lob me a good one! I need something to ruminate over this weekend. :)
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"I think, therefore I am."

"I think not, therefore I am not."

Simple! :)
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But if all things return to the One, where does the One return?

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Reminds me of Jim Morrison.

"I'm drunk I'm nobody, I'm drunk I'm famous, I'm drunk I'm dead."
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"I think, therefore I am."

"I think not, therefore I am not."

Simple! :)
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But if all things return to the One, where does the One return?

:calvin12:
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blink

I....don't know.

This is the most profound question I've heard in a while...going to take a lot of searching for an answer, let alone the correct one.

Kudos!
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philosophical and deep... i like that.

i will need to think this one over...

lol


cheers
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Ah come on your stinker! Lob me a good one! I need something to ruminate over this weekend. :)
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I have always compared the human mind to a computer...

Those that think are active running processes... they serve a purpose. They help keep the gears turning, the hard drives spinning... the operation system running to efficiency... they get jobs done and provide some sort of service...

and those that dont think are background clutter... useless, they just take up valuable space/ram... the feed off the system and divert resources from the thinkers...

but of course... one can argue another point...

to slow the mind and clear it of thought... one has reached peace... true peace...

my mind rages a thousand thoughts a second... its maddening at times... if i could slow my mind and not think for just 10 minutes... ahhhh the peace i would know...
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Your conciousness is, and always will be. What you choose to do with that conciousness however is up to you.
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You think, therefore you are the ego structure known as "you".

You stop thinking, therefore you are a reflection of reality, a mirror.

This also is not accurate, as "thinking" is an item of reality to be reflected as well, but this is easier to observe while not lost in your thoughts
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philosophical and deep... i like that.

i will need to think this one over...

lol


cheers
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Ah come on your stinker! Lob me a good one! I need something to ruminate over this weekend. :)
 Quoting: calx


I have always compared the human mind to a computer...

Those that think are active running processes... they serve a purpose. They help keep the gears turning, the hard drives spinning... the operation system running to efficiency... they get jobs done and provide some sort of service...

and those that dont think are background clutter... useless, they just take up valuable space/ram... the feed off the system and divert resources from the thinkers...

but of course... one can argue another point...

to slow the mind and clear it of thought... one has reached peace... true peace...

my mind rages a thousand thoughts a second... its maddening at times... if i could slow my mind and not think for just 10 minutes... ahhhh the peace i would know...
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


mmm that's grim. but you have a good point there. what if we're all hardware with malleable minds? are we just vessels? that would be sad. i hope that we are all not just cogs in a great machine.

that machine seems to be earth in its entirety. a few controlling the weak. hmm... i wonder how we can escape this. we need a mass consciousness awakening in terms of how FUCKED UP this world is lol.

we deserve better than this. human beings shouldn't be born in chains and have to pay with our lives just to eke out an existence.

(and again this has been a drunken calx rant please be kind.) :D

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mmm that's grim. but you have a good point there. what if we're all hardware with malleable minds? are we just vessels? that would be sad. i hope that we are all not just cogs in a great machine.

that machine seems to be earth in its entirety. a few controlling the weak. hmm... i wonder how we can escape this. we need a mass consciousness awakening in terms of how FUCKED UP this world is lol.

we deserve better than this. human beings shouldn't be born in chains and have to pay with our lives just to eke out an existence.

(and again this has been a drunken calx rant please be kind.) :D

al1
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Calx bro... you are awesome!

yeah we do deserve better.

if only... we had more people that existed/thinked for themselves

al1

im not drunk but im fighting sleep here... knowing that if i laid down i would be wide awake grrrrrrrrrr

i might go ahead and get drunk lol
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"I think, therefore I am."

"I think not, therefore I am not."

Simple! :)
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But if all things return to the One, where does the One return?

:calvin12:
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First, if you're not thinking...your body is dead. Second, the "One" doesn't return anywhere. In order to return, you'd have to of left
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First, if you're not thinking...your body is dead. Second, the "One" doesn't return anywhere. In order to return, you'd have to of left
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You can be in a state of experiencing without engaging the organ of thought. This is a translation misunderstanding, mind is not "that place in your head where you think", but rather "where experiences take place", which includes "brain" activities such as thought and "heart" activities such as feelings.

Lost in translation, just like "consciousness" (as there are said to be many streams of consciousness that makes up our experience, one for each sense, but the west takes consciousness to be some kind of whole, and so misunderstands)

All things return to the one, but the one returns to all things, this distinction is a false distinction

As for being a cog in the machine, there is a way out in the core of many religions, if you dare to explore outside of the bounds of what we are taught to believe, and dare to examine all religions objectively in order to see the common ground, to see all of the pieces of the puzzle

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Just because your not thinking doesn't mean you are not you.

I am thinking.

I am not thinking.

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mmm that's grim. but you have a good point there. what if we're all hardware with malleable minds? are we just vessels? that would be sad. i hope that we are all not just cogs in a great machine.

that machine seems to be earth in its entirety. a few controlling the weak. hmm... i wonder how we can escape this. we need a mass consciousness awakening in terms of how FUCKED UP this world is lol.

we deserve better than this. human beings shouldn't be born in chains and have to pay with our lives just to eke out an existence.

(and again this has been a drunken calx rant please be kind.) :D

al1
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Calx bro... you are awesome!

yeah we do deserve better.

if only... we had more people that existed/thinked for themselves

al1

im not drunk but im fighting sleep here... knowing that if i laid down i would be wide awake grrrrrrrrrr

i might go ahead and get drunk lol
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Don't get drunk it's the coward's way out. I drink to keep out the demons. I would recommend green tea but there's too much god darn fluoride in it.
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mmm that's grim. but you have a good point there. what if we're all hardware with malleable minds? are we just vessels? that would be sad. i hope that we are all not just cogs in a great machine.

that machine seems to be earth in its entirety. a few controlling the weak. hmm... i wonder how we can escape this. we need a mass consciousness awakening in terms of how FUCKED UP this world is lol.

we deserve better than this. human beings shouldn't be born in chains and have to pay with our lives just to eke out an existence.

(and again this has been a drunken calx rant please be kind.) :D

:al1:
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Calx bro... you are awesome!

yeah we do deserve better.

if only... we had more people that existed/thinked for themselves

:al1:

im not drunk but im fighting sleep here... knowing that if i laid down i would be wide awake grrrrrrrrrr

i might go ahead and get drunk lol
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Calx...keep on keepin on. You know you can rant here anytime. But it is sad. We are born into shackles because we came into a society with established right and wrongs/do's and don'ts in which the ones who are making and upholding the rules/laws are the ones who break it the most; with little or no remorse. We do deserve better but clearly we arent willing to fight for it, not yet anyways. One of these days we'll get the snowball rolling, then it's game on.
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First, if you're not thinking...your body is dead. Second, the "One" doesn't return anywhere. In order to return, you'd have to of left
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You can be in a state of experiencing without engaging the organ of thought. This is a translation misunderstanding, mind is not "that place in your head where you think", but rather "where experiences take place", which includes "brain" activities such as thought and "heart" activities such as feelings.

Lost in translation, just like "consciousness" (as there are said to be many streams of consciousness that makes up our experience, one for each sense, but the west takes consciousness to be some kind of whole, and so misunderstands)

All things return to the one, but the one returns to all things, this distinction is a false distinction

As for being a cog in the machine, there is a way out in the core of many religions, if you dare to explore outside of the bounds of what we are taught to believe, and dare to examine all religions objectively in order to see the common ground, to see all of the pieces of the puzzle
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These "experiences" that you allude to are practically the opposite of that. They are are photos or video clip, most of which are fabricated by ourselves. The brain is suppose to distinguish pleasure from pain but it would be wiser to explore it more
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Calx...keep on keepin on. You know you can rant here anytime. But it is sad. We are born into shackles because we came into a society with established right and wrongs/do's and don'ts in which the ones who are making and upholding the rules/laws are the ones who break it the most; with little or no remorse.
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Well the worse thing is that the shackles that bind us the most are a result of the world itself, not what people may or may not do. You buy a nice car, and suddenly you are bound in chains wrapped so thick you can barely breathe, got to keep the car nice, clean, got to get fuel, get cash, pay the mechanic, got to worry about not getting it stolen, scratched, got to be focused and not crash, got to watch out for pesky pedestrians, got to deal with the traffic, the speed limits and road cops, other drivers, blah blah blah blah blah.

Very thick chains indeed.
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These "experiences" that you allude to are practically the opposite of that. They are are photos or video clip, most of which are fabricated by ourselves. The brain is suppose to distinguish pleasure from pain but it would be wiser to explore it more
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Experience is experience, it's the absolute only thing you ever know, as everything, everything is just an experience.

While the nature of experience is not at all like a video clip, as in biologically speaking that is not how things work in the way your eyes/ears send information to your brain, it is true that experience, all experience, is a fabrication of your own mind. This is biologically what your brain does, it takes raw sensory data and builds an internal representation, and this representation is all we normally experience.

We all feed constantly on the blue pill!

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Do I cease to exist, hee ho? :<
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Calx...keep on keepin on. You know you can rant here anytime. But it is sad. We are born into shackles because we came into a society with established right and wrongs/do's and don'ts in which the ones who are making and upholding the rules/laws are the ones who break it the most; with little or no remorse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32900948


Well the worse thing is that the shackles that bind us the most are a result of the world itself, not what people may or may not do. You buy a nice car, and suddenly you are bound in chains wrapped so thick you can barely breathe, got to keep the car nice, clean, got to get fuel, get cash, pay the mechanic, got to worry about not getting it stolen, scratched, got to be focused and not crash, got to watch out for pesky pedestrians, got to deal with the traffic, the speed limits and road cops, other drivers, blah blah blah blah blah.

Very thick chains indeed.
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Couldn't agree with you more. And I like how much you go into detail. Most the time when I give a scenario and elaborate a little on it, Im told Im going off on a tangent. Um no...Im a thinker.

Keep in mind though many of us have been slowly but surely breaking away at the chains. Many are starting to devalue the material world in such a way, it is obvious to tell who are the ones that are concerned with what others think and are living life based off a cliche operating manual. Its okay though, we know the change doesn't start with them. All we can do is offer advise and smile at those who ignore
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These "experiences" that you allude to are practically the opposite of that. They are are photos or video clip, most of which are fabricated by ourselves. The brain is suppose to distinguish pleasure from pain but it would be wiser to explore it more
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32900948


Experience is experience, it's the absolute only thing you ever know, as everything, everything is just an experience.

While the nature of experience is not at all like a video clip, as in biologically speaking that is not how things work in the way your eyes/ears send information to your brain, it is true that experience, all experience, is a fabrication of your own mind. This is biologically what your brain does, it takes raw sensory data and builds an internal representation, and this representation is all we normally experience.
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I think i just don't like this term "experience" then. Because whats a dream? What are we doing when we day dream and are actively imagining something different. We can replay a scenario in our heads so many times, that the story begins to change, wether by adding something or forgetting something

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