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How many here actually know how to raise crops

 
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I was raised by my grandparents who were depression era share croppers and cotton pickers. When I was a kid their "garden" was 4 acres in size and fed the entire neighborhood. Raising crops is in my blood. There's a lot I don't know, but I've raised several gardens of my own.

In college I learned a lot about permaculture. I haven't fully embraced the idea yet as I'm not convinced that large harvests can be maintained with no pesticides. I'll give it a try some day though, since huge labor savings can be realized (for non-machine harvested crops) once the raised beds are established.

Realistically you'll need almost an acre to completely feed a family of four and you'll need to do successive plantings. You'll need to be able to put away this food also. Beans and field peas are great as they can be dried and stored easily. Freezing stuff is easy....so long as electricity is available.

I anticipate doom as an economic event where everything is still available, but priced sky high. Thus I could still buy the few dozen gallons of gas needed to farm. I'd still have electricity. Otherwise, everything would have to be canned or dried and plowing would turn into a nightmare (permaculture time).

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what is there to know? im from the country, i bet everyone in my village would be able to raise crops.

and city folks dont need to know. they will be busy killing each other when shtf.
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I worked in the produce section of a large super market. I would hace to raise the crops from thier containers on the floor and stock the vegtable and fruit shelves.
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I have very little knowledge on farming but am curious how much work is required for let's say an acre of crops, couple of hours a day every day more or less?
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I can grow a few veggies from seeds, but I don't know enough to feed me for the year.
I just want people to know you can learn and grow crops.
This is my fourth year and I cannot describe how you really learn from experience more than reading a book.
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Petrochemical derived fertilizers will be out of reach during the economic collapse.

They will cost too much, you wont be able to buy them.


And that is all most people know.

When you say fertilizer they think of Miracle Grow. Which is a basic NPK fertilizer made from petrochemicals.


These types of fertilizers strip the soil of micro nutrients, minerals and trace elements. Because all they provide are the Macro Nutrients.


But really feeding plants chemicals made from oil is not natural.

It is not how nature does things.


We will have to model nature when we dont have access to the chemicals made from oil.


There are some people out there who understand Organic Gardening and Composting. The are the ones who will thrive.


Ammend the soil with Rock Dust AKA: Azomite.

It will replenish the Minerals, and trace elements. Then you can build up the soil with composted manures, food scraps and liter.
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Better have enough solar panels and batteries to at least run a fridge and freezer.
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
I have very little knowledge on farming but am curious how much work is required for let's say an acre of crops, couple of hours a day every day more or less?
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No, that is a full time job if not done with industrial chemicals and machines. And that is assuming that you start with fabulous and prepared soil.
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I have very little knowledge on farming but am curious how much work is required for let's say an acre of crops, couple of hours a day every day more or less?
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No, that is a full time job if not done with industrial chemicals and machines. And that is assuming that you start with fabulous and prepared soil.
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I have very little knowledge on farming but am curious how much work is required for let's say an acre of crops, couple of hours a day every day more or less?
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
I have very little knowledge on farming but am curious how much work is required for let's say an acre of crops, couple of hours a day every day more or less?
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That depends. During planting time you'll work your butt off, but the weather is nice. After that you'll be hoeing out the weeds. This part isn't too bad. A couple of hours a day every day will do the trick. When harvest time comes it'll be miserably hot (in the South anyway) and you'll be busy all day every day picking and processing food.

An acre is a pretty big garden. It'll keep two people quite busy, but it'll produce a whole lot of food. Thousands of pounds.
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I believe the more important question is who knows how to build soil and improve soil.
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
I can grow a few veggies from seeds, but I don't know enough to feed me for the year.
I just want people to know you can learn and grow crops.
This is my fourth year and I cannot describe how you really learn from experience more than reading a book.
 Quoting: Olea Yimoria


Agreed, I read a lot but it took a few years of actually doing it to get the hang of it.

I grow about an acre. All the veggies we eat are from my garden. I can what cans well, and the rest, like lettuce are seasonal.

I don't treat anything with pesticide, I've found a way around most pests. Some of my crops are grown to feed chickens which in turn provide fertilizer for crops.

The crazy thing is I live in the suburbs, sandwiched between several subdivisions, but still zoned agricultural believe it or not!
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I can grow a few veggies from seeds, but I don't know enough to feed me for the year.
I just want people to know you can learn and grow crops.
This is my fourth year and I cannot describe how you really learn from experience more than reading a book.
 Quoting: Olea Yimoria


There is no replacement for experience, but never let anyone tell you that reading a book isn't extremely valuable. Reading can save you years of failures as you gain experience.
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
You also need to consider fencing or some other means of keeping animals, bugs, etc from eating and stripping your crops...
some bugs can be picked off by hand, but if you are talking an acre or more, forget that...netting, perhaps?

the fence would have to go down a couple feet to keep moles and other burrowing animals from getting under and eating the roots, too...

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I was raised by my grandparents who were depression era share croppers and cotton pickers. When I was a kid their "garden" was 4 acres in size and fed the entire neighborhood. Raising crops is in my blood. There's a lot I don't know, but I've raised several gardens of my own.

In college I learned a lot about permaculture. I haven't fully embraced the idea yet as I'm not convinced that large harvests can be maintained with no pesticides. I'll give it a try some day though, since huge labor savings can be realized (for non-machine harvested crops) once the raised beds are established.

Realistically you'll need almost an acre to completely feed a family of four and you'll need to do successive plantings. You'll need to be able to put away this food also. Beans and field peas are great as they can be dried and stored easily. Freezing stuff is easy....so long as electricity is available.

I anticipate doom as an economic event where everything is still available, but priced sky high. Thus I could still buy the few dozen gallons of gas needed to farm. I'd still have electricity. Otherwise, everything would have to be canned or dried and plowing would turn into a nightmare (permaculture time).

Thoughts? Comments?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34610595


I grow Vegetables & Fruit, Raise Rabbits & Tilopia, Grow 3,000 gallon's of Chlorella.

I Grow the Rabbit Food and the Tilopia.

The Chlorella pools water the Garden, I have 2 corners penned just for Weeds & grass for the rabbits, and the Tilopia swim in their duckweed pond, Tilopia eat duck weed.

Our back yard is a series of pen's for veggies or animals

Sunny Florida, we grow 12 months out of the year.

Vegetable Fruite Garden:

Kale
Collards
Spinach
Cabbage
Broccoli
Lettuce
Radishes
Carrots
Tomatoes
Bell Peppers
Cucumber
Squash
Zucchini
Green Beans
Water Melon
Honey Dew Melon
canalope
Jalapeno
Hot Wax
Habenero
Cayenne
Rosemary
Mint
Basil
Oregano

I am an excellent canner as well.

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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
I can grow a few veggies from seeds, but I don't know enough to feed me for the year.
I just want people to know you can learn and grow crops.
This is my fourth year and I cannot describe how you really learn from experience more than reading a book.
 Quoting: Olea Yimoria


Agreed, I read a lot but it took a few years of actually doing it to get the hang of it.

I grow about an acre. All the veggies we eat are from my garden. I can what cans well, and the rest, like lettuce are seasonal.

I don't treat anything with pesticide, I've found a way around most pests. Some of my crops are grown to feed chickens which in turn provide fertilizer for crops.

The crazy thing is I live in the suburbs, sandwiched between several subdivisions, but still zoned agricultural believe it or not!
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Same here on pesticides, and one of the best things I learn to fight aphids is paprika. To them it's like hot peppers and they will leave pronto. You just have to be sure to rinse the paprika off after a day or two because it can cause the plants to yellow.
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Save your potato eyes. Plant them eye up. Vola shtf crophf
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
I believe the more important question is who knows how to build soil and improve soil.
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I've visited some permaculture farms in the Ozarks that are pretty amazing. Once the beds are established the soil work is over forever. Building just one bed is labor intensive though.

I have to say that in a time of doom I'm going to use conventional agriculture in as much as I can. If I'm worried about feeding my family in 3 months I'm not going to be worried about soil erosion or sevin dust. That said, a transition will need to made. My idea is to have enough fertilizer and poison on hand to get me through at least one year. I can use the added time to transition to permaculture.

Where I live the bugs are pretty bad. Last year squash bugs were so bad that they invaded the forests. Also, urban gardens simply don't face the same magnitude of pest problems. Having grown in both environments I can attest to that.
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We have a short growing season here, but I have a completely Heirloom garden. (any seeds you buy in a store are GMO - and even if you're growing your own plants, the plants are GMO) Meaning your produce is GMO and you cannot harvest seeds because if you attempt to use them, you will get mutants. I start tomatoes, peppers, broccoli and cauliflower indoors with heat mats and grow lights for 8-10 weeks, while hardening them off before planting in the garden. BTW - every other year, we get fresh manure from the farm down the street to treat the soil. I also use Protogrow all natural fertilizer as directed. It smells like dead fish, but does a great job. The hardest part of going completely heirloom is saving the seeds - which takes quite a while and takes up a lot of space. There is more to it, but you get the gist.
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Better have enough solar panels and batteries to at least run a fridge and freezer.
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Better check into that. The energy required to run those two items is quite substantial. Not like one or two panels will do the trick and then if there is no Sun then they only charge so much.

Alot of people don't realize that most solar won't do the trick unless you have a huge array. You need a generator to charge up the batteries with no Sun if they get really low to get them going again.

Most solar in North America could only be counted on about 7 mnths of the year.

Learn to live without your fridge and freezer. You will need your solar for other things.
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You also need to consider fencing or some other means of keeping animals, bugs, etc from eating and stripping your crops...
some bugs can be picked off by hand, but if you are talking an acre or more, forget that...netting, perhaps?

the fence would have to go down a couple feet to keep moles and other burrowing animals from getting under and eating the roots, too...

 Quoting: Abi ~


I've looked into netting. It's expensive, but very effective.

My grandmother told me how back in the day when your crop literally meant survival people often sleep in their gardens at night to help keep the deer and rabbits out. The old dog would, of course, sleep right along side you. Between your snoring and the dog being around it was pretty effective.
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Better have enough solar panels and batteries to at least run a fridge and freezer.
 Quoting: Fatstogie


Better check into that. The energy required to run those two items is quite substantial. Not like one or two panels will do the trick and then if there is no Sun then they only charge so much.

Alot of people don't realize that most solar won't do the trick unless you have a huge array. You need a generator to charge up the batteries with no Sun if they get really low to get them going again.

Most solar in North America could only be counted on about 7 mnths of the year.

Learn to live without your fridge and freezer. You will need your solar for other things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35075089


A root celler/ basement I have is a godsend. It is always cold even on the hottest day in summer. It's not cold enought for things like milk, but it keeps the food lasting longer.
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Wow, thanks for sharing. I really LOVE this!
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
I can grow a few veggies from seeds, but I don't know enough to feed me for the year.
I just want people to know you can learn and grow crops.
This is my fourth year and I cannot describe how you really learn from experience more than reading a book.
 Quoting: Olea Yimoria


Agreed, I read a lot but it took a few years of actually doing it to get the hang of it.

I grow about an acre. All the veggies we eat are from my garden. I can what cans well, and the rest, like lettuce are seasonal.

I don't treat anything with pesticide, I've found a way around most pests. Some of my crops are grown to feed chickens which in turn provide fertilizer for crops.

The crazy thing is I live in the suburbs, sandwiched between several subdivisions, but still zoned agricultural believe it or not!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35071413


Same here on pesticides, and one of the best things I learn to fight aphids is paprika. To them it's like hot peppers and they will leave pronto. You just have to be sure to rinse the paprika off after a day or two because it can cause the plants to yellow.
 Quoting: Olea Yimoria


I'll have to remember that one, I have been planting marigolds between my tomatoes and that seems to work pretty well too.
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
We have a short growing season here, but I have a completely Heirloom garden. (any seeds you buy in a store are GMO - and even if you're growing your own plants, the plants are GMO) Meaning your produce is GMO and you cannot harvest seeds because if you attempt to use them, you will get mutants. I start tomatoes, peppers, broccoli and cauliflower indoors with heat mats and grow lights for 8-10 weeks, while hardening them off before planting in the garden. BTW - every other year, we get fresh manure from the farm down the street to treat the soil. I also use Protogrow all natural fertilizer as directed. It smells like dead fish, but does a great job. The hardest part of going completely heirloom is saving the seeds - which takes quite a while and takes up a lot of space. There is more to it, but you get the gist.
 Quoting: Lulu35


I do heirlooms as well. I'm on my 4th year, and every year they produce better. The first year they didn't do so well - I wonder if they "adjust" to the climate?
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You also need to consider fencing or some other means of keeping animals, bugs, etc from eating and stripping your crops...
some bugs can be picked off by hand, but if you are talking an acre or more, forget that...netting, perhaps?

the fence would have to go down a couple feet to keep moles and other burrowing animals from getting under and eating the roots, too...

 Quoting: Abi ~


I've looked into netting. It's expensive, but very effective.

My grandmother told me how back in the day when your crop literally meant survival people often sleep in their gardens at night to help keep the deer and rabbits out. The old dog would, of course, sleep right along side you. Between your snoring and the dog being around it was pretty effective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34610595


Our dog was great at keeping the deer/rabbits/coyotes out, but our yuppy neighbors complained about him barking (he only barked when there WAS a deer or coyote) so I have had to come up with other deterrents.
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I was raised by my grandparents who were depression era share croppers and cotton pickers. When I was a kid their "garden" was 4 acres in size and fed the entire neighborhood. Raising crops is in my blood. There's a lot I don't know, but I've raised several gardens of my own.

In college I learned a lot about permaculture. I haven't fully embraced the idea yet as I'm not convinced that large harvests can be maintained with no pesticides. I'll give it a try some day though, since huge labor savings can be realized (for non-machine harvested crops) once the raised beds are established.

Realistically you'll need almost an acre to completely feed a family of four and you'll need to do successive plantings. You'll need to be able to put away this food also. Beans and field peas are great as they can be dried and stored easily. Freezing stuff is easy....so long as electricity is available.

I anticipate doom as an economic event where everything is still available, but priced sky high. Thus I could still buy the few dozen gallons of gas needed to farm. I'd still have electricity. Otherwise, everything would have to be canned or dried and plowing would turn into a nightmare (permaculture time).

Thoughts? Comments?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34610595


I grow Vegetables & Fruit, Raise Rabbits & Tilopia, Grow 3,000 gallon's of Chlorella.

I Grow the Rabbit Food and the Tilopia.

The Chlorella pools water the Garden, I have 2 corners penned just for Weeds & grass for the rabbits, and the Tilopia swim in their duckweed pond, Tilopia eat duck weed.

Our back yard is a series of pen's for veggies or animals

Sunny Florida, we grow 12 months out of the year.

Vegetable Fruite Garden:

Kale
Collards
Spinach
Cabbage
Broccoli
Lettuce
Radishes
Carrots
Tomatoes
Bell Peppers
Cucumber
Squash
Zucchini
Green Beans
Water Melon
Honey Dew Melon
canalope
Jalapeno
Hot Wax
Habenero
Cayenne
Rosemary
Mint
Basil
Oregano

I am an excellent canner as well.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


Awesome list... I would love to raise catfish but I don't have a pond and haven't figured out how I would aerate/pump a small pool without electricity
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Re: How many here actually know how to raise crops
I was raised by my grandparents who were depression era share croppers and cotton pickers. When I was a kid their "garden" was 4 acres in size and fed the entire neighborhood. Raising crops is in my blood. There's a lot I don't know, but I've raised several gardens of my own.

In college I learned a lot about permaculture. I haven't fully embraced the idea yet as I'm not convinced that large harvests can be maintained with no pesticides. I'll give it a try some day though, since huge labor savings can be realized (for non-machine harvested crops) once the raised beds are established.

Realistically you'll need almost an acre to completely feed a family of four and you'll need to do successive plantings. You'll need to be able to put away this food also. Beans and field peas are great as they can be dried and stored easily. Freezing stuff is easy....so long as electricity is available.

I anticipate doom as an economic event where everything is still available, but priced sky high. Thus I could still buy the few dozen gallons of gas needed to farm. I'd still have electricity. Otherwise, everything would have to be canned or dried and plowing would turn into a nightmare (permaculture time).

Thoughts? Comments?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34610595


I grow Vegetables & Fruit, Raise Rabbits & Tilopia, Grow 3,000 gallon's of Chlorella.

I Grow the Rabbit Food and the Tilopia.

The Chlorella pools water the Garden, I have 2 corners penned just for Weeds & grass for the rabbits, and the Tilopia swim in their duckweed pond, Tilopia eat duck weed.

Our back yard is a series of pen's for veggies or animals

Sunny Florida, we grow 12 months out of the year.

Vegetable Fruite Garden:

Kale
Collards
Spinach
Cabbage
Broccoli
Lettuce
Radishes
Carrots
Tomatoes
Bell Peppers
Cucumber
Squash
Zucchini
Green Beans
Water Melon
Honey Dew Melon
canalope
Jalapeno
Hot Wax
Habenero
Cayenne
Rosemary
Mint
Basil
Oregano

I am an excellent canner as well.
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


I like the concept of a micro farm... That is what I am working t'word. A wide verity of plants and small animals. So far, in the small animal department I have chickens, rabbits, Guinea hens. I will be adding talapia, quail and duckweed this year. I also will ad a frog pond in my garden. These animals are the basis of my pest control and soil building plan.
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I always hated using sevin dust and then watching the poor bees fly in to their deaths. Sevin dust is the number one pesticide in my gardens. It is a nightmare, too. The later in the year it gets the more you have to use.

In the city I did fine without it. In the country it must take a whole lot of effort to get by without poison. The permaculture farms I visited were pesticide free. Probably half their work was spent on pest management. They used the text book methods. Crops were dispersed and intermixed as much as pollination would allow. They grew multiple breeds of each crop. There were butt loads of flowers intermixed. Thickets of honey suckle and stuff (blackberries, too) were grown around the perimeter. I imagine they introduced their own beneficial insects as well.

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