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Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)

 
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Re: Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)
BECAUAE IT WOULD BLOW EVERYTHING IF WE SAW AN AMERICAN CRUISE MISSLE SMASHING INTO THE PENTAGON!!!!!
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NO cruise missile could have made it to the 3rd ring.

NO cruise missile could have even made it halfway throught the first ring.

That requires penetrating power - ie. mass and momentum. There isnt a cruise missile in use by any military anywhere on earth that has the mass and momentum to penetrate that deeply into a fortified structure.
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The outer three rings are a single building on the first two floors.
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Are all the eyewitnesses to the crash liars and conspirators?

Are all the people from multiple agencies involved in the rescue, recovery, and investigation liars and conspirators?

Are all the people injured at the Pentagon liars and conspirators?

Are all the plane parts identifed at the Pentagon from Flight 77 ravaged somewhere else and then placed there right after the(bomb missile, magic fairy) whatever else happened there?

Were all the people who died on Flight 77 really taken somewhere else instead and killed?

Was the known and documented plane, N644AA, taken somewhere else instead?

Was the known and documented flight 77 taken somewhere else?




No to all of the above.
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Anderson, Steve
I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
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Anlauf, Deb & Jeff Mrs. Deb Anlauf,
resident of Colfax, Wisconsin, was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel [located 1.6 mile from the explosion], (immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar": Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook. (...) Jeff didn't feel the impact of the plane crash as directly as his wife. He was attending an environmental meeting on the second floor of the hotel when the plane struck the Pentagon. About five seconds before the crash, Jeff said he heard the sound of "tin being dropped," likely as construction workers building an addition to the hotel saw the plane and dropped their building materials. "Then, about 5 seconds later, the whole hotel shook," Jeff recalled. "I could feel it moving. We said 'Oh, my gosh, what's going on?' "
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Bauer, Gary
"...came from behind us and banked to the right and went into the Pentagon." Interview with Warren Smith
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Benedetto, Richard Richard
Benedetto, a USA TODAY reporter, was on his way to work, driving on the Highway parrallel to the Pentagon : "It was an American Airlines airplane, I could see it very clearly.(...) I didn't see the impact. (...) The sound itself sounded more like a thud rather than a bomb (...) rather than a loud bomb explosion it sounded muffled, heavy, very deep. I didn't see any flaps, it looked like the plane was just in normal flying mode but heading straight down. It was straight. The only thing we saw on the ground outside there was a piece of a ... the tail of a lamp post. (Video)
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Boger, Sean Sean
Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building." "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." The crew, Boger and Spc. Jacqueline Kidd, air traffic controller and training supervisor, prepared for President George W. Bush to arrive from Florida around 12:30 p.m.
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Bouchoux, Donald R. Donald R.
Bouchoux, 53, a retired Naval officer, a Great Falls resident, a Vietnam veteran and former commanding officer of a Navy fighter squadron, was driving west from Tysons Corner to the Pentagon for a 10am meeting. He wrote: At 9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards [should be more than 150 yards from the impact] in front of me and impacted the side of the building. There was an enormous fireball, followed about two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to the right when the shock wave hit. I had what must have been an emergency oxygen bottle from the airplane go flying down across the front of my Explorer and then a second piece of jagged metal come down on the right side of the car. Washington Post, Sept. 20, 2001
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Bright, Mark
Defense Protective Service officers were the first on the scene of the terrorist attack. One, Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building. He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building. "I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon. He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "As soon as it struck the building I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental," Bright said. He jumped into his police cruiser and headed to the area.
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It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane, Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here."
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Cissell, James R.
As former Cincinnatian James R. Cissell sat in traffic on a Virginia interstate by the Pentagon Tuesday morning, he saw the blur of a commercial jet and wondered why it was flying so low. ''Right about the time it was crossing over the highway, it kind of dawned on me what was happening,'' said Cissell, son of Hamilton County Clerk of Courts Jim Cissell. In the next blink of an eye, he realized he had a front-row seat to history, as the plane plowed into the Pentagon, sending a fireball exploding into the air and scattering debris - including a tire rim suspected of belonging to the airplane - past his car. (...) In the next seconds dozens of things flashed through his mind. ''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is a big plane.' Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board,'' Cissell said. While he remembers seeing the crash, Cissell remembers none of the sounds. ''It came in in a perfectly straight line,'' he said. ''It didn't slow down. I want to say it accelerated. It just shot straight in.''
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Creed, Dan He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls.
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Dobbs, Mike
Marine Corps officer Mike Dobbs was standing on one of the upper levels of the outer ring of the Pentagon looking out the window when he saw an American Airlines 737 twin-engine airliner strike the building. "It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion," he said later Tuesday. "I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running. They evacuated everybody around us." [link to www.abqtrib.com]


Dobbs, Mike
"... we saw a plane coming toward us, for about 10 seconds ... It was like watching a train wreck. I was mesmerized. ... At first I thought it was trying to crash land, but it was coming in so deliberately, so level... Everyone said there was a deafening explosion, but with the adrenaline, we didn't hear it."St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Sept. 13, 2001 - Philip Dine
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Dubill, Bob
" (...) when he saw a jetliner fly over the roadway. It filled his field of vision. The jet was 40-feet off the ground speeding toward the Pentagon. The wheels were up
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Eiden, Steve
Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. "You could almost see the people in the windows," he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit.
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Elgas, Penny
Traffic was at a standstill. I heard a rumble, looked out my driver's side window and realized that I was looking at the nose of an airplane coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there- very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station that I never knew was there. My first thought was "Oh My God, this must be World War III!" In that split second, my brain flooded with adrenaline and I watched everything play out in ultra slow motion, I saw the plane coming in slow motion toward my car and then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport. In the nano-second that the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car, the plane seemed to be not more than 80 feet off the ground and about 4-5 car lengths in front of me. It was far enough in front of me that I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the underside of the other wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground. I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes. And I remember thinking that it was just like planes in which I had flown many times but at that point it never occurred to me that this might be a plane with passengers. In my adrenaline-filled state of mind, I was overcome by my visual senses. The day had started out beautiful and sunny and I had driven to work with my car's sunroof open. I believe that I may have also had one or more car windows open because the traffic wasn't moving anyway. At the second that I saw the plane, my visual senses took over completely and I did not hear or feel anything -- not the roar of the plane, or wind force, or impact sounds. The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building. It was here that I closed my eyes for a moment and when I looked back, the entire area was awash in thick black smoke.
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Elliott, Bruce
Former ammunition plant official evacuated building moments before suicide airliner collision.Col. Bruce Elliott, former commander of the Iowa Army Ammunition Plant who was reassigned to the Pentagon in July, watched in horror Tuesday as a hijacked 757 airliner crashed into the nerve center of the U.S. military command. Elliott, in a phone interview Wednesday, said he had just left the Pentagon and was about to board a shuttle van in a south parking lot when he saw the plane approach and slam into the west side of the structure. "I looked to my left and saw the plane coming in," said Elliott, who watched it for several seconds. "It was banking and garnering speed. I felt it was headed for the Pentagon." (...) "It was like a kamikaze pilot. I felt it was going to ram the Pentagon," he said. He said the craft clipped a utility pole guide wire, which may have slowed it down a bit before it crashed into the building and burst into flames. (...) Elliott said the rubble was still smoldering Wednesday morning.
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Flyler, Kim
Kim Flyler was trying to sneak into a parking space near to the building when she saw the plane: "At that moment I heard a plane and then a loud cracking noise.... Right before the plane hit the building, you could see the silhouettes of people in the back two rows. You couldn't see if they were male or female, but you could tell there was a human being in there."
The Observer, Sept. 8, 2002


Gaines, Kat
Kat Gaines, heading south on Route 110, approached the parking lots, saw a low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles. "
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Hagos, Afework
Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."
Asework Hagos, 26, of Arlington, was driving on Columbia Pike on his way to work as a consultant for Nextel. He saw a plane flying very low and close to nearby buildings. "I thought something was coming down on me. I know this plane is going to crash. I've never seen a plane like this so low." He said he looked at it and saw American Airline insignia and when it made impact with the Pentagon initially he saw smoke, then flames.
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Harrington, Joe
Harrington was working on the installation of new furniture in Wedge One, when he was called out to the parking lot to talk about security with his customer moments before the crash. "About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd.," Harrington said. "It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It was like a Hollywood movie or something.
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Hemphill, Albert
From the view of the Navy Annex : After a few moments, Lt Gen Ron Kadish, Director of the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization entered the Secure Conference Room to pursue the day's activities and do real work. This office, with two nice windows and a great view of the monuments, the Capitol and the Pentagon was "good digs" by any Pentagon standard. I walked in the office and stood peering out of the window looking at the Pentagon. As I stood there, I instinctively ducked at the extremely loud roar and whine of a jet engine spooling up. Immediately, the large silver cylinder of an aircraft appeared in my window, coming over my right shoulder as I faced the Westside of the Pentagon directly towards the heliport. The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus, seemed to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia Pike - an Arlington road leading to Pentagon. The aircraft was moving fast, at what I could only be estimate as between 250 to 300 knots. All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for approximately 3 seconds. The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5. What instantly followed was a large yellow fireball accompanied by an extremely bass sounding, deep thunderous boom. The yellow fireball rose quickly as black smoke engulfed the entire Westside of the Pentagon, obscuring the whole of the heliport. I could feel the concussion and felt the shockwave of the blast impact the window of the Annex, knocking me against the desk.
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Kean, Terrance
Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window. "I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."
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Kizildrgli, Aydan
Kizildrgli, while driving by the Pentagon, "saw the jetliner bank slightly"
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Lagasse, William
Sgt. William Lagasse, a pentagon police dog handler, the son of an aviation instructor, was filling up his patrol car at a gas station near the Pentagon when he noticed a jet fly in low. He watched as the plane plowed into the Pentagon. Initially, he thought the plane was about to drop on top of him -- it was that close. Lagasse knew something was wrong. The 757's flaps were not deployed and the landing gear was retracted.
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Lagasse, William
I saw the aircraft above my head about 80 feet above the ground, 400 miles an hour. The reason, I have some experience as a pilot and I looked at the plane. Didn't see any landing gear. Didn't see any flaps down. I realized it wasn't going to land. . . . It was close enough that I could see the windows and the blinds had been pulled down. I read American Airlines on it. . . .I got on the radio and broadcast. I said a plane is, is heading toward the heliport side of the building.
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Liebner, Lincoln
"I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low," said Army Captain Lincoln Liebner. "My first thought was I've never seen one that high. Before it hit I realised what was happening."
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Marra, David
David Marra, 23, an information-technology specialist, had turned his BMW off an I-395 exit to the highway just west of the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet swooping in, its wings wobbly, looking like it was going to slam right into the Pentagon: "It was 50 ft. off the deck when he came in. It sounded like the pilot had the throttle completely floored. The plane rolled left and then rolled right. Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground." There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there, then the plane cartwheeled into the building.
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McCusker, Elaine
Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don't know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash.
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McGraw, Stephen
Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. "The traffic was very slow moving, and at one point just about at a standstill," said McGraw, a Catholic priest at St. Anthony Parish in Falls Church. "I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars." McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. "I saw it crash into the building," he said. "My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression," he said. "There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows. "He literally had the stole in one hand and a prayer book in the other and in one fluid motion crossed the guardrail," said Mark Faram, a reporter from the Navy Times who witnessed McGraw in the first moments after the crash.
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Middleton, William Sr.
The worker, William Middleton Sr., was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft. Middleton said the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.
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Morin, Terry
Terry Morin, a former USMC aviator, Program Manager for SPARTA, Inc was working as a contractor at the BMDO offices at the old Navy Annex. Having just reached the elevator in the 5th Wing of BMDO Federal Office Building (FOB) # 2. He heard "an increasingly loud rumbling" One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn't be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities. Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots.
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Mosley, James
James Mosley, four stories up on a scaffold at the Navy Annex, "`... I looked over and saw this big silver plane run into the side of the Pentagon"
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Munsey, Christopher
A silver, twin-engine American Airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and straight toward the Pentagon, just hundreds of yards away. It was a nightmare coming to life. The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments exploded in a ground-shaking "whoomp" as it appeared to hit the side of the Pentagon. A huge flash of orange flame and black smoke poured into the sky. Smoke seemed to change from black to white, forming a billowing column in the sky.
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Narayanan, Vin
At 9:35 a.m., I pulled alongside the Pentagon. With traffic at a standstill, my eyes wandered around the road, looking for the cause of the traffic jam. Then I looked up to my left and saw an American Airlines jet flying right at me. The jet roared over my head, clearing my car by about 25 feet. The tail of the plane clipped the overhanging exit sign above me as it headed straight at the Pentagon. The windows were dark on American Airlines Flight 77 as it streaked toward its target, only 50 yards away. The hijacked jet slammed into the Pentagon at a ferocious speed.
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O'Keefe, John
"I don't know whether I saw or heard it first -- this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet," said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. "It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. "The eeriest thing about it, was that it was like you were watching a movie. There was no huge explosion, no huge rumbling on ground, it just went 'pfff'. It wasn't what I would have expected for a plane that was not much more than a football field away from me. "The first thing I did was pull over onto the shoulder, and when I got out of the car I saw another plane flying over my head, and it scared ...me, because I knew there had been two planes that hit the World Trade Center. And I started jogging up the ramp to get as far away as possible. "Then the plane -- it looked like a C-130 cargo plane -- started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.
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Owens, Mary Ann
Mary Ann Owens, a journalist with Gannett News Service - was driving along by the side of the Pentagon. Here, she recalls the events of that horrific day and her feelings about the tragedy 12 months on. The sound of sudden and certain death roared in my ears as I sat lodged in gridlock on Washington Boulevard, next to the Pentagon on September 11. Up to that moment I had only experienced shock by the news coming from New York City and frustration with the worse-than-normal traffic snarl ... but it wasn't until I heard the demon screaming of that engine that I expected to die. Between the Pentagon's helicopter pad, which sits next to the road, and Reagan Washington National Airport a couple of miles south, aviation noise is common along my commute to the silver office towers in Rosslyn where Gannett Co Inc. were housed last autumn. But this engine noise was different. It was too sudden, too loud, too encompassing. Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass. Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon. Still gripping the wheel, I could feel both the car and my heart jolt at the moment of impact. An instant inferno blazed about 125 yards from me. The plane, the wall and the victims disappeared under coal-black smoke, three-storey tall flames and intense heat. As the thudding stopped, screams of horror and hysteria rose from the line of cars (...) The full impact of actually being alive overwhelmed me. A mere 125 yards had made me a witness instead of a casualty. Survival wasn't a miracle, it was luck ... pure luck.
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Peterson, Christine
October 18, 2001 - Christine Peterson, '73 found herself in the thick of last month's terrorist tragedy, and submitted this report. It offers a personal perspective on the events in Washington, D.C., which have perhaps been overshadowed in the media by the scope of the horrors in New York. It was 9:30 a.m. on Tuesday, September 11th, and traffic was terrible. For all of my twenty-eight years living in the Washington, D.C. area, terrible traffic was a constant. I'd been in Boston the day before and gotten home late. That morning I repacked my suitcase because I was heading out to San Francisco on the 3:20 p.m. flight. I just needed a few hours in the office first, and now I was officially late for work. I was at a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left -- and saw a plane flying so low I said, "holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car" (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing. And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened. Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke and torrents of fire. (...) A few minutes later a second, much smaller explosion got the attention of the police arriving on the scene.
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Probst, Frank
About 9:25 a.m., he stopped by the renovation workers' trailer just south of the Pentagon heliport.
Probst took a sidewalk alongside Route 27, which runs near the Pentagon's western face. Traffic was at a standstill because of a road accident. Then, at about 9:35 a.m., he saw the airliner in the cloudless September sky. American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon. He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze. "I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'" He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away. The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart. He still can't remember the sound of the explosion. Sometimes the memory starts to come back when he hears a particularly low-flying airliner heading into nearby Reagan National Airport, or when military jets fly over a burial at Arlington National Cemetery. Most of the time, though, his memory is silent. "It was pretty horrible," he said of the noiseless images he carries inside him, of the jet vanishing in a cloud of smoke and dust, and bits of metal and concrete drifting down like confetti. On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away.
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Probst, Frank
"I was standing on the sidewalk (parallel to the site of impact)...and I saw this plane coming right at me at what seemed like 300 miles an hour. I dove towards the ground and watched this great big engine from this beautiful airplane just vaporize," said Frank Probst, a member of the Pentagon renovations crew commented. "It looked like a huge fireball, pieces were flying out everywhere."
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Renzi, Rick Rick Renzi a law student - ''The plane came in at an incredibly steep angle with incredibly high speed,''... was driving by the Pentagon at the time of the crash about 9:40 a.m. The impact created a huge yellow and orange fireball, he added. Renzi, who was interviewed at the scene by FBI agents, said he stopped his car to watch and saw another plane following and turn off after the first craft's impact.
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James S Robbins a national-security analyst & 'nationalreviewonline' contributor: "I was standing, looking out my large office window, which faces west and from six stories up has a commanding view of the Potomac and the Virginia heights." "The Pentagon is about a mile and half distant in the center of the tableau. I was looking directly at it when the aircraft struck. The sight of the 757 diving in at an unrecoverable angle is frozen in my memory, but at the time. " I did not immediately comprehend what I was witnessing. There was a silvery flash, an explosion, and a dark, mushroom shaped cloud rose over the building. I froze, gaping for a second until the sound of the detonation, a sharp pop at that distance, shook me out of it. "
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Ryan, James
He tilted his wings, this way and in this way (Ryan mimics). He kinda did like that. At that point the plane was slow, so that happened concurrently with the engines going down. And then straighten up in sort of suddenly and hit full gas. (Ryan mimics). It was just so loud.(Video)
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Scott, Don
Don Scott, a Prince William County school bus driver living in Woodbridge, was driving eastward past the Pentagon on his way to an appointment at Walter Reed Army Medical Center: "I had just passed the Pentagon and was near the Macy's store in Crystal City when I noticed a plane making a sharp turn from north of the Pentagon. I had to look back at the road and then back to the plane as it sort of leveled off. I looked back at the road, and when I turned to look again, I felt and heard a terrible explosion. I looked back and saw flames shooting up and smoke starting to climb into the sky."Washington Post, 9/16/01(Lexis Nexis)
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Sheuerman, Philip
Philip Sheuerman, exiting the freeway, turning into the parking lot, of the Pentagon. saw "... a passenger plane ..."
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Singleton, Jack
"Where the plane came in was really at the construction entrance," says Jack Singleton, president of Singleton Electric Co. Inc., Gaithersburg MD, the Wedge One electrical subcontractor. "The plane's left wing actually came in near the ground and the right wing was tilted up in the air. That right wing went directly over our trailer, so if that wing had not tilted up, it would have hit the trailer. My foreman, Mickey Bell, had just walked out of the trailer and was walking toward the construction entrance."
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Sucherman, Joel
USAToday.com Multimedia Editor, saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror- struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction. It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle--almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course... "I didn't feel anything coming out of the Pentagon [in terms of debris]," he said. "A couple of minutes later, police cars and fire trucks headed to the scene." Ironically, the passage of emergency vehicles got traffic moving again, which was now crunching over twisted metal Sucherman guessed was the skin of the plane.
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Sucherman, Joel
it came screaming across the highway, route 110 - Was it a commercial jet? Do you know how many engines? - I did not see the engines, I saw the body and the tail; it was a silver jet with the markings along the windows that spoke to me as an American Airlines jet, it was not a commercial, excuse me, a business jet, it was not a lear jet, ... it was a bigger plane than that.. (Video)
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Sutherland, Jim
Jim Sutherland, a mortgage broker, was on his way to the Pentagon when he saw ... a white 737 twin-engine plane with multicolored trim fly 50 feet over I-395 in a straight line, striking the side of the Pentagon..
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Sutherland, Jim
Jim Sutherland, a mortgage broker, was driving near the Pentagon at 9:40 a.m. when he saw a 737 airplane 50 feet over Interstate 395 heading in a straight line into the side of the Pentagon. The fireball explosion that followed rocked his car. Drivers began pulling over to the side - some taking pictures - not quite believing what they were seeing.
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Timmerman, Tim
A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "It added power on its way in," he said. "The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball." Smoke and flames poured out of a large hole punched into the side of the Pentagon. Emergency crews rushed fire engines to the scene and ambulancemen ran towards the flames holding wooden pallets to carry bodies out. A few of the lightly injured, bleeding and covered in dust, were recovering on the lawn outside, some in civilian clothes, some in uniform. A piece of twisted aircraft fuselage lay nearby. No one knew how many people had been killed, but rescue workers were finding it nearly impossible to get to people trapped inside, beaten back by the flames and falling debris.
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Timmerman, Tim
Tim Timmerman : Pilot. I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible. It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there. (We were told that it was flying so low that it clipped off a couple of light poles as it was coming in) That might have happened behind the apartments that occluded my view. And when it reappeared, it was right before impact, and like I said, it was right before impact, and I saw the airplane just disintegrate and blow up into a huge ball of flames. And the building shook, and it was quite a tremendous explosion. I noticed the fire trucks and the responses was just wonderful. Fire trucks were there quickly. I saw the area; the building didn't look very damaged initially, but I do see now, looking out my window, there's quite a chunk in it. But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like.
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Wallace, Alan
Alan Wallace usually worked out of the Fort Myer fire station, but on Sept. Wallace and Skipper were walking along the right side of the truck (Young was in the station) when the two looked up and saw an airplane. It was about 25 feet off the ground and just 200 yards away-the length of two football fields. They had heard about the WTC disaster and had little doubt what was coming next. "Let's go," Wallace yelled. Both men ran. Wallace ran back toward the west side of the station, toward a nine-passenger Ford van. "My plans were to run until I caught on fire," he says. He didn't know how long he'd have or whether he could outrun the oncoming plane. Skipper ran north into an open field. Wallace hadn't gotten far when the plane hit. "I hadn't even reached the back of the van when I felt the fireball. I felt the blast," he says. [link to www.msnbc.com]


Wallace, Alan
About 9:40, Alan Wallace had finished fixing the foam metering valve on the back of his fire truck parked in the Pentagon fire station and walked to the front of the station. He looked up and saw a jetliner coming straight at him. It was about 25 feet off the ground, no landing wheels visible, a few hundred yards away and closing fast. "Runnnnn!" he yelled to a pal. There was no time to look back, barely time to scramble. He made it about 30 feet, heard a terrible roar, felt the heat, and dove underneath a van, skinning his stomach as he slid along the blacktop, sailing under it as though he were riding a luge. The van protected him against burning metal that was flying around. A few seconds later he was sliding back out to check on his friend and then race back to the firetruck..
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Wallace, Alan
The morning of Sept. 11 was crystal clear in Washington, still summer warm. It would be easy to relax on a morning like that, but outside the Pentagon, firefighter Alan Wallace and the safety crew at the Pentagon's heliport pad already were too busy. President Bush was scheduled to fly from Florida that afternoon, and his helicopter, Marine One, would carry him to the Pentagon. Secret Service was everywhere and their cars blocked the driveway. So the meticulous Wallace moved the fire truck out of the way, parking it about 15 feet from the Pentagon. That's when Wallace got a call from his chief at nearby Fort Myer telling him of the attacks in New York and to be on alert. Minutes later, Wallace and his buddy Mark Skipper looked up and saw the gleam of a silver jetliner. But it was flying too low. Maybe less than 25 feet off the ground. And it was heading right at them. "I yelled to Mark, 'Let's go!' " He bolted to the right, and a second later felt the searing heat of the blast behind him. He hit the ground and rolled under a parked van as a fire engulfed his fire truck, then blew through the firehouse. Wallace got back to his feet, saw Skipper had escaped, then rushed to the scorched fire truck to see if it would run, but the truck only belched fire. It wouldn't move. So Wallace switched on the truck's radio. "Foam 61 to Fort Myer," he said. "We have had a commercial carrier crash into the west side of the Pentagon at the heliport, Washington Boulevard side. The crew is OK. The airplane was a 757 Boeing or a 320 Airbus." Although he was still frantic and shaken, Wallace's report turned out to be painfully accurate. (...) With bits of cloth and fiberglass still raining down outside the blackened section of the Pentagon, Alan Wallace's instincts focused on trying to help somehow.
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Wyatt, Ian
Ian Wyatt glanced into the sky just as a commercial airplane roared by about 100 yards off the ground. "I was so scared I thought it was coming after me and just ducked for cover," said Wyatt, a 1999 graduate of Mary Washington College who was walking to his federal job when terrorists struck at the heart of the nation's defense yesterday morning. "It was going so fast and it was so low," he said, standing on Army-Navy Drive. "The only intelligent thought that came into my head was, 'Oh my God, they hit the Pentagon.' I could then hear cars squealing all around and people were just stunned." After the plane struck the west side of the famed five-sided building, thick black smoke billowed from a huge crater as fire raged within.
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Yeingst, William
Just prior to the impact there were three firemen on the helipad at the Pentagon. The president was supposed to land at the helipad two hours after the impact, and so they had just pulled the foam truck out of the firehouse and were standing there when they looked up and saw the plane coming over the Navy Annex building. They turned and ran, and at the point of impact were partially shielded by their fire truck from the flying debris of shrapnel and flames. They were knocked to the ground by the concussion, were able to get up, go over to the fire truck, and initially they were able to get it started to call for help at Fort Myer. And then they had to put out parts of their uniform--their bunker gear was actually on fire, so the first thing they had to do was put out their own fire truck and their fire equipment and they tried to start the truck and move it, but they discovered that it wouldn't move. They got out and looked, and the whole back of the fire truck had melted.
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The only bit of evidence I want to see is a video of a plane hitting the pentagon! I know there's footage of exactly what happened at the pentagon on 9/11. Probably slowed down enough to see the point of impact of whatever hit the building, but the problem is it was all confiscated... And why wasn't it being shown on the news drilling fear into us on that day?!?! BECAUAE IT WOULD BLOW EVERYTHING IF WE SAW AN AMERICAN CRUISE MISSLE SMASHING INTO THE PENTAGON!!!!! Yeah that would have drilled fear into us, fear of our own fucking government killing its people only for the sake of advancing of their agenda.
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Its cute that you think security cameras that are designed for foot traffic and slow moving vehicles and as such only film at 1 frame per second should show something that fast moving clearly at all.
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It's cute that you think that those are acceptable security cameras. Let alone for the headquarters of the department of defense!! I have better better security cameras watching my community college you bitch! GETT THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU SHILLS!!!
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The Pentagon is primarily an office building. And yes, those ARE acceptable security cameras. They are perfectly adequate for the intended purpose. I guarantee they have more cameras deeper inside the building where the more secured classified areas are. For most of the building though, locked doors, security guards, key cards, IDs and vigilant awareness by those who have access looking out for those that don't are far more effective than any security camera. It's cute that your entire argument is nothing more than an argument from incredulence.
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I'm guarantee there's more cameras deeper inside too, and yes that is where the good stuff is so why wouldn't there be? But I also guarantee there's better cameras surrounding every inch of that building. And if not thats why they confiscated all video from that day from all businesses around there. They didn't want us seeing something and you fucking know it! Why such great footage of the planes flying into the trade centers but not one showing us the planes decline and the impact into the pentagon?
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People post facts about what happened that day - they are called shills.


Other people post disinformation and paranoid speculation utterly lacking hard facts. These people are the ones calling 'shill!' to anyone posting actual verifiable facts.
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Errrrr have you seen where you are. This is a conspiracy site there's no room for rational thought or facts. It's about fuelling fantasies and spreading dribble.

I found this site a week ago I tried to post rational posts but that's not what people want, so now I just troll them.
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No matter what evidence you see your feeble excuse for mind has decided you will not believe it.

I dont care how many so called "witnesses" they say they have. The bottom line is that a jet liner hitting the Pentagon would most defineately been captured on film from one of the many security camera's that were in the area. Since the Goverment has refused to release any footage that clearly shows a jet liner hitting the building I have to believe that they are full of shit and that a cruise missile is what actually hit the Pentagon. This is an inside job and both political parties should be hung.
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The only bit of evidence I want to see is a video of a plane hitting the pentagon! I know there's footage of exactly what happened at the pentagon on 9/11. Probably slowed down enough to see the point of impact of whatever hit the building, but the problem is it was all confiscated... And why wasn't it being shown on the news drilling fear into us on that day?!?! BECAUAE IT WOULD BLOW EVERYTHING IF WE SAW AN AMERICAN CRUISE MISSLE SMASHING INTO THE PENTAGON!!!!! Yeah that would have drilled fear into us, fear of our own fucking government killing its people only for the sake of advancing of their agenda.
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Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and everything is consistent with that.

Body parts were found and plane pieces were identified among much evidence confirming it.

An extensive investigation involving multiple agencies was involved in the investigation. Anyone believing it was a massive hoax has to also belive that literally 1000s of people are 'in on it.'
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what if the 1000's of people in on it were just like you. you know, in the pig/Military with nothing to lose and historically zero accountability. you'd get behind it and keep your snout shut then wouldn't you pigshill
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'what ifs' are all the disinfo agents like have to go on

We live in a world where decisions of truth are made based on the available facts, and not fantasy.
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Its cute that you think security cameras that are designed for foot traffic and slow moving vehicles and as such only film at 1 frame per second should show something that fast moving clearly at all.
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It's cute that you think that those are acceptable security cameras. Let alone for the headquarters of the department of defense!! I have better better security cameras watching my community college you bitch! GETT THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU SHILLS!!!
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The Pentagon is primarily an office building. And yes, those ARE acceptable security cameras. They are perfectly adequate for the intended purpose. I guarantee they have more cameras deeper inside the building where the more secured classified areas are. For most of the building though, locked doors, security guards, key cards, IDs and vigilant awareness by those who have access looking out for those that don't are far more effective than any security camera. It's cute that your entire argument is nothing more than an argument from incredulence.
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I'm guarantee there's more cameras deeper inside too, and yes that is where the good stuff is so why wouldn't there be? But I also guarantee there's better cameras surrounding every inch of that building. And if not thats why they confiscated all video from that day from all businesses around there. They didn't want us seeing something and you fucking know it! Why such great footage of the planes flying into the trade centers but not one showing us the planes decline and the impact into the pentagon?
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The WTC was filmed by the media with far better cameras than security cameras. Again, the security cameras are more than adequate for their intended purpose. There was no media at the Pentagon until after the crash.

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Might aswell get outta here you shills. I hardly post on here but after seeing this thread today I had to. And I'm not going to let you assholes push my posts down with your fake ass eye witness reports. I dont give a fuck about eye witness reports in this situation. I just want to see a video as good as the one of the twin towers. And there is absolutely no reason there isn't one. Businesses all around the pentagon had their security footage taken from them! Why haven't we seen it?!? Huh?!?
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Might aswell get outta here you shills. I hardly post on here but after seeing this thread today I had to. And I'm not going to let you assholes push my posts down with your fake ass eye witness reports. I dont give a fuck about eye witness reports in this situation. I just want to see a video as good as the one of the twin towers. And there is absolutely no reason there isn't one. Businesses all around the pentagon had their security footage taken from them! Why haven't we seen it?!? Huh?!?
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Might aswell get outta here you shills. I hardly post on here but after seeing this thread today I had to. And I'm not going to let you assholes push my posts down with your fake ass eye witness reports. I dont give a fuck about eye witness reports in this situation. I just want to see a video as good as the one of the twin towers. And there is absolutely no reason there isn't one. Businesses all around the pentagon had their security footage taken from them! Why haven't we seen it?!? Huh?!?
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Only the gas station and hotel cameras had a viewpoint to even capture anything and those have been released. As expected they were also slow frame rate and also as expected they were aimed at what they were designed to capture (parking lots/gas pumps) and not at another building so they don't show much.
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The most baffling part of the "Pentagon Plane Theory" is how a fire can completely incinerate 200 tons of titanium steel yet preserve the alleged passenger's dental records (which is how the victim's were apparently identified).

Once the U.S Government answers that question we can begin talking about a plane and not a cruise missile, which many eye-witness accounts from the day suggest.

Also, I recommend that people consider that there were tourists filming the Pentagon at the time of the attack, and this footage will back up what really happened.

Once they found out that the FBI were going around forcibly confiscating all surveillance footage from the surrounding buildings (not to mention reports of certain skeptics showing up dead) these tourists would keep this footage safe and sound and not say a word.

The point is, such footage is probably in the possession of several people.

Whatever happened on that day, the truth will come out eventually. All secrets do.
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Many witnesses of the pentagon bombing know the truth.

The official government conspiracy theory is ridiculous.

As for the man in charge when the money went missing it was DoD Comptroller Dov S. Zakheim.

"Zakheim Seeks To Corral, Reconcile 'Lost' Spending"

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Here you want a video camera of the attack shill boys; here you go.

Tell me more fairy tales how this is a Boeing 757; this should be good :}



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The most baffling part of the "Pentagon Plane Theory" is how a fire can completely incinerate 200 tons of titanium steel yet preserve the alleged passenger's dental records (which is how the victim's were apparently identified).

Once the U.S Government answers that question we can begin talking about a plane and not a cruise missile, which many eye-witness accounts from the day suggest.

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There is very little titanium in a 757. Its mostly aluminum.
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It's cute that you think that those are acceptable security cameras. Let alone for the headquarters of the department of defense!! I have better better security cameras watching my community college you bitch! GETT THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU SHILLS!!!
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The Pentagon is primarily an office building. And yes, those ARE acceptable security cameras. They are perfectly adequate for the intended purpose. I guarantee they have more cameras deeper inside the building where the more secured classified areas are. For most of the building though, locked doors, security guards, key cards, IDs and vigilant awareness by those who have access looking out for those that don't are far more effective than any security camera. It's cute that your entire argument is nothing more than an argument from incredulence.
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I'm guarantee there's more cameras deeper inside too, and yes that is where the good stuff is so why wouldn't there be? But I also guarantee there's better cameras surrounding every inch of that building. And if not thats why they confiscated all video from that day from all businesses around there. They didn't want us seeing something and you fucking know it! Why such great footage of the planes flying into the trade centers but not one showing us the planes decline and the impact into the pentagon?
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The WTC was filmed by the media with far better cameras than security cameras. Again, the security cameras are more than adequate for their intended purpose. There was no media at the Pentagon until after the crash.
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Honestly just quit, weasel... You know nobody gives a flying fuck about what you have to say. So even if the pentagon only had shitty cameras... Where's all the footage they confiscated from the local businesses? Come on man how can you not see the fishyness around all of this???
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You've got to throw out witness testimony in the absence of clear and conclusive video footage (which exists but has been withheld from the public). Ignore the witness testimony. Go to the pure science. Could a plane have hit the Pentagon in the manner the witnesses describe? Is it possible for a 737 to fly 400mph 50-25 feet off the ground? That's the number one question and from what I've seen of the science, it's impossible. There would be too much ground turbulence. The plane could not have held its course.
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The most baffling part of the "Pentagon Plane Theory" is how a fire can completely incinerate 200 tons of titanium steel yet preserve the alleged passenger's dental records (which is how the victim's were apparently identified).

Once the U.S Government answers that question we can begin talking about a plane and not a cruise missile, which many eye-witness accounts from the day suggest.

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There is very little titanium in a 757. Its mostly aluminum.
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Can the same fire incinerate an entire Boeing 757 including the black box yet preserve human dental records?
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You've got to throw out witness testimony in the absence of clear and conclusive video footage (which exists but has been withheld from the public). Ignore the witness testimony.
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That really is the only question that should be asked in the absence of all the footage citizens are demanding.

Because it can either verify or debunk the plane theory.
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You've got to throw out witness testimony in the absence of clear and conclusive video footage (which exists but has been withheld from the public). Ignore the witness testimony.
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he didnt get the memo in time for the press release
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The Pentagon is primarily an office building. And yes, those ARE acceptable security cameras. They are perfectly adequate for the intended purpose. I guarantee they have more cameras deeper inside the building where the more secured classified areas are. For most of the building though, locked doors, security guards, key cards, IDs and vigilant awareness by those who have access looking out for those that don't are far more effective than any security camera. It's cute that your entire argument is nothing more than an argument from incredulence.
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I'm guarantee there's more cameras deeper inside too, and yes that is where the good stuff is so why wouldn't there be? But I also guarantee there's better cameras surrounding every inch of that building. And if not thats why they confiscated all video from that day from all businesses around there. They didn't want us seeing something and you fucking know it! Why such great footage of the planes flying into the trade centers but not one showing us the planes decline and the impact into the pentagon?
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The WTC was filmed by the media with far better cameras than security cameras. Again, the security cameras are more than adequate for their intended purpose. There was no media at the Pentagon until after the crash.
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Honestly just quit, weasel... You know nobody gives a flying fuck about what you have to say. So even if the pentagon only had shitty cameras... Where's all the footage they confiscated from the local businesses? Come on man how can you not see the fishyness around all of this???
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Again, only the gas station and hotel cameras had a viewpoint to see the impact site. Those HAVE been released. You want more? Then do the FOIA requests. AFAIK the only reason more footage has not been released is the FOIA requests have not been completed. People love to complain about the lack of footage but very few actually do anything about it.
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Re: Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)
You've got to throw out witness testimony in the absence of clear and conclusive video footage (which exists but has been withheld from the public). Ignore the witness testimony. Go to the pure science. Could a plane have hit the Pentagon in the manner the witnesses describe? Is it possible for a 737 to fly 400mph 50-25 feet off the ground? That's the number one question and from what I've seen of the science, it's impossible. There would be too much ground turbulence. The plane could not have held its course.
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Prove the bolded part. I'll bet you can't. I assume you meant ground effect (which is itself a kind of turbulence). Ground effect is greatest at LOW speeds and high angles of attack. The approach to the Pentagon was at high speed and a low or negative angle of attack. Ground effect is negligible in those conditions.
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Re: Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)
Might aswell get outta here you shills. I hardly post on here but after seeing this thread today I had to. And I'm not going to let you assholes push my posts down with your fake ass eye witness reports. I dont give a fuck about eye witness reports in this situation. I just want to see a video as good as the one of the twin towers. And there is absolutely no reason there isn't one. Businesses all around the pentagon had their security footage taken from them! Why haven't we seen it?!? Huh?!?
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Only the gas station and hotel cameras had a viewpoint to even capture anything and those have been released. As expected they were also slow frame rate and also as expected they were aimed at what they were designed to capture (parking lots/gas pumps) and not at another building so they don't show much.
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You have your responses all planned out dont you? I'm sure it's been said over and over for the past 12 years by shills just like you. If I was naive I would believe what you just said but I don't. I honestly don't care about you fucking shills, I don't know why I'm fighting with you either. I know in my heart that more happened than what we were told and that's all that matters.
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Re: Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)
Might aswell get outta here you shills. I hardly post on here but after seeing this thread today I had to. And I'm not going to let you assholes push my posts down with your fake ass eye witness reports. I dont give a fuck about eye witness reports in this situation. I just want to see a video as good as the one of the twin towers. And there is absolutely no reason there isn't one. Businesses all around the pentagon had their security footage taken from them! Why haven't we seen it?!? Huh?!?
 Quoting: ZedLeppelin


Only the gas station and hotel cameras had a viewpoint to even capture anything and those have been released. As expected they were also slow frame rate and also as expected they were aimed at what they were designed to capture (parking lots/gas pumps) and not at another building so they don't show much.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


You have your responses all planned out dont you? I'm sure it's been said over and over for the past 12 years by shills just like you. If I was naive I would believe what you just said but I don't. I honestly don't care about you fucking shills, I don't know why I'm fighting with you either. I know in my heart that more happened than what we were told and that's all that matters.
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Re: Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)
Just like the Ryder truck didn't cause all the damage in the OKC bombing a plane didn't hit the Pentagon. Nice undamaged lawn and trees all surrounding the area.
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Re: Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)
Ok, I'll put it this way.

Putting aside whether a plane or a missile hit the Pentagon...

Putting aside what footage is or is not available...

Putting aside what witnesses said what....

The question is: what kind of fire can incinerate an entire Boeing 757 consisting of 100 tons of metal (including engines, wings and tail section) yet preserve human dental records?
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Re: Rare Pentagon Footage From 911 (Couldnt believe it was a Plane)
[link to www.pentagonstrike.co.uk]

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