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### Elisa Lam - the elevator - video - discussion - thread ! ###

 
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### Elisa Lam - the elevator - video - discussion - thread ! ###
well,
pretty much for _my own_ convenience,
a thread for all elevator-video-related discussions.

...feel free to go crazy !

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[link to www.youtube.com]

long version:
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On the long version. Towards the end theelevator door opens and closes. On the last opening at 3:40 what looked like dark windows oppisite the door is now orange?

N E one else notice this or have an answer?
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So i checked video in Avidemux and not found any subliminal things. But some gluing.

00:14.929 frame 224- frame 225 100% glued
Important! Frame 224 00:14.900 timelapse,surveillense cam supposed to be at 11:18.. Elevator works well, door actually starts to close, than montage, frame 225 seems to be a 11:77.. on surveillanse cam timer. Door opens, end of montage.


02:22.895 frames 2144-2145 maybe glued
02:44.956 frames 2474-2475 maybe glued

Surveillense cam timer stops 3 times in video, it is inserted fake duplicated frames at:

02:54:553 (frame 2620) - 02:55.219 (frame 2629) fake 9 frames, half second, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:55.886 f2639 - 02:56.686 f2651 fake 11 frames, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:57.019 f2656 - 02:57.952 f2670 same situation
Then door starts to close, no fake frames.
So if 3 guys bypass door, it was quick march at 2-4 meters persec
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El=god
God is a lamb
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So i checked video in Avidemux and not found any subliminal things. But some gluing.

00:14.929 frame 224- frame 225 100% glued
Important! Frame 224 00:14.900 timelapse,surveillense cam supposed to be at 11:18.. Elevator works well, door actually starts to close, than montage, frame 225 seems to be a 11:77.. on surveillanse cam timer. Door opens, end of montage.


02:22.895 frames 2144-2145 maybe glued
02:44.956 frames 2474-2475 maybe glued

Surveillense cam timer stops 3 times in video, it is inserted fake duplicated frames at:

02:54:553 (frame 2620) - 02:55.219 (frame 2629) fake 9 frames, half second, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:55.886 f2639 - 02:56.686 f2651 fake 11 frames, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:57.019 f2656 - 02:57.952 f2670 same situation
Then door starts to close, no fake frames.
So if 3 guys bypass door, it was quick march at 2-4 meters persec
 Quoting: arkadiy


wow, thank you for analyzing it !
so 3 somebodys may have entered in that elevator according to the fake frames.
would explain the shadows people see in that video?

btw, shadows: as i can´t watch the vid, can you watch out for shadows on the floor? from the girl or someone else? do they behave naturally?
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Arkadiy,

is there any chance you can get information about time/date out of this video?

for sure, it has a time/date stamp somewhere..
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So i checked video in Avidemux and not found any subliminal things. But some gluing.

00:14.929 frame 224- frame 225 100% glued
Important! Frame 224 00:14.900 timelapse,surveillense cam supposed to be at 11:18.. Elevator works well, door actually starts to close, than montage, frame 225 seems to be a 11:77.. on surveillanse cam timer. Door opens, end of montage.


02:22.895 frames 2144-2145 maybe glued
02:44.956 frames 2474-2475 maybe glued

Surveillense cam timer stops 3 times in video, it is inserted fake duplicated frames at:

02:54:553 (frame 2620) - 02:55.219 (frame 2629) fake 9 frames, half second, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:55.886 f2639 - 02:56.686 f2651 fake 11 frames, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:57.019 f2656 - 02:57.952 f2670 same situation
Then door starts to close, no fake frames.
So if 3 guys bypass door, it was quick march at 2-4 meters persec
 Quoting: arkadiy


wow, thank you for analyzing it !
so 3 somebodys may have entered in that elevator according to the fake frames.
would explain the shadows people see in that video?

btw, shadows: as i can´t watch the vid, can you watch out for shadows on the floor? from the girl or someone else? do they behave naturally?
 Quoting: phoenixe


Too bad quality of video to discuss shadows. I believe that quality is special for public not to notice surveillence cam timer magic.
BTW, no subliminals, but it has actually very creepy frames, where girls face looks like a wax mask, with no eyes, only black holes. But all strange gesturing part doesnt seems to be edit someway.
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No time stamp findings anyone?
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Arkadiy,

is there any chance you can get information about time/date out of this video?

for sure, it has a time/date stamp somewhere..
 Quoting: phoenixe


Yes, in left corner is name of the cam, date, time hour:minute:sec:milisec

Seems to be AXIS cam, but I need screen from such cam in good quality, to compare fonts.
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On the long version. Towards the end theelevator door opens and closes. On the last opening at 3:40 what looked like dark windows oppisite the door is now orange?

N E one else notice this or have an answer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35061223


I've noticed this too.Someone said wall,but to me it looks like the same windows with somthing orange behind them.idk
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There is a dark figure, looks like it's wearing a hooded cloak by the controls in the elevator, there is something there it looks like. Also looks like the elevator wasn't working, and she was hiding from something then it looks like she is communicating with someone.
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I hope someone will find out about the editing of this.
Again, who would have access?
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Then lets blow your mind some more.

Dark Water, 2002, Japan; watch?v=KlkL2zpb-Q0

51 minute mark: elevator scene to roof with girl near water tank on roof

52 min, 38 sec, inside elevator

1 hour, 17 min, another elevator scene

Story is about a dead girl in the hotel water tank.
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On the long version. Towards the end theelevator door opens and closes. On the last opening at 3:40 what looked like dark windows oppisite the door is now orange?

N E one else notice this or have an answer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35061223


I've noticed this too.Someone said wall,but to me it looks like the same windows with somthing orange behind them.idk
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


different floor / window at the same place / someone closed the curtain?
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Looks like she could have been either getting away from so eons or the elevator wasn't working she called for help on the call button, and the elevator guy in charge was the one who harmed her, maybe he said he couldn't get it to work and that's who she was talking to.
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Remote viewer of Lams death

[link to chelseadamali.wordpress.com]

Once again, no substances, no trauma. I do not see that she was killed ahead of time, before hitting the water. I do see that she was coerced in. Whether that be by someone ďALIVEĒ or someone from the other side, the coercer was playing on the same team as what she was running from. NOWÖ interestingly enough, here is something to consider. I see something stuck NOT IN HER THROAT, but itís in her windpipe, itís a piece of paper or something similar that she stuffed in her mouth before going in, or was put there, but I believe while possibly gasping for air, sucked it all the way down. Itís lodged in her windpipe, past her epiglottis, and if unfolded or uncrumpled, appears to have something written on it. If this has pertinent information on the case, then great. Iím not saying it does. Much of her final hours were spent doing off the wall things that will not make sense to many of us anyway. That could be just one of those things.
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On the long version. Towards the end theelevator door opens and closes. On the last opening at 3:40 what looked like dark windows oppisite the door is now orange?

N E one else notice this or have an answer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35061223


I've noticed this too.Someone said wall,but to me it looks like the same windows with somthing orange behind them.idk
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


different floor / window at the same place / someone closed the curtain?
 Quoting: phoenixe


its on outside because you can see that crossbar that goes east and west on window structure
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another question..
does anyone know, where this video originated?
where it was first shown?
who gave it to media/internet for us to watch?


@arkadaiy:
do you think this is in fact a real surveillence cam video?

could someone just tape their own homecam at places a surveillence cam would be and alter it afterwards?



my thought:
some (asian)tourists were visiting there, stayed in the hotel and thought it might be funny to take a dark-water-style video for fun&giggles.
back at home, they cut it.
meaning: this video was filmed in the Celia hotel, but another time, date and shows another person.


to the one who talked about a grey hoodied person at the panels - does it look like this one ?

[link to sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net]
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High school classmate Alex Ristea, of Vancouver, called Lam's death shocking and said she was one of the friendliest people he knew.

"This is the last person I expect out of all my friends to have something like this happen to her," Ristea said.

University of British Columbia spokesman Randy Schmidt confirmed that Lam had attended summer school at the university, but she was not registered for the current session.

Ristea said he believes Lam had just gone to California for a holiday, saying she had posted pictures on Facebook from tourist locations such as the San Diego Zoo.

Reached by phone, a man who confirmed that it was Lam's home of said he was busy and hung up when asked to speak about her. A woman reached later at the same number, when told it was a reporter calling, also hung up after saying, "Sorry."

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
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Looks like she could have been either getting away from so eons or the elevator wasn't working she called for help on the call button, and the elevator guy in charge was the one who harmed her, maybe he said he couldn't get it to work and that's who she was talking to.
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That sounds plausible. And it's guaranteed the cops spoke with whoever is responsible for security and the elevators in that building.
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Cecil Hotel's dark history

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another question..
does anyone know, where this video originated?
where it was first shown?
who gave it to media/internet for us to watch?


@arkadaiy:
do you think this is in fact a real surveillence cam video?

could someone just tape their own homecam at places a surveillence cam would be and alter it afterwards?



my thought:
some (asian)tourists were visiting there, stayed in the hotel and thought it might be funny to take a dark-water-style video for fun&giggles.
back at home, they cut it.
meaning: this video was filmed in the Celia hotel, but another time, date and shows another person.


to the one who talked about a grey hoodied person at the panels - does it look like this one ?

[link to sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net]
 Quoting: phoenixe


Holy crap!
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This poor girl is obviously on some sort of drug or she may have been drinking. Her movements show that to be evident. Someone could have been following her or she could be hallucinating. Some creep sees a young woman who is obviously inebriated and follows her in order to take advantage of her.

The thing with the elevator is that there is usually a button that says "door open". She could have pressed that button to keep the door from closing. He behavior is strange. If there is someone there then why leave the elevatorand look for him? Why does she get out and make all the strange movements. At first it seems she does not see anyone there and then she acts like she is talking to someone.

Surely someone at the hotel could explain how the elevator works or if it was not working properly. I do not see how someone could control it remotely in such a quick manner so I would think it was her that hit the door open button.

I do not care what the remote viewer says. She is obviously inebriated or on some sort of drug.
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This poor girl is obviously on some sort of drug or she may have been drinking. Her movements show that to be evident. Someone could have been following her or she could be hallucinating. Some creep sees a young woman who is obviously inebriated and follows her in order to take advantage of her.

The thing with the elevator is that there is usually a button that says "door open". She could have pressed that button to keep the door from closing. He behavior is strange. If there is someone there then why leave the elevatorand look for him? Why does she get out and make all the strange movements. At first it seems she does not see anyone there and then she acts like she is talking to someone.

Surely someone at the hotel could explain how the elevator works or if it was not working properly. I do not see how someone could control it remotely in such a quick manner so I would think it was her that hit the door open button.

I do not care what the remote viewer says. She is obviously inebriated or on some sort of drug.
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Or maybe there was someone there we just can't see it? You can clearly see something black that is in the video inside the elevator by the control panels, just look, it looks like it is wearing a hood, it's a figure.
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This poor girl is obviously on some sort of drug or she may have been drinking. Her movements show that to be evident. Someone could have been following her or she could be hallucinating. Some creep sees a young woman who is obviously inebriated and follows her in order to take advantage of her.

The thing with the elevator is that there is usually a button that says "door open". She could have pressed that button to keep the door from closing. He behavior is strange. If there is someone there then why leave the elevatorand look for him? Why does she get out and make all the strange movements. At first it seems she does not see anyone there and then she acts like she is talking to someone.

Surely someone at the hotel could explain how the elevator works or if it was not working properly. I do not see how someone could control it remotely in such a quick manner so I would think it was her that hit the door open button.

I do not care what the remote viewer says. She is obviously inebriated or on some sort of drug.
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I dont see drunk or drugs. Her movements would be slower and not as sharp as they are...however i do see anxious and playful almost...could be the damn spirits..that shits real
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This poor girl is obviously on some sort of drug or she may have been drinking. Her movements show that to be evident. Someone could have been following her or she could be hallucinating. Some creep sees a young woman who is obviously inebriated and follows her in order to take advantage of her.

The thing with the elevator is that there is usually a button that says "door open". She could have pressed that button to keep the door from closing. He behavior is strange. If there is someone there then why leave the elevatorand look for him? Why does she get out and make all the strange movements. At first it seems she does not see anyone there and then she acts like she is talking to someone.

Surely someone at the hotel could explain how the elevator works or if it was not working properly. I do not see how someone could control it remotely in such a quick manner so I would think it was her that hit the door open button.

I do not care what the remote viewer says. She is obviously inebriated or on some sort of drug.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34760435


Or maybe there was someone there we just can't see it? You can clearly see something black that is in the video inside the elevator by the control panels, just look, it looks like it is wearing a hood, it's a figure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25788477


i said on OP first thread at start of it that i thought i saw shit...but is poor cam but idk if would have mass spots where pixel is gone like I see in that video
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This poor girl is obviously on some sort of drug or she may have been drinking. Her movements show that to be evident. Someone could have been following her or she could be hallucinating. Some creep sees a young woman who is obviously inebriated and follows her in order to take advantage of her.

The thing with the elevator is that there is usually a button that says "door open". She could have pressed that button to keep the door from closing. He behavior is strange. If there is someone there then why leave the elevatorand look for him? Why does she get out and make all the strange movements. At first it seems she does not see anyone there and then she acts like she is talking to someone.

Surely someone at the hotel could explain how the elevator works or if it was not working properly. I do not see how someone could control it remotely in such a quick manner so I would think it was her that hit the door open button.

I do not care what the remote viewer says. She is obviously inebriated or on some sort of drug.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34760435


I dont see drunk or drugs. Her movements would be slower and not as sharp as they are...however i do see anxious and playful almost...could be the damn spirits..that shits real
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


Yes, that's what it looks like to me too, exactly., but the black figure by the panel look at that.
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So i checked video in Avidemux and not found any subliminal things. But some gluing.

00:14.929 frame 224- frame 225 100% glued
Important! Frame 224 00:14.900 timelapse,surveillense cam supposed to be at 11:18.. Elevator works well, door actually starts to close, than montage, frame 225 seems to be a 11:77.. on surveillanse cam timer. Door opens, end of montage.


02:22.895 frames 2144-2145 maybe glued
02:44.956 frames 2474-2475 maybe glued

Surveillense cam timer stops 3 times in video, it is inserted fake duplicated frames at:

02:54:553 (frame 2620) - 02:55.219 (frame 2629) fake 9 frames, half second, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:55.886 f2639 - 02:56.686 f2651 fake 11 frames, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:57.019 f2656 - 02:57.952 f2670 same situation
Then door starts to close, no fake frames.
So if 3 guys bypass door, it was quick march at 2-4 meters persec
 Quoting: arkadiy


wow, thank you for analyzing it !
so 3 somebodys may have entered in that elevator according to the fake frames.
would explain the shadows people see in that video?

btw, shadows: as i can´t watch the vid, can you watch out for shadows on the floor? from the girl or someone else? do they behave naturally?
 Quoting: phoenixe


Too bad quality of video to discuss shadows. I believe that quality is special for public not to notice surveillence cam timer magic.
BTW, no subliminals, but it has actually very creepy frames, where girls face looks like a wax mask, with no eyes, only black holes. But all strange gesturing part doesnt seems to be edit someway.
 Quoting: arkadiy


Do you believe she was already dead at this point? The face, the black holes for eyes etc

Many are saying she was 'zombie' before she was put into the water tank.
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another question..
does anyone know, where this video originated?
where it was first shown?
who gave it to media/internet for us to watch?


@arkadaiy:
do you think this is in fact a real surveillence cam video?

could someone just tape their own homecam at places a surveillence cam would be and alter it afterwards?



my thought:
some (asian)tourists were visiting there, stayed in the hotel and thought it might be funny to take a dark-water-style video for fun&giggles.
back at home, they cut it.
meaning: this video was filmed in the Celia hotel, but another time, date and shows another person.


Its is a real surveillance cam because of matrix "adaptation" effect. Notice, when its less light, camera adaptates to it, thats for security reason.
Actually you need a video registrator, and battery, for filming that type of stuff, and of course, a ledder.

Besides, Chinese likes to play with elevator: [link to www.youtube.com]
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Do you believe she was already dead at this point? The face, the black holes for eyes etc

Many are saying she was 'zombie' before she was put into the water tank.
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No, I write this only to scare phoenixe ;) She refuses to watch video.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25788477


Or maybe there was someone there we just can't see it? You can clearly see something black that is in the video inside the elevator by the control panels, just look, it looks like it is wearing a hood, it's a figure.


..which would lead back to the theory about the "invisible man" we made and found hints to in my other thread.

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