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### Elisa Lam - the elevator - video - discussion - thread ! ###

 
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Ok , looked at it again, it looks like she was playing the game hide and seek, when she goes back in the ekevator her hands go up like, what did I just see? Then when she steps out again she moves her hands through something like , are you real? Then you can see her count on her fingers , like , one, two, three, ready or not here I come.
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Hide and seek gone wrong, maybe???
 Quoting: Perfectly Paleo


naked ? in a water tank ? no cloths mentioned ?
no dogs smelled her up the roof?
 Quoting: phoenixe


what about the theory someone mentioned about her being told that the tanks were a good place for isolation (isolation tank) and sensory deprivation??
 Quoting: Perfectly Paleo


i heard about that, i even posted a link to that kind of treatment. but.. really? would you, as a girl alone in a city like LA, staying in a creepy hotel like that consider "oh, i´ll climb up to the roof, maybe there is a water tank, then jump in that tank and try to get better" ?

besides that: no dogs did smell "her". so she did not go up there on her own feet.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!
LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version
 Quoting: arkadiy


first appearence Feb 13 !?

you sure? this video?

she was found later...
 Quoting: phoenixe


omg.

update 14.2.
first upload 13.2.

video on this channel before body was found !?


youtube-time-glitch?

or just another "coincidence" ?

and nice pixelation of the time/date.
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At the end it looks like some had her by the arms and was leading her away. It could be someone drugged her intending to take advantage of her. If you allow some rampant speculation I would suggest 2 people were involved in commiting this crime one who worked for the hotel who could stop the elevator and get to the roof.
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Alex Ristea Vancouver

Evacuate rivers on LAX?
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At the end it looks like some had her by the arms and was leading her away. It could be someone drugged her intending to take advantage of her. If you allow some rampant speculation I would suggest 2 people were involved in commiting this crime one who worked for the hotel who could stop the elevator and get to the roof.
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not rampant, i do think the same, at least 2 involved.
if the girl in the video is EL.
which i doubt somehow.

and i don´t understand why they mask the date/time stamp in the vid.

what´s your opinion that this vid obviously was posted on a youtube channel before her body was found?
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Alex Ristea Vancouver

Evacuate rivers on LAX?
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nice anagram.
does it make sense to evacuate a river via the airport?
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How do we know this happened the way we are told?

Is there a person called Elisa Lam?

Have we seen her dead body?

Think about Sandy Hook and all the lies..

All these "facts" about 666 on google map , the company with the symbol, all the referenses to Dark Waters...

It all could be one more orchestrated Sand Hook. Where they leave all these bizare mysteries lying around.

Someone is trying to turn our "reality" into a horror movie. Where there are no boundries between reality and fiction. Hollywood, MSM and CIA merged together..
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Then lets blow your mind some more.

Dark Water, 2002, Japan; watch?v=KlkL2zpb-Q0

51 minute mark: elevator scene to roof with girl near water tank on roof

52 min, 38 sec, inside elevator

1 hour, 17 min, another elevator scene

Story is about a dead girl in the hotel water tank.
 Quoting: strikeforce


not to mention the girl in the movie Dark water was called

Cecilia

hiding
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So i checked video in Avidemux and not found any subliminal things. But some gluing.

00:14.929 frame 224- frame 225 100% glued
Important! Frame 224 00:14.900 timelapse,surveillense cam supposed to be at 11:18.. Elevator works well, door actually starts to close, than montage, frame 225 seems to be a 11:77.. on surveillanse cam timer. Door opens, end of montage.


02:22.895 frames 2144-2145 maybe glued
02:44.956 frames 2474-2475 maybe glued

Surveillense cam timer stops 3 times in video, it is inserted fake duplicated frames at:

02:54:553 (frame 2620) - 02:55.219 (frame 2629) fake 9 frames, half second, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:55.886 f2639 - 02:56.686 f2651 fake 11 frames, enough for somebody to bypass door
02:57.019 f2656 - 02:57.952 f2670 same situation
Then door starts to close, no fake frames.
So if 3 guys bypass door, it was quick march at 2-4 meters persec
 Quoting: arkadiy


wow, thank you for analyzing it !
so 3 somebodys may have entered in that elevator according to the fake frames.
would explain the shadows people see in that video?

btw, shadows: as i can´t watch the vid, can you watch out for shadows on the floor? from the girl or someone else? do they behave naturally?
 Quoting: phoenixe


Too bad quality of video to discuss shadows. I believe that quality is special for public not to notice surveillence cam timer magic.
BTW, no subliminals, but it has actually very creepy frames, where girls face looks like a wax mask, with no eyes, only black holes. But all strange gesturing part doesnt seems to be edit someway.
 Quoting: arkadiy


Do you believe she was already dead at this point? The face, the black holes for eyes etc

Many are saying she was 'zombie' before she was put into the water tank.
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first post i made on a thread about this,all i put was Zombie Water!!!this is the craziest shit
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At the end it looks like some had her by the arms and was leading her away. It could be someone drugged her intending to take advantage of her. If you allow some rampant speculation I would suggest 2 people were involved in commiting this crime one who worked for the hotel who could stop the elevator and get to the roof.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1733349


not rampant, i do think the same, at least 2 involved.
if the girl in the video is EL.
which i doubt somehow.

and i don´t understand why they mask the date/time stamp in the vid.

what´s your opinion that this vid obviously was posted on a youtube channel before her body was found?
 Quoting: phoenixe


Could be someone at the hotel trying to cover it up I read that it takes a manager to open the stair that lead to the roof if that's true it could be that said manager edited the video and realesed it in an attempt to deflect attention
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Re: ### Elisa Lam - the elevator - video - discussion - thread ! ###
what about that ?
video in internet before body was found?

it´s a "fact", everyone can see if one clicks the lapd link.

LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version
 Quoting: arkadiy

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no thats the one I posted earlier thats the remote viewer there is a ghost show that went to cecil hotel and the psychic was talking about the murders there and mentions she sees a woman in her young 20s being killed I saw it on another thread and theres like 500 on this subject cant find it
 Quoting: KITKAT123


it´s the same psychic doing that show!
 Quoting: phoenixe


It doesn't take a physic to figure out she was playing a game, hide and seek with something small in stature, that we can't see. Watch the video from that prospective, you will see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25788477


yep...somethings definently up...to me you could tell she knew exactly what shes doing either on her own or forced. I do think somethings there,either edited out,spirit,or that damn invisible cloak shit if its connected!Great Mystery!!

Also, I saw Phoen say that looked small like child...evil spirits are notorious for appearing as child. Look at like that also and thats exactly what it looks like...so many possibilities and theorys...Hey Phoenixe............damned

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thats just crazy. the elevator opens and 2-3 seconds later she walks in, only to have the elevator COMPLETELY MALFUNCTION. at 12 seconds its like whoever is causing this is toying with her. I don't get it. this has been done by some people who are clearly psychopaths.. sad
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has anyone figured out the orange at around 3:25 mark? is it something on ground level outside window?
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thats just crazy. the elevator opens and 2-3 seconds later she walks in, only to have the elevator COMPLETELY MALFUNCTION. at 12 seconds its like whoever is causing this is toying with her. I don't get it. this has been done by some people who are clearly psychopaths.. sad
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dead phychopths even maybe!creepy shit
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thats just crazy. the elevator opens and 2-3 seconds later she walks in, only to have the elevator COMPLETELY MALFUNCTION. at 12 seconds its like whoever is causing this is toying with her. I don't get it. this has been done by some people who are clearly psychopaths.. sad
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23318413


dead phychopths even maybe!creepy shit
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


her whole demeanor after exiting then coming back in at 1:29 to me seems like shes been scared shit less, perhaps to the point of a momentary questioning her own sanity? we can only speculate but man am I intrigued
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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version

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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version

 Quoting: arkadiy

 Quoting: phoenixe


sorry, I find it very very suspicious!! thank you for the thread and the others you have made germany
could it be she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? ugh it's so frustrating trying to piece together this info verysad
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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version

 Quoting: arkadiy

 Quoting: phoenixe


if she was rerported missing befor that date i dont really
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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version

 Quoting: arkadiy

 Quoting: phoenixe


if she was rerported missing befor that date i dont really
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


but without any description like "hey, this girl is missing, anyone knows something?"

and why does lapd just have a link on their page to some private youtube page ?

and why is the time/date in that video pixelated ???
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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version

 Quoting: arkadiy

 Quoting: phoenixe


if she was rerported missing befor that date i dont really
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


but without any description like "hey, this girl is missing, anyone knows something?"

and why does lapd just have a link on their page to some private youtube page ?

and why is the time/date in that video pixelated ???
 Quoting: phoenixe


well since you put it like that,yeah i find it suspicious!lol
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I guess you could assume if you have TOTAL access to the elevators, because this is what it seems, you would have access to information on all guests at the hotel. Never in my 22 years of life have i been to a elevator and it just DOESNT work, and I've been on a lot of elevators. WHY HER? why in the manner it was conducted? to STALK and kill a woman is a thought that would NEVER cross my mind or anyone I associate with, but to go to these lengths? something is FUCKED up here
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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version

 Quoting: arkadiy

 Quoting: phoenixe


sorry, I find it very very suspicious!! thank you for the thread and the others you have made germany
could it be she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? ugh it's so frustrating trying to piece together this info verysad
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thank you for sharing your opinion. what do you think about this case, what happend?
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I guess you could assume if you have TOTAL access to the elevators, because this is what it seems, you would have access to information on all guests at the hotel. Never in my 22 years of life have i been to a elevator and it just DOESNT work, and I've been on a lot of elevators. WHY HER? why in the manner it was conducted? to STALK and kill a woman is a thought that would NEVER cross my mind or anyone I associate with, but to go to these lengths? something is FUCKED up here
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yeah but if stalked how did they even get it not to work?crazy
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ok start at 1:55 her head jerks towards the elevator as if she has just been slapped hard..
at around 2:07 looks like someone has her wrist and she is trying to wrestle her arm away, then gives up, arm goes limp, then makes a wide turn away from the elevator-not a natural movement, but as if someone is forcing her...
It looks like the hand gestures- to me at least- seems to be her trying to find the elevator after getting the blow to the head
Spinning on the Pause...Rewind
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I guess you could assume if you have TOTAL access to the elevators, because this is what it seems, you would have access to information on all guests at the hotel. Never in my 22 years of life have i been to a elevator and it just DOESNT work, and I've been on a lot of elevators. WHY HER? why in the manner it was conducted? to STALK and kill a woman is a thought that would NEVER cross my mind or anyone I associate with, but to go to these lengths? something is FUCKED up here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23318413


mmh... what do you mean by "total access to the elevators"? how does one have access to information on all guests then?
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ok start at 1:55 her head jerks towards the elevator as if she has just been slapped hard..
at around 2:07 looks like someone has her wrist and she is trying to wrestle her arm away, then gives up, arm goes limp, then makes a wide turn away from the elevator-not a natural movement, but as if someone is forcing her...
It looks like the hand gestures- to me at least- seems to be her trying to find the elevator after getting the blow to the head
 Quoting: Shurrie


so she gets attacked by a "ghost" and wrestles with it?

do you think this is EL in that video?

maybe it is another asian girl acting like in "dark water" for fun?
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I guess you could assume if you have TOTAL access to the elevators, because this is what it seems, you would have access to information on all guests at the hotel. Never in my 22 years of life have i been to a elevator and it just DOESNT work, and I've been on a lot of elevators. WHY HER? why in the manner it was conducted? to STALK and kill a woman is a thought that would NEVER cross my mind or anyone I associate with, but to go to these lengths? something is FUCKED up here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23318413


yeah but if stalked how did they even get it not to work?crazy
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


obviously I have laid out a lot of questions here hahaha :P
My implications are that there is someone on the 'inside' (employee; a 'higher up'?) behind this. I mean, how could you stop the elevators from working in real-time? The process of hacking the elevator control module/security cams seem like such a tedious feet, way too tedious for your average joe-blow MURDERER.
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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



LAPD lihks to cutted video on strange MrFrank channel: [link to www.lapdonline.org]
But why not to official LAPD Youtube account?

Thats first appearence on 13 feb : [link to www.youtube.com] full version

So LAPD seems to cut suspicious 2:56- timelapse and pushing short version

 Quoting: arkadiy

 Quoting: phoenixe


if she was rerported missing befor that date i dont really
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


but without any description like "hey, this girl is missing, anyone knows something?"

and why does lapd just have a link on their page to some private youtube page ?

and why is the time/date in that video pixelated ???
 Quoting: phoenixe



She was missing - they did post articles with the video on the 13th in several news medias.

Here is one for example: [link to www.rafu.com]
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I guess you could assume if you have TOTAL access to the elevators, because this is what it seems, you would have access to information on all guests at the hotel. Never in my 22 years of life have i been to a elevator and it just DOESNT work, and I've been on a lot of elevators. WHY HER? why in the manner it was conducted? to STALK and kill a woman is a thought that would NEVER cross my mind or anyone I associate with, but to go to these lengths? something is FUCKED up here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23318413


mmh... what do you mean by "total access to the elevators"? how does one have access to information on all guests then?
 Quoting: phoenixe


it seems to me by the video that the elevators conveniently stop working when she gets on. the EXACT moment when she wants nothing more in life than to flee this place. And what a big coincidence this SAME girl is found in the water tank of the hotel? no matter what time-line of events you can conceive, and my guess is the possibilities are all over the place, it is MY opinion she was targeted and someone with the know-how did this. If you have made the decision in your heart that it is some how okay to kill someone, because that's where the decision lies, You don't just suddenly say hey I'm going to kill someone in a hotel, fuck with the elevators and then throw her naked lifeless body in a water tank. there has to be an established plan of action, then you find the target

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