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### Elisa Lam - the elevator - video - discussion - thread ! ###

 
phoenixe (OP)

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...no one find it suspicious that the video was postet earlier than her body was found ?



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 Quoting: phoenixe


if she was rerported missing befor that date i dont really
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


but without any description like "hey, this girl is missing, anyone knows something?"

and why does lapd just have a link on their page to some private youtube page ?

and why is the time/date in that video pixelated ???
 Quoting: phoenixe



She was missing - they did post articles with the video on the 13th in several news medias.

Here is one for example: [link to www.rafu.com]
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ah, i see ! thank you.

but does it make sense to pixel time/date of the video? and not say when it was taken?
(despite being altered as arkadiy already found out)?

so.. if that is really the girl missing on that video (i have a little doubt, her chin/teeth look different..), the hotel hides very much from the public in this case!
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I guess you could assume if you have TOTAL access to the elevators, because this is what it seems, you would have access to information on all guests at the hotel. Never in my 22 years of life have i been to a elevator and it just DOESNT work, and I've been on a lot of elevators. WHY HER? why in the manner it was conducted? to STALK and kill a woman is a thought that would NEVER cross my mind or anyone I associate with, but to go to these lengths? something is FUCKED up here
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mmh... what do you mean by "total access to the elevators"? how does one have access to information on all guests then?
 Quoting: phoenixe


it seems to me by the video that the elevators conveniently stop working when she gets on. the EXACT moment when she wants nothing more in life than to flee this place. And what a big coincidence this SAME girl is found in the water tank of the hotel? no matter what time-line of events you can conceive, and my guess is the possibilities are all over the place, it is MY opinion she was targeted and someone with the know-how did this. If you have made the decision in your heart that it is some how okay to kill someone, because that's where the decision lies, You don't just suddenly say hey I'm going to kill someone in a hotel, fuck with the elevators and then throw her naked lifeless body in a water tank. there has to be an established plan of action, then you find the target
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sure, i agree on that!
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I guess you could assume if you have TOTAL access to the elevators, because this is what it seems, you would have access to information on all guests at the hotel. Never in my 22 years of life have i been to a elevator and it just DOESNT work, and I've been on a lot of elevators. WHY HER? why in the manner it was conducted? to STALK and kill a woman is a thought that would NEVER cross my mind or anyone I associate with, but to go to these lengths? something is FUCKED up here
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mmh... what do you mean by "total access to the elevators"? how does one have access to information on all guests then?
 Quoting: phoenixe


it seems to me by the video that the elevators conveniently stop working when she gets on. the EXACT moment when she wants nothing more in life than to flee this place. And what a big coincidence this SAME girl is found in the water tank of the hotel? no matter what time-line of events you can conceive, and my guess is the possibilities are all over the place, it is MY opinion she was targeted and someone with the know-how did this. If you have made the decision in your heart that it is some how okay to kill someone, because that's where the decision lies, You don't just suddenly say hey I'm going to kill someone in a hotel, fuck with the elevators and then throw her naked lifeless body in a water tank. there has to be an established plan of action, then you find the target
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sure, i agree on that!
 Quoting: phoenixe


I'm glad we can agree. it just sickens me when you have people in a position of power and they choose to do such INSANE and disgusting things. this can be said about some of our worlds 'prestigious' institutions.
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do you believe she was encountered by an invisible human tormenting her?
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ok start at 1:55 her head jerks towards the elevator as if she has just been slapped hard..
at around 2:07 looks like someone has her wrist and she is trying to wrestle her arm away, then gives up, arm goes limp, then makes a wide turn away from the elevator-not a natural movement, but as if someone is forcing her...
It looks like the hand gestures- to me at least- seems to be her trying to find the elevator after getting the blow to the head
 Quoting: Shurrie


so she gets attacked by a "ghost" and wrestles with it?

do you think this is EL in that video?

maybe it is another asian girl acting like in "dark water" for fun?
 Quoting: phoenixe


I don't know--I haven't seen dark waters--my daughter says its freak'n scary--so I really want to see it--I just never go out and rarely watch movies or tv unless its disney (for the grandbaby) or something scientific or interesting history stuff..

All I know is that I have watched that video several times and the first time I saw it and each time --she looks like she got clock'd upside the head and that someone grabbed her wrist and then forced her to go--and the last few times of viewing -- I would say it looks like after getting hit she is feeling for the elevator or for something
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mmh... what do you mean by "total access to the elevators"? how does one have access to information on all guests then?
 Quoting: phoenixe


it seems to me by the video that the elevators conveniently stop working when she gets on. the EXACT moment when she wants nothing more in life than to flee this place. And what a big coincidence this SAME girl is found in the water tank of the hotel? no matter what time-line of events you can conceive, and my guess is the possibilities are all over the place, it is MY opinion she was targeted and someone with the know-how did this. If you have made the decision in your heart that it is some how okay to kill someone, because that's where the decision lies, You don't just suddenly say hey I'm going to kill someone in a hotel, fuck with the elevators and then throw her naked lifeless body in a water tank. there has to be an established plan of action, then you find the target
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sure, i agree on that!
 Quoting: phoenixe


I'm glad we can agree. it just sickens me when you have people in a position of power and they choose to do such INSANE and disgusting things. this can be said about some of our worlds 'prestigious' institutions.
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do you believe she was encountered by an invisible human tormenting her?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23318413


well.. if you want to know what i believe and why at all, i stated it in the other thread on page 1 first post.
but right now i go with those 3:
version1
- video was edited, so as arkadiy found out, enough time for 3 other people to do something which are not on the vid
- whomever edited the video must be hotel staff and has something to hide
version2
- this video is not showing EL. it is just a random asian girl making a horrormovie-style video with friends and later, the other participants are cut out.
version3
- the invisible man theory we brought up 2 days ago on the other thread

all 3 make it nescessary to edit the video and pixel out time/date and as well, to not mention when this video was made or who released it at all.

but that´s just another bit of information the media is not willing to tell us..

besides on which floor the girl stayed and in which hotel at all (her tumblr vs media) and why interpol is involved.
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ok start at 1:55 her head jerks towards the elevator as if she has just been slapped hard..
at around 2:07 looks like someone has her wrist and she is trying to wrestle her arm away, then gives up, arm goes limp, then makes a wide turn away from the elevator-not a natural movement, but as if someone is forcing her...
It looks like the hand gestures- to me at least- seems to be her trying to find the elevator after getting the blow to the head
 Quoting: Shurrie


so she gets attacked by a "ghost" and wrestles with it?

do you think this is EL in that video?

maybe it is another asian girl acting like in "dark water" for fun?
 Quoting: phoenixe


I don't know--I haven't seen dark waters--my daughter says its freak'n scary--so I really want to see it--I just never go out and rarely watch movies or tv unless its disney (for the grandbaby) or something scientific or interesting history stuff..

All I know is that I have watched that video several times and the first time I saw it and each time --she looks like she got clock'd upside the head and that someone grabbed her wrist and then forced her to go--and the last few times of viewing -- I would say it looks like after getting hit she is feeling for the elevator or for something
 Quoting: Shurrie


[link to www.imdb.com]

there seems to be an asian movie with that plot as well ;)
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I noticed in the 3:59 second version of elevator that after she leaves tot eh left and the door closes, there looks to be some kind of reflective movement on the right wall and the wall where there are the buttons.

Something is moving in that elevator but not on camera and in the metal wall reflection.
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after really thinking about it, and just repeating certain moments of the video, there is someone there who is communicating with her. at 1:30 she re-enters clearly distressed, not liking at all whats taking place. immediately after finishing pressing all the buttons, she just walks straight out, then acts in a way people are saying is strange, or that clearly she's on drugs. I don't know what truly happened but this is not normal behavior. it would of been clear to ME if she was on intoxicating drugs, and to me she was not
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I noticed in the 3:59 second version of elevator that after she leaves tot eh left and the door closes, there looks to be some kind of reflective movement on the right wall and the wall where there are the buttons.

Something is moving in that elevator but not on camera and in the metal wall reflection.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18237036



go back to page1 of this thread, post #3 is the analysis of the video.
it was altered. there are fake frames inserted.
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honestly, it looks like she's tripping her face off to me.

I dunno, just watched the first video for the first time. I've skipped over everything about this story so far. Interesting though...
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It looks like she's possessed by some outside force. In the short video at 1:48 it looks like she's making a hand motion like she's trying to swim. And then her body is found in a water tank on the roof. Could be somewhat related.

Or she's just on some crazy hallucinogenics and thought she'd take a swim in the hotel's water ducts. Not sure how she got access though.
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I noticed in the 3:59 second version of elevator that after she leaves tot eh left and the door closes, there looks to be some kind of reflective movement on the right wall and the wall where there are the buttons.

Something is moving in that elevator but not on camera and in the metal wall reflection.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18237036



go back to page1 of this thread, post #3 is the analysis of the video.
it was altered. there are fake frames inserted.
 Quoting: phoenixe



I had read that so I watched the walls and it really looks like something/someone casting shadows. Although the girl never acts as if there is anyone in the elevator with her.

at several points it looks like a shadow is pushing the buttons on the panel--I went back over that several times to be sure -- you just have to watch the panel as the elevator continues
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It looks like she's possessed by some outside force. In the short video at 1:48 it looks like she's making a hand motion like she's trying to swim. And then her body is found in a water tank on the roof. Could be somewhat related.

Or she's just on some crazy hallucinogenics and thought she'd take a swim in the hotel's water ducts. Not sure how she got access though.
 Quoting: E CaT PanTHer


she does appear to act 'strange', but I think if she was on something intoxicating it would of been more apparent. she has enough sense to use an elevator correctly, yet wants to go take a swim in a water tank at the hotel? in my mind it's clear she was dumped there
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So this video was posted by the LAPD to illicit information from the public?

Where is the video from the inside of the hotel? All hotels have security cameras in the hallways. All of them.
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It definitely is a mystery.

If you look at the right wall of the elevator right near the buttons, I see what looks like a face. Not sure if it's just the lighting in the elevator thats portraying this image but it goes away and comes back from time to time.

Maybe I'm just tripping. Anyone else notice facial like features on the lower right side of the elevator wall?
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So this video was posted by the LAPD to illicit information from the public?

Where is the video from the inside of the hotel? All hotels have security cameras in the hallways. All of them.
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i wonder that as well..

we´re just fed a bit to wrap our heads around, what does not make sense at all (like this video),
without getting the least bit of useful information eg where she stayed at all; but we do get this crappy, altered video without date/time.

what do you think happened ?
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Not sure if this has been posted yet

[link to www.examiner.com]

CDC to investigate escalating Los Angeles tuberculosis outbreak among homeless (Video)


Apparently the test used to detect TB in humans is called a lam-elisa.
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So this video was posted by the LAPD to illicit information from the public?

Where is the video from the inside of the hotel? All hotels have security cameras in the hallways. All of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5538756


i wonder that as well..

we´re just fed a bit to wrap our heads around, what does not make sense at all (like this video),
without getting the least bit of useful information eg where she stayed at all; but we do get this crappy, altered video without date/time.

what do you think happened ?
 Quoting: phoenixe


gosh i really hate our media :(
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Security was in on whatever happened to her, because they would have seen her in the elevator acting odd and if the security/hotel mgmt had not been colluding together someone would have gone to check on her personally. I believe that also explains why the elevator door wouldn't shut while she was in it.
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Security was in on whatever happened to her, because they would have seen her in the elevator acting odd and if the security/hotel mgmt had not been colluding together someone would have gone to check on her personally. I believe that also explains why the elevator door wouldn't shut while she was in it.
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bingo
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Security was in on whatever happened to her, because they would have seen her in the elevator acting odd and if the security/hotel mgmt had not been colluding together someone would have gone to check on her personally. I believe that also explains why the elevator door wouldn't shut while she was in it.
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bingo
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I'm perplexed by the fact that this case hasn't shown a lead in the media. It seems so obvious to us who would be behind this, but it seems like its ages til the authorities get a clue. Which is why this whole thing should be questioned

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analysis of her body language


[link to www.bodylanguagesuccess.com]

Conclusion:

Ms. Elisa Lam is playing a game of hide and seek (or something similar) in this video. And although at times she displays some anxiety, there is no indication of fear. There is definitely an element of play present here. It is of course also possible that narcotics are influencing her behavior. Of particular importance is she is putting herself on sexual display. While what is seen here may have no connection with her demise - if the events in this video occurred just before her disappearance, it strongly suggests that the person to whom she is attracted may have knowledge of, contributed to, or be responsible for her death.

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On the long version. Towards the end theelevator door opens and closes. On the last opening at 3:40 what looked like dark windows oppisite the door is now orange?

N E one else notice this or have an answer?
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I've noticed this too.Someone said wall,but to me it looks like the same windows with somthing orange behind them.idk
 Quoting: DesinzitizedSleepWalker9978


different floor / window at the same place / someone closed the curtain?
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She gets in and presses ALL the floor buttons. If I were running from someone I would do the same so they wouldn't know which floor I was stopping and exiting the elevator at.

At about 3:25 the door closes and there's 4 floor indicator lights lit, then two of them go out one at a time and real fast. The door reopens about 3:40 with the orange window covering and two lights lit. From what I saw, the video would have to been edited because the panel would show three lights, then two a lot slower. Like frames from the video were missing. Old elevators do not move that quickly.

Also, how many floors are in that building? Four lights lit means she was on the fourth floor and the elevator was going down because the top two lights went out.
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its amazing how so many things can have a connection, for instance the movie dark water, someone mentioned the name of the girl is "cecilia" and then the other characters name is "dahlia" now the black dahlia was know to hang out at the cecil hotel.

the connection with the movie is creepy.
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its amazing how so many things can have a connection, for instance the movie dark water, someone mentioned the name of the girl is "cecilia" and then the other characters name is "dahlia" now the black dahlia was know to hang out at the cecil hotel.

the connection with the movie is creepy.
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It's called 6 degrees of separation.

Six degrees of separation is the theory that everyone and everything is six or fewer steps away, by way of introduction, from any other person in the world, so that a chain of "a friend of a friend" statements can be made to connect any two people in a maximum of six steps.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Security was in on whatever happened to her, because they would have seen her in the elevator acting odd and if the security/hotel mgmt had not been colluding together someone would have gone to check on her personally. I believe that also explains why the elevator door wouldn't shut while she was in it.
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More than one person involved and definitely at least one was employed there and perhaps a second long term resident psycho film student type
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hotel Cecil is evil
there is an evil energy there
it seeks out the weak and the evil
it attracts and uses them
takes their souls
plain and simple
Elisa lam was weak and the hotel devoured her

remember the Shining
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its amazing how so many things can have a connection, for instance the movie dark water, someone mentioned the name of the girl is "cecilia" and then the other characters name is "dahlia" now the black dahlia was know to hang out at the cecil hotel.

the connection with the movie is creepy.
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It's called 6 degrees of separation.

Six degrees of separation is the theory that everyone and everything is six or fewer steps away, by way of introduction, from any other person in the world, so that a chain of "a friend of a friend" statements can be made to connect any two people in a maximum of six steps.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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that's fascinating, scary too!
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RON LEE lives 10-20 min out of LOS ANGELES and what the executive producer of DARK WATER...
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is this her too? I did a google search from 2009 to 2012 and this popped up

[link to is1.4sqi.net (secure)]

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