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Hello. My real name is Jonathan. I'm a jeweller and businessman by trade. I have two bachelors degrees--one in Molecular Biology and another in Secondary Math Education. I have a master degree in Psychology.

I am Jewish. I am NOT a Zionist. I am opposed to Zionism as an ideology. I respect the Lord. I am devoted to His commandments. I have failed many times and I certainly will fail again. But thank the Lord for forgiveness.

Politically, I am a libertarian. I don't care about anyone's sexuality, drug use/abuse, religion or political affiliation. Believe it or not, you can be the complete opposite of me and yet I'll probably still like you--and I will certainly love you. You are you. I am me. We can get along--no matter what.

I am a Mason. I am a Master Mason, a Companion of the Holy Royal Arch and a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. I'm not here to defend Masonry but I am happy to say that the "conspirasphere" has Masonry all wrong. Masonry is a way to make men into better men--charitable, just, neat, clean and Godly. Many here might disagree but Masons here KNOW.

I believe in decorum. I believe in civility. I believe in respect. Life is good. Let's not foul it up with bullshit. Let's not revert to animals. That's what I say.

I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have. The Lord provides. Need I say more?

I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord. I've read the New Testament--several times with tears in my eyes. I believe that Jesus was sent here by the Lord and He did what had to be done--and ALL of us were beneficiaries of His life and death. I praise Jesus and I respect Christians. No finer people will you find in this world than the merciful followers of Jesus. Many will say that Christians are hateful but I only hope that these people have the chance to meet true followers of Jesus' words.

Most importantly, I don't claim to "know" anything (in the hard sense). I am as much a fool as anyone else. I may have saved this for last but it is the most important thing I could say.

Thanks for reading. You may find this thread to be pointless, and yet it is likely the most honest thing you will read tonight/today at GLP.

G-d bless.

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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Funny that people think if you join an organization all your free will and personal choice doesn't exist anymore.

When people think that way, they are keeping themselves in their own box of preconceived, handed out notions, relying on others to tell them what to think. As if they do not understand the power and diversity of thought.
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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


I'm not here to argue. But you might be surprised to know that a man can not be a Mason unless he believes in G-d.
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Thank you. You know your opinion means a lot to me.

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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


I'm not here to argue. But you might be surprised to know that a man can not be a Mason unless he believes in G-d.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


Not surprised at all. I've been around a bit, you know. And I'm not here to argue, either.

But you might be surprised if you delved enough into both masonry and also what God reveals, to find that they are incompatible with each other. Diametrically opposed, in fact.

I will leave it there.
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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Funny that people think if you join an organization all your free will and personal choice doesn't exist anymore.

When people think that way, they are keeping themselves in their own box of preconceived, handed out notions, relying on others to tell them what to think. As if they do not understand the power and diversity of thought.
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Diversity of thought is one of the most important tenets of Masonry. If lay people just understood what Masonry is, they would be all for it. But it's hard to explain to "sectarian"-type people.
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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


I'm not here to argue. But you might be surprised to know that a man can not be a Mason unless he believes in G-d.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


Not surprised at all. I've been around a bit, you know. And I'm not here to argue, either.

But you might be surprised if you delved enough into both masonry and also what God reveals, to find that they are incompatible with each other. Diametrically opposed, in fact.

I will leave it there.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


I disagree. And we'll both leave it there.

Thanks for commenting. I respect your opinions.
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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Funny that people think if you join an organization all your free will and personal choice doesn't exist anymore.

When people think that way, they are keeping themselves in their own box of preconceived, handed out notions, relying on others to tell them what to think. As if they do not understand the power and diversity of thought.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Diversity of thought is one of the most important tenets of Masonry. If lay people just understood what Masonry is, they would be all for it. But it's hard to explain to "sectarian"-type people.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


I know. Most do not know. Again, they rely on what they have been told. Not what they have experienced.

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*applauds you* it's hard being honest on here sometimes I think.
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I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have.

I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


japand2 No you don't. You cannot be a Freemason and a Christian, or a Jewish Christian.
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I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have.

I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


japand2: No you don't. You cannot be a Freemason and a Christian, or a Jewish Christian.
 Quoting: 9teen


chuckle

I know. Most do not know. Again, they rely on what they have been told. Not what they have experienced.

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*applauds you* it's hard being honest on here sometimes I think.
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It was hard at first. Then I just thought, "screw it". Being honest is actually far easier than lying. Just tell the truth, right? When, it starts to go, then let it flow!

Anyway, it beats the normal BULLSHIT that you find here like:

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RIGHT?!?!?!
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I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have.

I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


japand2 No you don't. You cannot be a Freemason and a Christian, or a Jewish Christian.
 Quoting: 9teen


I'm not here to argue. I was being honest--if that somehow blows your mind then, YOU'RE WELCOME.
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the "conspirasphere" has Masonry all wrong.


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I'm not a Mason and I agree. Great thread.

It's cliché to say this, but Freemasonry is no different then an apple orchard. A few trees may not yield like the rest, but you don't burn down the orchard because of it.
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Hello. My real name is Jonathan. I'm a jeweller and businessman by trade. I have two bechelors degrees--one in Molecular Biology and another in Secondary Math Education. I have a master degree in Psychology.

I am Jewish. I am NOT a Zionist. I am opposed to Zionism as an ideology. I respect the Lord. I am devoted to His commandments. I have failed many times and I certainly will fail again. But thank the Lord for forgiveness.

Politically, I am a libertarian. I don't care about anyone's sexuality, drug use/abuse, religion or political affiliation. Believe it or not, you can be the complete opposite of me and yet I'll probably still like you--and I will certainly love you. You are you. I am me. We can get along--no matter what.

I am a Mason. I am a Master Mason, a Companion of the Holy Royal Arch and a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. I'm not here to defend Masonry but I am happy to say that the "conspirasphere" has Masonry all wrong. Masonry is a way to make men into better men--charitable, just, neat, clean and Godly. Many here might disagree but Masons here KNOW.

I believe in decorum. I believe in civility. I believe in respect. Life is good. Let's not foul it up with bullshit. Let's not revert to animals. That's what I say.

I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have.

I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord. I've read the New Testament--several times with tears in my eyes. I believe that Jesus was sent here by the Lord and He did what had to be done--and ALL of us were beneficiaries of His life and death. I praise Jesus and I respect Christians. No finer people will you find in this world than the merciful followers of Jesus. Many will say that Christians are hateful but I only hope that these people have the chance to meet true followers of Jesus' words.

Most importantly, I don't claim to "know" anything (in the hard sense). I am as much a fool as anyone else. I may have saved this for last but it is the most important thing I could say.

Thanks for reading. You may find this thread to be pointless, and yet it is likely the most honest thing you will read tonight/today at GLP.

G-d bless.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


I like the way you draw.

Perhaps if we could all just take the best of the best that the world has to offer, and leave the negative parts behind, we could finally evolve into a coherent species.

That is the part, real or imaginary I like about the Islam religion, they say their God is the God of the bible and they say Jesus was a prophet, so whats the problem?

Perhaps people are just too afraid of personal responsibility and need a nanny?
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Honesty is always refreshinghf
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the "conspirasphere" has Masonry all wrong.


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I'm not a Mason and I agree. Great thread.

It's cliché to say this, but Freemasonry is no different then an apple orchard. A few trees may not yield like the rest, but you don't burn down the orchard because of it.
 Quoting: 10-DUDE


I certainly appreciate your comment. I wish most people could share your lucidity of thought.

Yes, some men who were Masons have committed crimes. But so have men of all creeds.

But I am proud to say that Masons are--as a whole--just and virtuous men.
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Honesty is always refreshinghf
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Like an ice-cold coke classic...
Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...
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forgot your five stars.
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Dear OP,

Regarding everything you wrote... thank you... you seem to be an open and honest person who wants little more than to live a good life in a free country (free not only in rights and privillages, but free from foriegn interests as well).

Also... Masons are monotheists. So long as one is a monotheist or Tibetan/(Theravadin?) Buddhist, one can be a Mason.

Lastly, I spell checked nothing... so flame on, flamers!
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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


I'm not here to argue. But you might be surprised to know that a man can not be a Mason unless he believes in G-d.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


Well...even the demons believe so....

Freemasonry...run from it. Evil to the core.
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Honesty is always refreshinghf
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Like an ice-cold coke classic...
Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...
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Damn, now I want a coke...
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Jonathan, you sound like a very good person. A Mensch if you will.
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You don't find any contradiction or conflict between being a mason and believing in God?

You should.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


I'm not here to argue. But you might be surprised to know that a man can not be a Mason unless he believes in A G-d.
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corrected for you . but i agree with nearly everything you say.
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Two bechelors degrees? Is that like a Bachelor's degree for dumb people?
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Hello. My real name is Jonathan. I'm a jeweller and businessman by trade. I have two bechelors degrees--one in Molecular Biology and another in Secondary Math Education. I have a master degree in Psychology.

I am Jewish. I am NOT a Zionist. I am opposed to Zionism as an ideology. I respect the Lord. I am devoted to His commandments. I have failed many times and I certainly will fail again. But thank the Lord for forgiveness.

Politically, I am a libertarian. I don't care about anyone's sexuality, drug use/abuse, religion or political affiliation. Believe it or not, you can be the complete opposite of me and yet I'll probably still like you--and I will certainly love you. You are you. I am me. We can get along--no matter what.

I am a Mason. I am a Master Mason, a Companion of the Holy Royal Arch and a Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. I'm not here to defend Masonry but I am happy to say that the "conspirasphere" has Masonry all wrong. Masonry is a way to make men into better men--charitable, just, neat, clean and Godly. Many here might disagree but Masons here KNOW.

I believe in decorum. I believe in civility. I believe in respect. Life is good. Let's not foul it up with bullshit. Let's not revert to animals. That's what I say.

I believe in the Lord. I believe in the Lord of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I shamelessly worship the Lord--He is our Father--and a finer father, you could not have. The Lord provides. Need I say more?

I believe in Jesus. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm Jewish but I believe that Jesus was an exceptional son of the Lord. I've read the New Testament--several times with tears in my eyes. I believe that Jesus was sent here by the Lord and He did what had to be done--and ALL of us were beneficiaries of His life and death. I praise Jesus and I respect Christians. No finer people will you find in this world than the merciful followers of Jesus. Many will say that Christians are hateful but I only hope that these people have the chance to meet true followers of Jesus' words.

Most importantly, I don't claim to "know" anything (in the hard sense). I am as much a fool as anyone else. I may have saved this for last but it is the most important thing I could say.

Thanks for reading. You may find this thread to be pointless, and yet it is likely the most honest thing you will read tonight/today at GLP.

G-d bless.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final



Thanks for 'coming out' Jonathan. I am against freemasonry, not because of the people who join it, but because the organization takes oaths of secrecy and loyalty to the brotherhood, that over-ride any other a man may hold.

They have declared spiritual war on the Catholic Church,
and want to destroy her.
You may not even know of these aims, because they are protected by oaths of secrecy, even from members.

I have one question for you, if you care to answer,
do you believe Jesus is the son of God? I do not mean, a son of God, who may be exceptional, but not God, manifested in human form.
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It's good to know other people out there have reasonable convictions, conscious ones that required some measure of thought to reach.

I'm not sure about the Jesus thing, though. It just seems absurd to me the idea we are so full of sin we required a being to come down, die "for" us (so we wouldn't have to continue sacrificing stuff and following these archaic Old Testament laws), and we then would have to believe in him to be saved.

God created the parameters, not us. God created this contrived universe, with its rules and madness, not us.

While our actions may separate us from a spiritual oneness with the Creator, I find it absurd the Creator would set up the parameters that would allow souls to exist in eternal damnation. I don't believe it. At all. Even the worst fool deserves some kind of redemption. Even the worst idiots in human history typically came from abusive childhoods or had some kind of brain malfunction. And the ones with no excuse? Even they deserve some kind of forgiveness. If I can reach that conclusion, why can't God?

So that premise is just wacky. It is the most odious premise of Christianity. "Believe in Jesus, or you're finished." It's too easy to be motivated by fear to believe.

Now do I believe evil souls might exist in some purgatory? Sure, but only of their own will to be separate from God, and not an imposed function of the Creator. And the idea of endless torture and torment? What loving God could allow that to any creature?
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Look--I don't know it all. But this is the way I look at the Jesus scenario:

Our Father (praised be his name) created us. We acted (and continue to act) in a MIGHTY WACKY WAY. Killing. Raping. Cheating. Judging. Stealing. Lying. etc, etc, etc.

He (our Father) sent his likeness to check out WTF is going on down here and finds out that by living a faultless life, all you're going to get yourself is CRUCIFIED.

Such is this jaked world. Fuck it.

As far as "purgatory" goes, I'd say that shit is jaked too. But that's coming from my own experience with a NDE. But that's ME. I won't tell YOU what to believe.
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Jesus was born again while he was alive.

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