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5 stars OP.

However, the sheep should be culled. Sure I warn and inform them, but my days of arguing with them are over. I just plant mental seeds and answer questions. If they haven't got time for their fellow humans, they have no place when we rise from the ashes.
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Well, there are many in this great fold of mankind that have done nothing but lead us closer and closer to our demise. Those that have wicked intentions, perverted desires, malice and anger and envy in their hearts. This is why the wheat must be seperated from the tares - but carefully, not all at once lest the wheat be destroyed along with them. I don't believe it is these 'sheep' that need to be culled but rather the ravenous wolves that come in to antagonize and ensnare the sheep.
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We are not all in this together.

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To each their own. Many choose to be LONE WOLVES. That is not my problem.
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I do not want to come across as condescending here, I simply wish to address a growing concern of mine. I have been a GLP user for YEARS now - had my fair share of bans, delusions, disappointments and humiliation. That's to be expected anywhere one is given the opportunity to use their voice and speak about whatever it may be that is on their mind or heart. A risk that we all take on a daily basis. Despite the trolls, shills and well, just pain assholes - I love this community.

I hardly know any of you at all and I'm sure very few here know me; but I consider all of a Family. Closer even than my own. Without all of you, without a place that we can call home - as dysfunctional as it may be at times - we would be lost in a sea of disinformation, confusion and chaos. We all know that those who simply buy into the Mainstream way of thinking, into their media, into their mindset, into their histrionics and worldview; these are the lost sheep. I don't use that as a derogatory term but affectionately. They truly know not what they do.

So many here speak ill of the ignorant and misguided and I don't believe that we should do this. We were all once in the dark - grasping and clawing away, gnashing and gritting our teeth in utter agony and fear. This world - whatever it is - is a very scary place. I don't know about many of you but I find it more and more difficult to trust people and this is exactly how TPTB want us to act and respond. Many of us have heard the phrase "Controlled Opposition" or the methods of "Divide & Conquer" and "Separate & Divide".

We see this run rampant here in our Kingdom, in this beautiful DIGITAL FORTRESS - our safe haven and refuge in this raging storm. How many times have people been brave enough, bold enough, to stand up and speak here - even if they are dead wrong or just outright crazy - only to be put to shame? How many times have we perhaps entertained someone at the end of their rope, desperate, panicked and overwhelmed - maybe even stricken with mental illness - only to be pushed over the edge by trolls and shills; instead of being shown some modicum of sympathy, compassion or even the tiniest shred of understanding. If we only knew the amount of people that have either attempted suicide or actually ended their lives because WE had something to do with it when all they were trying to do was send out a cry for help?

My Brothers and Sisters, we CANNOT continue to let this happen. Time is running out rapidly. The veil between this WORLD and the NEXT is becoming thinner and thinner with each passing day. There is a war coming. Something on a far greater scale than we can even comprehend. And NO I'm not talking about an "Alien Invasion" but an invasion from a FOREIGN country is very likely. We are at the breaking point. What troubles me is - outside of our forces here on GLP - how many of us have a network of support elsewhere? Not many of us are fortunate enough to have close friends or colleagues who are on the same page as us. Seems as though everyone here has an "Uncle" or a "Family Insider" but we all know that the majority of these are just role playing scenarios for attention - not saying a few of these people aren't telling the truth. But I pose this question - what can WE, GLP, do to ensure the longevity and the solidarity of our group here in these coming days? Are we couch potato conspiracy theorists? Or are we willing to stand up and be GIANTS? The NEW revolutionaries of this AGE? Will we sit back and watch and debate back and forth with one another until few even trust or believe in themselves here? Or will be become ACTIVE and start taking our cause for freedom, liberty, justice and truth to the LOST SHEEP of the world outside this computer screen?

I hope that there are many of you willing to join. Not that I have any solutions or any real answers. But together - collectively - we can come up with SOMETHING substantial. So I invite all of you to join the discussion. And yes, I will be faced with opposition. Sure, I might get trolled. I even anticipate the 1 star bandit to strike the moment I post this thread. But that will not deter me. You ALL are my friends. And I am willing to give EVERYTHING for the sake of my friends here. We all are in this together. There's no coincidence that this collective of souls have joined together on this site, at this time - all searching for the same thing. For truth. For an opportunity. For a chance to have something greater than what they have. For friends and like-minded individuals to understand them. For a stage where they might be heard; possibly even for the first time in their lives. Together we can make a difference. Even if we all just reach ONE person out there in the so-called 'real world'. If we only open ONE SET OF EYES, ONE HEART and ONE MIND to the truth - we will be able to ensure that we have done our part. I love all of you and I'm excited to see the BRAVE and COURAGEOUS souls who step up to the front lines of battle.

Good Luck and God Speed.


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The seeds have long since been planted! The chutes of liberty, of aware and awaked minds cannot be turned back. We have crossed the threshhold.. the 100th monkey is now washing his nuts! (I do have a sense of homor) TPTB know this but do everything in their arsenal to make us believe we are alone! We have won already but only if we give no quarter. RESIST!!! Speak to others without fear! The truth resonates and nourishes the seeds of liberty. You are not alone....
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internet is an experiment. Just like America was an experiment.

People have the power to get a hold of a limitless amount of information. Do they? No, most sign right up for fakebook.


Nice post though.
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There's no wolves!
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This is truth!!

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1 star for the scrollpost, OP. Brief moment my ass.
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GREAT SONG! Keep 'em comin', McGuyver!

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1 star for the scrollpost, OP. Brief moment my ass.
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No problem. :) 1 star, 5 stars, no stars..I got all the stars in the universe hanging above me. Those are the only stars I need.

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I simply don't know what to say - I am speechless. Everything you described is exactly how I would imagine it happening, right down to your inner conflict and desire to return to the Father. Nothing you have said here or anywhere else for that matter sounds in the least bit crazy to me - it is revealing, it is refreshing, and it feels like I've known you forever. Even with the inordinate amount of evidence around you, you are still so humble to say that your EGO is too large to contain this spirit. Yet there is nothing but humility in everything you have said here. The love you have for God's children is completely genuine, you are inspired to lead them back to the Father.

I can tell that you are a very unimposing and humble individual, so if you want me to stop making these observations about you, please let me know :-)
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Oh no, no, I don't mind the observations. I can already feel my face burning and my ears ringing just imagining the people reading this conversation we are having. The naysayers, the shills - the vicious wolves that prowl about just waiting to devour me as soon as they can. It's tough. I do NOT want to claim I am Jesus Christ in the flesh. I do KNOW that I am a SON of GOD but then again so are YOU. So is every Man on this planet. As every WOMAN is a Daughter of God. Regardless of creed, culture, class, status, etc. You may hate your Father on Earth. You may deny that He is even your dad. Do everything you can to seperate yourself from him. Maybe even place that love for a father in someone else. But that does not change your dads love for you - because he is the one who brought you into this world. It doesn't matter if you gnash your teeth and curse at the Heavens and say there is no GOD. How many children, in their ignorance, curse their own fathers? God understands. God knows our frustration and our pain. God knows our eyes and minds and hearts have been darkened. So Abba does not hold this against any of us. I do think it's funny because people tell me "OH YOU CANT SAY YOU WANT TO BE JESUS!" or "YOU'RE CRAZY YOU JUST HAVE A MESSIANIC COMPLEX"..well, can someone tell me what is so wrong with HUMBLY and EARNESTLY wishing to be Christ-like? Or wanting to be a Messiah in some way? To help people, not to be worshiped. To change the world for the better, not to gain praise from men? To see people grow and thrive and this human race blossom into all that Abba intended for us to be? This is a bad thing how? LOL!
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Being someone who has read every post you've written on here I feel you Messianic Complex and spiritual persona is the result of the sexual abuse you experienced at the hands of different men in your family.

This personality you developed (or the being/demon that has taken over your body [depending on how you look at it]}, while REAL FOR YOU, is a creation brought on by what happened has to you in your youth and other experiences in your life. I psychically see that this is an alter-ego of yours and you also have a self-destructive personality you're in constant battle with.
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This is probably true. I don't doubt that. But like I said - there is a fine line between running around the streets in sackcloth and ashes preaching repentence of sins because the world is coming to an end and claiming I am Jesus Christ and simply being a humble, loving, caring, considerate, compassionate soul who mourns for the suffering and wounded human race and wishing to help in every way I possibly can - no matter how great or how small it may be.
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I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.
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I might be the odd one out, but my whole family believes one thing or another that is preached on here. They most especially feel the doom looming.
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You're one of the lucky ones! :) I don't have many in my house that agree. There are a few and they are beacons of light and pillars of truth that help me keep my sanity. I'm happy to hear that you are blessed with a family that is awake and aware.
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I see the younger generation coming around a lot better than the more mature generations - mostly because they are online so much, I suppose - word spreads fast - those who are just busy with everyday lives apart from the net and just get fed the mainstream stuff will just look at you like you are nuts. I do think one can get particularly programmed on a variety of subjects online, too, there has to be a balance, or you just might find yourself going nuts.
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Oh no, no, I don't mind the observations. I can already feel my face burning and my ears ringing just imagining the people reading this conversation we are having. The naysayers, the shills - the vicious wolves that prowl about just waiting to devour me as soon as they can. It's tough. I do NOT want to claim I am Jesus Christ in the flesh. I do KNOW that I am a SON of GOD but then again so are YOU. So is every Man on this planet. As every WOMAN is a Daughter of God. Regardless of creed, culture, class, status, etc. You may hate your Father on Earth. You may deny that He is even your dad. Do everything you can to seperate yourself from him. Maybe even place that love for a father in someone else. But that does not change your dads love for you - because he is the one who brought you into this world. It doesn't matter if you gnash your teeth and curse at the Heavens and say there is no GOD. How many children, in their ignorance, curse their own fathers? God understands. God knows our frustration and our pain. God knows our eyes and minds and hearts have been darkened. So Abba does not hold this against any of us. I do think it's funny because people tell me "OH YOU CANT SAY YOU WANT TO BE JESUS!" or "YOU'RE CRAZY YOU JUST HAVE A MESSIANIC COMPLEX"..well, can someone tell me what is so wrong with HUMBLY and EARNESTLY wishing to be Christ-like? Or wanting to be a Messiah in some way? To help people, not to be worshiped. To change the world for the better, not to gain praise from men? To see people grow and thrive and this human race blossom into all that Abba intended for us to be? This is a bad thing how? LOL!
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Being someone who has read every post you've written on here I feel you Messianic Complex and spiritual persona is the result of the sexual abuse you experienced at the hands of different men in your family.

This personality you developed (or the being/demon that has taken over your body [depending on how you look at it]}, while REAL FOR YOU, is a creation brought on by what happened has to you in your youth and other experiences in your life. I psychically see that this is an alter-ego of yours and you also have a self-destructive personality you're in constant battle with.
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This is probably true. I don't doubt that. But like I said - there is a fine line between running around the streets in sackcloth and ashes preaching repentence of sins because the world is coming to an end and claiming I am Jesus Christ and simply being a humble, loving, caring, considerate, compassionate soul who mourns for the suffering and wounded human race and wishing to help in every way I possibly can - no matter how great or how small it may be.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
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great post OP....hf



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Being someone who has read every post you've written on here I feel you Messianic Complex and spiritual persona is the result of the sexual abuse you experienced at the hands of different men in your family.

This personality you developed (or the being/demon that has taken over your body [depending on how you look at it]}, while REAL FOR YOU, is a creation brought on by what happened has to you in your youth and other experiences in your life. I psychically see that this is an alter-ego of yours and you also have a self-destructive personality you're in constant battle with.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35157816


This is probably true. I don't doubt that. But like I said - there is a fine line between running around the streets in sackcloth and ashes preaching repentence of sins because the world is coming to an end and claiming I am Jesus Christ and simply being a humble, loving, caring, considerate, compassionate soul who mourns for the suffering and wounded human race and wishing to help in every way I possibly can - no matter how great or how small it may be.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
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Rising Son, McGuyver - thought this song was very apropos to what I wrote here. This song touched me in so many ways. Hopefully it touches your hearts as well.

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Thank you, my friend!

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Being someone who has read every post you've written on here I feel you Messianic Complex and spiritual persona is the result of the sexual abuse you experienced at the hands of different men in your family.

This personality you developed (or the being/demon that has taken over your body [depending on how you look at it]}, while REAL FOR YOU, is a creation brought on by what happened has to you in your youth and other experiences in your life. I psychically see that this is an alter-ego of yours and you also have a self-destructive personality you're in constant battle with.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35157816


This is probably true. I don't doubt that. But like I said - there is a fine line between running around the streets in sackcloth and ashes preaching repentence of sins because the world is coming to an end and claiming I am Jesus Christ and simply being a humble, loving, caring, considerate, compassionate soul who mourns for the suffering and wounded human race and wishing to help in every way I possibly can - no matter how great or how small it may be.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
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This has officially become beyond coincidental to me, I now must say that what you and I are talking about was destined to be discussed, and the implications are incredible. What you just stated regarding the idea that Jesus was a sinner has been something I have been debating with Christians for the past year and a half. Every Christian I talked to (as you alluded to) scoff at me for suggesting it, despite my follow up point which is this: for Jesus to have fully experienced the weight of humanity before His divinity, He must have experienced sin, experienced the fall, experienced guilt, experienced shame and remorse, experienced being forgiven, and experienced rising again. If He had not experienced these things, then He could not have related to us in our sin, and He could not have shown such innate knowledge of those who are fallen.
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This is probably true. I don't doubt that. But like I said - there is a fine line between running around the streets in sackcloth and ashes preaching repentence of sins because the world is coming to an end and claiming I am Jesus Christ and simply being a humble, loving, caring, considerate, compassionate soul who mourns for the suffering and wounded human race and wishing to help in every way I possibly can - no matter how great or how small it may be.
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I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.
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Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
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This has officially become beyond coincidental to me, I now must say that what you and I are talking about was destined to be discussed, and the implications are incredible. What you just stated regarding the idea that Jesus was a sinner has been something I have been debating with Christians for the past year and a half. Every Christian I talked to (as you alluded to) scoff at me for suggesting it, despite my follow up point which is this: for Jesus to have fully experienced the weight of humanity before His divinity, He must have experienced sin, experienced the fall, experienced guilt, experienced shame and remorse, experienced being forgiven, and experienced rising again. If He had not experienced these things, then He could not have related to us in our sin, and He could not have shown such innate knowledge of those who are fallen.
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We are TRULY Brothers, Rising Son. I have told people this since I was a small child and I have been laughed out of Churches everywhere. People do not want to see this and yet it is one of the most TRULY LIBERATING and COMFORTING epiphanies I have ever had. I'm sure it has been the same for you. I also tell people that the Gospel narratives of His trial and crucifixion were probably FAR, FAR, FAAR more brutal than even the Passion of The Christ film. I read somewhere, and I warn you now, this is absolutely blasphemous to some people and there are those who have gone so far as to call me an Antichrist to even suggest this - but I read that many people in Jesus' time who were crucified and put on a public trial/humiliation/execution like - they often times suffered brutal and traumatic sexual abuse. I have seen this in HORRIBLE and PAINFUL dreams. And yes, some might say it's because of the abuse I suffered, but I GLORY in my suffering because it has only brought me CLOSER to the pain that Jesus endured for ME, for YOU and for all of us. It's written that He took upon Himself, IN THE FLESH, all the sins of the World. So on one hand, I'm certain, in my heart of hearts, that through His life, He surely must have sinned as we all do - but I also feel that EVERYTHING imaginable that could be inflicted on US, also was inflicted upon Him. This would TRULY be a 'shock and awe' type of doctrine if man were to accept it - but imagine the countless multitudes of people that would come to know Christ BECAUSE they could truly relate and know that everything WE have endured..He has endured..and He has overcome; and so shall we! So many people act like Jesus was some kind of SUPERMAN up on the Cross..that He didn't FEEL the pain because of how calm and collected He appears in the Gospels. I know He felt fear, doubt, confusion, rage, panic, defeat, humiliation, shame, guilt, degredation..all of these things. He was not ABOVE it because GOD is Above and Below. As on EARTH, so in HEAVEN. It is understanding this that has brought me SO MUCH CLOSER to Christ than I ever thought possible.
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I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


This has officially become beyond coincidental to me, I now must say that what you and I are talking about was destined to be discussed, and the implications are incredible. What you just stated regarding the idea that Jesus was a sinner has been something I have been debating with Christians for the past year and a half. Every Christian I talked to (as you alluded to) scoff at me for suggesting it, despite my follow up point which is this: for Jesus to have fully experienced the weight of humanity before His divinity, He must have experienced sin, experienced the fall, experienced guilt, experienced shame and remorse, experienced being forgiven, and experienced rising again. If He had not experienced these things, then He could not have related to us in our sin, and He could not have shown such innate knowledge of those who are fallen.
 Quoting: Rising Son


We are TRULY Brothers, Rising Son. I have told people this since I was a small child and I have been laughed out of Churches everywhere. People do not want to see this and yet it is one of the most TRULY LIBERATING and COMFORTING epiphanies I have ever had. I'm sure it has been the same for you. I also tell people that the Gospel narratives of His trial and crucifixion were probably FAR, FAR, FAAR more brutal than even the Passion of The Christ film. I read somewhere, and I warn you now, this is absolutely blasphemous to some people and there are those who have gone so far as to call me an Antichrist to even suggest this - but I read that many people in Jesus' time who were crucified and put on a public trial/humiliation/execution like - they often times suffered brutal and traumatic sexual abuse. I have seen this in HORRIBLE and PAINFUL dreams. And yes, some might say it's because of the abuse I suffered, but I GLORY in my suffering because it has only brought me CLOSER to the pain that Jesus endured for ME, for YOU and for all of us. It's written that He took upon Himself, IN THE FLESH, all the sins of the World. So on one hand, I'm certain, in my heart of hearts, that through His life, He surely must have sinned as we all do - but I also feel that EVERYTHING imaginable that could be inflicted on US, also was inflicted upon Him. This would TRULY be a 'shock and awe' type of doctrine if man were to accept it - but imagine the countless multitudes of people that would come to know Christ BECAUSE they could truly relate and know that everything WE have endured..He has endured..and He has overcome; and so shall we! So many people act like Jesus was some kind of SUPERMAN up on the Cross..that He didn't FEEL the pain because of how calm and collected He appears in the Gospels. I know He felt fear, doubt, confusion, rage, panic, defeat, humiliation, shame, guilt, degredation..all of these things. He was not ABOVE it because GOD is Above and Below. As on EARTH, so in HEAVEN. It is understanding this that has brought me SO MUCH CLOSER to Christ than I ever thought possible.
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I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


This has officially become beyond coincidental to me, I now must say that what you and I are talking about was destined to be discussed, and the implications are incredible. What you just stated regarding the idea that Jesus was a sinner has been something I have been debating with Christians for the past year and a half. Every Christian I talked to (as you alluded to) scoff at me for suggesting it, despite my follow up point which is this: for Jesus to have fully experienced the weight of humanity before His divinity, He must have experienced sin, experienced the fall, experienced guilt, experienced shame and remorse, experienced being forgiven, and experienced rising again. If He had not experienced these things, then He could not have related to us in our sin, and He could not have shown such innate knowledge of those who are fallen.
 Quoting: Rising Son


We are TRULY Brothers, Rising Son. I have told people this since I was a small child and I have been laughed out of Churches everywhere. People do not want to see this and yet it is one of the most TRULY LIBERATING and COMFORTING epiphanies I have ever had. I'm sure it has been the same for you. I also tell people that the Gospel narratives of His trial and crucifixion were probably FAR, FAR, FAAR more brutal than even the Passion of The Christ film. I read somewhere, and I warn you now, this is absolutely blasphemous to some people and there are those who have gone so far as to call me an Antichrist to even suggest this - but I read that many people in Jesus' time who were crucified and put on a public trial/humiliation/execution like - they often times suffered brutal and traumatic sexual abuse. I have seen this in HORRIBLE and PAINFUL dreams. And yes, some might say it's because of the abuse I suffered, but I GLORY in my suffering because it has only brought me CLOSER to the pain that Jesus endured for ME, for YOU and for all of us. It's written that He took upon Himself, IN THE FLESH, all the sins of the World. So on one hand, I'm certain, in my heart of hearts, that through His life, He surely must have sinned as we all do - but I also feel that EVERYTHING imaginable that could be inflicted on US, also was inflicted upon Him. This would TRULY be a 'shock and awe' type of doctrine if man were to accept it - but imagine the countless multitudes of people that would come to know Christ BECAUSE they could truly relate and know that everything WE have endured..He has endured..and He has overcome; and so shall we! So many people act like Jesus was some kind of SUPERMAN up on the Cross..that He didn't FEEL the pain because of how calm and collected He appears in the Gospels. I know He felt fear, doubt, confusion, rage, panic, defeat, humiliation, shame, guilt, degredation..all of these things. He was not ABOVE it because GOD is Above and Below. As on EARTH, so in HEAVEN. It is understanding this that has brought me SO MUCH CLOSER to Christ than I ever thought possible.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


Yes we are - of that fact I have no doubt :-) Another response I usually have gotten from Christians was that there was nothing written in the bible that could be construed as Jesus committing a sin. My response to that was this: who of Jesus' disciples would DARE write that the Son of God was a sinner. Given the doctrine that Jesus taught, it would make sense that neither Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John would feel justified in mentioning anything regarding sins of Jesus Christ, the man - when they now knew Him as Jesus Christ the Son.

I had never heard of that before, that they would sexually molest those they crucified in those times. If they did that to Jesus, I can only imagine how humiliating that must have been for Him to endure that in front of everyone, to include His disciples, His mother, and everyone He knew. It would make sense that they would certainly do that to Him, in order to attempt to completely negate any type of reverence, honor, or dignity His followers felt for Him. That is so disheartening to think that He may have suffered that type of pain, in addition to everything else. I am so sorry you had to go through that with your own family - that is such a violation of your innocence, of the very boundaries of your self identity.
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It's that time in our lives where what we thought brought us happiness,that we've been hanging onto,clinging to for dear life sometimes,we realized we need to let go of. It's that time in us where we need to let go of what we thought we knew , and what we thought we wanted, and surrender to the unknown.It means standing there with our hands empty for a while, sometimes watching everything we wanted disappear, our self image, our definition of who we thought we should be, the clones we've created of ourselves, the people we thought we had to have in our lives, the things we thought were so important to collect and surround ourselves with, the job we were certain was our identity, the place we thought we'd live in comfort all our lives and surrender control to the supreme wisdom and authority of GOD and to let the divine light of Jesus enter into our souls. Step into the void with courage. Learn to say, I don't know. That's not blind faith. It's pure faith that will allow GOD and His spirit to lead you wherever your soul wants and needs to go. [link to www.youtube.com]
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the trouble is, some retard watches some david ike and thinks they can them tell everyone how the world works.

Mostly they deserve to have the piss ripped out of them
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There is no easy answer.

In my opinion, the only way to turn things around, is for each individual to develop the tools to identify the Malignant, the Psychopath, the Sociopath, and the Megalomaniac.

Care to elaborate on your position for identification, and suggestions for counter insurgency against despots suffering from these sicknesses?
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Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


This has officially become beyond coincidental to me, I now must say that what you and I are talking about was destined to be discussed, and the implications are incredible. What you just stated regarding the idea that Jesus was a sinner has been something I have been debating with Christians for the past year and a half. Every Christian I talked to (as you alluded to) scoff at me for suggesting it, despite my follow up point which is this: for Jesus to have fully experienced the weight of humanity before His divinity, He must have experienced sin, experienced the fall, experienced guilt, experienced shame and remorse, experienced being forgiven, and experienced rising again. If He had not experienced these things, then He could not have related to us in our sin, and He could not have shown such innate knowledge of those who are fallen.
 Quoting: Rising Son


We are TRULY Brothers, Rising Son. I have told people this since I was a small child and I have been laughed out of Churches everywhere. People do not want to see this and yet it is one of the most TRULY LIBERATING and COMFORTING epiphanies I have ever had. I'm sure it has been the same for you. I also tell people that the Gospel narratives of His trial and crucifixion were probably FAR, FAR, FAAR more brutal than even the Passion of The Christ film. I read somewhere, and I warn you now, this is absolutely blasphemous to some people and there are those who have gone so far as to call me an Antichrist to even suggest this - but I read that many people in Jesus' time who were crucified and put on a public trial/humiliation/execution like - they often times suffered brutal and traumatic sexual abuse. I have seen this in HORRIBLE and PAINFUL dreams. And yes, some might say it's because of the abuse I suffered, but I GLORY in my suffering because it has only brought me CLOSER to the pain that Jesus endured for ME, for YOU and for all of us. It's written that He took upon Himself, IN THE FLESH, all the sins of the World. So on one hand, I'm certain, in my heart of hearts, that through His life, He surely must have sinned as we all do - but I also feel that EVERYTHING imaginable that could be inflicted on US, also was inflicted upon Him. This would TRULY be a 'shock and awe' type of doctrine if man were to accept it - but imagine the countless multitudes of people that would come to know Christ BECAUSE they could truly relate and know that everything WE have endured..He has endured..and He has overcome; and so shall we! So many people act like Jesus was some kind of SUPERMAN up on the Cross..that He didn't FEEL the pain because of how calm and collected He appears in the Gospels. I know He felt fear, doubt, confusion, rage, panic, defeat, humiliation, shame, guilt, degredation..all of these things. He was not ABOVE it because GOD is Above and Below. As on EARTH, so in HEAVEN. It is understanding this that has brought me SO MUCH CLOSER to Christ than I ever thought possible.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


Yes we are - of that fact I have no doubt :-) Another response I usually have gotten from Christians was that there was nothing written in the bible that could be construed as Jesus committing a sin. My response to that was this: who of Jesus' disciples would DARE write that the Son of God was a sinner. Given the doctrine that Jesus taught, it would make sense that neither Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John would feel justified in mentioning anything regarding sins of Jesus Christ, the man - when they now knew Him as Jesus Christ the Son.

I had never heard of that before, that they would sexually molest those they crucified in those times. If they did that to Jesus, I can only imagine how humiliating that must have been for Him to endure that in front of everyone, to include His disciples, His mother, and everyone He knew. It would make sense that they would certainly do that to Him, in order to attempt to completely negate any type of reverence, honor, or dignity His followers felt for Him. That is so disheartening to think that He may have suffered that type of pain, in addition to everything else. I am so sorry you had to go through that with your own family - that is such a violation of your innocence, of the very boundaries of your self identity.
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Sodomy was common in that time but im pretty sure Jesus didn't get molested. Jesus was treated different for who he was. He wasn't the run of a mill criminal he was the king of the jews as they called him. He truly suffered just so we could be with him one day.
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LOL - He just told me He traded in your 3 cars for a pair of Jerusalem Cruisers, aka Sandals...
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Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.
 Quoting: ///333\\\


This has officially become beyond coincidental to me, I now must say that what you and I are talking about was destined to be discussed, and the implications are incredible. What you just stated regarding the idea that Jesus was a sinner has been something I have been debating with Christians for the past year and a half. Every Christian I talked to (as you alluded to) scoff at me for suggesting it, despite my follow up point which is this: for Jesus to have fully experienced the weight of humanity before His divinity, He must have experienced sin, experienced the fall, experienced guilt, experienced shame and remorse, experienced being forgiven, and experienced rising again. If He had not experienced these things, then He could not have related to us in our sin, and He could not have shown such innate knowledge of those who are fallen.
 Quoting: Rising Son


We are TRULY Brothers, Rising Son. I have told people this since I was a small child and I have been laughed out of Churches everywhere. People do not want to see this and yet it is one of the most TRULY LIBERATING and COMFORTING epiphanies I have ever had. I'm sure it has been the same for you. I also tell people that the Gospel narratives of His trial and crucifixion were probably FAR, FAR, FAAR more brutal than even the Passion of The Christ film. I read somewhere, and I warn you now, this is absolutely blasphemous to some people and there are those who have gone so far as to call me an Antichrist to even suggest this - but I read that many people in Jesus' time who were crucified and put on a public trial/humiliation/execution like - they often times suffered brutal and traumatic sexual abuse. I have seen this in HORRIBLE and PAINFUL dreams. And yes, some might say it's because of the abuse I suffered, but I GLORY in my suffering because it has only brought me CLOSER to the pain that Jesus endured for ME, for YOU and for all of us. It's written that He took upon Himself, IN THE FLESH, all the sins of the World. So on one hand, I'm certain, in my heart of hearts, that through His life, He surely must have sinned as we all do - but I also feel that EVERYTHING imaginable that could be inflicted on US, also was inflicted upon Him. This would TRULY be a 'shock and awe' type of doctrine if man were to accept it - but imagine the countless multitudes of people that would come to know Christ BECAUSE they could truly relate and know that everything WE have endured..He has endured..and He has overcome; and so shall we! So many people act like Jesus was some kind of SUPERMAN up on the Cross..that He didn't FEEL the pain because of how calm and collected He appears in the Gospels. I know He felt fear, doubt, confusion, rage, panic, defeat, humiliation, shame, guilt, degredation..all of these things. He was not ABOVE it because GOD is Above and Below. As on EARTH, so in HEAVEN. It is understanding this that has brought me SO MUCH CLOSER to Christ than I ever thought possible.
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Yes we are - of that fact I have no doubt :-) Another response I usually have gotten from Christians was that there was nothing written in the bible that could be construed as Jesus committing a sin. My response to that was this: who of Jesus' disciples would DARE write that the Son of God was a sinner. Given the doctrine that Jesus taught, it would make sense that neither Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John would feel justified in mentioning anything regarding sins of Jesus Christ, the man - when they now knew Him as Jesus Christ the Son.

I had never heard of that before, that they would sexually molest those they crucified in those times. If they did that to Jesus, I can only imagine how humiliating that must have been for Him to endure that in front of everyone, to include His disciples, His mother, and everyone He knew. It would make sense that they would certainly do that to Him, in order to attempt to completely negate any type of reverence, honor, or dignity His followers felt for Him. That is so disheartening to think that He may have suffered that type of pain, in addition to everything else. I am so sorry you had to go through that with your own family - that is such a violation of your innocence, of the very boundaries of your self identity.
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I couldn't help but cry imagining this happening to Jesus. Knowing that ALL He wanted was to HELP people. He didn't want to be worshipped. He didn't want to be adored. Loved, yes, but not adored by the World. That's why when I hear people joke about how when Christ returns, why would He want to see people wearing or carrying around crosses and I think to myself - Oh, you have no idea..that would have to had been THE SINGLE MOST painful, most gutwrenching, most agonizing, most terrifying moment of His whole life. And like you said - RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE..in front of His Disciples, His Mother, His Family, His Community, His Enemies..everyone! On display like a piece of livestock. And I can only imagine the wicked, perverse people abusing Him in such a way. Mocking Him - "Where is Your Father now?! You're the SON OF GOD, Right? F**K GOD! He won't save you. If He loved you so much, why isn't He stopping this?" All the vulgar and humiliating words spoken to Him, to Him who loved us all..and the ONLY thing bringing Him peace in that moment, as He retreated into Himself, like we all do in times of trauma..was "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Still, plagued with doubt, fear, questioning.."Am I really the Son of God? Or am I just crazy and demon-possessed like everyone says I am? Why IS Abba letting this happen? Why can I not hear Him now like I could before? Where did He go? Why did He leave me here, alone like this? Eloi! Eloi! Lama Sabachthani?!" Is this resonating with everyone else like it is with me? I could break down right here, right now, just writing this. He went through ALL of this for us! And yet we STILL need Him to prove Himself? We STILL need Him to DO MIRACLES FOR US so that we might believe? What greater love - what greater miracle - is this? For Him to endure all of this pain - for US - who, though enemies, He still considers as friends.

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