Could I have your attention for just a brief moment? I'd really like everyone to read this and chime in, please.

Well, there are many in this great fold of mankind that have done nothing but lead us closer and closer to our demise. Those that have wicked intentions, perverted desires, malice and anger and envy in their hearts. This is why the wheat must be seperated from the tares - but carefully, not all at once lest the wheat be destroyed along with them. I don't believe it is these 'sheep' that need to be culled but rather the ravenous wolves that come in to antagonize and ensnare the sheep.

To each their own. Many choose to be LONE WOLVES. That is not my problem.

There's no wolves!

The seeds have long since been planted! The chutes of liberty, of aware and awaked minds cannot be turned back. We have crossed the threshhold.. the 100th monkey is now washing his nuts! (I do have a sense of homor) TPTB know this but do everything in their arsenal to make us believe we are alone! We have won already but only if we give no quarter. RESIST!!! Speak to others without fear! The truth resonates and nourishes the seeds of liberty. You are not alone....

internet is an experiment. Just like America was an experiment.

People have the power to get a hold of a limitless amount of information. Do they? No, most sign right up for fakebook.


Nice post though.

This is truth!!

"I pray that all may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us"

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1 star for the scrollpost, OP. Brief moment my ass.

GREAT SONG! Keep 'em comin', McGuyver!

No problem. :) 1 star, 5 stars, no stars..I got all the stars in the universe hanging above me. Those are the only stars I need.

I'm not so sure that just because you have suffered, that necessarily makes you a textbook case for the Messianic Complex, and it certainly does not automatically equate to you being subjected to the whim of a demon or evil spirit. What you said in your first post about wanting to be Christ-like is spot on - that is what every Christian should do. Your priority and purpose is clear, in that it is to help others reach God, not seek glory, fame, or notoriety.

Granted, I have only seen what you have written on this thread, so it is difficult for me to make an adequate assessment of whether or not you have some sort of personality disorder. However, based on what I've already seen, you would have to present some very convincing evidence to persuade me into believing you are not the One.

I see the younger generation coming around a lot better than the more mature generations - mostly because they are online so much, I suppose - word spreads fast - those who are just busy with everyday lives apart from the net and just get fed the mainstream stuff will just look at you like you are nuts. I do think one can get particularly programmed on a variety of subjects online, too, there has to be a balance, or you just might find yourself going nuts.

Well, to the eyes of many, when MOSHIACH / IESUS CHRISTOS / YAHUSHUA returns again - He will be infallible, sinless once more, riding on the clouds with chariots and horses and all that. Legions of Angels. Etc. Of course, this, like MOST ALL THINGS in the Bible are allegory, metaphor, similie and parable. This does not nullify their significance, in fact, when carefully studied only ADD to their weight and value. But I am a MAN. I wrestle with sins on a daily basis. In fact, though I've never killed anyone, I feel much like the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus when he writes "Of all sinners, I AM THE WORST." But then again, there is no one on this planet that is without sin. And personally, I feel that in the times leading up to YAHUSHUA's ministry and COMING INTO His "Anointing" he wrestled with sin and human struggle just as we all do. For how else could He TRULY KNOW our plight, had he not experienced it first hand for Himself? Of course, this is heresy to most Christians. Though I feel that it is this doctrine of an Infallible, Pure, Holy, Godly Jesus that only ALIENATES and SEPERATES us from KNOWING HIM and having a solid relationship with HIM. However, when we entertain the thought that MAYBE He did sin - just as we all do, for like us, He is GOD and MAN - then we come EVER CLOSER to who He really is because we know that He truly feels our pain.

great post OP....

Rising Son, McGuyver - thought this song was very apropos to what I wrote here. This song touched me in so many ways. Hopefully it touches your hearts as well.

Thank you, my friend!

This has officially become beyond coincidental to me, I now must say that what you and I are talking about was destined to be discussed, and the implications are incredible. What you just stated regarding the idea that Jesus was a sinner has been something I have been debating with Christians for the past year and a half. Every Christian I talked to (as you alluded to) scoff at me for suggesting it, despite my follow up point which is this: for Jesus to have fully experienced the weight of humanity before His divinity, He must have experienced sin, experienced the fall, experienced guilt, experienced shame and remorse, experienced being forgiven, and experienced rising again. If He had not experienced these things, then He could not have related to us in our sin, and He could not have shown such innate knowledge of those who are fallen.

For all that is in the world,the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life,is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.Stand at the crossroads, and look,and ask for the ancient paths,where the good way lies,and walk in it,and find rest for your souls [link to www.youtube.com]

We are TRULY Brothers, Rising Son. I have told people this since I was a small child and I have been laughed out of Churches everywhere. People do not want to see this and yet it is one of the most TRULY LIBERATING and COMFORTING epiphanies I have ever had. I'm sure it has been the same for you. I also tell people that the Gospel narratives of His trial and crucifixion were probably FAR, FAR, FAAR more brutal than even the Passion of The Christ film. I read somewhere, and I warn you now, this is absolutely blasphemous to some people and there are those who have gone so far as to call me an Antichrist to even suggest this - but I read that many people in Jesus' time who were crucified and put on a public trial/humiliation/execution like - they often times suffered brutal and traumatic sexual abuse. I have seen this in HORRIBLE and PAINFUL dreams. And yes, some might say it's because of the abuse I suffered, but I GLORY in my suffering because it has only brought me CLOSER to the pain that Jesus endured for ME, for YOU and for all of us. It's written that He took upon Himself, IN THE FLESH, all the sins of the World. So on one hand, I'm certain, in my heart of hearts, that through His life, He surely must have sinned as we all do - but I also feel that EVERYTHING imaginable that could be inflicted on US, also was inflicted upon Him. This would TRULY be a 'shock and awe' type of doctrine if man were to accept it - but imagine the countless multitudes of people that would come to know Christ BECAUSE they could truly relate and know that everything WE have endured..He has endured..and He has overcome; and so shall we! So many people act like Jesus was some kind of SUPERMAN up on the Cross..that He didn't FEEL the pain because of how calm and collected He appears in the Gospels. I know He felt fear, doubt, confusion, rage, panic, defeat, humiliation, shame, guilt, degredation..all of these things. He was not ABOVE it because GOD is Above and Below. As on EARTH, so in HEAVEN. It is understanding this that has brought me SO MUCH CLOSER to Christ than I ever thought possible.

If your cause is right. If your cause is true. If your cause is worthy to you, then pay the price; do not collapse; let nothing overwhelm you. Find a way. If the way is not clearly evident, then bide your time and wait.Be strong and of good courage, to do what you must do for the goal that is right and true. Define yourself radically as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is an illusion.I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear. [link to www.youtube.com]

I'm with you, OP!

Couldn't of said it better myself

Yes we are - of that fact I have no doubt :-) Another response I usually have gotten from Christians was that there was nothing written in the bible that could be construed as Jesus committing a sin. My response to that was this: who of Jesus' disciples would DARE write that the Son of God was a sinner. Given the doctrine that Jesus taught, it would make sense that neither Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John would feel justified in mentioning anything regarding sins of Jesus Christ, the man - when they now knew Him as Jesus Christ the Son.

I had never heard of that before, that they would sexually molest those they crucified in those times. If they did that to Jesus, I can only imagine how humiliating that must have been for Him to endure that in front of everyone, to include His disciples, His mother, and everyone He knew. It would make sense that they would certainly do that to Him, in order to attempt to completely negate any type of reverence, honor, or dignity His followers felt for Him. That is so disheartening to think that He may have suffered that type of pain, in addition to everything else. I am so sorry you had to go through that with your own family - that is such a violation of your innocence, of the very boundaries of your self identity.

It's that time in our lives where what we thought brought us happiness,that we've been hanging onto,clinging to for dear life sometimes,we realized we need to let go of. It's that time in us where we need to let go of what we thought we knew , and what we thought we wanted, and surrender to the unknown.It means standing there with our hands empty for a while, sometimes watching everything we wanted disappear, our self image, our definition of who we thought we should be, the clones we've created of ourselves, the people we thought we had to have in our lives, the things we thought were so important to collect and surround ourselves with, the job we were certain was our identity, the place we thought we'd live in comfort all our lives and surrender control to the supreme wisdom and authority of GOD and to let the divine light of Jesus enter into our souls. Step into the void with courage. Learn to say, I don't know. That's not blind faith. It's pure faith that will allow GOD and His spirit to lead you wherever your soul wants and needs to go. [link to www.youtube.com]

the trouble is, some retard watches some david ike and thinks they can them tell everyone how the world works.

Mostly they deserve to have the piss ripped out of them

There is no easy answer.

In my opinion, the only way to turn things around, is for each individual to develop the tools to identify the Malignant, the Psychopath, the Sociopath, and the Megalomaniac.

Care to elaborate on your position for identification, and suggestions for counter insurgency against despots suffering from these sicknesses?

Sodomy was common in that time but im pretty sure Jesus didn't get molested. Jesus was treated different for who he was. He wasn't the run of a mill criminal he was the king of the jews as they called him. He truly suffered just so we could be with him one day.

LOL - He just told me He traded in your 3 cars for a pair of Jerusalem Cruisers, aka Sandals...

I couldn't help but cry imagining this happening to Jesus. Knowing that ALL He wanted was to HELP people. He didn't want to be worshipped. He didn't want to be adored. Loved, yes, but not adored by the World. That's why when I hear people joke about how when Christ returns, why would He want to see people wearing or carrying around crosses and I think to myself - Oh, you have no idea..that would have to had been THE SINGLE MOST painful, most gutwrenching, most agonizing, most terrifying moment of His whole life. And like you said - RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE..in front of His Disciples, His Mother, His Family, His Community, His Enemies..everyone! On display like a piece of livestock. And I can only imagine the wicked, perverse people abusing Him in such a way. Mocking Him - "Where is Your Father now?! You're the SON OF GOD, Right? F**K GOD! He won't save you. If He loved you so much, why isn't He stopping this?" All the vulgar and humiliating words spoken to Him, to Him who loved us all..and the ONLY thing bringing Him peace in that moment, as He retreated into Himself, like we all do in times of trauma..was "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Still, plagued with doubt, fear, questioning.."Am I really the Son of God? Or am I just crazy and demon-possessed like everyone says I am? Why IS Abba letting this happen? Why can I not hear Him now like I could before? Where did He go? Why did He leave me here, alone like this? Eloi! Eloi! Lama Sabachthani?!" Is this resonating with everyone else like it is with me? I could break down right here, right now, just writing this. He went through ALL of this for us! And yet we STILL need Him to prove Himself? We STILL need Him to DO MIRACLES FOR US so that we might believe? What greater love - what greater miracle - is this? For Him to endure all of this pain - for US - who, though enemies, He still considers as friends.