Potential Epic Comet Collision with Mars in 2014 *UPDATE: VIDEO ON FIRST POST* | |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States 03/04/2013 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Astro, you show us that the best place to see the impact if there is one would be off the west coast of Africa. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22896601 Will you be able to see it from The Observatory up mount Teide in Tenerife, Canary Islands? I hope so, I'll be living about 20 mins from there very soon. There is a hotel near it where you can stay it gets pack with amateur Star Gazers etc. Yes, in fact it will be about 20 degrees above the horizon from Tenerife, so pretty easily observable (I think Slooh also has a telescope up there but I don't know what its lower altitude limit is). Good idea, great observing location! Last Edited by Astromut on 03/04/2013 06:46 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22896601 United Kingdom 03/04/2013 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Astro, you show us that the best place to see the impact if there is one would be off the west coast of Africa. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22896601 Will you be able to see it from The Observatory up mount Teide in Tenerife, Canary Islands? I hope so, I'll be living about 20 mins from there very soon. There is a hotel near it where you can stay it gets pack with amateur Star Gazers etc. Yes, in fact it will be about 20 degrees above the horizon from Tenerife, so pretty easily observable (I think Slooh also has a telescope up there but I don't know what its lower altitude limit is). Good idea, great observing location! Thankyou so much. Have you ever been up Teide? It's just amazing what you get to see up there. Maybe you should make a trip there for this if this thing is gunna hit! |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States 03/04/2013 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Astro, you show us that the best place to see the impact if there is one would be off the west coast of Africa. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22896601 Will you be able to see it from The Observatory up mount Teide in Tenerife, Canary Islands? I hope so, I'll be living about 20 mins from there very soon. There is a hotel near it where you can stay it gets pack with amateur Star Gazers etc. Yes, in fact it will be about 20 degrees above the horizon from Tenerife, so pretty easily observable (I think Slooh also has a telescope up there but I don't know what its lower altitude limit is). Good idea, great observing location! Thankyou so much. Have you ever been up Teide? It's just amazing what you get to see up there. Maybe you should make a trip there for this if this thing is gunna hit! I rather like that idea. If it turns out it's going to hit I'll do everything I can to make it over that way. I've never been to Mt. Teide or the Canary islands before. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22896601 United Kingdom 03/04/2013 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Astro, you show us that the best place to see the impact if there is one would be off the west coast of Africa. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22896601 Will you be able to see it from The Observatory up mount Teide in Tenerife, Canary Islands? I hope so, I'll be living about 20 mins from there very soon. There is a hotel near it where you can stay it gets pack with amateur Star Gazers etc. Yes, in fact it will be about 20 degrees above the horizon from Tenerife, so pretty easily observable (I think Slooh also has a telescope up there but I don't know what its lower altitude limit is). Good idea, great observing location! Thankyou so much. Have you ever been up Teide? It's just amazing what you get to see up there. Maybe you should make a trip there for this if this thing is gunna hit! I rather like that idea. If it turns out it's going to hit I'll do everything I can to make it over that way. I've never been to Mt. Teide or the Canary islands before. you will love it, The people are very warm and friendly and there is so much more to do, I can not wait to move their in two months. You can go up the mountain on a new moon and just lie there (wrapped up as its bloody cold) and look at the milky way. |
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Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States 03/04/2013 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could someone please create a factode page, and eliminate all the bs so as calculations and changes occur there is a place to keep up, without the bikering ds. Quoting: aphares 35284223 Not a bad idea. I added the video to the first post and I'll start adding updates there so you don't have to wade through the BS to find it. |
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Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 31033756 Netherlands 03/04/2013 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember, "scientiests" for thousands of years adamantly maintained that the Earth was flat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34153072 Out of which body orrifice did you pull this particularly non-factual factoid? The ancient Greek had already proven that the Earth is spherical and measured its size, and they were proto-scientists at best. Learn something about science and "scientiests" before talking about "scientiests". It will make you look less like an idiot. The odds are it will be save. Planets are big. The probes orbiting Mars might have to plough through the thrown-up cloud of debris though. Hitting even a tiny grain at those speeds would destroy the probe. Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 03/04/2013 09:03 PM Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30120084 United States 03/04/2013 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Random twit here. I for one see Dr Astro's video for what it is. Not a statement that there is definitely going to be a hit on Mars, but that with the available data, it can't be ruled out and is in fact, a distinct possibility. In addition to that, he has also pointed out that if it does happen, when and where the best places are on Earth, to see it. If it does happen, and you are in the choice viewing area, you will see something very very special. As far as I know, something that no one else on Earth has ever seen. BTW, great vid. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1545225 United States 03/04/2013 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Random twit here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30120084 I for one see Dr Astro's video for what it is. Not a statement that there is definitely going to be a hit on Mars, but that with the available data, it can't be ruled out and is in fact, a distinct possibility. In addition to that, he has also pointed out that if it does happen, when and where the best places are on Earth, to see it. If it does happen, and you are in the choice viewing area, you will see something very very special. As far as I know, something that no one else on Earth has ever seen. BTW, great vid. sure. you'll see Mars, if you have a big telescope. but the show is going to be on the other side of the planet than what your viewing. (maybe you'll see it wobble back and forth when the comet hits, though) |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 03/04/2013 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Random twit here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30120084 I for one see Dr Astro's video for what it is. Not a statement that there is definitely going to be a hit on Mars, but that with the available data, it can't be ruled out and is in fact, a distinct possibility. In addition to that, he has also pointed out that if it does happen, when and where the best places are on Earth, to see it. If it does happen, and you are in the choice viewing area, you will see something very very special. As far as I know, something that no one else on Earth has ever seen. BTW, great vid. sure. you'll see Mars, if you have a big telescope. but the show is going to be on the other side of the planet than what your viewing. (maybe you'll see it wobble back and forth when the comet hits, though) As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1545225 United States 03/04/2013 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Random twit here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30120084 I for one see Dr Astro's video for what it is. Not a statement that there is definitely going to be a hit on Mars, but that with the available data, it can't be ruled out and is in fact, a distinct possibility. In addition to that, he has also pointed out that if it does happen, when and where the best places are on Earth, to see it. If it does happen, and you are in the choice viewing area, you will see something very very special. As far as I know, something that no one else on Earth has ever seen. BTW, great vid. sure. you'll see Mars, if you have a big telescope. but the show is going to be on the other side of the planet than what your viewing. (maybe you'll see it wobble back and forth when the comet hits, though) As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. |
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fellowearthling User ID: 35591492 New Zealand 03/04/2013 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take my hat off to you Dr* (or should that be Star Doc?) for bothering to share your calculations and video with this eclectic community. If it hits or not, the closeness of a comet this size with our reddish neighbour should be one spectacular encounter! I will have a or two next October and toast you for your consideration! "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1545225 United States 03/04/2013 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sure. you'll see Mars, if you have a big telescope. but the show is going to be on the other side of the planet than what your viewing. (maybe you'll see it wobble back and forth when the comet hits, though) As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. well, i just looked at the map again, and i am wrong about the above. it is as Dr. Astro says: the Comet could hit either side of Mars, indeed. |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 03/04/2013 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Random twit here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30120084 I for one see Dr Astro's video for what it is. Not a statement that there is definitely going to be a hit on Mars, but that with the available data, it can't be ruled out and is in fact, a distinct possibility. In addition to that, he has also pointed out that if it does happen, when and where the best places are on Earth, to see it. If it does happen, and you are in the choice viewing area, you will see something very very special. As far as I know, something that no one else on Earth has ever seen. BTW, great vid. sure. you'll see Mars, if you have a big telescope. but the show is going to be on the other side of the planet than what your viewing. (maybe you'll see it wobble back and forth when the comet hits, though) As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. Watch the video, it can hit either side. |
my 2 cents User ID: 26646007 Canada 03/04/2013 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro is the go-to shill for GLP. It's always clear he has an agenda. He monitors this site 24/7. You CAN NOT make a "the moon is off" thread without astro being there in 30 seconds to debunk it by directing you to "his" thread with "his" calculations on where the mooon is supposed to be in "his" OPINION. And he will not leave said thread until he has derailed it or everyone agrees with him. But even on his own thread getting attacked does not reply, because he has no explanation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34249989 Maybe its because you fucking idiots still believe the world is flat, OH WAIT or that nibiru is coming, WAIT WAIT THERES MORE or that we should have somehow detected that minute small tiny chunk of space rock that hit russia and caused every single human being to finally realize that shit does hit Earth. IT is so easy to debunk most of the moronic theories produced here its not funny. Hats off to one of the true GLPers Dr ASTRO. A voice of intelligence in a sea of stupidity. Patriotism is supporting your country always -- and your government when they deserve it. Mark Twain Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1545225 United States 03/04/2013 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545225 sure. you'll see Mars, if you have a big telescope. but the show is going to be on the other side of the planet than what your viewing. (maybe you'll see it wobble back and forth when the comet hits, though) As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. Watch the video, it can hit either side. [link to www.youtube.com] yes. i have already apologized for my error. |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 03/04/2013 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. Watch the video, it can hit either side. [link to www.youtube.com] yes. i have already apologized for my error. We posted at the same time. Apology accepted. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2310364 United States 03/04/2013 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545225 sure. you'll see Mars, if you have a big telescope. but the show is going to be on the other side of the planet than what your viewing. (maybe you'll see it wobble back and forth when the comet hits, though) As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. Watch the video, it can hit either side. What are the possible scenarios if the comet has a very close flyby that alters the course of the its orbit to either impact mars of another planets. maybe even earth. for example passes very close causing a serious deviation in orbit sending it to the inner solar system>? |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 03/04/2013 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. Watch the video, it can hit either side. What are the possible scenarios if the comet has a very close flyby that alters the course of the its orbit to either impact mars of another planets. maybe even earth. for example passes very close causing a serious deviation in orbit sending it to the inner solar system>? The comet is traveling so fast relative to Mars that even a very near miss results in negligible deviation. The comet is very near perihelion by the time it reaches Mars and because of its extremely inclined orbit it does not get anywhere near any other planets. My simulation took into account the gravity of Mars as well as the other planets, and yet even the closest virtual comets did not have their orbits significantly changed by the encounter, let alone in a way that would permit an encounter with another planet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1545225 United States 03/04/2013 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro As I showed in my video, that is unknown at this time, if it hits (unlikely, but possible) it could hit either side of the planet. with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. Watch the video, it can hit either side. What are the possible scenarios if the comet has a very close flyby that alters the course of the its orbit to either impact mars of another planets. maybe even earth. for example passes very close causing a serious deviation in orbit sending it to the inner solar system>? interesting point. yes. there is some scenario where the Comet can get so close to Mars that it is pulled into a partial "orbital state", and ends up getting sling-shotted 90 degrees in a new direction. |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 03/04/2013 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1545225 with the direction it's coming from, it can only and solely hit the far side of Mars (from earth's view), dumb ass. Watch the video, it can hit either side. What are the possible scenarios if the comet has a very close flyby that alters the course of the its orbit to either impact mars of another planets. maybe even earth. for example passes very close causing a serious deviation in orbit sending it to the inner solar system>? interesting point. yes. there is some scenario where the Comet can get so close to Mars that it is pulled into a partial "orbital state", and ends up getting sling-shotted 90 degrees in a new direction. Mars doesn't have enough gravity to do that. Even at extremely close approaches the comet's orbit is not significantly impacted, its simply traveling far too fast. To put this into some perspective, at the surface of Mars escape velocity is 5 km/sec. This comet will be traveling at about 11 times that velocity relative to Mars. If you disagree, then by all means post the orbital elements or state vectors that show this "scenario" occurring consistent with the astrometric data of the comet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2310364 United States 03/04/2013 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are the possible scenarios if the comet has a very close flyby that alters the course of the its orbit to either impact mars of another planets. maybe even earth. for example passes very close causing a serious deviation in orbit sending it to the inner solar system>? interesting point. yes. there is some scenario where the Comet can get so close to Mars that it is pulled into a partial "orbital state", and ends up getting sling-shotted 90 degrees in a new direction. Mars doesn't have enough gravity to do that. Even at extremely close approaches the comet's orbit is not significantly impacted, its simply traveling far too fast. To put this into some perspective, at the surface of Mars escape velocity is 5 km/sec. This comet will be traveling at about 11 times that velocity relative to Mars. If you disagree, then by all means post the orbital elements or state vectors that show this "scenario" occurring consistent with the astrometric data of the comet. I figured the speed would be too great. That makes sense. thanks for the answer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35571303 Taiwan 03/04/2013 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Histogram of close approach distances [link to spaceobs.org] |