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The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.

 
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I have no sympathy for the typical American worker. Our pitiful workday is an insult vs. the amount of products we consume.

Compare your workday to that of a slave laborer in China or Bandladesh for instance. You would not last a week in the factories over there, you would collapse from exhaustion the first day, they would have to revive you with spirits to keep you working, literally, you would be fired and charged with laziness on the job, you would be in trouble with the authorities on day one for this.

We have no clue what the "out of sight out of mind" slaves do to keep the "west kings" comfortable.

Sorry, you should really research this deeply and find out what conditions are like over there. They make our Walmart products and such to keep our cost of living down in the U.S/west. This is done to keep inflation in check for us. Else our products would cost x5 of what they are now.

We have exported our inflation improperly using the Fed Reserve/USD scheme for about 50 years now. It's getting worse.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
I have no sympathy for the typical American worker. Our pitiful workday is an insult vs. the amount of products we consume.

Compare your workday to that of a slave laborer in China or Bandladesh for instance. You would not last a week in the factories over there, you would collapse from exhaustion the first day, they would have to revive you with spirits to keep you working, literally, you would be fired and charged with laziness on the job, you would be in trouble with the authorities on day one for this.

We have no clue what the "out of sight out of mind" slaves do to keep the "west kings" comfortable.

Sorry, you should really research this deeply and find out what conditions are like over there. They make our Walmart products and such to keep our cost of living down in the U.S/west. This is done to keep inflation in check for us. Else our products would cost x5 of what they are now.

We have exported our inflation improperly using the Fed Reserve/USD scheme for about 50 years now. It's getting worse.
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Hunter/Gatherer society would ensure that this kind of sick imbalance and torture would not occur. If a Hadza was being made to be a slave for instance, he could escape into the wild as soon as he had a chance, they would not find him again. Even the Muslims cannot make the Hadza obey because the Hadza know how to live with the Earth in their enviro. and have no fear of it.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
Actually that is false, pseudo scientific Darwinian stuff.

Look we all want to go back to our roots, but this doesn't mean we were merely monkeys. We could have even been vegetarian, we could have even lived in a garden of Eden in a symbiotic relationship with plants. We could have lived this way in tribal communities. It was not always "hunt and kill and capitalize" etc.

So basically this "hunter-gatherer" stuff is a hijack of what could have been a very different ancient past.

In the ancient times we may have been way more advanced than most people think.

If not then at least before circumcision, before the ETs messed with us, we were at a relative peace. We may not have been hunter/gatherers then.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
Actually that is false, pseudo scientific Darwinian stuff.

Look we all want to go back to our roots, but this doesn't mean we were merely monkeys. We could have even been vegetarian, we could have even lived in a garden of Eden in a symbiotic relationship with plants. We could have lived this way in tribal communities. It was not always "hunt and kill and capitalize" etc.

So basically this "hunter-gatherer" stuff is a hijack of what could have been a very different ancient past.

In the ancient times we may have been way more advanced than most people think.

If not then at least before circumcision, before the ETs messed with us, we were at a relative peace. We may not have been hunter/gatherers then.
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It's possible, but we still have several hunter/gatherer societies right now operating on Earth and I am drawing from that evidence. The Hadza for instance have been verified to have been in the same region doing the same thing successfully for 10,000+ years. They have not moved and are a language isolate.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
Yea surely, hunter gatherer societies may have been happier. I meant to say that we were not always hunter-gatherers yet still had "happiness".
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those 'happy' times you're so fond of were actually a DAILY struggle for life, what with the hunt for food, water, the constant looking over your shoulder for rival tribes and hunters, and the fight against competing predators for food, and your own survival

rose specs OFF, i'd suggest
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no thats not actually correct most at the time of meeting civilizeation had plenty of free time.

not to say that what you are suggesting did not happen
but it was not the norm.

you only need to look at art from these societies to realise this.

but also OP is a little misguided there has always been
and will always be people who desire power and controll.
This was also the case in HG societies plenty of wars
happened back then we just dont hear about them.
sheell be right mate
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
those 'happy' times you're so fond of were actually a DAILY struggle for life, what with the hunt for food, water, the constant looking over your shoulder for rival tribes and hunters, and the fight against competing predators for food, and your own survival

rose specs OFF, i'd suggest
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no thats not actually correct most at the time of meeting civilizeation had plenty of free time.

not to say that what you are suggesting did not happen
but it was not the norm.

you only need to look at art from these societies to realise this.

but also OP is a little misguided there has always been
and will always be people who desire power and controll.
This was also the case in HG societies plenty of wars
happened back then we just dont hear about them.
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Yes, this is true. Always, there were those who wanted to lead and/or control. I think the point is that in a Hunter/Gatherer society where each child is raised to be able to operate on his/her own for his own interest of freedom, as the Hadza do, it is nearly impossible for this person to be subdued or controlled.

Now THAT is the ulimate freedom of body/mind/spirit! To me that should be the goal of humanity, where no one need be bound by another against his will, and if that person tries to bind someone, yet again, he/she cannot in this kind of society. It is the ultimate "do as you will" because each person can also counter you by "leaving".
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
those 'happy' times you're so fond of were actually a DAILY struggle for life, what with the hunt for food, water, the constant looking over your shoulder for rival tribes and hunters, and the fight against competing predators for food, and your own survival

rose specs OFF, i'd suggest
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Honest question: exactly how much worse would this be than our current scenario of mass poisoning, exploitation and manipulation privileged & corrupt big shots?
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
those 'happy' times you're so fond of were actually a DAILY struggle for life, what with the hunt for food, water, the constant looking over your shoulder for rival tribes and hunters, and the fight against competing predators for food, and your own survival

rose specs OFF, i'd suggest
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Honest question: exactly how much worse would this be than our current scenario of mass poisoning, exploitation and manipulation privileged & corrupt big shots?
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For MOST of the world's population, it would be much better IMO ( to be hunter-gatherer )
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As was pointed out though, this type of society, the Earth can only support a limited number.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
For the typical person on Earth, the transition to HG would be HUGE.

You would have to start by taking "survival in the wilderness" classes for the area you wish to roam in. It would take several years for you to become adept in learning the ways of living from the earth.

You would likely, in the U.S., have to select a more southerly area because a northerly area would be too cold 3 months of the year.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
Discuss-

When man moved to Ag/City set-up this caused stationary settlements which led to stratification of jobs, which led to those people who could manipulate the system were able to not have to do their own work to survive by making others do their work for them.

Whereas: When we were hunter-gatherers each person was made to do their own work or be left to die, egalitarian system.

The Earth can support about 20 million H-Gatherers and that is healthy for the Earth = no overpopulation, living mostly in temperate zones going to other zones temporarily when warm enough during warm seasons.

H/G's live to their 60's (which is plenty), this w/o modern conveniences or medicines.

Our current "progress" is actually just a "progress trap" which can't be sustained anyway. We are quickly consuming resources and polluting to end the health of Earth which will cause future collapse and devastation occurring as we speak; also slave labor is now a major problem for 6 of 7 billion people = these people are not happy but miserable.

Conclusion: in the next 100 years we should work BACK to this form (H/G life) for our own well-being = Neo-Hunter-Gatherers.

???
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My reflection on your thoughts are that, they are misguided. You are taking yourself from an environment that 'has' 'everything' and isolating yourself to 'nothing'.

Since you 'had' and feel you 'know' you can survive, you feel that times were simpler. Granted, in our modern era this is true. But if this were the case, why are there still places on earth we have yet to really explore? The amazon jungle is a great example of such an environment that has been 'untouched' by the corrupting hands of man. You wouldn't last a week there and that's about as 'earthly' as one can get.

Suffice it to say, even if you did and let us say, unfortunate weather, housing damage, total loss of crops, bug infestations, the list is endless. There wouldn't be a Walmarts to walk down to grab your food from, or a new blanket and sheets. Or a extra electric heater to keep the house warmer. Nor is there home insurance, or any other safety net for that matter.

To believe that man can go BACK, into that era... is pretty humorous. To believe that man can go BACK, into that era... and not become a primitive, testosterone driven ape, is simply denying humanity and its true nature.

Look around... it seems to me, that prosperity never lasts long, no Republic ever remains standing and good men are all but far and few between in an era of Tyrants, Intellectuals, and turn coats... what did you expect?

I feel Hollywood glamor has people confused. There were no simpler times, life has never been simpler than today. Which is why you're on GLP trying to get people to discuss this subject, albeit in an intelligent manner, albeit on the internet.

For whatever it is worth. It is honestly too late anyways, this system was designed to fail to begin with.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
Discuss-

When man moved to Ag/City set-up this caused stationary settlements which led to stratification of jobs, which led to those people who could manipulate the system were able to not have to do their own work to survive by making others do their work for them.

Whereas: When we were hunter-gatherers each person was made to do their own work or be left to die, egalitarian system.

The Earth can support about 20 million H-Gatherers and that is healthy for the Earth = no overpopulation, living mostly in temperate zones going to other zones temporarily when warm enough during warm seasons.

H/G's live to their 60's (which is plenty), this w/o modern conveniences or medicines.

Our current "progress" is actually just a "progress trap" which can't be sustained anyway. We are quickly consuming resources and polluting to end the health of Earth which will cause future collapse and devastation occurring as we speak; also slave labor is now a major problem for 6 of 7 billion people = these people are not happy but miserable.

Conclusion: in the next 100 years we should work BACK to this form (H/G life) for our own well-being = Neo-Hunter-Gatherers.

???
 Quoting: NHG:Neo-Hunter-Gatherer 247684


My reflection on your thoughts are that, they are misguided. You are taking yourself from an environment that 'has' 'everything' and isolating yourself to 'nothing'.

Since you 'had' and feel you 'know' you can survive, you feel that times were simpler. Granted, in our modern era this is true. But if this were the case, why are there still places on earth we have yet to really explore? The amazon jungle is a great example of such an environment that has been 'untouched' by the corrupting hands of man. You wouldn't last a week there and that's about as 'earthly' as one can get.

Suffice it to say, even if you did and let us say, unfortunate weather, housing damage, total loss of crops, bug infestations, the list is endless. There wouldn't be a Walmarts to walk down to grab your food from, or a new blanket and sheets. Or a extra electric heater to keep the house warmer. Nor is there home insurance, or any other safety net for that matter.

To believe that man can go BACK, into that era... is pretty humorous. To believe that man can go BACK, into that era... and not become a primitive, testosterone driven ape, is simply denying humanity and its true nature.

Look around... it seems to me, that prosperity never lasts long, no Republic ever remains standing and good men are all but far and few between in an era of Tyrants, Intellectuals, and turn coats... what did you expect?

I feel Hollywood glamor has people confused. There were no simpler times, life has never been simpler than today. Which is why you're on GLP trying to get people to discuss this subject, albeit in an intelligent manner, albeit on the internet.

For whatever it is worth. It is honestly too late anyways, this system was designed to fail to begin with.
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There are people who are training to do this thing right now. They realize the false system we have and want to be back with nature, etc. You can take classes on how to live in the wild right now. It's not easy but it is certainly not out of reach. The hard part is finding an area to roam. But in the event of a complete world financial collapse there may be areas that open up. Anyway, as you mentioned there are still large areas in the Amazon and such.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
That time is coming again.

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I can't do youtube...summary?
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
i agree,i also feel the start of the farming too,like village farming. I would give anything to have been living then
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Also,this is unachievable in todays world. In this time,you could find you an area of land and live with family or a village type situation. Now there is tax and you cant just go post up on some land.
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Also,this is unachievable in todays world. In this time,you could find you an area of land and live with family or a village type situation. Now there is tax and you cant just go post up on some land.
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True about the farming, but with hunter-gatherer you would be living off the land and be nomadic so this would solve the problem. Have you heard of harvesting 'wild' crops?

If not, the trick is to plant seeds in wild areas here and there and all over your "roaming area". Then you carefully remember where your 'wild' plants are and go back to harvest them later (random areas). Another type of this farming is simply to become adept in spotting wild plants that are edible, even weeds can serve as this.
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That time is coming again.

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I like his vision. I hope it comes to pass. Many are starting to see how our synthetic possessions are a curse. Find reality again by going back to simplicity.
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Also,this is unachievable in todays world. In this time,you could find you an area of land and live with family or a village type situation. Now there is tax and you cant just go post up on some land.
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True about the farming, but with hunter-gatherer you would be living off the land and be nomadic so this would solve the problem. Have you heard of harvesting 'wild' crops?

If not, the trick is to plant seeds in wild areas here and there and all over your "roaming area". Then you carefully remember where your 'wild' plants are and go back to harvest them later (random areas). Another type of this farming is simply to become adept in spotting wild plants that are edible, even weeds can serve as this.
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have you heard about the dept of fish and game or Beareu of land management or child protection services or even the IRS for your tribe.

I know all about wild edibles and being a caretaker
not to mention hunting,fishing and trapping but the modern
world has little or no place for a society of this sort
anymore not that I actually want to live like that anyway
I would much prefer the iron age farming villiage society.

HG societies were not as enviromentaly friendly as you seem
to think anyway did you know that the Australian Aboriginee
used to hunt by starting huge fires to chase the game.

also many HG societies were stationary most had a form
of trade and all had some specializeation of jobs.

I would also argue that there was stratification (lol i had to look up the word)because there were warriors,hunters,elders,chiefs,women,shamen and even slaves

so what realy sets a HG society apart from say a iron/bronze age farming villiage? honest question i think its simply the ability for deliberate agriculture.

Where I am at the moment aparently the indians practiced a
form of herd controll on the prong horn antelope they would
cage/fence and then select the best to be let free to continue the herd.I argue this is deliberate agriculture
and so not realy a HG society but rather a stone age ranch.

OP are you doing some sort of paper/study work?
sheell be right mate
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I wish I could be hunter-gatherer. Roaming the mountains and forests with my comrades and eating deer and such.
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People romanticizing the stone age life usually have no clue this life style can only support a very limited population, but you got it right, so +1 for that.
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That's one of the benefits. It's sustainable. Nobody believes we will be able to go back to those times unless there is some major catastrophe.
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OP, here is an advice for you:

turn away frm your current life, and go live in the Amazon forrest with the indigenous tribes


what you think?
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You realize many of these ancient peoples also practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism.
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This was usually after the neolithic. They would sacrifice to the gods for a good harvest or whatever.
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Re: The last time humanity was happy and in tune with people and the Earth was in the "Hunter-Gatherer" time.
The Earth can support about 20 million H-Gatherers and that is healthy for the Earth = no overpopulation, living mostly in temperate zones going to other zones temporarily when warm enough during warm seasons.

H/G's live to their 60's (which is plenty), this w/o modern conveniences or medicines.
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If we were to take a quick, easy to grow plant such as cannabis, the bud of which contains large amounts of every nutrient the human body needs, we could have the best of both worlds. Over time other plants that we would grow, fruit trees, grapevines, berry bushes, etc. would cover the Earth, reducing H/G work to a walk in Picnic Park.

With a perfect lifestyle free of stress, inactivity, and malnutrition, living to 60 would be a joke. You say it is enough years, but what is important is not the years, but the quality of physical health over those years. Simply put, just as those who lived long ago knew the secret to longevity, we too would not age.

The greatest aspect of the world that I have just illustrated for you is not lasting youth, and it's not a world of abundance, but it is the freedom. With the need for work of any kind eliminated, people would be free to pursue their dreams of traveling the world in sailing ships, and experiencing a plethora of arts, trades, and recreation.

The world would essentially become a giant music festival, capable of housing trillions on the equator alone. You will find that when people no longer cluster in cities, there is plenty of room for people to live comfortably and in harmony with the animals they had previously forced out.
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