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BUBBLEGATE - Proof of Successful Sonoluminescence (Acoustic Intertial Confinment Fusion) Experiments COVER-UP

 
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bubblegate....fluff.....giant bubble x-ray emmsions from the solar system....economy....society...reality tunnels...this....could 2013 be year of the bubble?

[link to io9.com]

"After last year's Higgs discovery, he performed a calculation that indicated the potential for a quantum fluctuation — an event that would create a lower-energy state bubble that expands at the speed of light and "sweep everything before it." He predicts that it won't happen for many tens of billions of years — an era that will mark the end-stage of the Universe anyway."
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I would really like to see some neutron data from these fusion experiments.

The reactions they are implying, such as D-D or D-T fusion, to have occurred, would release neutrons. I have never seen anyone reporting neutron flux as a result of their fusion experiments.
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bubblegate....fluff.....giant bubble x-ray emmsions from the solar system....economy....society...reality tunnels...this....could 2013 be year of the bubble?

[link to io9.com]

"After last year's Higgs discovery, he performed a calculation that indicated the potential for a quantum fluctuation — an event that would create a lower-energy state bubble that expands at the speed of light and "sweep everything before it." He predicts that it won't happen for many tens of billions of years — an era that will mark the end-stage of the Universe anyway."
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2013- end of 2014. I think we are going to be in for some surprises, but may not see the effect of the surprises until into 2015.
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I would really like to see some neutron data from these fusion experiments.

The reactions they are implying, such as D-D or D-T fusion, to have occurred, would release neutrons. I have never seen anyone reporting neutron flux as a result of their fusion experiments.
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I think I just saw that at a site I was browsing. Let me see.
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V. CONCLUSION.
When James Clerk Maxwell[4] wrote the second
edition of his Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism
he included a quaternion representation of his electromagnetic equations, but he did not include both
left-hand and right-hand derivatives, and the differential
operator nabla was restricted to the 3-dimensional space
form lacking a time component, and so his work is
fundamentally different from that presented here. ()
Indeed, in the calculus of quaternions the differential
operator almost always appears on the left acting
towards the variable on the right, ignoring the other alternative. And even though, Charles Jasper Joly[5] notes
the distinction in his book A Manual of Quaternions,
the importance of the idea goes unnoticed, unexplored,
and unused. As a consequence of this, an important
field component went missing in Maxwell's Equations,
and all of modern physics has developed from there
perpetuating one of the consequences of this oversight,
namely, that the electromagnetic field possesses six
components, whereas, as we have shown, there should
be seven.
float
"It is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature" - Nikola Tesla
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Im going to dwelve deeper into this. Maybe some insights will pay me a visit.
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I would really like to see some neutron data from these fusion experiments.

The reactions they are implying, such as D-D or D-T fusion, to have occurred, would release neutrons. I have never seen anyone reporting neutron flux as a result of their fusion experiments.
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I think I just saw that at a site I was browsing. Let me see.
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Here is a 2007 paper on it. Looks like they were getting varying results. If I remember correctly, in the Oak Ridge experiments, they had used the dated tech configuration which was upgraded after Oak Ridge canned the project. Of course, that was in accordance to DARPA as well.

[link to www.scs.illinois.edu]
Our experiments imply an upper bound that is
10 000 times smaller than Taleyarkhan’s signal. We believe,
however, that a neutron signal of only 1% of this
upper bound would be very interesting, since a tantalizing
and frustrating aspect of the search for new routes to fusion
is discerning a weak signal in the tail of an exponential
distribution. Small increases in bubble temperature would
lead to huge increases in the rate of D-D fusion.
This research supported by DARPA and the BBC.
We thank Brian Naranjo for valuable advice and assistance
on all aspects of this research. We also thank Avik
Chakravarty for the priceless time spent with these
experiments.
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I would really like to see some neutron data from these fusion experiments.

The reactions they are implying, such as D-D or D-T fusion, to have occurred, would release neutrons. I have never seen anyone reporting neutron flux as a result of their fusion experiments.
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doesnt fusion take place in a neutron generator?

[link to www.thermoscientific.com]
Row, row, row your boat...gently down the stream...merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is but a dream...
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Im going to dwelve deeper into this. Maybe some insights will pay me a visit.
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Let us know!
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V. CONCLUSION.
When James Clerk Maxwell[4] wrote the second
edition of his Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism
he included a quaternion representation of his electromagnetic equations, but he did not include both
left-hand and right-hand derivatives, and the differential
operator nabla was restricted to the 3-dimensional space
form lacking a time component, and so his work is
fundamentally different from that presented here. ()
Indeed, in the calculus of quaternions the differential
operator almost always appears on the left acting
towards the variable on the right, ignoring the other alternative. And even though, Charles Jasper Joly[5] notes
the distinction in his book A Manual of Quaternions,
the importance of the idea goes unnoticed, unexplored,
and unused. As a consequence of this, an important
field component went missing in Maxwell's Equations,
and all of modern physics has developed from there
perpetuating one of the consequences of this oversight,
namely, that the electromagnetic field possesses six
components, whereas, as we have shown, there should
be seven.
float
 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


hmm

I like that there should be seven. I am Septenary Man, after all. chuckle

Here is my thread on Maxwell's Demon.

Thread: Maxwell's Demon
Maxwell's Demon Converts Information into Energy
Maxwell proposed that a hypothetical being (later dubbed Maxwell's demon) could separate the water into two compartments and reverse the process, isolating hot molecules from cold by letting only the hotter-than-average through a trap-door between the compartments.

Because mixed water is considered more disordered (i.e. of higher entropy) than separated water, the demon has converted a system from a state of disorder to a state of order, using only information (the knowledge of which molecules were hot and cold).

That seemed to violate the law, which also states that entropy should not decrease in an isolated system. In other words, the demon should not have been able to separate the hot and cold water without expending energy.

Later Hungarian physicist Leó Szilárd proposed that the process does not violate the laws of physics, because the demon would in fact have had to expend some energy to ascertain which molecules are hot and cold.

While scientists have continued to debate the theory, never before has anyone put the experiment into action.
Recently, physicist Shoichi Toyabe of Chuo University in Japan and colleagues did just that.
[link to www.livescience.com]

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Our macroscopic experience tells us that heat is pro-
duced by two opposing agents acting, the one against the
other, rubbing as it were, as in the familiar case of me-
chanical friction, to produce the gross fire that manifests
as heat when there is contact with matter. So, when
we find the electric field is also the sum of two oppos-
ing principles, the left-handed tension acting against the
right-handed tension, we should not be surprised to find
a heat component, a more subtle fire, hiding within the
field, and emerging as heat when the field comes into
contact with charged matter.

float

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bumpbumpbump

To keep this going. Great OP.

Why do they fuck with this stuff and keep it supprested all the time. If I ruled the World things would be very different.

I am nobody's slave.
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bumpbumpbump

To keep this going. Great OP.

Why do they fuck with this stuff and keep it supprested all the time. If I ruled the World things would be very different.

I am nobody's slave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35105254


Coz there is 200 trillion dollars of fossil fuels left to sell to us :(
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Our macroscopic experience tells us that heat is pro-
duced by two opposing agents acting, the one against the
other, rubbing as it were, as in the familiar case of me-
chanical friction, to produce the gross fire that manifests
as heat when there is contact with matter. So, when
we find the electric field is also the sum of two oppos-
ing principles, the left-handed tension acting against the
right-handed tension, we should not be surprised to find
a heat component, a more subtle fire, hiding within the
field, and emerging as heat when the field comes into
contact with charged matter.

float

:red_heart:
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Opposing vortices create the friction.
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Our macroscopic experience tells us that heat is pro-
duced by two opposing agents acting, the one against the
other, rubbing as it were, as in the familiar case of me-
chanical friction, to produce the gross fire that manifests
as heat when there is contact with matter. So, when
we find the electric field is also the sum of two oppos-
ing principles, the left-handed tension acting against the
right-handed tension, we should not be surprised to find
a heat component, a more subtle fire, hiding within the
field, and emerging as heat when the field comes into
contact with charged matter.

float

red_heart
 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


Opposing vortices create the friction.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


siren2
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Our macroscopic experience tells us that heat is pro-
duced by two opposing agents acting, the one against the
other, rubbing as it were, as in the familiar case of me-
chanical friction, to produce the gross fire that manifests
as heat when there is contact with matter. So, when
we find the electric field is also the sum of two oppos-
ing principles, the left-handed tension acting against the
right-handed tension, we should not be surprised to find
a heat component, a more subtle fire, hiding within the
field, and emerging as heat when the field comes into
contact with charged matter.

float

:red_heart:
 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


Opposing vortices create the friction.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


siren2
 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


lol

:cubevortexrussel:

Synergy.
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V. CONCLUSION.
When James Clerk Maxwell[4] wrote the second
edition of his Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism
he included a quaternion representation of his electromagnetic equations, but he did not include both
left-hand and right-hand derivatives, and the differential
operator nabla was restricted to the 3-dimensional space
form lacking a time component, and so his work is
fundamentally different from that presented here. ()
Indeed, in the calculus of quaternions the differential
operator almost always appears on the left acting
towards the variable on the right, ignoring the other alternative. And even though, Charles Jasper Joly[5] notes
the distinction in his book A Manual of Quaternions,
the importance of the idea goes unnoticed, unexplored,
and unused. As a consequence of this, an important
field component went missing in Maxwell's Equations,
and all of modern physics has developed from there
perpetuating one of the consequences of this oversight,
namely, that the electromagnetic field possesses six
components, whereas, as we have shown, there should
be seven.
float
 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


Oh dear. I got all excited about this very thing when I was working on my undergrad physics degree. I taught my sell quaternion algebra and learned to do the field equations the way Maxwell intended. There is nothing missing from the modern treatment. The version that is taught at the undergrad level using vector calculus, and time-invariant solutions is only scratching the surface of E-M theory. If you use the four-vector transform (tensor), all the information you speak of is preserved. You can do the math for your self, but I think its over most peoples heads.

I suggest forgetting about the physics for a little while and just concentrate on the math, study the theory of vector calculus and why it works, and then study quaternions and how they work and carefully compare the two. You will find that that there are differences in how operations preserve and manipulate information.

Then go back to the physics and apply each mathematical approach to the same problems and it will be come obvious why Maxwell used the quaternions and why the vector calc approach is what they teach.
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I would really like to see some neutron data from these fusion experiments.

The reactions they are implying, such as D-D or D-T fusion, to have occurred, would release neutrons. I have never seen anyone reporting neutron flux as a result of their fusion experiments.
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doesnt fusion take place in a neutron generator?

[link to www.thermoscientific.com]
 Quoting: Edge Rider


Yep, it only takes about 100KeV or so to make fusion happen on a table top scale. That device is extremely slick and cool, and must incorporate some shielding.

The neutron source in my lab, is about 50 years old and consists of Pu and Be in an alloy, the Pu produces alphas that interact with the Be to produce neutrons.
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bumpbumpbump

To keep this going. Great OP.

Why do they fuck with this stuff and keep it supprested all the time. If I ruled the World things would be very different.

I am nobody's slave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35105254


bumpbumpbump

To keep this going. Great OP.

Why do they fuck with this stuff and keep it supprested all the time. If I ruled the World things would be very different.

I am nobody's slave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35105254


Coz there is 200 trillion dollars of fossil fuels left to sell to us :(
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If they were being greedy properly, they'd be selling portions of infinite free energy at relatively zero cost to them.

It's not about the money, it's about control.

What is the companion to the sphere in the next highest dimension?
rhombus will set you free...

some try to tell me thoughts they cannot defend. just what you want to be, you will be in the end!

if you can't face the truth it's probably raping you from behind.
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I would really like to see some neutron data from these fusion experiments.

The reactions they are implying, such as D-D or D-T fusion, to have occurred, would release neutrons. I have never seen anyone reporting neutron flux as a result of their fusion experiments.
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doesnt fusion take place in a neutron generator?

[link to www.thermoscientific.com]
 Quoting: Edge Rider


Yep, it only takes about 100KeV or so to make fusion happen on a table top scale. That device is extremely slick and cool, and must incorporate some shielding.

The neutron source in my lab, is about 50 years old and consists of Pu and Be in an alloy, the Pu produces alphas that interact with the Be to produce neutrons.
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Cool, you have a lab.

dribble
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[link to www.rwgrayprojects.com]

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This is when they decided to go to NURETH-11. A lawsuit was brought into the mix, and all funding got cut off and they got caught up in legal issues, which resulted in the main scientist getting debarred and discredited (no funding, etc.), though affidavits out the butt proved otherwise.

AND WHERE DO SUPPOSE SAID EQUIPMENT AND FINDINGS ARE?


HHmm....
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I would really like to see some neutron data from these fusion experiments.

The reactions they are implying, such as D-D or D-T fusion, to have occurred, would release neutrons. I have never seen anyone reporting neutron flux as a result of their fusion experiments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25276568


doesnt fusion take place in a neutron generator?

[link to www.thermoscientific.com]
 Quoting: Edge Rider


Yep, it only takes about 100KeV or so to make fusion happen on a table top scale. That device is extremely slick and cool, and must incorporate some shielding.

The neutron source in my lab, is about 50 years old and consists of Pu and Be in an alloy, the Pu produces alphas that interact with the Be to produce neutrons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25276568


Cool, you have a lab.

dribble
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I am a physicist, and I work in a lab under a single light-bulb. Nuclear physics and gamma-ray spectroscopy is my specialty.
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This guy's name is Bubbles and he is in a wraslin ring so this is Bubbles Gate


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doesnt fusion take place in a neutron generator?

[link to www.thermoscientific.com]
 Quoting: Edge Rider


Yep, it only takes about 100KeV or so to make fusion happen on a table top scale. That device is extremely slick and cool, and must incorporate some shielding.

The neutron source in my lab, is about 50 years old and consists of Pu and Be in an alloy, the Pu produces alphas that interact with the Be to produce neutrons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25276568


Cool, you have a lab.

dribble
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I am a physicist, and I work in a lab under a single light-bulb. Nuclear physics and gamma-ray spectroscopy is my specialty.
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So f-ing cool.
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V. CONCLUSION.
When James Clerk Maxwell[4] wrote the second
edition of his Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism
he included a quaternion representation of his electromagnetic equations, but he did not include both
left-hand and right-hand derivatives, and the differential
operator nabla was restricted to the 3-dimensional space
form lacking a time component, and so his work is
fundamentally different from that presented here. ()
Indeed, in the calculus of quaternions the differential
operator almost always appears on the left acting
towards the variable on the right, ignoring the other alternative. And even though, Charles Jasper Joly[5] notes
the distinction in his book A Manual of Quaternions,
the importance of the idea goes unnoticed, unexplored,
and unused. As a consequence of this, an important
field component went missing in Maxwell's Equations,
and all of modern physics has developed from there
perpetuating one of the consequences of this oversight,
namely, that the electromagnetic field possesses six
components, whereas, as we have shown, there should
be seven.
float
 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


Oh dear. I got all excited about this very thing when I was working on my undergrad physics degree. I taught my sell quaternion algebra and learned to do the field equations the way Maxwell intended. There is nothing missing from the modern treatment. The version that is taught at the undergrad level using vector calculus, and time-invariant solutions is only scratching the surface of E-M theory. If you use the four-vector transform (tensor), all the information you speak of is preserved. You can do the math for your self, but I think its over most peoples heads.

I suggest forgetting about the physics for a little while and just concentrate on the math, study the theory of vector calculus and why it works, and then study quaternions and how they work and carefully compare the two. You will find that that there are differences in how operations preserve and manipulate information.

Then go back to the physics and apply each mathematical approach to the same problems and it will be come obvious why Maxwell used the quaternions and why the vector calc approach is what they teach.
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if the operations, v, and, v, are considered representative of the forms nabla to-the-right, and, nabla to-the-left, respectively, then these expressions with the square root of nabla, acting from both sides simultaneously, could be considered the forms of nabla that act to-the-center. The modern vector analysis of Heaviside-Gibbs can then be seen as utilizing those nabla to-the-center operation ideas, extracted from the complicated quaternion calculus, and written symbolically, x v and . v, as though they were some kind of nabla to-the-right operations, whereas in fact the new forms are really algebraically 'central' operations, and neither proper left nor proper right handed expressions at all, despite appearances when written.

Of course, given that the vertical wedge, , is indeed symmetrical about the vertical, with no left hand nor any right hand suggestion being implicated in the symbol's shape, and considering that this is entirely consistent with its modern use effectively as a nabla to-the-center operator, one could argue that this was the real reason why the handed form, , was finally turned up to the vertical. This idea would have alot of merit, if only for the fact that nothing remotely suggesting this has ever appeared in the public scientific literature anywhere before.

It may seem that the new vector algebra was simply a shorthand way of writing these left-right quaternion expressions. But, the effect of the changes went deeper than this. One cannot really just combine left and right actions from Hamilton's system to make it equivalent to the new vector algebra, because the structures are so different. What we see here, when using the left-right combinations to exhibit the form of the operations in quaternions, is partly the impact of that "first" thing lost when mathematicians depreciated the value of the symbol, , by turning it around 90o, thus returning the important "polarity" to the realm of obscurity
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This is when they decided to go to NURETH-11. A lawsuit was brought into the mix, and all funding got cut off and they got caught up in legal issues, which resulted in the main scientist getting debarred and discredited (no funding, etc.), though affidavits out the butt proved otherwise.

AND WHERE DO SUPPOSE SAID EQUIPMENT AND FINDINGS ARE?


HHmm....
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I believe they got tied up during the ongoing court stuff. Then, they barred the scientist.
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V. CONCLUSION.
When James Clerk Maxwell[4] wrote the second
edition of his Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism
he included a quaternion representation of his electromagnetic equations, but he did not include both
left-hand and right-hand derivatives, and the differential
operator nabla was restricted to the 3-dimensional space
form lacking a time component, and so his work is
fundamentally different from that presented here. ()
Indeed, in the calculus of quaternions the differential
operator almost always appears on the left acting
towards the variable on the right, ignoring the other alternative. And even though, Charles Jasper Joly[5] notes
the distinction in his book A Manual of Quaternions,
the importance of the idea goes unnoticed, unexplored,
and unused. As a consequence of this, an important
field component went missing in Maxwell's Equations,
and all of modern physics has developed from there
perpetuating one of the consequences of this oversight,
namely, that the electromagnetic field possesses six
components, whereas, as we have shown, there should
be seven.
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 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


Oh dear. I got all excited about this very thing when I was working on my undergrad physics degree. I taught my sell quaternion algebra and learned to do the field equations the way Maxwell intended. There is nothing missing from the modern treatment. The version that is taught at the undergrad level using vector calculus, and time-invariant solutions is only scratching the surface of E-M theory. If you use the four-vector transform (tensor), all the information you speak of is preserved. You can do the math for your self, but I think its over most peoples heads.

I suggest forgetting about the physics for a little while and just concentrate on the math, study the theory of vector calculus and why it works, and then study quaternions and how they work and carefully compare the two. You will find that that there are differences in how operations preserve and manipulate information.

Then go back to the physics and apply each mathematical approach to the same problems and it will be come obvious why Maxwell used the quaternions and why the vector calc approach is what they teach.
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if the operations, v, and, v, are considered representative of the forms nabla to-the-right, and, nabla to-the-left, respectively, then these expressions with the square root of nabla, acting from both sides simultaneously, could be considered the forms of nabla that act to-the-center. The modern vector analysis of Heaviside-Gibbs can then be seen as utilizing those nabla to-the-center operation ideas, extracted from the complicated quaternion calculus, and written symbolically, x v and . v, as though they were some kind of nabla to-the-right operations, whereas in fact the new forms are really algebraically 'central' operations, and neither proper left nor proper right handed expressions at all, despite appearances when written.

Of course, given that the vertical wedge, , is indeed symmetrical about the vertical, with no left hand nor any right hand suggestion being implicated in the symbol's shape, and considering that this is entirely consistent with its modern use effectively as a nabla to-the-center operator, one could argue that this was the real reason why the handed form, , was finally turned up to the vertical. This idea would have alot of merit, if only for the fact that nothing remotely suggesting this has ever appeared in the public scientific literature anywhere before.

It may seem that the new vector algebra was simply a shorthand way of writing these left-right quaternion expressions. But, the effect of the changes went deeper than this. One cannot really just combine left and right actions from Hamilton's system to make it equivalent to the new vector algebra, because the structures are so different. What we see here, when using the left-right combinations to exhibit the form of the operations in quaternions, is partly the impact of that "first" thing lost when mathematicians depreciated the value of the symbol, , by turning it around 90o, thus returning the important "polarity" to the realm of obscurity
 Quoting: Le Comte de Saint Germain


No modern physicist uses the 3-d vector calc approach, this is taught as a way of familiarizing students with various mathematical techniques. The four-vector tensor transform is a good place to start, but this is also at least 50 years old.
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makes you wonder what dolphins do when to make bubles and play with them under water... Dolphins = High magi!
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makes you wonder what dolphins do when to make bubles and play with them under water... Dolphins = High magi!
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apparently, shrimp can create fusion reactions. this is prolly why BP is trying to drown all of them in sludge...
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makes you wonder what dolphins do when to make bubles and play with them under water... Dolphins = High magi!
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apparently, shrimp can create fusion reactions. this is prolly why BP is trying to drown all of them in sludge...
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I posted the video of the lil fella earlier in this thread.