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The Concept Of "Oneness" Has Been Perverted For Evil Purposes

 
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You are wrong above. The Almighty Lord related to ALL times of history, to all that ever was. The planning for this ascension is probably over one billion years old or more!
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Have you ever watched reality disappear, realize your connection to Source and watch the dream disappear in death? While the character you've lived all your life dwindles away in mere seconds and you experience death? And realize its a fabrication? That we've always had everything we've needed, everythings all in our perception, and there is nothing we could ever do that'd change who and what we truly are, that it is us and all and always shall and will be.
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And in those days because of the wickedness of mankind God will send those who reject the truth, strong delusion that the believe the lie! Watched reality dissappear? You sound just like those guys our all loving God talks about.

Always studying and debating and never coming to the knowledge of truth, hell wil be full of men like that.
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Great thread here, deserves some consideration. I could say a lot but since time is limited and I need to continue in my endeavours I will make it brief. First, I agree, Evil is a condition of good and it is exists as counterpoint, the light that broke off, as badass as radiation, but even radiation runs out of energy and that leaves good. Evil is like an illusion, you can do better, it takes effort, and its hard, evil is easier for some, or just plain indolence.

God is not concerned with individuals, God loves unconditionally (all things) Love in a general sense, but not necessarily likes. Even your parents are tasked with the thankless job of loving their smart ass children, but they do not have to like them, and vice versa.

Dawkins has some good points, Hitchens has some good points, but they only want to see it their way, they see it their way, want is a big part of it. I guess unless something strikes you hits you, strong enough to convince one of the existence of God then you will come up with arguments to support your contention. Not everyone has flashes of understanding, perspicacity or discernment. Everyone at their own place and speed along the road, some of us drive some of us walk, people in cars miss a lot of what is happening along the way

starting to get off track and take up too much of my time, thanks for reading and we'll talk again
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Well said, and I couldn't agree more. Everyone is at their own unique point in understanding and enlightenment, and as you said, they need some instance of inspiration or life changing event to convince them of God's existence, at least without proof in the force of a literal visitation by God. Thank you for sharing your thoughts :-)
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Well said by both you guys :) enjoy having good discussions. Whether opinions and views meet or not, it's always grand to share them and dive in.
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If you're not familiar - the concept of 'Oneness' calls for you to embrace both the good and the evil in the world as necessary, and to accept it as it is in order to be at peace and balance with all of existence.
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This is not the concept on "oneness" at all. It is not a matter of accepting good and evil as inherent. It is a process through which you acknowledge the fact that we are all composed of the same "intergalactic star stuff", and act based on the idea "do unto others as you would have done unto you." Because by hurting another, you hurt yourself, whether directly or indirectly. It's a movement to eliminate the evil in our world, not to embrace it.
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If that is your understanding of "oneness", then I am noticing a departure from other interpretations of it by others I have talked to, and see that there are varying degrees of understanding what "oneness" is. Your understanding of it is by far the best description I have heard to date. I think I am beginning to understand, but I would stress that you are the first to attribute the Christian concept of "do unto others..." to this concept from others I have spoken to, and there have been many.
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I suggest that you may be focusing on the wrong individuals to describe this idea to you. I no way mean that in disrespect, I just happen to know there is a fair amount of disinformation out there with regard to new ideas of how we all fit together in the universe.
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If you are referring to the extremes of BOTH good and evil, and that the unity of those concepts is the truth, you would be mistaken. God must be perceived as the one extreme of goodness in the universe, for God never created nor sanctioned the purveyance of evil. Therefore, goodness taken to it's most pure form is truth, and it is of God.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Who defines evil? After all, the Bible exhorts revenge in some instances...and yet the god of the Bible also calls on us to love our neighbour.

Someone suffers pain whilst revenge is being extracted. That sounds rather evil to me.
 Quoting: Marxist


Evil has already been defined by God for us, it is what we use as a litmus test for our laws, and it is based on the Ten Commandments as well as the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. You must remember, what you call barbaric in the bible is contained in the Old Testament, during a much less developed period in human history. God did not relate to ancient civilizations the same way He relates to us now, and so it stands to reason we would regard His actions and behavior as contained in the bible as barbaric back then, but they are taken out of context of the time. If someone suffers pain while revenge is exacted upon them, that pain was perpetrated by them on someone else. I am not saying we should start doing equally bad things to people who do them, but that is the thought process and context of the civilizations AT THAT TIME.
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It was defined by human hands writing human text. God doesn't have a pen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35210371


I suppose the story of the Ten Commandments inscribed in stone means nothing then? True, Moses was alone up there on the mountain, so we are left to take his word for what transpired there. He proclaims that it was God who either wrote His Commandments in the stones, or Moses transcribed for God. Either way, all of human civilization both past and present agree with the validity of the Ten Commandments.
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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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If you're not familiar - the concept of 'Oneness' calls for you to embrace both the good and the evil in the world as necessary, and to accept it as it is in order to be at peace and balance with all of existence.
 Quoting: Rising Son


This is not the concept on "oneness" at all. It is not a matter of accepting good and evil as inherent. It is a process through which you acknowledge the fact that we are all composed of the same "intergalactic star stuff", and act based on the idea "do unto others as you would have done unto you." Because by hurting another, you hurt yourself, whether directly or indirectly. It's a movement to eliminate the evil in our world, not to embrace it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527197


If that is your understanding of "oneness", then I am noticing a departure from other interpretations of it by others I have talked to, and see that there are varying degrees of understanding what "oneness" is. Your understanding of it is by far the best description I have heard to date. I think I am beginning to understand, but I would stress that you are the first to attribute the Christian concept of "do unto others..." to this concept from others I have spoken to, and there have been many.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I suggest that you may be focusing on the wrong individuals to describe this idea to you. I no way mean that in disrespect, I just happen to know there is a fair amount of disinformation out there with regard to new ideas of how we all fit together in the universe.
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That's exactly what I am saying, I completely agree with you :-) There have been a couple people in this thread that have explained the concept in a much easier and more understandable way that makes sense to me. In that respect, I am glad that I created this thread to "set the record straight" about the concept of oneness.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

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Have you ever watched reality disappear, realize your connection to Source and watch the dream disappear in death? While the character you've lived all your life dwindles away in mere seconds and you experience death? And realize its a fabrication? That we've always had everything we've needed, everythings all in our perception, and there is nothing we could ever do that'd change who and what we truly are, that it is us and all and always shall and will be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35210371


And in those days because of the wickedness of mankind God will send those who reject the truth, strong delusion that the believe the lie! Watched reality dissappear? You sound just like those guys our all loving God talks about.

Always studying and debating and never coming to the knowledge of truth, hell wil be full of men like that.
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If only hell were real, I might get a good tan there.

You haven't experienced death have you?

:) imagine 20 seconds that seem like 3 hours of holy shit freaking out dwindling of the mind, till complete silence and ego gone... and at that moment... pure being of consciousness and connection to all things... all perfect, all loving, and perfect... then slowly, everything fades back in, reality sets back, ego slowly returns, but is not laughable at the truth and how serious you took life beforehand.

I appreciate your discussion here. :) Been a good time chatting, regardless whether ideals meet or not. Still glad to have had this chat.
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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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If you are referring to the extremes of BOTH good and evil, and that the unity of those concepts is the truth, you would be mistaken. God must be perceived as the one extreme of goodness in the universe, for God never created nor sanctioned the purveyance of evil. Therefore, goodness taken to it's most pure form is truth, and it is of God.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Who defines evil? After all, the Bible exhorts revenge in some instances...and yet the god of the Bible also calls on us to love our neighbour.

Someone suffers pain whilst revenge is being extracted. That sounds rather evil to me.
 Quoting: Marxist


Evil has already been defined by God for us, it is what we use as a litmus test for our laws, and it is based on the Ten Commandments as well as the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. You must remember, what you call barbaric in the bible is contained in the Old Testament, during a much less developed period in human history. God did not relate to ancient civilizations the same way He relates to us now, and so it stands to reason we would regard His actions and behavior as contained in the bible as barbaric back then, but they are taken out of context of the time. If someone suffers pain while revenge is exacted upon them, that pain was perpetrated by them on someone else. I am not saying we should start doing equally bad things to people who do them, but that is the thought process and context of the civilizations AT THAT TIME.
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It was defined by human hands writing human text. God doesn't have a pen.
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Your right! He doesnt need a pen. He used His finger and burned what was important onto stone and gave it to man. Its called the ten commandments. Of which no man was able to fulfill this law! Only one.
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Oneness with God is not, though.
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Who defines evil? After all, the Bible exhorts revenge in some instances...and yet the god of the Bible also calls on us to love our neighbour.

Someone suffers pain whilst revenge is being extracted. That sounds rather evil to me.
 Quoting: Marxist


Evil has already been defined by God for us, it is what we use as a litmus test for our laws, and it is based on the Ten Commandments as well as the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. You must remember, what you call barbaric in the bible is contained in the Old Testament, during a much less developed period in human history. God did not relate to ancient civilizations the same way He relates to us now, and so it stands to reason we would regard His actions and behavior as contained in the bible as barbaric back then, but they are taken out of context of the time. If someone suffers pain while revenge is exacted upon them, that pain was perpetrated by them on someone else. I am not saying we should start doing equally bad things to people who do them, but that is the thought process and context of the civilizations AT THAT TIME.
 Quoting: Rising Son


It was defined by human hands writing human text. God doesn't have a pen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35210371


I suppose the story of the Ten Commandments inscribed in stone means nothing then? True, Moses was alone up there on the mountain, so we are left to take his word for what transpired there. He proclaims that it was God who either wrote His Commandments in the stones, or Moses transcribed for God. Either way, all of human civilization both past and present agree with the validity of the Ten Commandments.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Wasn't attempting to offend good sir.

However, if you need tablets to tell you right from wrong, I think there's a major notion to rethink our lives in the first place.

I grew up Christian and believed for a very long time, but still felt it wasn't all there. Then when the truth hit, it was like a fresh air and a huge huge gut laugh.

I respect that you believe them and have faith in them.

However, nothing from the bible or any of the other holy books holds for me now. They each have certain similarities in morals, values, and storylines that are very very close and all point towards the same thing. Can like puzzle piece match them up with bits and parts, and it'll help get really close to the picture. Just lots of metaphors that makes it easy to overanalyze, or some take them way too literal, which makes it a bit more comical.
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You are wrong above. The Almighty Lord related to ALL times of history, to all that ever was. The planning for this ascension is probably over one billion years old or more!
NOTHING is left to chance.
hf
 Quoting: completejigsaw


I agree, but God related differently to the people of the Old Testament versus how He relates to us now. That is the wonder and wisdom of God, to the point where some will question Him based on different time periods. We as people do the same thing to ourselves. Look at the judgment levied by those in contemporary times against the United States during WWII. There is so much animosity and judgment for the US dropping the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, but they fail to understand the context of the time - in that if there was an invasion of the mainland of Japan, simply based on the terrible number of casualties in the island hopping campaign, it would have cost easily over a million lives.
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If you're not familiar - the concept of 'Oneness' calls for you to embrace both the good and the evil in the world as necessary, and to accept it as it is in order to be at peace and balance with all of existence.
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I did not read beyond that statement, I do not know where you get your idea of oneness from, but this is not the spiritual oneness that I have come to know.
Either you have been reading nonsense and even less discerning it, or you have no true understanding of oneness.

Oneness does not mean accepting all that is wrong with all that is right, both are in reality concepts of the individual mind. There is truth and there is righteousness, there is untruth and corruption and accepting both is inaccurate.

Oneness in the true sense means that all of creation is created from the one source, the one source resides in all things, all that is is one because it derives from the one, exists inn the one and has all experience in the one, even though you were given you, an individual, unique piece of the one, it is still all one.
Being one means accepting that all man are brother and sister and true evolution is of the mind, of the consciousness, and with this we learn to better ourselves and perfect that which is wrong, or corrupt.

Maybe you have been reading the propaganda idea of oneness put out by the opponents of true spirituality.
Satanism is about going against Gods will and causing division and destruction and separation.
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Evil has already been defined by God for us, it is what we use as a litmus test for our laws, and it is based on the Ten Commandments as well as the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. You must remember, what you call barbaric in the bible is contained in the Old Testament, during a much less developed period in human history. God did not relate to ancient civilizations the same way He relates to us now, and so it stands to reason we would regard His actions and behavior as contained in the bible as barbaric back then, but they are taken out of context of the time. If someone suffers pain while revenge is exacted upon them, that pain was perpetrated by them on someone else. I am not saying we should start doing equally bad things to people who do them, but that is the thought process and context of the civilizations AT THAT TIME.
 Quoting: Rising Son


It was defined by human hands writing human text. God doesn't have a pen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35210371


I suppose the story of the Ten Commandments inscribed in stone means nothing then? True, Moses was alone up there on the mountain, so we are left to take his word for what transpired there. He proclaims that it was God who either wrote His Commandments in the stones, or Moses transcribed for God. Either way, all of human civilization both past and present agree with the validity of the Ten Commandments.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Wasn't attempting to offend good sir.

However, if you need tablets to tell you right from wrong, I think there's a major notion to rethink our lives in the first place.

I grew up Christian and believed for a very long time, but still felt it wasn't all there. Then when the truth hit, it was like a fresh air and a huge huge gut laugh.

I respect that you believe them and have faith in them.

However, nothing from the bible or any of the other holy books holds for me now. They each have certain similarities in morals, values, and storylines that are very very close and all point towards the same thing. Can like puzzle piece match them up with bits and parts, and it'll help get really close to the picture. Just lots of metaphors that makes it easy to overanalyze, or some take them way too literal, which makes it a bit more comical.
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Please don't worry, I am not offended - I really appreciate your civility and maturity in this discussion. What I will say is that there was need for the Ten Commandments, AT THAT TIME in history. Since they have been ingrained in our civilization for so long, becoming part and parcel of our human experience - it stands to reason that they would become second nature to us all.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Your thread title is fine. And it is the truth. Oneness is the tool of the devil.

He has always wanted to be God, but cant. So if he can make this "New Age Oneness" crap appealing and sound loving. People will be duped in to thinking and the philosophy that God Loves Evil Men too! Because they want to borrow some of what God has spoken and do their own more palatable spin off.

You know just like the New Standard Bible in print that is not so judgmental on homosexuality and mens deviant behavior.
As if it will make his judgement less certain.
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If you're not familiar - the concept of 'Oneness' calls for you to embrace both the good and the evil in the world as necessary, and to accept it as it is in order to be at peace and balance with all of existence.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I did not read beyond that statement, I do not know where you get your idea of oneness from, but this is not the spiritual oneness that I have come to know.
Either you have been reading nonsense and even less discerning it, or you have no true understanding of oneness.

Oneness does not mean accepting all that is wrong with all that is right, both are in reality concepts of the individual mind. There is truth and there is righteousness, there is untruth and corruption and accepting both is inaccurate.

Oneness in the true sense means that all of creation is created from the one source, the one source resides in all things, all that is is one because it derives from the one, exists inn the one and has all experience in the one, even though you were given you, an individual, unique piece of the one, it is still all one.
Being one means accepting that all man are brother and sister and true evolution is of the mind, of the consciousness, and with this we learn to better ourselves and perfect that which is wrong, or corrupt.

Maybe you have been reading the propaganda idea of oneness put out by the opponents of true spirituality.
Satanism is about going against Gods will and causing division and destruction and separation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35230112


Thank you for your contribution :-) You, along with several others within this thread have changed my views and opinions about the concept of Oneness. You were right - I was receiving incorrect information regarding what the concept really was, and that was mostly due to people's misunderstanding of it. Your explanation is so eloquently placed and superbly worded, I would have to say yours takes the cake! Thanks again.
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it is no mistake that EVIL is similar in its base sound as EVE which covers the EVEning .....nor a mistake that GOD said it is GOOD ......covering everything he did in the darkness of the "evening to morning" .....

GOOD and EVIL are found in the ONENESS of LEGION .....and consistent with those whose actions remain SOTTISH .....as they remain in the tree and PERISH for lack of KNOWLEDGE ......the knowledge of good and evil ......

good and evil are activators for MOVEMENT .....or the cause of men moving from the stagnation of their own thoughts whether conscious or sub-conscious ....

good and evil are both the TOOLS of ONENESS ....as it is seen as the moral conditioning of LEGION .....the multi-membered body .....

those who become ONE as Father is ONE ......become sigularaties of ONE ........similar in conditioning through LOVE with the WAY in which others become .....but not exact in their experiences of morality ....and no more participants in the oneness of LEGION....

right and wrong .....now there is another subject!
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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
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No, not really. I like you. And while saying "all is one" without understanding the gravity of it can lead to the misunderstanding or "misuse of power" you pointed out in your original post.

You shouldn't accept it as it is, but rather work to heal it. It is you, you are everything. If there is discord or disharmony between you and anything else YOU can work to heal it by realizing it is you and just being yourself while knowing this. What better way to heal ourselves then to see a reflection of ourselves through reality?

Following tis, I realize that psychopaths rule the world and I know they exist, that is a given. We're not going to overcome them on their terms, but on our terms by keeping below the radar and forming small communities- the lower layer of the pyramid will begin to fall from beneath them. This is similar to "non-violent revolution"

I was a borderline psychopath when I was younger, but luckily this 'condition' was averted before it took complete root over me. I'm just saying this to explain I know they exist and when I hear correct information about them it 'rings' truth in me. I'm still a kid so I have very strong influence among those in my group age.
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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
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Your thread title is fine. And it is the truth. Oneness is the tool of the devil.

He has always wanted to be God, but cant. So if he can make this "New Age Oneness" crap appealing and sound loving. People will be duped in to thinking and the philosophy that God Loves Evil Men too! Because they want to borrow some of what God has spoken and do their own more palatable spin off.

You know just like the New Standard Bible in print that is not so judgmental on homosexuality and mens deviant behavior.
As if it will make his judgement less certain.
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I have seen throughout this thread that people's definition and understanding of what "Oneness" actually is differs and varies greatly. There is a lot of misunderstanding and confusion, and I believe now that what started out as a unique and pure form of spirituality in understanding the universe has been perverted to accept evil. The same can be said for many religions as well, and it shows the cunning and ruthlessness of evil.
"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
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No, not really. I like you. And while saying "all is one" without understanding the gravity of it can lead to the misunderstanding or "misuse of power" you pointed out in your original post.

You shouldn't accept it as it is, but rather work to heal it. It is you, you are everything. If there is discord or disharmony between you and anything else YOU can work to heal it by realizing it is you and just being yourself while knowing this. What better way to heal ourselves then to see a reflection of ourselves through reality?

Following tis, I realize that psychopaths rule the world and I know they exist, that is a given. We're not going to overcome them on their terms, but on our terms by keeping below the radar and forming small communities- the lower layer of the pyramid will begin to fall from beneath them. This is similar to "non-violent revolution"

I was a borderline psychopath when I was younger, but luckily this 'condition' was averted before it took complete root over me. I'm just saying this to explain I know they exist and when I hear correct information about them it 'rings' truth in me. I'm still a kid so I have very strong influence among those in my group age.
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Thank you, and I couldn't agree more. As Ghandi said, we can be the change we want to see in the world. Thank you for your kind words:-)

I agree about your point regarding psychopaths - you cannot overcome evil with more evil. We must generate a power for good on our own terms, separate from the powers of evil, and work on building that instead of tearing others down. Thank you.
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Anything taken to an extreme becomes short of the truth, of the Holy Spirit, of God. In this word there is unity, (Veda), and multiplicity (Samkhya).
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If you are referring to the extremes of BOTH good and evil, and that the unity of those concepts is the truth, you would be mistaken. God must be perceived as the one extreme of goodness in the universe, for God never created nor sanctioned the purveyance of evil. Therefore, goodness taken to it's most pure form is truth, and it is of God.
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for God never created nor sanctioned the purveyance of evil?

Really?

I would believe Isaiah more than the OP.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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Anything taken to an extreme becomes short of the truth, of the Holy Spirit, of God. In this word there is unity, (Veda), and multiplicity (Samkhya).
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If you are referring to the extremes of BOTH good and evil, and that the unity of those concepts is the truth, you would be mistaken. God must be perceived as the one extreme of goodness in the universe, for God never created nor sanctioned the purveyance of evil. Therefore, goodness taken to it's most pure form is truth, and it is of God.
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for God never created nor sanctioned the purveyance of evil?

Really?

I would believe Isaiah more than the OP.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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Please read through the entire thread - this was covered a few pages back. This passage of Isaiah is largely misinterpreted by many, I believe. I take it to mean that God creates goodness, and through that, causes darkness to form, since there would be no goodness without evil. Evil is simply the absence of good, or the absence of God.
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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
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You could just add a question mark '?' at the end of 'Oneness' and leave it open-ended for the viewer to post and share his/her opinion.

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If only hell were real, I might get a good tan there.

You haven't experienced death have you?

:) imagine 20 seconds that seem like 3 hours of holy shit freaking out dwindling of the mind, till complete silence and ego gone... and at that moment... pure being of consciousness and connection to all things... all perfect, all loving, and perfect... then slowly, everything fades back in, reality sets back, ego slowly returns, but is not laughable at the truth and how serious you took life beforehand.

I appreciate your discussion here. :) Been a good time chatting, regardless whether ideals meet or not. Still glad to have had this chat.


Just because you havent seen hell or ever been there doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

And no one has experienced death and survived it except a few, to off the top of my head are Lazarus and Jesus Himself.

I hear in the end days men will possess the power through Gods Holy spirit to perform even greater miracles than Jesus did?

I as well appreciate your discussion. You asked many of the same fundamental questions many have on there mind about what is real and what is not. I as well am glad to have had this chat.

That being said, one of the most wonderful things i have found out about Gods Holy Spirit that dwells among men, is that those who possess it seldom debate or argue, but rather come into agreement over things that are true and things that are good. We are familiar with them and cherish them because they bring joy to the heart and soul which brings wisdom, strength, and honor among men. Giving us cause to rejoice over what God has imparted to us to share and strengthen others.
May God open your mind to wisdom. For what is knowledge without wisdom to applicate that which you know to be true.
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The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
 Quoting: Rising Son


You could just add a question mark '?' at the end of 'Oneness' and leave it open-ended for the viewer to post and share his/her opinion.

cool2
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Sorry, Anhedonic - I already changed it :-) What do you think of the new title?
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I love your humility and I honor you.


The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
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Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
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Your thread title is fine. And it is the truth. Oneness is the tool of the devil.

He has always wanted to be God, but cant. So if he can make this "New Age Oneness" crap appealing and sound loving. People will be duped in to thinking and the philosophy that God Loves Evil Men too! Because they want to borrow some of what God has spoken and do their own more palatable spin off.

You know just like the New Standard Bible in print that is not so judgmental on homosexuality and mens deviant behavior.
As if it will make his judgement less certain.
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I have seen throughout this thread that people's definition and understanding of what "Oneness" actually is differs and varies greatly. There is a lot of misunderstanding and confusion, and I believe now that what started out as a unique and pure form of spirituality in understanding the universe has been perverted to accept evil. The same can be said for many religions as well, and it shows the cunning and ruthlessness of evil.
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If only hell were real, I might get a good tan there.

You haven't experienced death have you?

:) imagine 20 seconds that seem like 3 hours of holy shit freaking out dwindling of the mind, till complete silence and ego gone... and at that moment... pure being of consciousness and connection to all things... all perfect, all loving, and perfect... then slowly, everything fades back in, reality sets back, ego slowly returns, but is not laughable at the truth and how serious you took life beforehand.

I appreciate your discussion here. :) Been a good time chatting, regardless whether ideals meet or not. Still glad to have had this chat.

Just because you havent seen hell or ever been there doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

And no one has experienced death and survived it except a few, to off the top of my head are Lazarus and Jesus Himself.

I hear in the end days men will possess the power through Gods Holy spirit to perform even greater miracles than Jesus did?

I as well appreciate your discussion. You asked many of the same fundamental questions many have on there mind about what is real and what is not. I as well am glad to have had this chat.

That being said, one of the most wonderful things i have found out about Gods Holy Spirit that dwells among men, is that those who possess it seldom debate or argue, but rather come into agreement over things that are true and things that are good. We are familiar with them and cherish them because they bring joy to the heart and soul which brings wisdom, strength, and honor among men. Giving us cause to rejoice over what God has imparted to us to share and strengthen others.
May God open your mind to wisdom. For what is knowledge without wisdom to applicate that which you know to be true.

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There are several people with near death experiences that have testified to the existence of hell. This one is one of my favorites, but I think my all time favorite one is a video of a pilot whose face was disfigured in a crash where he almost died and experienced hell. If someone could find that video, I'd very much appreciate them posting it here :-)



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Wholeness is NOT Oneness.
We are not everything that exists.
I am not you and you are not me.
Christ came to divide not to unite.
When you get filled with the Spirirt you become one with the Father, not one with everybody else.

The Lord God divided at the tower of Babel and Christ endores the same...division....not oneness....and certainly not Unity.
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This is how we are created in the image of God - we are creators too. We have the capability to CREATE the good in the world we wish to see.

"Psychopaths" will fall away of their own accord; they cannot survive in a world filling up with love.



The thread title is quite a loaded statement. While you are true in the content of your post, you lack understanding and true experience(it seems) of the feeling of oneness. Have you considered the possibility of you being a psychopath?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342586


Very well, point taken. Any suggestions on a better title for this thread? I will change it if it makes sense.
 Quoting: Rising Son


No, not really. I like you. And while saying "all is one" without understanding the gravity of it can lead to the misunderstanding or "misuse of power" you pointed out in your original post.

You shouldn't accept it as it is, but rather work to heal it. It is you, you are everything. If there is discord or disharmony between you and anything else YOU can work to heal it by realizing it is you and just being yourself while knowing this. What better way to heal ourselves then to see a reflection of ourselves through reality?

Following tis, I realize that psychopaths rule the world and I know they exist, that is a given. We're not going to overcome them on their terms, but on our terms by keeping below the radar and forming small communities- the lower layer of the pyramid will begin to fall from beneath them. This is similar to "non-violent revolution"

I was a borderline psychopath when I was younger, but luckily this 'condition' was averted before it took complete root over me. I'm just saying this to explain I know they exist and when I hear correct information about them it 'rings' truth in me. I'm still a kid so I have very strong influence among those in my group age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1342586


Thank you, and I couldn't agree more. As Ghandi said, we can be the change we want to see in the world. Thank you for your kind words:-)

I agree about your point regarding psychopaths - you cannot overcome evil with more evil. We must generate a power for good on our own terms, separate from the powers of evil, and work on building that instead of tearing others down. Thank you.
 Quoting: Rising Son





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