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Due to board rules, I can't link directly to the newspaper itself but it looks like it's starting to be picked up elsewhere. I'm referencing Ammoland. This actually ran over the weekend in a newspaper based out of Hanover, Pennsylvania. Here is a part:


So what is American Caesarism? It is when the political class:

- Treats peaceable citizens as suspects of crime (Patriot Act, TSA, NDAA, etc.)
- Plunders the citizens’ wealth by devaluing their savings via expansion of the money supply (inflation.) Thinkers ranging from Jefferson to Lenin wrote about this form of stealth robbery. Lenin was in favor of it. This is stealing, and the net results are no different than the forceable taking of ones valuables. Quantitative Easing makes the middle class poorer – especially seniors living off their savings.
- Repeatedly wages undeclared wars outside of our own borders, on other peoples’ lands (their property), which causes violent “blow back” (a CIA term.) In his farewell address, Dwight Eisenhower warned of the dangerous influences of the military-industrial complex. Aggressive wars make Americans materially poorer and less safe, while enriching politicians and their favored donors.
- Makes a mockery of free markets by passing and signing unreadable, incomprehensible bills which were actually written by industry lobbyists. Housing, education, and health care are now unaffordable because Congress literally lets the banking and health care industries write their own legislation.
- Allows an entrenched Robber Baron class, which is not “one percent” but actually a tenth of that, to fund both “sides” of national elections.
- Deliberately creates a Moocher class, which is nowhere near 47 percent, in order to secure party votes.
- Allowed the national debt to continually grow at a faster rate than GDP, and then claiming that net output is growing. (See Karl Denninger’s book Leverage, and his website www.market-ticker.org.) The U.S. economy has not grown based on the reinvestment of real surplus capital (savings) since before 1980. It is impossible for sustainable wealth creation to occur based on the emission of unbacked credit. What happened in 2008 was an economic prequake.
- That which cannot go on forever, won’t. History tells us that an entrenched political class will not just give up their power willingly. It is entirely possible they will turn on the citizenry, just as they did in modern democratic states like Spain, France, and Germany.


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Scary stuff. Eisenhower new what we would become.
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Scary stuff. Eisenhower new what we would become.
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Yes, and you know it's interesting...where I am is part of the "Pennsyltucky" part. There's a little gun store near me that's WAAAY back into the woods, and I guess my husband went there about 3 weeks back over the weekend and it was so packed he could not purchase anything. It was impossible, this store had so many people in it buying weapons he just could not be served. Where are you at again, I think you're north of me? I'm wondering what the vibe of your area is. I know the guy I talked to at the local Walmart in the sporting goods section said he's seeing a lot of people expressing a sentiment similar to the article of basic mistrust in the government. He's had so many similar conversations with people that it was shocking.
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Sry. to shill for mags but these are hard to get and expensive in my part of the country.
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You know, I don't know much about guns as I don't touch my husband's and I saw, for the first time, one of those magazine clips a few days ago when we went to the gun store. My husband held it up and said "Do you know what this is?" I said "It looks like one of the kids' pieces of car track." lol Thanks for posting that though, because I'm sure things are becoming more difficult to find.
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Scary stuff. Eisenhower new what we would become.
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Yes, and you know it's interesting...where I am is part of the "Pennsyltucky" part. There's a little gun store near me that's WAAAY back into the woods, and I guess my husband went there about 3 weeks back over the weekend and it was so packed he could not purchase anything. It was impossible, this store had so many people in it buying weapons he just could not be served. Where are you at again, I think you're north of me? I'm wondering what the vibe of your area is. I know the guy I talked to at the local Walmart in the sporting goods section said he's seeing a lot of people expressing a sentiment similar to the article of basic mistrust in the government. He's had so many similar conversations with people that it was shocking.
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I'm up in Pike county. I have a friend who is an FFL. He's never been as busy as he is right now. At the local gun shops they have trouble keeping guns in stock. Most of my friends tend to cling to there guns and religion. LOL! Some of them who have never been aware politically are waking up.
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Scary stuff. Eisenhower new what we would become.
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Yes, and you know it's interesting...where I am is part of the "Pennsyltucky" part. There's a little gun store near me that's WAAAY back into the woods, and I guess my husband went there about 3 weeks back over the weekend and it was so packed he could not purchase anything. It was impossible, this store had so many people in it buying weapons he just could not be served. Where are you at again, I think you're north of me? I'm wondering what the vibe of your area is. I know the guy I talked to at the local Walmart in the sporting goods section said he's seeing a lot of people expressing a sentiment similar to the article of basic mistrust in the government. He's had so many similar conversations with people that it was shocking.
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I'm up in Pike county. I have a friend who is an FFL. He's never been as busy as he is right now. At the local gun shops they have trouble keeping guns in stock. Most of my friends tend to cling to there guns and religion. LOL! Some of them who have never been aware politically are waking up.
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You're not terribly far from New York City then, about an hour and a half I'm guessing? Out of curiosity, outside of your friends, how do people lean politically up there? That is how this area is as well, but there are pockets of very progressive people that unfortunately seem able to have a good amount influence here.
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Scary stuff. Eisenhower new what we would become.
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Yes, and you know it's interesting...where I am is part of the "Pennsyltucky" part. There's a little gun store near me that's WAAAY back into the woods, and I guess my husband went there about 3 weeks back over the weekend and it was so packed he could not purchase anything. It was impossible, this store had so many people in it buying weapons he just could not be served. Where are you at again, I think you're north of me? I'm wondering what the vibe of your area is. I know the guy I talked to at the local Walmart in the sporting goods section said he's seeing a lot of people expressing a sentiment similar to the article of basic mistrust in the government. He's had so many similar conversations with people that it was shocking.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


I'm up in Pike county. I have a friend who is an FFL. He's never been as busy as he is right now. At the local gun shops they have trouble keeping guns in stock. Most of my friends tend to cling to there guns and religion. LOL! Some of them who have never been aware politically are waking up.
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You're not terribly far from New York City then, about an hour and a half I'm guessing? Out of curiosity, outside of your friends, how do people lean politically up there? That is how this area is as well, but there are pockets of very progressive people that unfortunately seem able to have a good amount influence here.
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In the last election pike went republican. But we do have a lot of New Yorkers and people from New Jersey moving up here. Some embrace the country life style. But some want it to be like Coumoland.
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Yes, and you know it's interesting...where I am is part of the "Pennsyltucky" part. There's a little gun store near me that's WAAAY back into the woods, and I guess my husband went there about 3 weeks back over the weekend and it was so packed he could not purchase anything. It was impossible, this store had so many people in it buying weapons he just could not be served. Where are you at again, I think you're north of me? I'm wondering what the vibe of your area is. I know the guy I talked to at the local Walmart in the sporting goods section said he's seeing a lot of people expressing a sentiment similar to the article of basic mistrust in the government. He's had so many similar conversations with people that it was shocking.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


I'm up in Pike county. I have a friend who is an FFL. He's never been as busy as he is right now. At the local gun shops they have trouble keeping guns in stock. Most of my friends tend to cling to there guns and religion. LOL! Some of them who have never been aware politically are waking up.
 Quoting: indiandave


You're not terribly far from New York City then, about an hour and a half I'm guessing? Out of curiosity, outside of your friends, how do people lean politically up there? That is how this area is as well, but there are pockets of very progressive people that unfortunately seem able to have a good amount influence here.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


In the last election pike went republican. But we do have a lot of New Yorkers and people from New Jersey moving up here. Some embrace the country life style. But some want it to be like Coumoland.
 Quoting: indiandave


Sounds like there's going to be a clash of ideologies in the future...it is a bit like that out here as well.
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Thanks LB!
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That a pretty concise list of what's happening...

Several Presidents have warned about this, but Eisenhower being the most correct due to timing, this current apparatus (the Military Industrial/Banking Complex) grew up in the USA after WWII, and it's been running the world every since Bretton Woods...
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Good thread. thumbs

History is repeating itself.
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Thanks LB!
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Scary stuff. Eisenhower new what we would become.
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as did our forefathers, thats why we have things like the constitution and the bill of rights. we just let to many undesierables have to big of a voice here, then we did nothing as they took the place apart piece of piece.
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You say you can't post the actual paper due to GLP rules. So...it's either a BS organization that has been banned for lies or copyright fights...or you're just plain out lying to avoid having to change a great eye catching subject line.
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Also from the link:

Looking back over the last forty or fifty centuries, governments in general have a very poor track record of protecting human rights. The 20th century was particularly atrocious in this regard – Bolshevism and Naziism produced in excess of 100 million human corpses.
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You say you can't post the actual paper due to GLP rules. So...it's either a BS organization that has been banned for lies or copyright fights...or you're just plain out lying to avoid having to change a great eye catching subject line.
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I have absolutely no reason to lie. Google The . Evening . Sun newspaper out of Hanover, Pennsylvania or try this...

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eveningsun DOT com/ci_22646223/american-caesarism-gun-control
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TY :) He's much bigger now lol
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You say you can't post the actual paper due to GLP rules. So...it's either a BS organization that has been banned for lies or copyright fights...or you're just plain out lying to avoid having to change a great eye catching subject line.
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I have absolutely no reason to lie. Google The . Evening . Sun newspaper out of Hanover, Pennsylvania or try this...

www DOT
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BTW, it ran in the Sunday edition, I have a printed paper copy as well....there's going to be a dueling rebuttal from the editor of the newspaper and one from the author published next week as well.

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This OP is one of the few that regularly brings meaningful news.
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This OP is one of the few that regularly brings meaningful news.
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TY, I'm flattered by that. It's not a huge organization like Fox or CBS or anything, BUT...the point is that there are things going on. Between sheriffs/law enforcement coming out of the woodwork, articles like this from local newspapers...people are really starting to see that something is amiss.
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Flashback...

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What is Caesarism? our readers will ask. It is neither more nor less than a revival, for the government of modern States, of the doctrines and practices of the Roman Empire in its later and worst stages -- in the days not simply of AUGUSTUS and MARCUS ANTONINUS, but of NERO, and TIBERIUS, and CALIGULA. It is, in short, an absolute and irresponsible despotism, which nods for the display of its powers, not barbarous tribes struggling feebly into civilization, but the highly cultivated, refined communities, like Rome of the second century or France of to-day; and it is the opinion of the "Caesarists" that it flourishes best on soil that has been previously prepared, like that of Rome, by democratic excesses, failures and
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Flashback...

[link to www.nytimes.com]

What is Caesarism? our readers will ask. It is neither more nor less than a revival, for the government of modern States, of the doctrines and practices of the Roman Empire in its later and worst stages -- in the days not simply of AUGUSTUS and MARCUS ANTONINUS, but of NERO, and TIBERIUS, and CALIGULA. It is, in short, an absolute and irresponsible despotism, which nods for the display of its powers, not barbarous tribes struggling feebly into civilization, but the highly cultivated, refined communities, like Rome of the second century or France of to-day; and it is the opinion of the "Caesarists" that it flourishes best on soil that has been previously prepared, like that of Rome, by democratic excesses, failures and
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WOW! I was wondering what NY Times was doing posting something like that, then realized the date: 1863 :lol: Excellent link, I'll have to read it in-depth later.

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