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Anne Frank-The Diary of a girl masturbating in the Annex.

 
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The Diary of Anne Frank is a literary production written after the war.
After the attacks on its credibility regarding ball point pen, after a period of several years, an expanded version, i.e. a so-called original version was given to the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation, which duly verified it.

This expanded version has been published as the "Critical Edition" of the Diary.
It is readilly aparent to any who read this edition, that it is not the musings of a thirteen year old.

I was struck by the mention of correspondence education allegedly taking place in the Secret Annex, surely a huge risk for detection.

But there it is on page 651 of the Critical Edition, (takes place around May 18 1944)

Quote:
What the "Secret Annex" family is interested in.
(Systematic survey of subjects being learned and reading matter).....

Mrs v.P.: learns English by correspondence, likes to read fictional biography and some novels.
....
Mrs Fr.: learns English by correspondence, reads everything except detective sotires.
....
Margot Fr.: Learns English French, Latin by correspondence, english shorthand, German shorthand, Dutch shorthand, Mechanics, Trignometry, Solid Geometry, Physics, Chemistry, Algebra, Geometry, English literature, French literature, German literature, Dutch literature, Bookkeeping, Geography, Modern History, Biology, Economics, reads everything, preferably on religion and medicine.


Very impressive, I wonder what the correspondence schools that were operating at such time.

Clearly the Germans didn't keep tabs on the post office.

It is fascinating to read this expanded draft to see the longeurs and the anachronistic attitudes that can be found.

Chief amongst these is a number of extended passages where Anne Frank describes her genitalia in some detail.

Now while woman's genitalia has not altered, the attitudes of young female teenagers to it has greatly. Although to be honest young teenagers to still tend to be quite uncomfortable about such matters. Such a lengthy description would be rather unlikely in a modern diary let along back in the prudish 1940s.

And the anatomically correct naming also seems rather unlikely.

From page 566-567

You can see exactly what a naked man looks like from photographs or pictures, but you can't with a woman. With them the sezual parts or whatever they are called are further between the legs. He probably hasn't seen a girl from so close to, to be hones I haven't either....

With us it's all pretty much divided, before I was 11 or 12 years old I didn't realise that there were two inner lips as well, you couldn't see them at all. And the funniest thing of all was that I thought that urine came out of the clitoris.

When I asked Mummy once what that stub of a thing was for, she said that she didn't know, she still pretends to be ignorant even now!

But when the subject comes up again how in heaven's name will you be able to explain what things are like without using examples? Shall I just try it out here in the meantime? Well then get on with it! From the front when you stand up you can see nothing but hair, between your legs there are things like little cushions, soft, with hair on too, which press together when you stand up so that you can't see what's inside. When you sit down they divide and inside it looks very red and ugly and fleshy.

At the top, between the big outer lips there is a little fold of skin which turns out to be a kind of little bladder on closer inspection, that is the clitoris. Then come the small inner lips, they are also pressed against each other just like a little pleat. When they open, there is a fleshy little stump inside, no bigger than the top of my thumb. the top of it is porous, there are different little holes in it and that's where the urine comes out. The lower part looks as if it's nothing but skin, but that is where the vagina is. There are little folds of skin all over the place, you can hardly find it.

And so on and on.

It all seems heavily influenced by feminist consciousness raising sessions in the 70s where women were encouraged to inspect themselves in detail with mirrors and write down what they saw.

But rather unlikely for a thirteen year old in the 1940s to suddenly find the need to record such things in her diary.

Given that Robert Faurisson's excellent research as already established the original diary was a post modern literary invention, it should be no surprise to learn that the "draft" version was an even later post modern literary invention of a "draft of a teenage girl". Amazingly this post modern draft itself because the object of extended literary exegesis.

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Yep, the Deniers found their way back.
There goes the neighbourhood.
book [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Hang on... is this an April Fools joke?
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I'm afraid not.
There actually are people who want to
believe that crap.
book [link to www.nizkor.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org]
They're all wannabe-Nazis of course.
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Why would you think Wikpedia is in any way fair, unbiased and truthful?

It is run by "jewish" guys and anyone can edit anything as long as it doesn't put jews in a bad light.

This is your rebuttal?

Good Lord man!
Just go look at the book in your library rather than continually showing how un intelligent you are
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Another source of Frank's quotes

[link to www.vaginaverite.com]
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So where is all the rebuttal?

What correspondence school did they receive their books from?

Did Anne "do it" with Peter?

Ba Ba Ba Ba Another myth bites the dust..yeah!

Ba Ba Ba Ba another myth bites the dust..yeah!
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The Halycon Daze team are always the first to jump on anything that might get folk re-examining the Holohoax.

And in fact, anything at all remotely anti-zionist.

Best advice to a newcomer?: ignore 'em and find out for yourself.
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Historian:

You always provide interesting topics for discussion this, current one included.

I admit I'm very rusty on the entire AF
affair- not having read the book since Jr. High School [although I did design a stage production thereof in the mid-70's and did some research then].

I vaguely recall the literary controversy the use of the ballpoint pen caused and isolated accuasations that the work was newer and by a different, older hand than Anne's.

Those who doubt that well-known literary works have not been hoaxed are mistaken; two spring to mind immediately: remember the much-debated 'Hitler Diaries' - and, scholars still rage over whether Shakespeare's works were in fact penned by Francis Bacon... even the Last Will and Testement of Howard Hughes was challenged and proven to be a fraud!

But Historian, here's my question: has any serious study been given to the mental state of Anne Frank during her years of concealment? Just because the little gassed-girl wrote it down doesn't mean it didn't just manifest in her mind.

More likely Anne was thinking of what correspondence classes would be most meaningful during their self-imposed confinement but just inked them down as actual facts.... or, an older feminist wrote the expanded pages [as alleged] decades later.

But, it seems logical that the stress of living like holed-up rats would cause even clear thinkers to become delusional... God knows they'd already be paranoid!

Fine topic, here!
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>>>"It is run by "jewish" guys and anyone can edit anything as long as it doesn't put jews in a bad light."<<<

We can certainly tell just how open-minded and unbiased you are...
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ewwwww i'm man and virgin and this description almost made me puke.

ewwwww
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I don't need to go to a library.
I've got it right here.
It is the readers edition of the 1986
unabridged scientific edition.
Fourth edition 1993 Bert Bakker Amsterdam.
book
If you had carefully read my link, you would
know that time and again the authenticity
has been confirmed by scientists and
courts of law.
With a bit of googling you should be
quite able to find plenty of confirmations
of those cases.
You know, research.

The sexually explicit segments were the main
reason why the unabridged edition was
published after Otto Frank's death.
Also, how the f does the OP know what
intelligent liberal educated teenage
girls write in their private diaries.
Has he ever been one?
He shouldn't equate his own uptight
background what that of others.

So she wrote her diary in draft first.
She wanted to be a WRITER.
And she had time on her hands.
Diaries in letters had been published before,
nothing 'post-modern' about it.

Correspondence.
They had friends, who helped. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
The undated entry between 16 and 19 May 1944
mentions only four corresponds courses.
Mrs. van Daan: English
Mrs. Frank: English (same course perhaps?)
Peter van Daan: French
Margot Frank: Latin
They had lots and lots of books.

You should READ.
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Fact is fact!

Zyklon Daze, go take a shower! Maybe if you're a good boy we'll give you a Tattoo!
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they do read...right up to the point where something disagrees with their tiny scope of thought, and then it must be a lie...
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The scarves still aren't helping you Bella Abzug...
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E_ABZU
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Fact is fact!

Zyklon Daze, go take a shower! Maybe if you're a good boy we'll give you a Tattoo!
_____________________________________
Fact is indeed fact.

But you wouldn't recognise one even if
it was shoved down your throat.
book
And what gave you the impression that
ANYBODY cares about you're 'opinions'.

(There is a challenge waiting for
you in the Einstein thread.)
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E_ABZU

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BTW, children don't write eloquantly. Especially when they were not going to school, and considering how archaic schooling was in those days!
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Hahahaha, a challenge from a Jew? Not likely! They wouldn't even defend themselves during WW2.
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Handwriting samples give it away in a glance.
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Quoted above:

"But, it seems logical that the stress of living like holed-up rats would cause even clear thinkers to become delusional... God knows they'd already be paranoid!

Fine topic, here!"

This is possibly the most misunderstood aspect of the entire AF story.

The family was not living like holed up rats.

Otto Frank was a businessman who dealt openly with the Nazi's.
Prior to the war, he purchased a company which sold Pectin. Although typically used in preserving fruit, the German's found it worked well as a wound sealer an an additive for fuel.

The Annex was not a secret place, it was part of a group of wealthier homes which openly faced a courtyard. Frank ran his business daily, then retired back to his home upstairs nightly.

Supposedly (although evidence is sketchy here) Otto Frank attempted to cheat the German's (possibly by shorting them on Pectin shipments) and he and his family were taken to the camps.

Everyone from the Annex died in the camps except Otto Frank who was in the Auschwitz hospital recovering from Typhus, when the russians came.
No doubt he lied about his relationship with the Germans and was soon released.



I'm sure the more rabid members of this forum will attack this vehemently, but please do some research before you do, or else I will make you look foolish.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As far as the unbiased Wikpedia

I attempted to post something on the page for well known Hollywood commies.

The person I added was both jewish and communist and played an extensive role in the creation of wartime atrocity propaganda films prior to going to Hollywood.

My offering did not last 10 minutes and a very jewish named individual emailed my about not putting such foolishness on their site.

I then lost respect for them and rarely go their.
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That is a very weak argument against its authenticity...because in the opinion of this so-called Historian, 14 yr. old girls's in the 1940's didn't inspect their genitalia ??!!
RIDICULOUS! Human Nature does not change from decade to decade....this is her DIARY , meaning PRIVATE musings...can't the idiot figure that out?
And about the reading of correspondence courses, its not surprising what the truly enterprising spirit can get their hands on... the idea of which this obviously limited author finds it hard to relate to.


and regardeless if the numbers of the holocaust were exaggerated or not, the fact is an astounding horrific number of human beings died at the hands of the nazis, most of that number comprised of Jewish individuals.

Being a highly sensitive an introspective girl gave her a writing style that belied her years.

Annne Frank ROCKED!! headbang
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E_ABZU
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BTW, children don't write eloquantly. Especially when they were not going to school, and considering how archaic schooling was in those days!
___________________________________
Since the only school you apparently
have seen the inside of was in Upper
Mongolia in 1203, how would you know.

Archaic my ass, it wasn't the Middle Ages.
In those days classical skills were
thought a lot better than today.
(Just look at me. ;) )

She wanted to be a writer.
If you had read the book you would
know that she WAS a writer.
And she would have become a GREAT one,
if she hadn't been murdered.
book
This is for the lurkers, I couldn't
care less of what the 'opinions' of
that mental midget are.
Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


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E_ABZU

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How many 15yr olds that haven't continued education for 2 years throughout history have ever written a book?

Yet Jews say this book is fraudulant => [link to aztlan.net] <=
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I don't need to go to a library.
I've got it right here.
It is the readers edition of the 1986
unabridged scientific edition.
Fourth edition 1993 Bert Bakker Amsterdam.

Halcyon Daze
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I said the writings could be found in the "Critical Edition" which was published in 1989

Here is the Amazon link
[link to www.amazon.com]

Here is the front cover

[link to www.amazon.com]

If you have any other version it is irrelevant to this discussion.
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What you have is a TRANSLATION.
book
Mine is better. So there.

(Actually, one of the copyrights is
©1986 Rijksinstitute for War Documentation.
It has a similar cover design (by Eric Nuijten).
It is the same book sans most of the
scholarly bits. Hence readers edition.
All of Annelies' writings are in it.
ISBN 90 351 0999 6)
Happy now, pedant.
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Zyklon Daze; would you like that free tattoo now?
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How many 15yr olds that haven't continued education for 2 years throughout history have ever written a book?
>>
Plenty. But you couldn't know that,
not yet being 15.
<<

Yet Jews say this book is fraudulant => Protocols of Zion.
>>
It is. Only an idiot or a blind fool,
and you appear to be both, wouldn't know.
Most other people say so too.
Just the odd Neonazi or Islamifascist
who want to believe in it, believe.
<<

Zyklon Daze; would you like that free tattoo now?
>>
You know where to stick it.
Just a little bubble of air.
Lets call it eugenics.
<<
book
Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


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Zyklon Daze; How many 15yr olds that haven't continued education for 2 years throughout history have ever written a book?
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Plenty. But you couldn't know that,


Name one??? You obviously couldn't.
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Omg guys they continued their studies while living in hiding.....before you post read the playwright or the book.
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and yes i know this is from 3 years ago.....i just dont want anyone believing this crap!

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