Anne Frank-The Diary of a girl masturbating in the Annex. | |
Halcyon Dayz User ID: 75574 Netherlands 04/01/2006 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, the Deniers found their way back. There goes the neighbourhood. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Nazis, Go Home! Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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Halcyon Dayz User ID: 75574 Netherlands 04/01/2006 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm afraid not. There actually are people who want to believe that crap. [link to www.nizkor.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] They're all wannabe-Nazis of course. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Historian (OP) User ID: 72124 Canada 04/01/2006 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why would you think Wikpedia is in any way fair, unbiased and truthful? It is run by "jewish" guys and anyone can edit anything as long as it doesn't put jews in a bad light. This is your rebuttal? Good Lord man! Just go look at the book in your library rather than continually showing how un intelligent you are |
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gsbltd User ID: 76436 United States 04/01/2006 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Historian: You always provide interesting topics for discussion this, current one included. I admit I'm very rusty on the entire AF affair- not having read the book since Jr. High School [although I did design a stage production thereof in the mid-70's and did some research then]. I vaguely recall the literary controversy the use of the ballpoint pen caused and isolated accuasations that the work was newer and by a different, older hand than Anne's. Those who doubt that well-known literary works have not been hoaxed are mistaken; two spring to mind immediately: remember the much-debated 'Hitler Diaries' - and, scholars still rage over whether Shakespeare's works were in fact penned by Francis Bacon... even the Last Will and Testement of Howard Hughes was challenged and proven to be a fraud! But Historian, here's my question: has any serious study been given to the mental state of Anne Frank during her years of concealment? Just because the little gassed-girl wrote it down doesn't mean it didn't just manifest in her mind. More likely Anne was thinking of what correspondence classes would be most meaningful during their self-imposed confinement but just inked them down as actual facts.... or, an older feminist wrote the expanded pages [as alleged] decades later. But, it seems logical that the stress of living like holed-up rats would cause even clear thinkers to become delusional... God knows they'd already be paranoid! Fine topic, here! |
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Halcyon Dayz User ID: 75574 Netherlands 04/01/2006 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't need to go to a library. I've got it right here. It is the readers edition of the 1986 unabridged scientific edition. Fourth edition 1993 Bert Bakker Amsterdam. If you had carefully read my link, you would know that time and again the authenticity has been confirmed by scientists and courts of law. With a bit of googling you should be quite able to find plenty of confirmations of those cases. You know, research. The sexually explicit segments were the main reason why the unabridged edition was published after Otto Frank's death. Also, how the f does the OP know what intelligent liberal educated teenage girls write in their private diaries. Has he ever been one? He shouldn't equate his own uptight background what that of others. So she wrote her diary in draft first. She wanted to be a WRITER. And she had time on her hands. Diaries in letters had been published before, nothing 'post-modern' about it. Correspondence. They had friends, who helped. [link to en.wikipedia.org] The undated entry between 16 and 19 May 1944 mentions only four corresponds courses. Mrs. van Daan: English Mrs. Frank: English (same course perhaps?) Peter van Daan: French Margot Frank: Latin They had lots and lots of books. You should READ. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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Halcyon Dayz User ID: 75574 Netherlands 04/01/2006 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | User ID: 75611 4/1/2006 12:10 PM Fact is fact! Zyklon Daze, go take a shower! Maybe if you're a good boy we'll give you a Tattoo! _____________________________________ Fact is indeed fact. But you wouldn't recognise one even if it was shoved down your throat. And what gave you the impression that ANYBODY cares about you're 'opinions'. (There is a challenge waiting for you in the Einstein thread.) Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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Historian User ID: 76455 Canada 04/01/2006 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoted above: "But, it seems logical that the stress of living like holed-up rats would cause even clear thinkers to become delusional... God knows they'd already be paranoid! Fine topic, here!" This is possibly the most misunderstood aspect of the entire AF story. The family was not living like holed up rats. Otto Frank was a businessman who dealt openly with the Nazi's. Prior to the war, he purchased a company which sold Pectin. Although typically used in preserving fruit, the German's found it worked well as a wound sealer an an additive for fuel. The Annex was not a secret place, it was part of a group of wealthier homes which openly faced a courtyard. Frank ran his business daily, then retired back to his home upstairs nightly. Supposedly (although evidence is sketchy here) Otto Frank attempted to cheat the German's (possibly by shorting them on Pectin shipments) and he and his family were taken to the camps. Everyone from the Annex died in the camps except Otto Frank who was in the Auschwitz hospital recovering from Typhus, when the russians came. No doubt he lied about his relationship with the Germans and was soon released. I'm sure the more rabid members of this forum will attack this vehemently, but please do some research before you do, or else I will make you look foolish. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ As far as the unbiased Wikpedia I attempted to post something on the page for well known Hollywood commies. The person I added was both jewish and communist and played an extensive role in the creation of wartime atrocity propaganda films prior to going to Hollywood. My offering did not last 10 minutes and a very jewish named individual emailed my about not putting such foolishness on their site. I then lost respect for them and rarely go their. |
BLUE DOLPHIN NLI User ID: 23706 United States 04/01/2006 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | RIDICULOUS! Human Nature does not change from decade to decade....this is her DIARY , meaning PRIVATE musings...can't the idiot figure that out? And about the reading of correspondence courses, its not surprising what the truly enterprising spirit can get their hands on... the idea of which this obviously limited author finds it hard to relate to. and regardeless if the numbers of the holocaust were exaggerated or not, the fact is an astounding horrific number of human beings died at the hands of the nazis, most of that number comprised of Jewish individuals. Being a highly sensitive an introspective girl gave her a writing style that belied her years. Annne Frank ROCKED!! |
Halcyon Dayz User ID: 75574 Netherlands 04/01/2006 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | E_ABZU User ID: 75611 4/1/2006 12:17 PM BTW, children don't write eloquantly. Especially when they were not going to school, and considering how archaic schooling was in those days! ___________________________________ Since the only school you apparently have seen the inside of was in Upper Mongolia in 1203, how would you know. Archaic my ass, it wasn't the Middle Ages. In those days classical skills were thought a lot better than today. (Just look at me. ;) ) She wanted to be a writer. If you had read the book you would know that she WAS a writer. And she would have become a GREAT one, if she hadn't been murdered. This is for the lurkers, I couldn't care less of what the 'opinions' of that mental midget are. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
E_ABZU User ID: 75611 Canada 04/01/2006 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many 15yr olds that haven't continued education for 2 years throughout history have ever written a book? Yet Jews say this book is fraudulant => [link to aztlan.net] <= |
Historian User ID: 76455 Canada 04/01/2006 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't need to go to a library. I've got it right here. It is the readers edition of the 1986 unabridged scientific edition. Fourth edition 1993 Bert Bakker Amsterdam. Halcyon Daze ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I said the writings could be found in the "Critical Edition" which was published in 1989 Here is the Amazon link [link to www.amazon.com] Here is the front cover [link to www.amazon.com] If you have any other version it is irrelevant to this discussion. |
Halcyon Dayz User ID: 75574 Netherlands 04/01/2006 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you have is a TRANSLATION. Mine is better. So there. (Actually, one of the copyrights is ©1986 Rijksinstitute for War Documentation. It has a similar cover design (by Eric Nuijten). It is the same book sans most of the scholarly bits. Hence readers edition. All of Annelies' writings are in it. ISBN 90 351 0999 6) Happy now, pedant. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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Halcyon Dayz User ID: 75574 Netherlands 04/01/2006 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | E_ABZU User ID: 75611 4/1/2006 12:37 PM How many 15yr olds that haven't continued education for 2 years throughout history have ever written a book? >> Plenty. But you couldn't know that, not yet being 15. << Yet Jews say this book is fraudulant => Protocols of Zion. >> It is. Only an idiot or a blind fool, and you appear to be both, wouldn't know. Most other people say so too. Just the odd Neonazi or Islamifascist who want to believe in it, believe. << Zyklon Daze; would you like that free tattoo now? >> You know where to stick it. Just a little bubble of air. Lets call it eugenics. << Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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