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Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first

 
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NO EU NO PEACE!
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you mean EU like Holy Roman Empire? IV Reich?..

Are you gonna bomb London again?
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The dutch were also part of the holy roman empire.

Good old times.
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Yeah.. Inquisition and sht. :))

Thank God for Italians.. They brought us Humanism and Renaissance :)
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German elites have an obligation to their pockets. The EU project is now past its sell by date...communists have been defeated and caps have won. Useful as a common market for retailing however.
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Communists always lose, simply because they have a retarded philosophy that never works. Capiatlists love communists, because they are easy prey once reality comes rolling.
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There are no communists... only in history books.

There is another word describing better current situation. Fascism. just like in USA as well. They are all fascists and left and right and middle.
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Fascists don't lick jewish ass, mate.
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Fascists lick industrialists arse. The Jewish thing was a con to get Germans behind in trying to replace the British Empire. Future fascists will strut pre-election and then play the game post. But hey...go vote in a fascist 'cos I am sure he so loves you he will forego all those capitalist bribes. Hahahahahaha
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NO EU NO PEACE!
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you mean EU like Holy Roman Empire? IV Reich?..

Are you gonna bomb London again?


The dutch were also part of the holy roman empire.

Good old times.

Yeah.. Inquisition and sht. :
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ank God for Italians.. They brought us Humanism and Renaissance :)
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you really dutch or some foreigener residing in duch-land?
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The Central Bank of Germany, the Deutsche Bundesbank, issues the Euro - at a price.
The Euro note is a note payable.
Germany OWNS the E.U.
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Merkel is a sow
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Communists always lose, simply because they have a retarded philosophy that never works. Capiatlists love communists, because they are easy prey once reality comes rolling.
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There are no communists... only in history books.

There is another word describing better current situation. Fascism. just like in USA as well. They are all fascists and left and right and middle.
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Fascists don't lick jewish ass, mate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33724411


Fascists lick industrialists arse. The Jewish thing was a con to get Germans behind in trying to replace the British Empire. Future fascists will strut pre-election and then play the game post. But hey...go vote in a fascist 'cos I am sure he so loves you he will forego all those capitalist bribes. Hahahahahaha
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Jews are maybe the biggest cover story for those oligarchic elits. Jews are not Masters of their destinies for a long time already mate..All that Jews story is one big bla bla..in my opinion.
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The Central Bank of Germany, the Deutsche Bundesbank, issues the Euro - at a price.
The Euro note is a note payable.
Germany OWNS the E.U.
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stiil the people can kill the eu by voting against it.
there is nothing germany could do about it.
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Communists always lose, simply because they have a retarded philosophy that never works. Capiatlists love communists, because they are easy prey once reality comes rolling.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33724411


There are no communists... only in history books.

There is another word describing better current situation. Fascism. just like in USA as well. They are all fascists and left and right and middle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23058480


Fascists don't lick jewish ass, mate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33724411


Fascists lick industrialists arse. The Jewish thing was a con to get Germans behind in trying to replace the British Empire. Future fascists will strut pre-election and then play the game post. But hey...go vote in a fascist 'cos I am sure he so loves you he will forego all those capitalist bribes. Hahahahahaha
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Sure, if push comes to shove, i'm voting for the fascists, no rpoblem there as long as they get rid of your kind. I'm surely not voting communist, as I don't want my business to be seized by your retarded commie friends.
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The Central Bank of Germany, the Deutsche Bundesbank, issues the Euro - at a price.
The Euro note is a note payable.
Germany OWNS the E.U.
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We don't have Euro's :O)
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There are no communists... only in history books.

There is another word describing better current situation. Fascism. just like in USA as well. They are all fascists and left and right and middle.
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Fascists don't lick jewish ass, mate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33724411


Fascists lick industrialists arse. The Jewish thing was a con to get Germans behind in trying to replace the British Empire. Future fascists will strut pre-election and then play the game post. But hey...go vote in a fascist 'cos I am sure he so loves you he will forego all those capitalist bribes. Hahahahahaha
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Jews are maybe the biggest cover story for those oligarchic elits. Jews are not Masters of their destinies for a long time already mate..All that Jews story is one big bla bla..in my opinion.
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Jews, run the western elites.

Thread: jewish people DO control the media... -THE TIMES OF ISRAEL Online Newspaper!

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I'm really going to bed NOW. Muchos lovus.
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How do I log out so it looks like I'm not here anymore..?
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I hope you're right. I hope the bell tolls for the EU. I thought the first blow would come from Greece. Bump for Italy. I hope you're right, OP. All best.
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Why would an american care if the euro cease existing or not ?
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If the euro goes down, it will affect all markets around the world.
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NO EU NO PEACE!
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The vote at the time for the EU in France was NO to the EU.

Politicians ignored that.

I know the spanish do not want it anymore either. And the vote in Italy was clear.

So, my german friend, who is going first to stop this madness called EURO ?

You ? Us ?
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the only ones able to sop it are the voting people.
by voting non eu friendly partys.
as you can see that is a risky thing.
our elites already threatened war and i dont think they are joking.

crazy shit.

that is not the will of the people btw.....
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No, they did not, you are talking bullshit.

You will vote one more time for Merkel. And before it all ends, with her there will be Eurobonds.

And If you vote SPD, there will be Eurobonds.

And when this shit will end, finally, perhaps, your people will riot on the street like the greece people or the spanish.

Don't worry, What goes around ... comes around.



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Euro has been dead since it's creation, no bubble lasts for long, especially the ones that lack the foundations to sustain the bubble-effect for bigger periods of time, off course all this by design in what con-artists would describe as the perfect scam, about time if you ask me.

eurozoneout
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How do I log out so it looks like I'm not here anymore..?
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Take a beer, and burn the computer.
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There are no communists... only in history books.

There is another word describing better current situation. Fascism. just like in USA as well. They are all fascists and left and right and middle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23058480


Fascists don't lick jewish ass, mate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33724411


Fascists lick industrialists arse. The Jewish thing was a con to get Germans behind in trying to replace the British Empire. Future fascists will strut pre-election and then play the game post. But hey...go vote in a fascist 'cos I am sure he so loves you he will forego all those capitalist bribes. Hahahahahaha
 Quoting: Marxist


Sure, if push comes to shove, i'm voting for the fascists, no rpoblem there as long as they get rid of your kind. I'm surely not voting communist, as I don't want my business to be seized by your retarded commie friends.
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Ah...if you own a business, and you have the nouse to grow it, you will outsource mate, and suddenly become cosmopolitan. If you're a loser, don't depend on fascism for a crutch. The bribes are waaay better.
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How do I log out so it looks like I'm not here anymore..?
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Take a beer, and burn the computer.
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Just so long as they don't take back the patent on pizza!
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I hope you're right. I hope the bell tolls for the EU. I thought the first blow would come from Greece. Bump for Italy. I hope you're right, OP. All best.
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Why would an american care if the euro cease existing or not ?
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because when 1 falls they/we all fall!!!.
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I hope you're right. I hope the bell tolls for the EU. I thought the first blow would come from Greece. Bump for Italy. I hope you're right, OP. All best.
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Why would an american care if the euro cease existing or not ?
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If the euro goes down, it will affect all markets around the world.
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EVERYTHING "affect all markets". If the Pope got a case of the crabs, it would effect the the Stock Market1rof1for a day or two1dunno1
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How do I log out so it looks like I'm not here anymore..?
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Take a beer, and burn the computer.
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5a
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tell the creditors all to fuck off and start an new monetary system... interest free..
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Jubilee!

"This fiftieth year is sacred—it is a time of freedom and of celebration when everyone will receive back their original property, and slaves will return home to their families. "
—Leviticus 25:1

In other words, all debt is required to be canceled every 50th year.

When you don't have the cancellation factor set in place, then the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and there is no way out.
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Euro has been dead since it's creation, no bubble lasts for long, especially the ones that lack the foundations to sustain the bubble-effect for bigger periods of time, off course all this by design in what con-artists would describe as the perfect scam, about time if you ask me.

:eurozoneout:
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right!

Loser from day one,

especially since it was done out of jealousy and under mistaken identitylolsign
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How do I log out so it looks like I'm not here anymore..?
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Take a beer, and burn the computer.
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this1
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The top do all the buying and selling...Italy is beng used as cover.

Italy is a consequence not the cause.

The top promotes effects as causes to hide behind.
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I never understood why the people of Europe went for this shit in the first place...

Here's the bottom line...the more centralized your government, the less freedom you have...
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The final conclusion of the italy vote is, that the people voted against austerity and against what they see as the dictatorship of the markets.

That are the repercussions:


1) The way out of the debt problem, was invented in Brussels, with the northern states and with the banks.

It says, that the way out of the crisis is to reduce the level of state spending to the level of incoming tax money + 3% more debts.

2) This concept looked good on paper, reassured the markets, let the BMP fell, reforms were being voted in, and means of increasing the state budget were put into place.

3) The reforms, put into place by the states, taxed the normal people, state reforms, meaning reducing the state footprint against the GDP, were not in consideration and were thus not put into place.

4) Italien people voted against this politics. Probably others will follow in europe in the next years to come.

Political systems are about to being crushed, parties will cease to exist, others will emerge, old systems will disappear, new ones will emerge.

5) That looks good, on the first sight. But my interest here is to analyze the impact on the euro zone.

My conclusion:


The italian vote was the death bell for the euro.

You cannot make politics against the people. People do not accept the white paper of the banks and the EU bureaucrats.

Eventually states will leave the euro zone and the EU Brussels burocrats, they will say:

I vote for a government, I want my own state money, and I want to vote again in some years, judging on what has been done.

But I do not want to bleed for a common currency and neither for ideas and measerement put into place by a far away brussel technocrat machinery, which nobody knows.

The euro is history, it is a living dinosaur. Now lets enjoy the end game.
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In mathematics, the exponential function is the function ex, where e is the number (approximately 2.718281828) such that the function ex is its own derivative.[1][2] The exponential function is used to model a relationship in which a constant change in the independent variable gives the same proportional change (i.e. percentage increase or decrease) in the dependent variable. The function is often written as exp(x), especially when it is impractical to write the independent variable as a superscript. The exponential function is widely used in physics, chemistry, engineering, mathematical biology, economics and mathematics.
Exponential Function
Representation e^x \,
Inverse \ln x \,
Derivative e^x \,
Indefinite Integral e^x + C \,

The graph of y = ex is upward-sloping, and increases faster as x increases. The graph always lies above the x-axis but can get arbitrarily close to it for negative x; thus, the x-axis is a horizontal asymptote. The slope of the tangent to the graph at each point is equal to its y coordinate at that point. The inverse function is the natural logarithm ln(x); because of this, some old texts[3] refer to the exponential function as the antilogarithm.

Sometimes the term exponential function is used more generally for functions of the form cbx, where the base b is any positive real number, not necessarily e. See exponential growth for this usage.

In general, the variable x can be any real or complex number, or even an entirely different kind of mathematical object; see the formal definition Overview

The exponential function arises whenever a quantity grows or decays at a rate proportional to its current value. One such situation is continuously compounded interest, and in fact it was this that led Jacob Bernoulli in 1683[4] to the number

\lim_{n \to \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^n,

now known as e. Later, in 1697, Johann Bernoulli studied the calculus of the exponential function.[4]

If a principal amount of 1 earns interest at an annual rate of x compounded monthly, then the interest earned each month is x/12 times the current value, so each month the total value is multiplied by (1+x/12), and the value at the end of the year is (1+x/12)12. If instead interest is compounded daily, this becomes (1+x/365)365. Letting the number of time intervals per year grow without bound leads to the limit definition of the exponential function,

\exp(x) = \lim_{n\to\infty}\left(1+\frac{x}{n}\right)^{n},

first given by Euler.[5] This is one of a number of characterizations of the exponential function; others involve series or differential equations.

From any of these definitions it can be shown that the exponential function obeys the basic exponentiation identity,

\exp(x+y) = \exp(x) \cdot \exp(y),

which is why it can be written as ex.

The derivative (rate of change) of the exponential function is the exponential function itself. More generally, a function with a rate of change proportional to the function itself (rather than equal to it) is expressible in terms of the exponential function. This function property leads to exponential growth and exponential decay.

The exponential function extends to an entire function on the complex plane. Euler's formula relates its values at purely imaginary arguments to trigonometric functions. The exponential function also has analogues for which the argument is a matrix, or even an element of a Banach algebra or a Lie algebra.




In mathematics, a system of linear equations (or linear system) is a collection of linear equations involving the same set of variables. For example,

\begin{alignat}{7} 3x &&\; + \;&& 2y &&\; - \;&& z &&\; = \;&& 1 & \\ 2x &&\; - \;&& 2y &&\; + \;&& 4z &&\; = \;&& -2 & \\ -x &&\; + \;&& \tfrac{1}{2} y &&\; - \;&& z &&\; = \;&& 0 & \end{alignat}

is a system of three equations in the three variables x, y, z. A solution to a linear system is an assignment of numbers to the variables such that all the equations are simultaneously satisfied. A solution to the system above is given by

\begin{alignat}{2} x & = & 1 \\ y & = & -2 \\ z & = & -2 \end{alignat}

since it makes all three equations valid.[1]

In mathematics, the theory of linear systems is the basis and a fundamental part of linear algebra, a subject which is used in most parts of modern mathematics. Computational algorithms for finding the solutions are an important part of numerical linear algebra, and play a prominent role in engineering, physics, chemistry, computer science, and economics. A system of non-linear equations can often be approximated by a linear system (see linearization), a helpful technique when making a mathematical model or computer simulation of a relatively complex system.

Very often, the coefficients of the equations are real or complex numbers and the solutions are searched in the same set of numbers, but the theory and the algorithms apply for coefficients and solutions in any field. For solutions in an integral domain like the ring of the integers, or in other algebraic structures, other theories have been developed. See, for example, integer linear programming for integer solutions, Gröbner basis for polynomial coefficients and unknowns, or also tropical geometry for linear algebra in a more exotic structure.


Exponential growth occurs when the growth rate of the value of a mathematical function is proportional to the function's current value. Exponential decay occurs in the same way when the growth rate is negative. In the case of a discrete domain of definition with equal intervals it is also called geometric growth or geometric decay (the function values form a geometric progression). The exponential growth model is also known as the Malthusian growth model.

The formula for exponential growth of a variable x at the (positive or negative) growth rate r, as time t goes on in discrete intervals (that is, at integer times 0, 1, 2, 3, ...), is

x_t = x_0(1+r)^t

where x0 is the value of x at time 0. For example, with a growth rate of r = 5% = 0.05, going from any integer value of time to the next integer causes x at the second time to be 1.05 times (i.e., 5% larger than) what it was at the previous time.


Biology

The number of microorganisms in a culture will increase exponentially until an essential nutrient is exhausted. Typically the first organism splits into two sister organisms, who then each split to form four, who split to form eight, and so on.
A virus (for example SARS, or smallpox) typically will spread exponentially at first, if no artificial immunization is available. Each infected person can infect multiple new people.
Human population, if the number of births and deaths per person per year were to remain at current levels (but also see logistic growth). For example, according to the United States Census Bureau, over the last 100 years (1910 to 2010), the population of the United States of America is exponentially increasing at an average rate of one and a half percent a year (1.5%). This means that the doubling time of the American population (depending on the yearly growth in population) is approximately 50 years.[1]
Many responses of living beings to stimuli, including human perception, are logarithmic responses, which are the inverse of exponential responses; the loudness and frequency of sound are perceived logarithmically, even with very faint stimulus, within the limits of perception. This is the reason that exponentially increasing the brightness of visual stimuli is perceived by humans as a linear increase, rather than an exponential increase. This has survival value. Generally it is important for the organisms to respond to stimuli in a wide range of levels, from very low levels, to very high levels, while the accuracy of the estimation of differences at high levels of stimulus is much less important for survival.


Conclusion

In natural law eternal exponential growth is not possible.

Economists do not really understand natural laws and therefor there will be soon a collapse of the economical system or financial system. The humans are dependent on natural ressources, without natural ressources huamn will be able to survive.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
Euro has been dead since it's creation, no bubble lasts for long, especially the ones that lack the foundations to sustain the bubble-effect for bigger periods of time, off course all this by design in what con-artists would describe as the perfect scam, about time if you ask me.

eurozoneout
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right!

Loser from day one,

especially since it was done out of jealousy and under mistaken identitylolsign
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chuckle

Loser from day one indeed, most economists of that time and important political figures had their doubts about it, you can't go monetary union without having other key common political and financial legislation, it was retarded, rich got richer, poor got poorer, and we have some weird dudes now in Brussels that have amassed an amazing amount of power.

Don't get me wrong EU and a trade union is not a bad idea at all, it's true that we all got closer as people with EU, but the Brusseltards decided to make this political to gather even more power in the process, when in reality this is a financial issue, we don't need more EU, we need less EU so we can all regroup ourselves, there's no point of keep heading this way when it is evident that social unrest is imminent in many countries, if euro dies doesn't mean that EU dies too, we have a great chance to end this joke right now before the tards decide to make this even more political and intergrational, that's their agenda here.
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The EU would like nothing more than to see Italy leave. Unfortunately, it isn't a choice they can actively make without consequences.

Where are most of the counterfeit Euros manufactured? Italy.

Who has the most counterfeit coin circulating through their country? Italy.

Which national bank has the least control (and least will to control) the validity of the currency in circulation? Italy.

Which nation is among the top producers of poorly minted currency? Italy.

Bundes Bank is one of the few institutions attempting to give a damn. The main issue isn't a lack of sovereign currency. The issue is with individual members not giving a crap about their currency in general. They can no longer artificially inflate their currencies, and cry foul because they have to play by the rules.

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