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Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first

 
Saddletramp
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If the people of Europe wanted to unite under one totalitarian government banner so bad, how come they fought back against Hitler?!?!?
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If the people of Europe wanted to unite under one totalitarian government banner so bad, how come they fought back against Hitler?!?!?
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Don't forget Hitler also wanted to concquer the world!

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the reason why we have problems in eu is because we have 20 governements deciding what to do in eu.

^see the problem

now solution is simple one governement one people one president like the american system.

then europe will be the strongest nation in the world

banana2
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
EURO ALREADY DEAD !!
ITALY JUST WILL HELP TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT !!
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If the people of Europe wanted to unite under one totalitarian government banner so bad, how come they fought back against Hitler?!?!?
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Don't forget Hitler also wanted to concquer the world!

iamwith
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And you think the same people that organized the European Union and the Eurozone don't want to conquer the world?!?!?

Last Edited by Saddletramp on 02/26/2013 08:38 PM
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
the reason why we have problems in eu is because we have 20 governements deciding what to do in eu.

^see the problem

now solution is simple one governement one people one president like the american system.

then europe will be the strongest nation in the world

banana2
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Fuck off you belgian twat
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If the people of Europe wanted to unite under one totalitarian government banner so bad, how come they fought back against Hitler?!?!?
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Most of them didn't
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Yes Italians want to leave Euro, but do you believe that will thay let to do us???
I'm sure not.... after Presidential election (not by the people) they will make new Political Election...
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euro was the most retarded thing ever. Give back my gulden Zalm!!!
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
The Euro is another Socialist/Marxist idea destined to ruin millions of lives. The last gasps of Socialism will look like the Titanic going under water.
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The Euro is generally a good idea.


Like the dollar, you have a vast territory, very different economic situations in every single state, but a dollar that works well.

Whats the difference to Europe ?


1) we have no political integration
2) no common financial / budget policies
3) no means to handle a bancruptcy of a state like Greece

The problem is what ?


The southern states do not want to integrate, because lying closer to the northern country center, which is very heavy, means you loose power.

The northern states do not want eurobonds (eurobonds would mean kicking the can further down the road btw).

Game over. Exit.
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The main problem is that Europe has a unified currency but they don't have a unified Debt market (Bonds). How fucking stupid is that.
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Exactly.

How could you set up a money system (for an entire continent) - indeed, one to become of great international significance, with a common unit of exchange - yet not have common (interstate) fiscal/budgeting and debt/borrowing systems within it..and expect it to hold together long term?

Answer? You couldn't! and wouldn't! (expect it to hold)

THAT IS MY POINT.

THIS (THE EURO) WAS SET UP TO FAIL.

FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

ANSWER? TO EVENTUALLY COLLAPSE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF (THEN) COLLAPSING THE USD, WHICH WILL INDEED OCCUR AFTER THE EURO COLLAPSES. (THERE'S NO AVOIDING THIS...AS THE USD BACKSTOPS THE EUROPEAN DEBT MARKETS, THROUGH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE SWAP CURRENCY/DEPOSIT ARRANGEMENTS AND TRILLIONS IN LEVERED DEVIVATIVES. THIS HAS BEEN ANTICIPATED BY MANY, INCLUDING CHINA; INDEED, SEEMINGLY MOST - BUT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, (OF COURSE) - HENCE THEIR (CHINA'S) BILATERAL TRADE ARANGEMENTS WITH DOZENS OF COUNTRIES NOW, REPRESENTING MORE THAN HALF OF GLOBAL GDP (W/O THE USD)).

Praise God forever and ever
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02/26/2013 11:01 PM
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THAT IS MY POINT.

THIS (THE EURO) WAS SET UP TO FAIL.

FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

ANSWER? TO EVENTUALLY COLLAPSE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF (THEN) COLLAPSING THE USD, WHICH WILL INDEED OCCUR AFTER THE EURO COLLAPSES. (THERE'S NO AVOIDING THIS...AS THE USD BACKSTOPS THE EUROPEAN DEBT MARKETS, THROUGH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE SWAP CURRENCY/DEPOSIT ARRANGEMENTS AND TRILLIONS IN LEVERED DEVIVATIVES. THIS HAS BEEN ANTICIPATED BY MANY, INCLUDING CHINA; INDEED, SEEMINGLY MOST - BUT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, (OF COURSE) - HENCE THEIR (CHINA'S) BILATERAL TRADE ARANGEMENTS WITH DOZENS OF COUNTRIES NOW, REPRESENTING MORE THAN HALF OF GLOBAL GDP (W/O THE USD)).

Praise God forever and ever
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Funny how you can believe so firmly in your financial logic, while at the same time praising a mythical deity who seems indifferent on the matter.
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02/26/2013 11:16 PM
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
actually msm has been saying it for quite some time.
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THAT IS MY POINT.

THIS (THE EURO) WAS SET UP TO FAIL.

FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

ANSWER? TO EVENTUALLY COLLAPSE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF (THEN) COLLAPSING THE USD, WHICH WILL INDEED OCCUR AFTER THE EURO COLLAPSES. (THERE'S NO AVOIDING THIS...AS THE USD BACKSTOPS THE EUROPEAN DEBT MARKETS, THROUGH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE SWAP CURRENCY/DEPOSIT ARRANGEMENTS AND TRILLIONS IN LEVERED DEVIVATIVES. THIS HAS BEEN ANTICIPATED BY MANY, INCLUDING CHINA; INDEED, SEEMINGLY MOST - BUT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, (OF COURSE) - HENCE THEIR (CHINA'S) BILATERAL TRADE ARANGEMENTS WITH DOZENS OF COUNTRIES NOW, REPRESENTING MORE THAN HALF OF GLOBAL GDP (W/O THE USD)).

Praise God forever and ever
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Funny how you can believe so firmly in your financial logic, while at the same time praising a mythical deity who seems indifferent on the matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118


On the contrary...

He's anything but indifferent!

He's allowing the (plan of the ages) to play out - indeed foretold (before hand) - to bring maximum glory (in time) to Him, the Mater Designer, and to show to us (the Redeemed):

"That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace, in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."

Friend, do you know what the word (translated in english for "ages") per this above verse in Ephesians, means?

It means "eternal, with great variety!"

Be ready.

He has the door open for you...even still.

Praise God forever and ever
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02/26/2013 11:50 PM
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THAT IS MY POINT.

THIS (THE EURO) WAS SET UP TO FAIL.

FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

ANSWER? TO EVENTUALLY COLLAPSE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF (THEN) COLLAPSING THE USD, WHICH WILL INDEED OCCUR AFTER THE EURO COLLAPSES. (THERE'S NO AVOIDING THIS...AS THE USD BACKSTOPS THE EUROPEAN DEBT MARKETS, THROUGH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE SWAP CURRENCY/DEPOSIT ARRANGEMENTS AND TRILLIONS IN LEVERED DEVIVATIVES. THIS HAS BEEN ANTICIPATED BY MANY, INCLUDING CHINA; INDEED, SEEMINGLY MOST - BUT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, (OF COURSE) - HENCE THEIR (CHINA'S) BILATERAL TRADE ARANGEMENTS WITH DOZENS OF COUNTRIES NOW, REPRESENTING MORE THAN HALF OF GLOBAL GDP (W/O THE USD)).

Praise God forever and ever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151




Funny how you can believe so firmly in your financial logic, while at the same time praising a mythical deity who seems indifferent on the matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118


On the contrary...

He's anything but indifferent!

He's allowing the (plan of the ages) to play out - indeed foretold (before hand) - to bring maximum glory (in time) to Him, the Mater Designer, and to show to us (the Redeemed):

"That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace, in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."

Friend, do you know what the word (translated in english for "ages") per this above verse in Ephesians, means?

It means "eternal, with great variety!"

Be ready.

He has the door open for you...even still.

Praise God forever and ever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151



I was told there would be virgins.
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THAT IS MY POINT.

THIS (THE EURO) WAS SET UP TO FAIL.

FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

ANSWER? TO EVENTUALLY COLLAPSE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF (THEN) COLLAPSING THE USD, WHICH WILL INDEED OCCUR AFTER THE EURO COLLAPSES. (THERE'S NO AVOIDING THIS...AS THE USD BACKSTOPS THE EUROPEAN DEBT MARKETS, THROUGH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE SWAP CURRENCY/DEPOSIT ARRANGEMENTS AND TRILLIONS IN LEVERED DEVIVATIVES. THIS HAS BEEN ANTICIPATED BY MANY, INCLUDING CHINA; INDEED, SEEMINGLY MOST - BUT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, (OF COURSE) - HENCE THEIR (CHINA'S) BILATERAL TRADE ARANGEMENTS WITH DOZENS OF COUNTRIES NOW, REPRESENTING MORE THAN HALF OF GLOBAL GDP (W/O THE USD)).

Praise God forever and ever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151




Funny how you can believe so firmly in your financial logic, while at the same time praising a mythical deity who seems indifferent on the matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118


On the contrary...

He's anything but indifferent!

He's allowing the (plan of the ages) to play out - indeed foretold (before hand) - to bring maximum glory (in time) to Him, the Mater Designer, and to show to us (the Redeemed):

"That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace, in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."

Friend, do you know what the word (translated in english for "ages") per this above verse in Ephesians, means?

It means "eternal, with great variety!"

Be ready.

He has the door open for you...even still.

Praise God forever and ever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151



I was told there would be virgins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118


The door is still open...confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead and thou shalt be saved.

Remember, the angels didn't get multiple chances for their rebellion/sin against their maker: one and that was it.

But you have grace from your creator (because He made YOU in His image)...but only for a time; and none of us know when the time is up.

Praise God
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
the reason why we have problems in eu is because we have 20 governements deciding what to do in eu.

^see the problem

now solution is simple one governement one people one president like the american system.

then europe will be the strongest nation in the world

banana2
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Fuck off you belgian twat
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dont be too harsh on the poor little wafflehead. he lives in a tiny non-country with no govt
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Funny how you can believe so firmly in your financial logic, while at the same time praising a mythical deity who seems indifferent on the matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118


On the contrary...

He's anything but indifferent!

He's allowing the (plan of the ages) to play out - indeed foretold (before hand) - to bring maximum glory (in time) to Him, the Mater Designer, and to show to us (the Redeemed):

"That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace, in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."

Friend, do you know what the word (translated in english for "ages") per this above verse in Ephesians, means?

It means "eternal, with great variety!"

Be ready.

He has the door open for you...even still.

Praise God forever and ever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151



I was told there would be virgins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118


The door is still open...confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead and thou shalt be saved.

Remember, the angels didn't get multiple chances for their rebellion/sin against their maker: one and that was it.

But you have grace from your creator (because He made YOU in His image)...but only for a time; and none of us know when the time is up.

Praise God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151


goaway
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while everyone watchs the euro, petro-dollar will fall. blackfriday coming
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
the reason why we have problems in eu is because we have 20 governements deciding what to do in eu.

^see the problem

now solution is simple one governement one people one president like the american system.

then europe will be the strongest nation in the world

banana2
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Fuck off you belgian twat
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dont be too harsh on the poor little wafflehead. he lives in a tiny non-country with no govt
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Who happens to be right.
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On the contrary...

He's anything but indifferent!

He's allowing the (plan of the ages) to play out - indeed foretold (before hand) - to bring maximum glory (in time) to Him, the Mater Designer, and to show to us (the Redeemed):

"That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace, in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."

Friend, do you know what the word (translated in english for "ages") per this above verse in Ephesians, means?

It means "eternal, with great variety!"

Be ready.

He has the door open for you...even still.

Praise God forever and ever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151



I was told there would be virgins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5327118


The door is still open...confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead and thou shalt be saved.

Remember, the angels didn't get multiple chances for their rebellion/sin against their maker: one and that was it.

But you have grace from your creator (because He made YOU in His image)...but only for a time; and none of us know when the time is up.

Praise God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25140151


goaway
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34765812


AC from the UK...

I will honor your request and "goaway" from this thread.

But remember, the two subjects of my series of posts with this thread (on the Euro and on the spiritual truths) are deeply connected.

Hint: Why do you think tptb (which are deeply "spiritual") are imploding the (the existing order of the global monetary system) the way they are?

Praise God
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Back to the roots?




hmm
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Re: Italy has killed the EURO: you read it here first
The EU would like nothing more than to see Italy leave. Unfortunately, it isn't a choice they can actively make without consequences.

Where are most of the counterfeit Euros manufactured? Italy.

Who has the most counterfeit coin circulating through their country? Italy.

Which national bank has the least control (and least will to control) the validity of the currency in circulation? Italy.

Which nation is among the top producers of poorly minted currency? Italy.

Bundes Bank is one of the few institutions attempting to give a damn. The main issue isn't a lack of sovereign currency. The issue is with individual members not giving a crap about their currency in general. They can no longer artificially inflate their currencies, and cry foul because they have to play by the rules.
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Nope. Italy will stay in. EU has big plans. It will expand to North Africa and Turkey. It's a long process, the age of forging the future with blood and iron is over. Well, not over, but changed. The system will become more centralized, but it's a slow process. The EU will keep inching forward even after people in this thread pass away. It's a thousand year "empire". The dream of Germany became reality after all.

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