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POPE webcam: DEBUNKED

 
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Study the inverted picture. You can clearly see form. When I look at this, I get a very strange feeling. I'm not one to look at anything like this and say, "Oh look it's real!" But this is real and very possibly a sign! The reason no one looked is because no one saw it but we did! This is an apparition. This could very well be Pope John Paul || looking at his own coffin. His papacy lasted twenty-seven years! Just when things are about to turn for the worst, he came back in fear for the future. Honestly does anyone feel this way? I think he is warning us about the evil that looms. Look at the inverted picture it has absolute form and to me is undeniable. Trust what your eyes see and what your intuition tells you.
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Is the inverted picture somewhere on here? Thanks!
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[link to i54.tinypic.com]

What do you think? What do you sense when you see this?
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Thanks. That looks like something to me. The area to the right of it is blackened/shadowed as well?? I'll have to go look at the original again.
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Wow, I sure get the gut feeling that its an apparition
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Just looked at all the pictures as I thought it might be the sun at first but I don't think so...HOly Cow!
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It moves at the same rate that sunlight moves through a small window. If you look at the time in each frame. That would also mean that it would have to do this daily though. Does it happen daily? Unless they cover the window which is also plausible. This is exactly how the sun looks. The apparition is coincidently moving the same as the sun? If it came back the other direction a little bit, that would be all that it has to do to prove its not the sun but for now, its the sun.
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It moves at the same rate that sunlight moves through a small window. If you look at the time in each frame. That would also mean that it would have to do this daily though. Does it happen daily? Unless they cover the window which is also plausible. This is exactly how the sun looks. The apparition is coincidently moving the same as the sun? If it came back the other direction a little bit, that would be all that it has to do to prove its not the sun but for now, its the sun.
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exactly....look at the 3rd picture....
[link to i51.tinypic.com]

see how the light hits the wood.....looks exactly like sunlight on finished wood

you can even see the reflection off the marble on the pillar......
[link to i54.tinypic.com]
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Think about what Dream Works Studio or Disney can accomplish using c. 1990's technology. Then think about what they can do today in terms of digital animation. Actors in Hollywood are seriously worried that their image and voice will be duplicated in digital avatars that will act out scenes they never filmed in roles they never played and in movies they never made! All to the horror of the Screen Actors Guild, without paying a royalty to them for the use of their famous visage. The Screen Actors Guild is now trying to establish some method of compensating these various and sundry copies of their physical and vocal characteristics on the digital stage/screen. The tech is so good that it is becoming impossible to distinguish the animated copies from the real flesh/blood person being filmed. Hollywood isn't worried about this happening in the future. They know it's happening now and want to make sure their union actors and members will be paid for the use of their image. Once the digitized image and voice is captured, the computers can make it do or say anything imaginable on a screen of a set that never, in reality, existed. We may well see the stars of past generations 'resurrected digitally" and preforming again in plays, appearances, interviews, and other things we never imagined nor things that existed during that actors real life on this earth!

What does this have to do with the resurrection of a dead pope? While demons can certainly manage to pull it off, the facts are that the church can also pull off such a "miracle" by the use of digital avatars and holographic projections. Could we tell the difference? Not until and unless someone were to touch the image and their hand went thru it. And that might well be explained as their new "post death" body rather than special effects honed to the nth degree and projected for the masses to see.

The effect of a body entombed and "glowing" can easily be achieved by cleverly concealed pinpoint lasers focused in just the right way and powered up so subtly that the lighting is all but imperceptible until it's at full force. In theory these lasers could be hundred of feet away and run at very low power so the light source could not be detected by human eyes. However, the system could be programmed to take two or three hours to go from no augmented lighting to full on lighting of the body. So the increase would not be perceived by the human eye. Only the final effect would be noticed and it would of course be slight and very subtle in and of itself.

Or maybe a demon is crawling into his rotting flesh even now. Who knows? Or the church may be using a combo of the demonic augmented by technology. That too is possible. Remember the Vatican has UNLIMITED resources to spend on this project - whatever it may be.
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Maybe it is the sun but it looked like an apparition or something like it to me, I got a small shock when I first saw it and thought it looked like an angel
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It's a demon in the window.
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I'm expecting JPII to reincarnate any minute.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

lflash
 Quoting: RayGun


Many are thinking the same thing. The prophecy says 7kings, but than the angel speaks of an 8th king, but the 8th king is part of the seven. I'm not sure what to believe right now, but I do know the next pope will be possessed by the devil, who ever he is.
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Just some thoughts on this - maybe the 8th being part of the 7th is because the 8th reigns during the lifetime of the 7th. If Benedict is still living at the time the next pope takes over this could be what that means.
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Maybe it is the sun but it looked like an apparition or something like it to me, I got a small shock when I first saw it and thought it looked like an angel
 Quoting: Shayla 35280802


To the people that are so ready to call any type of glowing entity an angel, be warned. If that is all it takes to convince somebody that a being is that of Heavenly duty, then you are going to be in for a very confusing future as technology to recreate these angelic beings as manifestations via holograms and other computer technology becomes more readily available, if not, already being developed behind closed doors.

So once again, if something is shiny, why the fuck are you so sure its an angel?

In other words...what value in an angel can be measured that isnt simply visual?
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I have a few screenshots I just took, it moved to the right.
[link to www.vaticanstate.va]

UPDATE:

Here are the screenshots- Save them to a folder and click through them in sequence.

[link to i55.tinypic.com]
[link to i55.tinypic.com]
[link to i51.tinypic.com]
[link to i52.tinypic.com]
[link to i52.tinypic.com]

Inverted
[link to i54.tinypic.com]

lflashlflashlflashlflashlflash

Also:
Someone just showed me this link
[link to news.smashpipe.com]

If this were sunlight wouldn't we have seen it days and days ago? PIN THIS!

Since this is going viral I'm cashing in. POPE shirts...pope shirts.

[link to i54.tinypic.com]
[link to i52.tinypic.com]
[link to i51.tinypic.com]
[link to i53.tinypic.com]
[link to i55.tinypic.com]
 Quoting: ItSeesThroughEyes


hahaha I'd wear one of those pope shirts. Maybe I got poped.
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Study the inverted picture. You can clearly see form. When I look at this, I get a very strange feeling. I'm not one to look at anything like this and say, "Oh look it's real!" But this is real and very possibly a sign! The reason no one looked is because no one saw it but we did! This is an apparition. This could very well be Pope John Paul || looking at his own coffin. His papacy lasted twenty-seven years! Just when things are about to turn for the worst, he came back in fear for the future. Honestly does anyone feel this way? I think he is warning us about the evil that looms. Look at the inverted picture it has absolute form and to me is undeniable. Trust what your eyes see and what your intuition tells you.
 Quoting: bausse


Is the inverted picture somewhere on here? Thanks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34267563


I posted it on the first post
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That Vault is located at the center of the St. Peter's basilica sanctuary. There are NO windows, what you say now?

Here is a diagram he lies in state at the far right.

[link to blog.marcantonioarchitects.com]
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Nice work OP

I WANT to say its just sunlight, I really do, but I've been watching this webcam every day, and I've never seen that. I'm a pretty skeptical person too, but this whole thing with this webcam on his tomb, that verse in the book of Revelations, etc......I'll be honest - its totally freaking me out.
"Live each day like it's your last, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like no one is watching."
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I'm not one to look at anything like this and say, "Oh look it's real!" But this is real.
 Quoting: bausse


itsreal
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I have a few screenshots I just took, it moved to the right.
[link to www.vaticanstate.va]

UPDATE:

Here are the screenshots- Save them to a folder and click through them in sequence.

[link to i55.tinypic.com]
[link to i55.tinypic.com]
[link to i51.tinypic.com]
[link to i52.tinypic.com]
[link to i52.tinypic.com]

Inverted
[link to i54.tinypic.com]

lflashlflashlflashlflashlflash

Also:
Someone just showed me this link
[link to news.smashpipe.com]

If this were sunlight wouldn't we have seen it days and days ago? PIN THIS!

Since this is going viral I'm cashing in. POPE shirts...pope shirts.

[link to i54.tinypic.com]
[link to i52.tinypic.com]
[link to i51.tinypic.com]
[link to i53.tinypic.com]
[link to i55.tinypic.com]
 Quoting: ItSeesThroughEyes


hahaha I'd wear one of those pope shirts. Maybe I got poped.
 Quoting: grimloche


"Welcome To Pope Country"

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I'm expecting JPII to reincarnate any minute.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

lflash
 Quoting: RayGun


Many are thinking the same thing. The prophecy says 7kings, but than the angel speaks of an 8th king, but the 8th king is part of the seven. I'm not sure what to believe right now, but I do know the next pope will be possessed by the devil, who ever he is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2697490


Just some thoughts on this - maybe the 8th being part of the 7th is because the 8th reigns during the lifetime of the 7th. If Benedict is still living at the time the next pope takes over this could be what that means.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3570662


That could be also. Whatever it means we are about to find out very soon. Also I was thinking what if Benedict returns but takes the name of Peter. How would that play out I wonder.
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Nice work OP

I WANT to say its just sunlight, I really do, but I've been watching this webcam every day, and I've never seen that. I'm a pretty skeptical person too, but this whole thing with this webcam on his tomb, that verse in the book of Revelations, etc......I'll be honest - its totally freaking me out.
 Quoting: amywood71605


Thank you, sincerely for posting. Because if you have been watching it daily you would have seen......sunlight. You have made this a lot more credible!

hugs
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Maybe it is the sun but it looked like an apparition or something like it to me, I got a small shock when I first saw it and thought it looked like an angel
 Quoting: Shayla 35280802


To the people that are so ready to call any type of glowing entity an angel, be warned. If that is all it takes to convince somebody that a being is that of Heavenly duty, then you are going to be in for a very confusing future as technology to recreate these angelic beings as manifestations via holograms and other computer technology becomes more readily available, if not, already being developed behind closed doors.

So once again, if something is shiny, why the fuck are you so sure its an angel?

In other words...what value in an angel can be measured that isnt simply visual?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1596256



You should have read that in the spirit it was intended, there is no need for all that vitriol, you seem to be coming from a place of self-righteous ego. As anyone can see, I actually said 'thought it looked like an angel' - no statement of fact there - and I also said 'maybe it is the sun' - as I am open minded as to what it is. Both comments are just observations, there's no need to get pompous about it - and it is fine to use my name when replying to me 'the people' sounds a bit high and mighty, especially with your why the f**k shot, which is totally unnecessary. Why people have to get so aggressive about this stuff is beyond me....
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That Vault is located at the center of the St. Peter's basilica sanctuary. There are NO windows, what you say now?

Here is a diagram he lies in state at the far right.

[link to blog.marcantonioarchitects.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10393879


BOOM - Right here
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That Vault is located at the center of the St. Peter's basilica sanctuary. There are NO windows, what you say now?

Here is a diagram he lies in state at the far right.

[link to blog.marcantonioarchitects.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10393879


BOOM - Right here
 Quoting: ItSeesThroughEyes


Now you are just making stuff up to push your lies....

I googled "St. Peter's basilica sanctuary" and this was the 1st picture that came up.....
[link to i51.tinypic.com]

please stop the madness, bro!
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Nice work OP

I WANT to say its just sunlight, I really do, but I've been watching this webcam every day, and I've never seen that. I'm a pretty skeptical person too, but this whole thing with this webcam on his tomb, that verse in the book of Revelations, etc......I'll be honest - its totally freaking me out.
 Quoting: amywood71605


Thank you, sincerely for posting. Because if you have been watching it daily you would have seen......sunlight. You have made this a lot more credible!

hugs
 Quoting: ItSeesThroughEyes


Funny thing about this "ghost"is it only comes out in sunlight you dont see it on a rainy day ,you dont see it at dusk ,you dont see it at night ,but you see this "GHOST"in the sunlight ,must be a sunnyghost .or someone is trying to tell you something like its the sun ,look at the pillars for a clue this thread is bsflagbsflag
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Well here's what I know.

The webcam is taking a picture every two minutes now with that in mind we need to look at the light source.The sun shining through a window would be your first guess but think about this.To see an actual movement in the sun it takes roughly 15 minutes and we know this by the shadow it casts off of a stationary object. When we add this knowledge to the pictures the reflecting light is moving too fast to be the suns reflection.
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It moves at the same rate that sunlight moves through a small window. If you look at the time in each frame. That would also mean that it would have to do this daily though. Does it happen daily? Unless they cover the window which is also plausible. This is exactly how the sun looks. The apparition is coincidently moving the same as the sun? If it came back the other direction a little bit, that would be all that it has to do to prove its not the sun but for now, its the sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1596256


exactly....look at the 3rd picture....
[link to i51.tinypic.com]

see how the light hits the wood.....looks exactly like sunlight on finished wood

you can even see the reflection off the marble on the pillar......
[link to i54.tinypic.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


anyone care to comment?
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Nice work OP

I WANT to say its just sunlight, I really do, but I've been watching this webcam every day, and I've never seen that. I'm a pretty skeptical person too, but this whole thing with this webcam on his tomb, that verse in the book of Revelations, etc......I'll be honest - its totally freaking me out.
 Quoting: amywood71605


Thank you, sincerely for posting. Because if you have been watching it daily you would have seen......sunlight. You have made this a lot more credible!

hugs
 Quoting: ItSeesThroughEyes


Funny thing about this "ghost"is it only comes out in sunlight you dont see it on a rainy day ,you dont see it at dusk ,you dont see it at night ,but you see this "GHOST"in the sunlight ,must be a sunnyghost .or someone is trying to tell you something like its the sun ,look at the pillars for a clue this thread is bsflagbsflag
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and i watched it everyday too and seen this happen with the sun
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Well here's what I know.

The webcam is taking a picture every two minutes now with that in mind we need to look at the light source.The sun shining through a window would be your first guess but think about this.To see an actual movement in the sun it takes roughly 15 minutes and we know this by the shadow it casts off of a stationary object. When we add this knowledge to the pictures the reflecting light is moving too fast to be the suns reflection.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


this has already been discussed.....


Hey RayGUN

thanks.....right back at ya, brother!
 Quoting: Dr. Charles Norris


The only way I could see it being sunlight is if the object the sun was reflecting off was moving. The light traveled across the entire camera view in about 15 minutes or less. The one picture that was inverted (before inversion) really is odd. It may be a light source but I don't think it was the sun.
 Quoting: RayGun


think of it like this.....

if you have a flat surface and you move light across it, the reflection will move the same speed as the light....

if you have a round surface and move light across it, the reflection will move much faster because of the increasing angles...

does that make sense?
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Well here's what I know.

The webcam is taking a picture every two minutes now with that in mind we need to look at the light source.The sun shining through a window would be your first guess but think about this.To see an actual movement in the sun it takes roughly 15 minutes and we know this by the shadow it casts off of a stationary object. When we add this knowledge to the pictures the reflecting light is moving too fast to be the suns reflection.
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I agree!
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Well here's what I know.

The webcam is taking a picture every two minutes now with that in mind we need to look at the light source.The sun shining through a window would be your first guess but think about this.To see an actual movement in the sun it takes roughly 15 minutes and we know this by the shadow it casts off of a stationary object. When we add this knowledge to the pictures the reflecting light is moving too fast to be the suns reflection.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


this has already been discussed.....


Sorry bout that I haven't read the entire thread yet but great minds think alike.LOL
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It's just swamp gas. Nothing to see here.

Interesting fact though...I met John Paul II on my birthday in 2000, while in the Marines. We were in port in Italy. They invited 85 of us up to see Rome. The Vatican sent a bus and driver to pick us up.

We spent the early part of the day touring the sights. Later in the afternoon, the Pope addressed a very large group of people in the building next to St. Peters...forget the name,...something chapel. Anyway, they sat all 85 of us up front and center. After he spoke, they cleared out the room except for us. They then let us line up and go on stage to have the pope bless items. I'm not catholic...so a lot of this was lost on me at the time. Everyone was kissing his ring. I'm not going to kiss another man’s ring, doesn't matter who he is. So, when it was my turn, I stuck out my hand to shake. He shook my hand, and held on to it for a long time. He asked me where I was from...Louisiana I responded. He lit up...apparently John Paul really liked Louisiana. We spoke for several minutes before I felt it was time to go. He again shook my hand, and blessed several items, most of which I still have. My fellow Marines, most of which were catholic, were speechless. They kept asking what in the hell did we talk about...I told them that he asked for fishing advise and left it at that...lol.

It was a couple of years later before I realized how significant this all was. Just touching the Pope is a big deal I guess...Hell, I once shook hands with Clint Eastwood, so it would take a lot to impress me. We stood there on stage with locked hands for at least five minutes before he relaxed his grasp. Looking back, I'm glad I met him...he really seemed like a nice guy.
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That Vault is located at the center of the St. Peter's basilica sanctuary. There are NO windows, what you say now?

Here is a diagram he lies in state at the far right.

[link to blog.marcantonioarchitects.com]
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BOOM - Right here
 Quoting: ItSeesThroughEyes


Now you are just making stuff up to push your lies....

I googled "St. Peter's basilica sanctuary" and this was the 1st picture that came up.....
[link to i51.tinypic.com]

please stop the madness, bro!
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Thats the front door lol

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