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If Charles Taze Russell was a free mason why does the Grand Lodge deny it?

 
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sworn to secrecy
they lie.
you deny a group of liars then use their answers to source a mute point?
i more than before now believe charles taze russell was a mason because they deny it.
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Under oath, at the Douglas Walsh Trial, Hayden Covington (former vice president of the Watch Tower Society) gave this testimony concerning the 1874 date:

A. ...that was the publication of a false prophesy, it was a false statement or an erroneous statement in fulfilment of a prophesy that was false or erroneous.
Q. If a member of Jehovah’s Witnesses took the view himself that the prophesy was wrong and said so he would be disfellowshipped?
A. Yes....Our purpose is to have unity.
Q. And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of a false prophecy?
A. That is conceded to be true.
— Douglas Walsh Trial, 1954
 Quoting: Nine's


Nothing men thought 135 years ago will prevent Jehovah's intervention and the defeat of satan's military industrial complex and his nuclear reign of terror. Millions will survive and start over, the earth will be cultivated into global Garden of Eden.
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Chosen? Guess that's debatable. Did he figure it out on his own? No. See the bolded if it's too long for you.

Mr. Russell was first of all, a businessman quite able to respond to what would sell and how to do it.

He was also a liar, a fraud, a womanizer, false prophet, and perjured himself many times. It's public record of the times he lied under oath and was caught at it. He was often in court.
 Quoting: Nine's


Russell was not perfect, but he did seek to speak the truth. One will not find any public court record in which he was ever charged with perjury. The court records indicate that on one occasion he did not interpret some certain questions with the intent that the questioner had for the questions, or, on another occasion, that his memory failed him as pertaining to a certain name, but not that he was actually lying.

[link to ctr.reslight.net]

The womanizing might not be 100 percent true if Mr. Russells assertions are true that it wasn't him, but fallen angels materializing as him that the women actually saw.
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I do not know of any time that Russell ever made such an assertion. Mrs. Russell made a lot of insinuations about certain circumstances, which insinuations Mr. Russell explained, but I have not found any place that Russell ever claimed that angels were materializing as him.


Anyone that spoke against him or his scams was sued.[/scam]

Russell certainly did not sue everyone who spoke against him. This is totally silly.

Since Russell had no "scams" the real scammers were those who were spreading falsehoods about Russell.

He even sued the newspaper that reported about his escapades.
 Quoting: Nine's


Yes, Russell sued The Brooklyn Eagle for its gross evil misrepresentation of Russell. His mistake was in filing suit for libel rather than slander. If he had filed for slander, he probably would have won the suit.

Rutherford, the one that took over the WT society after Russell, was his attorney at some of these court hearings.

Charles Taze Russell got many doctrinal ideas from Jonas Wendell, a Seventh Day Adventist preacher. Jonas Wendell didn't believe in a burning hell or the trinity. Mr. Wendell believed the second coming would be in 1873.
 Quoting: Nine's


Evidently, Russell, around 1870, did regain interest in the Bible as result of attending one of Wendell's meetings. Russell did not state what it was at that meeting that rekindled his interest, but it evidently did have something to do with what hell is actually is, according to the Bible. Russell, however, did not accept Wendell's "end of the world" teachings, nor at that time did Russell have any interest in Wendell's study of time prophecies.

Shortly after 1870, Russell came to understand the ransom sacrifice of Jesus, and the Jesus had sacrificed his flesh, and thus that Jesus is no longer a human being.

Around 1876, Russell came across Barbour's publication which spoke of Christ's invisible return. Recognizing this as being similar to his own conclusions that Christ is no longer a human being, and that Christ would not return in the flesh, Russell became interest in what Barbour had to say. Thus, in 1876, Russell accepted Barbour's conclusion that Christ had already returned in 1874 and that the Gentile Times were to end in 1914.

IMO it doesn't take much of a business man to notice the following this prophecy gained and after it failed, to know the seed was already planted and it could be watered to produce a following and mega money at a later date.
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If Russell was interested in making mega money for himself, he certainly adopted a method that ensured that he would not make mega money for himself. Indeed, Russell divested himself of his wealth in order to promote the message of the good news of great joy that will be for all the people, although the vast majority of the people are still blinded by Satan, and thus oppose that message.

Russell encouraged his followers to read the book "Angels and Women." Some sources say it was Russell who personally supervised it's editing, others say it was a close friend who edited, with Russell supervising.
 Quoting: Nine's


I have found no evidence that Russell ever "encouraged" his alleged "followers" to read the book, Angels and Women. In reality, that book did not exist until after Russell died, although its percursor, SEOLA, did exist. Rutherford had a way of stretching the truth of history, even rewriting history, as it suited him. Russell may have suggested to some of his co-workers that they read the book SEOLA (I don't know) with the thought of making a report about the book, but there is no meantion of that book anywhere at all in any of Russell's known writings. Thus, whatever, Russell might have suggested towards anyone reading that book, he never suggested that the readers of his magazine should read that book.
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Regardless, the book was dictated by a "fallen angel" and was offered at a discount to Russell followers.
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I don't know of any actual records kept, but I believe it is quite possible that most of those who had been associated with the work of Russell did NOT accept this book. By 1928, more than 75% of the Bible Students had rejected Rutherford's "Jehovah's visible organization" dogma.

It was later recommended by the Watchtower Society "as shedding new light they believed and taught that Jehovah was a being who eternally existed in the time and space of this universe. This place was the Pleiades star system. From there Jehovah sent his angels to earth."

Only fair to add that it was at a time when they thought that "some" fallen angels were "honest".
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I don't think that Russell ever spoke of any of the "fallen angels" as being "honest". He did believe that there was a possibility that the fallen angels might be offered an opportunity to repent. It was this thought that evidently led Rutherford or some Rutherford's associates to think that this book, SEOLA, was written under the influence of such a repentant angel. Russell, himself, however, never wrote anything about the book, SEOLA, which would seem to indicate that he did not hold that book to be a dependable source of truth.
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A better question would be: "If CTR was not the founder of JWs why do they claim he is?"
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Charles Russell realized a great global invitation to God's kingdom must be preached in all the earth before the end of Satan's reign of terror;
"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28:19
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In 1901, Russell wrote:

We hold that the commission rightly read and understood has been fulfilled; that the message of Christ and the Kingdom has been proclaimed, directly or indirectly, with more or with less force and energy, in every nation under heaven, and that as a result some from every nation have been made disciples; and that incidentally a "witness" has been given to all the peoples of the earth respecting the redemption and the divine provision for salvation through the Redeemer. Of these disciples gathered out of all nations by the message of the Lord a "little flock" will be found to whom it will be the Father's good pleasure to give the Kingdom, in joint-heirship with Jesus in glory as the Seed of Abraham, through whom, in the Millennial age to follow this, all the families of the earth shall be blessed. From this standpoint only can our Lord's commission be properly appreciated and its fulfilment recognized.

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A better question would be: "If CTR was not the founder of JWs why do they claim he is?"
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Russell was a mortal bible student learning new things and trying to figure out which current understandings were true or false, hellfire in particular. Jesus is the head of Jehovah's Witnesses, he already had everything right, no learning curve.

" He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens." Col1:13
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Under oath, at the Douglas Walsh Trial, Hayden Covington (former vice president of the Watch Tower Society) gave this testimony concerning the 1874 date:

A. ...that was the publication of a false prophesy, it was a false statement or an erroneous statement in fulfilment of a prophesy that was false or erroneous.
Q. If a member of Jehovah’s Witnesses took the view himself that the prophesy was wrong and said so he would be disfellowshipped?
A. Yes....Our purpose is to have unity.
Q. And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of a false prophecy?
A. That is conceded to be true.
— Douglas Walsh Trial, 1954
 Quoting: Nine's


Whatever Hayden Covington may have testified does not, from Russell's standpoint, make anything he said about 1874 to have been a false prophecy. Before 1874, however, Russell held no expectations concerning 1874.

Since Russell did not seek "unity" based on his conclusions regarding 1874, 1878, 1914, etc., there was no forced unity upon anyone -- at least not from Russell himself; Russell did not believe in, and he preached against, the kind of authoritarianism that Covington described.

From the standpoint of the JWs, however, and the way they project the idea that their organization existed in the days of Russell (when it actually did not), it would appear the message that Russell preached as his central message was either a false message, or that the message that the JWs now preached is a false message.
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sworn to secrecy
they lie.
you deny a group of liars then use their answers to source a mute point?
i more than before now believe charles taze russell was a mason because they deny it.
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The message that Russell spent almost his entire life preaching overwhelmingly testifies that Russell was NOT a member of, nor in support of, the goals of he Freemason organization. On the other hand, there is no evidence at all that Russell was a Mason. I have no doubt whatsoever that when Russell said, "I have never been a Mason," that he was not lying.
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sworn to secrecy
they lie.
you deny a group of liars then use their answers to source a mute point?
i more than before now believe charles taze russell was a mason because they deny it.
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The message that Russell spent almost his entire life preaching overwhelmingly testifies that Russell was NOT a member of, nor in support of, the goals of he Freemason organization. On the other hand, there is no evidence at all that Russell was a Mason. I have no doubt whatsoever that when Russell said, "I have never been a Mason," that he was not lying.
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Thats why his headstone is a masonic pyramid with the masonic logo on it and its located right down the road from a masonic lodge.
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His headstone is a pyramid with masonic symbols on it and he's burried on Masonic Way.

Come on......
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sworn to secrecy
they lie.
you deny a group of liars then use their answers to source a mute point?
i more than before now believe charles taze russell was a mason because they deny it.
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The message that Russell spent almost his entire life preaching overwhelmingly testifies that Russell was NOT a member of, nor in support of, the goals of he Freemason organization. On the other hand, there is no evidence at all that Russell was a Mason. I have no doubt whatsoever that when Russell said, "I have never been a Mason," that he was not lying.
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The most obvious difference between Russell and the masons is both believed in life, liberty, and justice for all but the masons hope is that it might be achieved through politics, Russell's faith is it will only be achieved after God's kingdom terminates all governments at Armageddon.
" I saw also an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice and said to all the birds that fly in midheaven: “Come here, be gathered together to the great evening meal of God, 18 that YOU may eat the fleshy parts of kings and the fleshy parts of military commanders and the fleshy parts of strong men and the fleshy parts of horses and of those seated upon them, and the fleshy parts of all, of freemen as well as of slaves and of small ones and great.”
19 And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army. 20 And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulphur. 21 But the rest were killed off with the long sword of the one seated on the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth. And all the birds were filled from the fleshy parts of them." Rv19:17
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His headstone is a pyramid with masonic symbols on it and he's burried on Masonic Way.

Come on......
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WRONG!!


[link to pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk]

This is what the anti-Watchtower fault-finders do not want you to see. The internet is full of false stories about Pastor Russell, this is just one of them. But you already know that, now don't you? Charles Taze Russell died in 1916, the Pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the The Masonic Temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with Pastor Russell's grave. The Masonic Temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether. In fact, the Rosemont United Cemetery was never a Masonic cemetery. Many do not want you to see the first photo from 1916, showing that Pastor Russell was dead long before the Masonic Temple was built. And others do not want you to see the second photo, because some people teach that Russell is buried "under the Pyramid", or "in the Pyramid", or that the Pyramid is "his grave marker." Now, how can that be, see Russell's headstone, see the Pyramid marker, they are in two different locations, with other graves in between them. The pyramid marker was used as a marker for all (275) of the Watchtower Society burial plots in the Cemetery, nothing more. People visiting the Cemetery could look for the pyramid marker to locate the (275) burial plots. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not revere burial places, but some desire to visit the Watch Tower Society’s burial plot where C. T. Russell was buried. Turn right off Perrysville Avenue on to Cemetery Lane. The United Cemetery is the last cemetery on this road. A few yards beyond the replica of a pyramid is a driveway that takes one near the Society’s plot.
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I was a devout JW for 7 years, until I started digging around. When I found out some stuff, I started to open my eyes.

Then the real SHTF, and I know of stuff at my old kingdom hall that I will never repeat or talk about online, in person or to another human being.

Let me just say that if the allegations were true, then God help the children there.

That's all I'm going to say.

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His headstone is a pyramid with masonic symbols on it and he's burried on Masonic Way.

Come on......
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


WRONG!!


[link to pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk]

This is what the anti-Watchtower fault-finders do not want you to see. The internet is full of false stories about Pastor Russell, this is just one of them. But you already know that, now don't you? Charles Taze Russell died in 1916, the Pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the The Masonic Temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with Pastor Russell's grave. The Masonic Temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether. In fact, the Rosemont United Cemetery was never a Masonic cemetery. Many do not want you to see the first photo from 1916, showing that Pastor Russell was dead long before the Masonic Temple was built. And others do not want you to see the second photo, because some people teach that Russell is buried "under the Pyramid", or "in the Pyramid", or that the Pyramid is "his grave marker." Now, how can that be, see Russell's headstone, see the Pyramid marker, they are in two different locations, with other graves in between them. The pyramid marker was used as a marker for all (275) of the Watchtower Society burial plots in the Cemetery, nothing more. People visiting the Cemetery could look for the pyramid marker to locate the (275) burial plots. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not revere burial places, but some desire to visit the Watch Tower Society’s burial plot where C. T. Russell was buried. Turn right off Perrysville Avenue on to Cemetery Lane. The United Cemetery is the last cemetery on this road. A few yards beyond the replica of a pyramid is a driveway that takes one near the Society’s plot.
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Do a little research into the background of Russel family. Nuff said.
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His headstone is a pyramid with masonic symbols on it and he's burried on Masonic Way.

Come on......
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


WRONG!!


[link to pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk]

This is what the anti-Watchtower fault-finders do not want you to see. The internet is full of false stories about Pastor Russell, this is just one of them. But you already know that, now don't you? Charles Taze Russell died in 1916, the Pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the The Masonic Temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with Pastor Russell's grave. The Masonic Temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether. In fact, the Rosemont United Cemetery was never a Masonic cemetery. Many do not want you to see the first photo from 1916, showing that Pastor Russell was dead long before the Masonic Temple was built. And others do not want you to see the second photo, because some people teach that Russell is buried "under the Pyramid", or "in the Pyramid", or that the Pyramid is "his grave marker." Now, how can that be, see Russell's headstone, see the Pyramid marker, they are in two different locations, with other graves in between them. The pyramid marker was used as a marker for all (275) of the Watchtower Society burial plots in the Cemetery, nothing more. People visiting the Cemetery could look for the pyramid marker to locate the (275) burial plots. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not revere burial places, but some desire to visit the Watch Tower Society’s burial plot where C. T. Russell was buried. Turn right off Perrysville Avenue on to Cemetery Lane. The United Cemetery is the last cemetery on this road. A few yards beyond the replica of a pyramid is a driveway that takes one near the Society’s plot.
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Do a little research into the background of Russel family. Nuff said.
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Ok Im sorry if the facts get in the way of your false stories....
Besides Charles Taze Russel was one man who fought for the truth, similar to William Tyndale.

Jw's are the ONLY religion who follow the bible to the LETTER!!!


Because of this there are loads of mud slingers!!!!!

"They will be fooled by spirits and by teachings that come from demons"
1 Tim 4:1
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His headstone is a pyramid with masonic symbols on it and he's burried on Masonic Way.

Come on......
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


WRONG!!


[link to pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk]

This is what the anti-Watchtower fault-finders do not want you to see. The internet is full of false stories about Pastor Russell, this is just one of them. But you already know that, now don't you? Charles Taze Russell died in 1916, the Pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the The Masonic Temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with Pastor Russell's grave. The Masonic Temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether. In fact, the Rosemont United Cemetery was never a Masonic cemetery. Many do not want you to see the first photo from 1916, showing that Pastor Russell was dead long before the Masonic Temple was built. And others do not want you to see the second photo, because some people teach that Russell is buried "under the Pyramid", or "in the Pyramid", or that the Pyramid is "his grave marker." Now, how can that be, see Russell's headstone, see the Pyramid marker, they are in two different locations, with other graves in between them. The pyramid marker was used as a marker for all (275) of the Watchtower Society burial plots in the Cemetery, nothing more. People visiting the Cemetery could look for the pyramid marker to locate the (275) burial plots. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not revere burial places, but some desire to visit the Watch Tower Society’s burial plot where C. T. Russell was buried. Turn right off Perrysville Avenue on to Cemetery Lane. The United Cemetery is the last cemetery on this road. A few yards beyond the replica of a pyramid is a driveway that takes one near the Society’s plot.
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Do a little research into the background of Russel family. Nuff said.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Ok Im sorry if the facts get in the way of your false stories....
Besides Charles Taze Russel was one man who fought for the truth, similar to William Tyndale.

Jw's are the ONLY religion who follow the bible to the LETTER!!!


Because of this there are loads of mud slingers!!!!!

"They will be fooled by spirits and by teachings that come from demons"
1 Tim 4:1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


Well, that's actually not true, but you won't believe anything that anyone that is not from the watchtower society says........because you're not allowed to.

I could list a ton of their doctrine and show that it's not true using the bible, but you wouldn't listen anyway. So, what's the point?

You have alot invested......so I understand. I was there once too.

Have a good day.

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His headstone is a pyramid with masonic symbols on it and he's burried on Masonic Way.

Come on......
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WRONG!!


[link to pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk]

This is what the anti-Watchtower fault-finders do not want you to see. The internet is full of false stories about Pastor Russell, this is just one of them. But you already know that, now don't you? Charles Taze Russell died in 1916, the Pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the The Masonic Temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with Pastor Russell's grave. The Masonic Temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether. In fact, the Rosemont United Cemetery was never a Masonic cemetery. Many do not want you to see the first photo from 1916, showing that Pastor Russell was dead long before the Masonic Temple was built. And others do not want you to see the second photo, because some people teach that Russell is buried "under the Pyramid", or "in the Pyramid", or that the Pyramid is "his grave marker." Now, how can that be, see Russell's headstone, see the Pyramid marker, they are in two different locations, with other graves in between them. The pyramid marker was used as a marker for all (275) of the Watchtower Society burial plots in the Cemetery, nothing more. People visiting the Cemetery could look for the pyramid marker to locate the (275) burial plots. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not revere burial places, but some desire to visit the Watch Tower Society’s burial plot where C. T. Russell was buried. Turn right off Perrysville Avenue on to Cemetery Lane. The United Cemetery is the last cemetery on this road. A few yards beyond the replica of a pyramid is a driveway that takes one near the Society’s plot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


Do a little research into the background of Russel family. Nuff said.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Ok Im sorry if the facts get in the way of your false stories....
Besides Charles Taze Russel was one man who fought for the truth, similar to William Tyndale.

Jw's are the ONLY religion who follow the bible to the LETTER!!!


Because of this there are loads of mud slingers!!!!!

"They will be fooled by spirits and by teachings that come from demons"
1 Tim 4:1
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Lisa is not a mudslinger.

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[link to pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk]

This is what the anti-Watchtower fault-finders do not want you to see. The internet is full of false stories about Pastor Russell, this is just one of them. But you already know that, now don't you? Charles Taze Russell died in 1916, the Pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the The Masonic Temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with Pastor Russell's grave. The Masonic Temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether. In fact, the Rosemont United Cemetery was never a Masonic cemetery. Many do not want you to see the first photo from 1916, showing that Pastor Russell was dead long before the Masonic Temple was built. And others do not want you to see the second photo, because some people teach that Russell is buried "under the Pyramid", or "in the Pyramid", or that the Pyramid is "his grave marker." Now, how can that be, see Russell's headstone, see the Pyramid marker, they are in two different locations, with other graves in between them. The pyramid marker was used as a marker for all (275) of the Watchtower Society burial plots in the Cemetery, nothing more. People visiting the Cemetery could look for the pyramid marker to locate the (275) burial plots. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not revere burial places, but some desire to visit the Watch Tower Society’s burial plot where C. T. Russell was buried. Turn right off Perrysville Avenue on to Cemetery Lane. The United Cemetery is the last cemetery on this road. A few yards beyond the replica of a pyramid is a driveway that takes one near the Society’s plot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


Do a little research into the background of Russel family. Nuff said.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Ok Im sorry if the facts get in the way of your false stories....
Besides Charles Taze Russel was one man who fought for the truth, similar to William Tyndale.

Jw's are the ONLY religion who follow the bible to the LETTER!!!


Because of this there are loads of mud slingers!!!!!

"They will be fooled by spirits and by teachings that come from demons"
1 Tim 4:1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


Well, that's actually not true, but you won't believe anything that anyone that is not from the watchtower society says........because you're not allowed to.

I could list a ton of their doctrine and show that it's not true using the bible, but you wouldn't listen anyway. So, what's the point?

You have alot invested......so I understand. I was there once too.

Have a good day.

hf
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Try me.
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Do a little research into the background of Russel family. Nuff said.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Ok Im sorry if the facts get in the way of your false stories....
Besides Charles Taze Russel was one man who fought for the truth, similar to William Tyndale.

Jw's are the ONLY religion who follow the bible to the LETTER!!!


Because of this there are loads of mud slingers!!!!!

"They will be fooled by spirits and by teachings that come from demons"
1 Tim 4:1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


Well, that's actually not true, but you won't believe anything that anyone that is not from the watchtower society says........because you're not allowed to.

I could list a ton of their doctrine and show that it's not true using the bible, but you wouldn't listen anyway. So, what's the point?

You have alot invested......so I understand. I was there once too.

Have a good day.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Try me.
 Quoting: DGN


Why? You're not open minded at all, you're 100% committed to the watchtower organization. I know it, you know it. I"m not knocking you for it....but it is what it is. I was once in your shoes about 15 years ago, I understand it. I would have defended the WT till my dying breath too......I get it.

I just call it like I see it.
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[link to pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk]

This is what the anti-Watchtower fault-finders do not want you to see. The internet is full of false stories about Pastor Russell, this is just one of them. But you already know that, now don't you? Charles Taze Russell died in 1916, the Pyramid marker was installed in 1921 (5 years after his death), and the The Masonic Temple was built in the mid 1990s, these items have nothing to do with Pastor Russell's grave. The Masonic Temple is not even on the cemetery grounds, it is a different property altogether. In fact, the Rosemont United Cemetery was never a Masonic cemetery. Many do not want you to see the first photo from 1916, showing that Pastor Russell was dead long before the Masonic Temple was built. And others do not want you to see the second photo, because some people teach that Russell is buried "under the Pyramid", or "in the Pyramid", or that the Pyramid is "his grave marker." Now, how can that be, see Russell's headstone, see the Pyramid marker, they are in two different locations, with other graves in between them. The pyramid marker was used as a marker for all (275) of the Watchtower Society burial plots in the Cemetery, nothing more. People visiting the Cemetery could look for the pyramid marker to locate the (275) burial plots. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not revere burial places, but some desire to visit the Watch Tower Society’s burial plot where C. T. Russell was buried. Turn right off Perrysville Avenue on to Cemetery Lane. The United Cemetery is the last cemetery on this road. A few yards beyond the replica of a pyramid is a driveway that takes one near the Society’s plot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


Do a little research into the background of Russel family. Nuff said.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Ok Im sorry if the facts get in the way of your false stories....
Besides Charles Taze Russel was one man who fought for the truth, similar to William Tyndale.

Jw's are the ONLY religion who follow the bible to the LETTER!!!


Because of this there are loads of mud slingers!!!!!

"They will be fooled by spirits and by teachings that come from demons"
1 Tim 4:1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520

Lisa is not a mudslinger.
 Quoting: Nine's


I never called Lisa a mudslinger!
But in this world there are 2 forces.
Good vs Evil.
Evil will always try to put people off the truth!

Mat 7:13 “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it"

Sometimes people are used without knowing it to give out disinfo, others do it intentionally, hard truth comes to mind!

Jws are the ONLY ones who follow Gods word 100% Period!
Of course your gonna have bad sorts in the religion, thats bound to happen abd even prophesied!!!!!
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Ok Im sorry if the facts get in the way of your false stories....
Besides Charles Taze Russel was one man who fought for the truth, similar to William Tyndale.

Jw's are the ONLY religion who follow the bible to the LETTER!!!


Because of this there are loads of mud slingers!!!!!

"They will be fooled by spirits and by teachings that come from demons"
1 Tim 4:1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


Well, that's actually not true, but you won't believe anything that anyone that is not from the watchtower society says........because you're not allowed to.

I could list a ton of their doctrine and show that it's not true using the bible, but you wouldn't listen anyway. So, what's the point?

You have alot invested......so I understand. I was there once too.

Have a good day.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Try me.
 Quoting: DGN


Why? You're not open minded at all, you're 100% committed to the watchtower organization. I know it, you know it. I"m not knocking you for it....but it is what it is. I was once in your shoes about 15 years ago, I understand it. I would have defended the WT till my dying breath too......I get it.

I just call it like I see it.
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So now Lisa you go house to house, city to city, like Jesus used to to preach the word and make disciples of the nations?
Mat 24:14
Mat 28:19,20
Please dont say you count this as your ministry????

Forgive me if you are disabled and its all you can do :)
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Jws are the ONLY ones who follow Gods word 100% Period!

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Really? LOL!
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Well, that's actually not true, but you won't believe anything that anyone that is not from the watchtower society says........because you're not allowed to.

I could list a ton of their doctrine and show that it's not true using the bible, but you wouldn't listen anyway. So, what's the point?

You have alot invested......so I understand. I was there once too.

Have a good day.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Try me.
 Quoting: DGN


Why? You're not open minded at all, you're 100% committed to the watchtower organization. I know it, you know it. I"m not knocking you for it....but it is what it is. I was once in your shoes about 15 years ago, I understand it. I would have defended the WT till my dying breath too......I get it.

I just call it like I see it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So now Lisa you go house to house, city to city, like Jesus used to to preach the word and make disciples of the nations?
Mat 24:14
Mat 28:19,20
Please dont say you count this as your ministry????

Forgive me if you are disabled and its all you can do :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


LMAO! Really???????

1rof1
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Read the book Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz. Most libraries have a copy.

I've seen families, many lives DESTROYED by the watchtower organization.

No further comment on that matter.
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Why? You're not open minded at all, you're 100% committed to the watchtower organization. I know it, you know it. I"m not knocking you for it....but it is what it is. I was once in your shoes about 15 years ago, I understand it. I would have defended the WT till my dying breath too......I get it.

I just call it like I see it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So now Lisa you go house to house, city to city, like Jesus used to to preach the word and make disciples of the nations?
Mat 24:14
Mat 28:19,20
Please dont say you count this as your ministry????

Forgive me if you are disabled and its all you can do :)
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LMAO! Really???????

1rof1
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I know. No doubt the same thought went through your mind as what went through mine. Amazing.
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Why? You're not open minded at all, you're 100% committed to the watchtower organization. I know it, you know it. I"m not knocking you for it....but it is what it is. I was once in your shoes about 15 years ago, I understand it. I would have defended the WT till my dying breath too......I get it.

I just call it like I see it.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So now Lisa you go house to house, city to city, like Jesus used to to preach the word and make disciples of the nations?
Mat 24:14
Mat 28:19,20
Please dont say you count this as your ministry????

Forgive me if you are disabled and its all you can do :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34223520


LMAO! Really???????

1rof1
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I know. No doubt the same thought went through your mind as what went through mine. Amazing.
 Quoting: Nine's


No doubt about it! Oh well......

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Jws are the ONLY ones who follow Gods word 100% Period!

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Really? LOL!
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Yes really, last year Jehovah's international spiritual nation volunteered 1.7 billion hours to inviting people in 235 nations to learn his re3quirements. Tell me about 'congregation'.
See the third link below.

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Hey, DGN, I really like your threads and agree with what you say. So why did you ban me from replying? I am on a proxy right now to reply to you and am ID number 1550123.
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Read the book Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz. Most libraries have a copy.

I've seen families, many lives DESTROYED by the watchtower organization.

No further comment on that matter.
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Unfortunately Jesus would say this would happen when people follow him. And from what I read, the JW's follow the bible better than other churches that call themselves Christian. They actually expect their members to be moral. That hasn't been the case in the churches I have been a part of.

Matthew 10
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

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