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If Charles Taze Russell was a free mason why does the Grand Lodge deny it?

 
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Where did you get the idea the dead go to heaven?
"Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, 35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom YOU impaled.” Ac2:34

"I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18
How did you miss these basic truths? Death is not a reward for sin, a promotion to a better place, it's the penalty.
 Quoting: DGN


None of the dead went to heaven........UNTIL Jesus died and ascended Himself.

Have you never spoken to a born again christian before? I know you have....
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


They are not the source of education Jehovah's word is. The apostles and first century Christians did not go to heaven when they died, they went to the grave like everyone else until Jesus' heavenly enthronement in 1914.

"And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." Rv20:1
 Quoting: DGN


2 Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord."
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So would I but it's not my choice or theirs either. The heavenly class of disciples did not get resurrected to heaven when they died, they had to wait for the first resurrection after Jesus enthronement. Note this in the fifth seal;
"And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been.
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None of the dead went to heaven........UNTIL Jesus died and ascended Himself.

Have you never spoken to a born again christian before? I know you have....
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


They are not the source of education Jehovah's word is. The apostles and first century Christians did not go to heaven when they died, they went to the grave like everyone else until Jesus' heavenly enthronement in 1914.

"And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." Rv20:1
 Quoting: DGN


2 Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord."
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So would I but it's not my choice or theirs either. The heavenly class of disciples did not get resurrected to heaven when they died, they had to wait for the first resurrection after Jesus enthronement. Note this in the fifth seal;
"And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been.
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It is clear, even in the verses that you quoted that they are in heaven.
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They are not the source of education Jehovah's word is. The apostles and first century Christians did not go to heaven when they died, they went to the grave like everyone else until Jesus' heavenly enthronement in 1914.

"And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." Rv20:1
 Quoting: DGN


2 Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord."
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


So would I but it's not my choice or theirs either. The heavenly class of disciples did not get resurrected to heaven when they died, they had to wait for the first resurrection after Jesus enthronement. Note this in the fifth seal;
"And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been.
 Quoting: DGN


It is clear, even in the verses that you quoted that they are in heaven.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


The 'last trumpet' Paul cited was some 1900 years in the future, after Jesus was enthroned. His first century disciples (only a few thousand)all 'fell asleep in death' and became the first resurrected to serve as assistant kings in heaven. The majority were chosen during the last days. They are not resurrected but at death are transformed into spirit creatures joining the rest..
"However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, but the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!" 1Cor15:50
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It's pointless to try and reason with a JW because they won't listen to anything other then what the watchtower says.

And, even that's ok........I understand it. I just know the truth. Our souls live on after death and we go to heaven or hell when we die. It's a 100% fact.

No point in arguing about it......it just is what it is.
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It's pointless to try and reason with a JW because they won't listen to anything other then what the watchtower says.

And, even that's ok........I understand it. I just know the truth. Our souls live on after death and we go to heaven or hell when we die. It's a 100% fact.

No point in arguing about it......it just is what it is.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


"People go to hell for punishment when they di
e" So says the book of Lisa, here's what God's book says;

"For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin." Ro6:7

Isn't death punishment enough?

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It's pointless to try and reason with a JW because they won't listen to anything other then what the watchtower says.

And, even that's ok........I understand it. I just know the truth. Our souls live on after death and we go to heaven or hell when we die. It's a 100% fact.

No point in arguing about it......it just is what it is.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


"People go to hell for punishment when they di
e" So says the book of Lisa, here's what God's book says;

"For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin." Ro6:7

Isn't death punishment enough?
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Maybe the better question is, "would you punish people for ever?
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It's pointless to try and reason with a JW because they won't listen to anything other then what the watchtower says.

And, even that's ok........I understand it. I just know the truth. Our souls live on after death and we go to heaven or hell when we die. It's a 100% fact.

No point in arguing about it......it just is what it is.
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Then why didn't Jesus know this and come down here to provide the sacrifice for sin for nothing?
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Until genetic testing became the standard, GUESS how many rapists DENIED raping thier victims? That's a rhetorical question but you get the point.
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sworn to secrecy
they lie.
you deny a group of liars then use their answers to source a mute point?
i more than before now believe charles taze russell was a mason because they deny it.
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The message that Russell spent almost his entire life preaching overwhelmingly testifies that Russell was NOT a member of, nor in support of, the goals of he Freemason organization. On the other hand, there is no evidence at all that Russell was a Mason. I have no doubt whatsoever that when Russell said, "I have never been a Mason," that he was not lying.
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Thats why his headstone is a masonic pyramid with the masonic logo on it and its located right down the road from a masonic lodge.
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35590380


I thought I responded to this before, but apparently I did not, or else I forgot to submit my response.

Russell's headstone is not a pyramid at all, nor is there any a masonic logo on his headstone. I suspect, however, that what is being mistakenly called Russell's headstone is in reality Rutherford's pyramid monument that was built several years after Russell died.

See:
<a href=" [link to www.rlbible.com]

Nevertheless, Rutherford's pyramid monument is NOT a masonic pyramid, nor is there any masonic logo on Rutherford's pyramid monument.

The Masonic buiding that is across the street from the Rosemont Cemetery was built several decades after Russell died. Russell had nothing to do with the builind of that Masonic Center.

No, Russell was NOT a member of the Freemasons. Anyone who is truly familiar was Russell's writings would know this.

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The message that Russell spent almost his entire life preaching overwhelmingly testifies that Russell was NOT a member of, nor in support of, the goals of he Freemason organization. On the other hand, there is no evidence at all that Russell was a Mason. I have no doubt whatsoever that when Russell said, "I have never been a Mason," that he was not lying.
 Quoting: BibleLight


Thats why his headstone is a masonic pyramid with the masonic logo on it and its located right down the road from a masonic lodge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16254379


THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35590380


I thought I responded to this before, but apparently I did not, or else I forgot to submit my response.

Russell's headstone is not a pyramid at all, nor is there any a masonic logo on his headstone. I suspect, however, that what is being mistakenly called Russell's headstone is in reality Rutherford's pyramid monument that was built several years after Russell died.

See:
<a href=" [link to www.rlbible.com]

Nevertheless, Rutherford's pyramid monument is NOT a masonic pyramid, nor is there any masonic logo on Rutherford's pyramid monument.

The Masonic buiding that is across the street from the Rosemont Cemetery was built several decades after Russell died. Russell had nothing to do with the builind of that Masonic Center.

No, Russell was NOT a member of the Freemasons. Anyone who is truly familiar was Russell's writings would know this.

<a href=" [link to www.rlbible.com]
 Quoting: BibleLight


Thanks for the info. I don't know the masons 'secret society' believes believes but Russell's faith in Jehovah's kingdom is still being proclaimed openly to all world wide.
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Thats why his headstone is a masonic pyramid with the masonic logo on it and its located right down the road from a masonic lodge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16254379


THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35590380


I thought I responded to this before, but apparently I did not, or else I forgot to submit my response.

Russell's headstone is not a pyramid at all, nor is there any a masonic logo on his headstone. I suspect, however, that what is being mistakenly called Russell's headstone is in reality Rutherford's pyramid monument that was built several years after Russell died.

See:
<a href=" [link to www.rlbible.com]

Nevertheless, Rutherford's pyramid monument is NOT a masonic pyramid, nor is there any masonic logo on Rutherford's pyramid monument.

The Masonic buiding that is across the street from the Rosemont Cemetery was built several decades after Russell died. Russell had nothing to do with the builind of that Masonic Center.

No, Russell was NOT a member of the Freemasons. Anyone who is truly familiar was Russell's writings would know this.

<a href=" [link to www.rlbible.com]
 Quoting: BibleLight


Thanks for the info. I don't know the masons 'secret society' believes believes but Russell's faith in Jehovah's kingdom is still being proclaimed openly to all world wide.
 Quoting: DGN


"And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book. 2 And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence.
3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
“And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.” Da12;1

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