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Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others

 
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With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I think you are wrong, and i think you give the bible your own meaning, now if you read well, you will realize that what the bible condemns the most, as well as God and Christ, is VIOLENCE, not homosexuality

you cannot equate homosexuality to evil or mental impurity, they are separate, now whether a person is impure an engages in homosexuality would be a different case than a person who is pure and who engages in homosexuality, but the act itself must not be mixed with either good or evil

now, heterosexuality according to history can be far WORST than homosexuality if we are going to talk on those terms, in the past some angels came to our world, the sons of god, and they had sex with human females and guess what came out of that?, giants who controlled the earth in those days and enslaved us, so god had to flood the world and kill everyone to fix the mess they caused, so those angels would've done the right thing by being homosexual and avoiding heterosexual activity, to stop the earth from being flooded

now if you hate homosexuality that is your problem, in fact if you hate homosexuality you are far away from understanding Christ and tolerance, so i suggest you start by being tolerant and taken out the hate from your heart.
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Continued in Matthew 19


10 His disciples said unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

In other words . . . Jesus explained homosexuality was a natural occurrence, a GIFT.

Bumping uglies is a different story!
 Quoting: Jeremiah 24508494


It is a gift that one can abstain from sexual activity more easily. Born eunuchs have disturbed sexual hormonal production and are not attracted to either man or woman sexually. Because of that, they have the opportunity to focuse on the service for God.

Those who are selfimposed eunuchs have got the strength from God as a Gift so they can give their life wholy to Him.

Otherwise marriage is given as a gift to get the lust under control. And therebye become acceptable even when we thus get our lust neutralized by sexual activity.

It is about controlling all covetousness.

All are sinners whatever their sin is, but to promote sinfullness is an abomination. What we do hidden from others is a matter between the individual and God. No one can tell another that they are doomed to hell because they do something wrong.
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Jesus Christ preached about abnormal sex, not homosexuality. God allows humans to pair as they wish, it is abominable sex that harms folks that is forbidden.
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Jesus Christ preached about abnormal sex, not homosexuality. God allows humans to pair as they wish, it is abominable sex that harms folks that is forbidden.
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Where did Jesus preach about 'abnormal' sex? lol He didn't. The only thing he said about sex was that eunichs couldn't get married. Marriage, here, is a reference to SEX. That's why eunichs couldn't do it.
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im suprised each time someone qotes the bible or the qran and takes what is written in either book as unaltered information from jesus or the prophet. thoose books have been around for so damn long i refuse to belive people havent tinkered just a bit here and a bit there , removed a passage or added one as they saw fit during the years they have been around.

just food for tought
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im suprised each time someone qotes the bible or the qran and takes what is written in either book as unaltered information from jesus or the prophet. thoose books have been around for so damn long i refuse to belive people havent tinkered just a bit here and a bit there , removed a passage or added one as they saw fit during the years they have been around.

just food for tought
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Doesn't surprise me. People don't know how to think for themselves. They let their 'Imam' tell them what to believe. There is NO original Bible. What was written was written by HUMANS....and we all know how humans are innocent and don't have an agenda. Sometime in this Age, Man will leave his religions and decide for himself what he thinks and believes. Until then.....this is what we get.
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im suprised each time someone qotes the bible or the qran and takes what is written in either book as unaltered information from jesus or the prophet. thoose books have been around for so damn long i refuse to belive people havent tinkered just a bit here and a bit there , removed a passage or added one as they saw fit during the years they have been around.

just food for tought
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Doesn't surprise me. People don't know how to think for themselves. They let their 'Imam' tell them what to believe. There is NO original Bible. What was written was written by HUMANS....and we all know how humans are innocent and don't have an agenda. Sometime in this Age, Man will leave his religions and decide for himself what he thinks and believes. Until then.....this is what we get.
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Been saying this all the time, but no one listens. They are so blind and set in their ways, logic would be a shock to their system.
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im suprised each time someone qotes the bible or the qran and takes what is written in either book as unaltered information from jesus or the prophet. thoose books have been around for so damn long i refuse to belive people havent tinkered just a bit here and a bit there , removed a passage or added one as they saw fit during the years they have been around.

just food for tought
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Doesn't surprise me. People don't know how to think for themselves. They let their 'Imam' tell them what to believe. There is NO original Bible. What was written was written by HUMANS....and we all know how humans are innocent and don't have an agenda. Sometime in this Age, Man will leave his religions and decide for himself what he thinks and believes. Until then.....this is what we get.
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Been saying this all the time, but no one listens. They are so blind and set in their ways, logic would be a shock to their system.
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Don't be disheartened. Peopla are listening. They are waking up. It might be slower than we'd like, but eventually it will happen. The Age of Aquarius is when Man realizes that what is called 'god' is something he's had within him all along. He will no longer look OUTSIDE for what has been his birthright. Self-knowledge is the hallmark of this Age.
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Jesus Christ preached about abnormal sex, not homosexuality. God allows humans to pair as they wish, it is abominable sex that harms folks that is forbidden.
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Calling sin SIN is NOT judging a person! Sin is sin, period. When we say murder is a SIN, we are not juding the person who murders, we are judging the ACT of murder! It's always been wrong to kill, always will be! It's always been wrong to be homosexual, always will be! Sin is always sin, and again that is NOT judging a person!
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I hear often from gay rights activists that Jesus Christ never spoke out about homosexuality or that He never mentioned sexual orientation. This is to set the record straight, so that those with an agenda can stop claiming things they know nothing about.

This first passage is Jesus Christ speaking out against homosexuality. Notice that He differentiates between adultery and sexual immorality - this is important to note because the term 'homosexuality' was not common during His time obviously, so He used the term sexual immorality - separate from adultery - to encompass homosexuality and any other sexual wickedness that is immoral:

Mark 7:21-22

"For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."

This next passage is Jesus' affirmation of the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. He even goes as far as referencing the story of Creation in which God created male and female. Notice how He specifies a man and wife, not a man and his partner or a woman and her partner:

Matthew 19:4-5

"Haven't you read," He replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?"

So, do not let anyone tell you that Jesus Christ never spoke out against homosexuality, and that He didn't support traditional marriage. Furthermore, it is not possible for you to be a gay Christian. That is the same thing as claiming to be a Christian thief - if you are unrepentant for your sin and you continue that sin in ignorance of Jesus' teachings, you are a walking contradiction.

With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.
 Quoting: Rising Son



Your theory on the meaning of ' sexual immorality ' 2000years ago is quite an ASSUMPTION. Sounds like your talking your books, rather than objectively seeking and attemping to define facts.
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Jesus Christ preached about abnormal sex, not homosexuality. God allows humans to pair as they wish, it is abominable sex that harms folks that is forbidden.
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goofy thum
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Romans 1: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

WRONG!! Men WITH men or women WITH women is AGAINST the natural way God created us, it is a CHOICE to be gay and it is a SIN to be gay! If you notice the verses closely, God GIVES them up to vile affections because obviously they want their sin more than God! Open your bible and read it my friend!
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Calling sin SIN is NOT judging a person! Sin is sin, period. When we say murder is a SIN, we are not juding the person who murders, we are judging the ACT of murder! It's always been wrong to kill, always will be! It's always been wrong to be homosexual, always will be! Sin is always sin, and again that is NOT judging a person!
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Sin literally means separation from god. If you read what Jesus actually said, he said that what man calls 'god' is Spirit. That spirit is within MAN. Knowing oneself is the salvation you speak of, however, Chrisitanity leads astray! Knowing oneself is the process of recovery from separation.
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Calling sin SIN is NOT judging a person! Sin is sin, period. When we say murder is a SIN, we are not juding the person who murders, we are judging the ACT of murder! It's always been wrong to kill, always will be! It's always been wrong to be homosexual, always will be! Sin is always sin, and again that is NOT judging a person!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580547


Sin literally means separation from god. If you read what Jesus actually said, he said that what man calls 'god' is Spirit. That spirit is within MAN. Knowing oneself is the salvation you speak of, however, Chrisitanity leads astray! Knowing oneself is the process of recovery from separation.
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Christianity is the Antichrist. Christ came to destroy religion. After he left, they created a church that went against Christ....hence the church is the antichrist. In Hebrew numerology Christianity and Antichrist are EQUIVALENTS. Jesus fits the m.o. of the Antichrist as well. He performed miracles, most of the world follows him, he received a fatal wound to the head(Christ was crucified at a place called Golgotha, which means 'place of the skull'.) "Come away from her(the church); lest ye be judged as her."
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Calling sin SIN is NOT judging a person! Sin is sin, period. When we say murder is a SIN, we are not juding the person who murders, we are judging the ACT of murder! It's always been wrong to kill, always will be! It's always been wrong to be homosexual, always will be! Sin is always sin, and again that is NOT judging a person!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580547


Sin literally means separation from god. If you read what Jesus actually said, he said that what man calls 'god' is Spirit. That spirit is within MAN. Knowing oneself is the salvation you speak of, however, Chrisitanity leads astray! Knowing oneself is the process of recovery from separation.
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Ummm no the bible says sin is the transgression of the law or doing something wrong when we know it's wrong. It's not up for debate or our definition. We don't define sin, God does, He's creator, not us.
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Calling sin SIN is NOT judging a person! Sin is sin, period. When we say murder is a SIN, we are not juding the person who murders, we are judging the ACT of murder! It's always been wrong to kill, always will be! It's always been wrong to be homosexual, always will be! Sin is always sin, and again that is NOT judging a person!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580547


Sin literally means separation from god. If you read what Jesus actually said, he said that what man calls 'god' is Spirit. That spirit is within MAN. Knowing oneself is the salvation you speak of, however, Chrisitanity leads astray! Knowing oneself is the process of recovery from separation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29801624


Christianity is the Antichrist. Christ came to destroy religion. After he left, they created a church that went against Christ....hence the church is the antichrist. In Hebrew numerology Christianity and Antichrist are EQUIVALENTS. Jesus fits the m.o. of the Antichrist as well. He performed miracles, most of the world follows him, he received a fatal wound to the head(Christ was crucified at a place called Golgotha, which means 'place of the skull'.) "Come away from her(the church); lest ye be judged as her."
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Stop saying such stupid stuff... seriously! although the antichrist is the Papacy and came out of Christianity, we were warned in scripture and bible prophecy that would be the case. The wound being healed and ALL the world wondering after the beast happened in 1929 when the Papacy once again began to rule in Rome. In 1798 it received it's deadly wound when the Pope was taken and later died in captivity and was dead until 1929 when it was healed through Mussolini. Anyone who knows history and the bible knows all about this stuff and especially knows the Papacy is the antichrist power of the bible.
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I give u the true meaning of this story and u respond with this shit...

But Jesus took a big bong rip and said dropeth mine science uponeth these confused souls...

The Taco Bell fast food chain has found traces of horsemeat in some of its products on sale in the UK.

It has three outlets in Britain and says all its affected stock has been removed. The products had come from a supplier in Europe, the company said.

Meanwhile, new tests conducted on beef retail products revealed no new cases of horsemeat adulteration, the British Retail Consortium (BRC) has said.

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Note the word adulteration...

God put that word there... In that pinned thread so you ppl would see it.... Ask yourself, when is the last time u saw that word?

Now go back and read my post where I explain that story... It has nothing to do with a woman fucking around on her husband...

Although i will amend post to say that it does have more to do with fucking on the other side than I might have implied....

But feel free to disregard the creator and make up whatever shit u wanna believe....

That is all...
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I meant to quote the pictures of Jesus and the woman from page 6...

But fail on my part...
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Jesus Christ preached about abnormal sex, not homosexuality. God allows humans to pair as they wish, it is abominable sex that harms folks that is forbidden.
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goofy thum
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Romans 1: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

WRONG!! Men WITH men or women WITH women is AGAINST the natural way God created us, it is a CHOICE to be gay and it is a SIN to be gay! If you notice the verses closely, God GIVES them up to vile affections because obviously they want their sin more than God! Open your bible and read it my friend!
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Actually we are to:
1) love each other and
2) to love God


Its the SEX that is abnormal, NOT THE LOVE

Go INSIDE for the truth. The bible is only partially true. And a very small part of it at that. It was edited by TPTB hundreds of years ago. And many are still blindly following it. GO INSIDE your heart...

A choice to be gay, hmm then that decision was made BEFORE conception allowing advancement on the soul level. Like taking an AP class in high school. You know its going to be tough going in and all during, but the rewards are worth it.

Stop with the fear mongering and love one another hf
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I hear often from gay rights activists that Jesus Christ never spoke out about homosexuality or that He never mentioned sexual orientation. This is to set the record straight, so that those with an agenda can stop claiming things they know nothing about.

This first passage is Jesus Christ speaking out against homosexuality. Notice that He differentiates between adultery and sexual immorality - this is important to note because the term 'homosexuality' was not common during His time obviously, so He used the term sexual immorality - separate from adultery - to encompass homosexuality and any other sexual wickedness that is immoral:

Mark 7:21-22

"For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."

This next passage is Jesus' affirmation of the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. He even goes as far as referencing the story of Creation in which God created male and female. Notice how He specifies a man and wife, not a man and his partner or a woman and her partner:

Matthew 19:4-5

"Haven't you read," He replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?"

So, do not let anyone tell you that Jesus Christ never spoke out against homosexuality, and that He didn't support traditional marriage. Furthermore, it is not possible for you to be a gay Christian. That is the same thing as claiming to be a Christian thief - if you are unrepentant for your sin and you continue that sin in ignorance of Jesus' teachings, you are a walking contradiction.

With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.
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Your theory on the meaning of ' sexual immorality ' 2000years ago is quite an ASSUMPTION. Sounds like your talking your books, rather than objectively seeking and attemping to define facts.
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What else would sexual immorality mean if not that? Jesus came to fulfill the scriptures, the Old Testament. He was the living manifestation of the Word - and the Old Testament clearly dictated that homosexuality was wrong. By deductive reasoning, you are allowed to assume that sexual immorality in this case means homosexuality, because adultery has already been differentiated, leaving what had previously been defined in the Old Testament as immoral sexual acts. When coupled with Jesus' affirmation of traditional marriage in the other passage I referenced, it becomes very clear what Jesus' stance on homosexuality really is.

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guys and girls,

someone wrote marriage was to protect us for our instincts,

if you overeat chocolate it is also an instinct,
still eating chocolate in normal way is normal taste,
and it is part of being human.

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marriage is symbolic as the temple is symbolic.

once again i explain:

the girl is your past
the man is your goal
the child is the moment that integrates the two.

this is why lot went forward, his wife looked back (refelecting = repenting, which is something else then repeating im sorry and not seeing the mistake)

changed in saltpillar (salt being the residue of the waters, which are reflection)

in this way homosexuality means : ignorance
this is the meaning of the symbol,
u take the truth from behind...

the torah is both blessing as a trap,
to allow people to see in it what they want.

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rising: you are making sins up, sexual immorality means abusing, not using, we all use each other, in agreement,
but when we use without seeing the other as part of us,
we abuse.
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Your theory on the meaning of ' sexual immorality ' 2000years ago is quite an ASSUMPTION. Sounds like your talking your books, rather than objectively seeking and attemping to define facts.
 Quoting: Rising Son


What else would sexual immorality mean if not that? Jesus came to fulfill the scriptures, the Old Testament. He was the living manifestation of the Word - and the Old Testament clearly dictated that homosexuality was wrong. By deductive reasoning, you are allowed to assume that sexual immorality in this case means homosexuality, because adultery has already been differentiated, leaving what had previously been defined in the Old Testament as immoral sexual acts. When coupled with Jesus' affirmation of traditional marriage in the other passage I referenced, it becomes very clear what Jesus' stance on homosexuality really is.
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Well, fornication and masturbation just to name two of several distinct possibilities. The whole crux of your statement falls apart on that basis. Maybe you should ask yourself what you are trying to do by starting a thread such as this. There are a whole host of ills in the world. Why should this issue deserve so much focus? (rhetorical)

Food for thought; the so often called 'abomination' is clearly described as man laying with another man as if they were a woman. For starters no one should be making any blanket arguments or condemnations that extend past the act itself.

The other thing I'd like to mention is all the holy rollers think they know why God would find such an act an a 'abomination' but do they have any real idea? They seem to completely ignore the fact eating pigs, shellfish, or rabbits are all considered abominations as well (BTW I'd wager most of them are inclined to eagerly gobble all three down when given a half a chance)

What is being overlooked here is that fundamentally these laws were set down to keep a primitive people relatively free from disease, blight, genetic mutation and social disorder. Personally I'm led to believe God's loathing of man on man sex mostly has to do with how scientifically unhealthy it is to go in the exit hole. The result is bound to be eventually a premature death.

I know this will likely just get ignored so carry on trying to remove the obvious motes from the eyes of others.

And hey, how are those bloody Visene cross drops doing on working out that plank?

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Your theory on the meaning of ' sexual immorality ' 2000years ago is quite an ASSUMPTION. Sounds like your talking your books, rather than objectively seeking and attemping to define facts.
 Quoting: Rising Son


What else would sexual immorality mean if not that? Jesus came to fulfill the scriptures, the Old Testament. He was the living manifestation of the Word - and the Old Testament clearly dictated that homosexuality was wrong. By deductive reasoning, you are allowed to assume that sexual immorality in this case means homosexuality, because adultery has already been differentiated, leaving what had previously been defined in the Old Testament as immoral sexual acts. When coupled with Jesus' affirmation of traditional marriage in the other passage I referenced, it becomes very clear what Jesus' stance on homosexuality really is.
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Well, fornication and masturbation just to name two of several distinct possibilities. The whole crux of your statement falls apart on that basis. Maybe you should ask yourself what you are trying to do by starting a thread such as this. There are a whole host of ills in the world. Why should this issue deserve so much focus? (rhetorical)

Food for thought; the so often called 'abomination' is clearly described as man laying with another man as if they were a woman. For starters no one should be making any blanket arguments or condemnations that extend past the act itself.

The other thing I'd like to mention is all the holy rollers think they know why God would find such an act an a 'abomination' but do they have any real idea? They seem to completely ignore the fact eating pigs, shellfish, or rabbits are all considered abominations as well (BTW I'd wager most of them are inclined to eagerly gobble all three down when given a half a chance)

What is being overlooked here is that fundamentally these laws were set down to keep a primitive people relatively free from disease, blight, genetic mutation and social disorder. Personally I'm led to believe God's loathing of man on man sex mostly has to do with how scientifically unhealthy it is to go in the exit hole. The result is bound to be eventually a premature death.

I know this will likely just get ignored so carry on trying to remove the obvious motes from the eyes of others.

And hey, how are those bloody Visene cross drops doing on working out that plank?
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Two key words 'primitive' and 'scientific' Your skin has just been shed Heretic. GTFO of here wolf.
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Your theory on the meaning of ' sexual immorality ' 2000years ago is quite an ASSUMPTION. Sounds like your talking your books, rather than objectively seeking and attemping to define facts.
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What else would sexual immorality mean if not that? Jesus came to fulfill the scriptures, the Old Testament. He was the living manifestation of the Word - and the Old Testament clearly dictated that homosexuality was wrong. By deductive reasoning, you are allowed to assume that sexual immorality in this case means homosexuality, because adultery has already been differentiated, leaving what had previously been defined in the Old Testament as immoral sexual acts. When coupled with Jesus' affirmation of traditional marriage in the other passage I referenced, it becomes very clear what Jesus' stance on homosexuality really is.
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Well, fornication and masturbation just to name two of several distinct possibilities. The whole crux of your statement falls apart on that basis. Maybe you should ask yourself what you are trying to do by starting a thread such as this. There are a whole host of ills in the world. Why should this issue deserve so much focus? (rhetorical)

Food for thought; the so often called 'abomination' is clearly described as man laying with another man as if they were a woman. For starters no one should be making any blanket arguments or condemnations that extend past the act itself.

The other thing I'd like to mention is all the holy rollers think they know why God would find such an act an a 'abomination' but do they have any real idea? They seem to completely ignore the fact eating pigs, shellfish, or rabbits are all considered abominations as well (BTW I'd wager most of them are inclined to eagerly gobble all three down when given a half a chance)

What is being overlooked here is that fundamentally these laws were set down to keep a primitive people relatively free from disease, blight, genetic mutation and social disorder. Personally I'm led to believe God's loathing of man on man sex mostly has to do with how scientifically unhealthy it is to go in the exit hole. The result is bound to be eventually a premature death.

I know this will likely just get ignored so carry on trying to remove the obvious motes from the eyes of others.

And hey, how are those bloody Visene cross drops doing on working out that plank?
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Noah had relations with his son, isn't that both incest and homosexuality? And he was the only one saved.
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What else would sexual immorality mean if not that? Jesus came to fulfill the scriptures, the Old Testament. He was the living manifestation of the Word - and the Old Testament clearly dictated that homosexuality was wrong. By deductive reasoning, you are allowed to assume that sexual immorality in this case means homosexuality, because adultery has already been differentiated, leaving what had previously been defined in the Old Testament as immoral sexual acts. When coupled with Jesus' affirmation of traditional marriage in the other passage I referenced, it becomes very clear what Jesus' stance on homosexuality really is.
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Well, fornication and masturbation just to name two of several distinct possibilities. The whole crux of your statement falls apart on that basis. Maybe you should ask yourself what you are trying to do by starting a thread such as this. There are a whole host of ills in the world. Why should this issue deserve so much focus? (rhetorical)

Food for thought; the so often called 'abomination' is clearly described as man laying with another man as if they were a woman. For starters no one should be making any blanket arguments or condemnations that extend past the act itself.

The other thing I'd like to mention is all the holy rollers think they know why God would find such an act an a 'abomination' but do they have any real idea? They seem to completely ignore the fact eating pigs, shellfish, or rabbits are all considered abominations as well (BTW I'd wager most of them are inclined to eagerly gobble all three down when given a half a chance)

What is being overlooked here is that fundamentally these laws were set down to keep a primitive people relatively free from disease, blight, genetic mutation and social disorder. Personally I'm led to believe God's loathing of man on man sex mostly has to do with how scientifically unhealthy it is to go in the exit hole. The result is bound to be eventually a premature death.

I know this will likely just get ignored so carry on trying to remove the obvious motes from the eyes of others.

And hey, how are those bloody Visene cross drops doing on working out that plank?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Noah had relations with his son, isn't that both incest and homosexuality? And he was the only one saved.
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Bring your proof to the table so I can call YOU a LIAR
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Well, fornication and masturbation just to name two of several distinct possibilities. The whole crux of your statement falls apart on that basis. Maybe you should ask yourself what you are trying to do by starting a thread such as this. There are a whole host of ills in the world. Why should this issue deserve so much focus? (rhetorical)

Food for thought; the so often called 'abomination' is clearly described as man laying with another man as if they were a woman. For starters no one should be making any blanket arguments or condemnations that extend past the act itself.

The other thing I'd like to mention is all the holy rollers think they know why God would find such an act an a 'abomination' but do they have any real idea? They seem to completely ignore the fact eating pigs, shellfish, or rabbits are all considered abominations as well (BTW I'd wager most of them are inclined to eagerly gobble all three down when given a half a chance)

What is being overlooked here is that fundamentally these laws were set down to keep a primitive people relatively free from disease, blight, genetic mutation and social disorder. Personally I'm led to believe God's loathing of man on man sex mostly has to do with how scientifically unhealthy it is to go in the exit hole. The result is bound to be eventually a premature death.

I know this will likely just get ignored so carry on trying to remove the obvious motes from the eyes of others.

And hey, how are those bloody Visene cross drops doing on working out that plank?
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Noah had relations with his son, isn't that both incest and homosexuality? And he was the only one saved.
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Bring your proof to the table so I can call YOU a LIAR
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Let's see what Gen. 9:18-27 tells us:


The sons of Noah who went forth from the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.)
These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the people of the whole earth were dispersed.
Noah began to be a man of the soil, and he planted a vineyard.
He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father and told his two brothers outside.
Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned backward, and they did not see their father's nakedness.
When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him,
he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers."
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Jesus Christ preached about abnormal sex, not homosexuality. God allows humans to pair as they wish, it is abominable sex that harms folks that is forbidden.
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goofy thum
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Romans 1: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

WRONG!! Men WITH men or women WITH women is AGAINST the natural way God created us, it is a CHOICE to be gay and it is a SIN to be gay! If you notice the verses closely, God GIVES them up to vile affections because obviously they want their sin more than God! Open your bible and read it my friend!
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Actually we are to:
1) love each other and
2) to love God


Its the SEX that is abnormal, NOT THE LOVE

Go INSIDE for the truth. The bible is only partially true. And a very small part of it at that. It was edited by TPTB hundreds of years ago. And many are still blindly following it. GO INSIDE your heart...

A choice to be gay, hmm then that decision was made BEFORE conception allowing advancement on the soul level. Like taking an AP class in high school. You know its going to be tough going in and all during, but the rewards are worth it.

Stop with the fear mongering and love one another hf
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Your lost utterly keep believing that.
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What else would sexual immorality mean if not that? Jesus came to fulfill the scriptures, the Old Testament. He was the living manifestation of the Word - and the Old Testament clearly dictated that homosexuality was wrong. By deductive reasoning, you are allowed to assume that sexual immorality in this case means homosexuality, because adultery has already been differentiated, leaving what had previously been defined in the Old Testament as immoral sexual acts. When coupled with Jesus' affirmation of traditional marriage in the other passage I referenced, it becomes very clear what Jesus' stance on homosexuality really is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33366328

Well, fornication and masturbation just to name two of several distinct possibilities. The whole crux of your statement falls apart on that basis. Maybe you should ask yourself what you are trying to do by starting a thread such as this. There are a whole host of ills in the world. Why should this issue deserve so much focus? (rhetorical)

Food for thought; the so often called 'abomination' is clearly described as man laying with another man as if they were a woman. For starters no one should be making any blanket arguments or condemnations that extend past the act itself.

The other thing I'd like to mention is all the holy rollers think they know why God would find such an act an a 'abomination' but do they have any real idea? They seem to completely ignore the fact eating pigs, shellfish, or rabbits are all considered abominations as well (BTW I'd wager most of them are inclined to eagerly gobble all three down when given a half a chance)

What is being overlooked here is that fundamentally these laws were set down to keep a primitive people relatively free from disease, blight, genetic mutation and social disorder. Personally I'm led to believe God's loathing of man on man sex mostly has to do with how scientifically unhealthy it is to go in the exit hole. The result is bound to be eventually a premature death.

I know this will likely just get ignored so carry on trying to remove the obvious motes from the eyes of others.

And hey, how are those bloody Visene cross drops doing on working out that plank?
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Noah had relations with his son, isn't that both incest and homosexuality? And he was the only one saved.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.

Genesis 6:12

In the book of Genesis we read the blunt, categorical statement: "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God [angels] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. . . .There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men [had sexual relations with them], that they bare CHILDREN to them, the same became MIGHTY MEN which were of old, men of renown" (Gen.6:1-4).

Who were these "giants" and men of "renown"? What does the Bible tell us about them? This is a fascinating story -- one that needs to be told!

What happens when a spirit being appears as flesh, and unites with a mortal woman, and their two seeds join -- the sperm of the male and the egg of the female? This was a union which God had forbidden -- for good reason. The offspring which resulted, were not only proud, insolent, arrogant, and self-centered -- they were also extremely cunning in some cases -- and they were sometimes GIGANTIC in stature! They disrupted the entire ecology and balance of life of the world before the Flood. Admits the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary
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Noah had relations with his son, isn't that both incest and homosexuality? And he was the only one saved.
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Bring your proof to the table so I can call YOU a LIAR
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Let's see what Gen. 9:18-27 tells us:


The sons of Noah who went forth from the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.)
These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the people of the whole earth were dispersed.
Noah began to be a man of the soil, and he planted a vineyard.
He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father and told his two brothers outside.
Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned backward, and they did not see their father's nakedness.
When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him,
he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers."
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Are you really that blind? Really?
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Bring your proof to the table so I can call YOU a LIAR
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Let's see what Gen. 9:18-27 tells us:


The sons of Noah who went forth from the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.)
These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the people of the whole earth were dispersed.
Noah began to be a man of the soil, and he planted a vineyard.
He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father and told his two brothers outside.
Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned backward, and they did not see their father's nakedness.
When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him,
he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be to his brothers."
 Quoting: ParadigmShift



Are you really that blind? Really?
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That is definitely a passage about homosexual sex. Their faces were backwards. Why else would Noah be pissed?

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