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Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others

 
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actually i allready regret telling this,
if one is honest, he always stand alone not.
rs doesn talk anymore to me,
and now i will loose your attention to haha

evertyhing i say is good to loose the love of everyone,when i believe everyone is a child of god in his own little way. afraid and in need for others to confirm them, based in groups of people, afraid of the revenge of god, who is not revengefull, sometimes because of care for god, but still avoiding the care of god.

my profile fits a false prophet, still who can be a false prophet and still defend you. there was a deception promised, i told this again and again, and it will come from people who put the law of words before the law of god, his oneness.
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Crap, I made a mistake. I thought OP posted to me so I made a post replying but then saw it wasn't OP. So erasing my post. My post essentially said "preach all you want it's your thread" but then I saw it wasn't OP that posted to me. Making my post invalid. so deleting post.

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hey ,

well i explain you:

i was raised evangelical, but i have jews in the family,
i have many muslimfriends, i myself am a beleiver,
thats how i call it, a believer in the oneness and the allness of god.

still im not a mind that thinks oneness means, we are god before we are granted to be in god, we are god yes, but never without the full of god, so as long u cant set gods creation free in understanding you are not god.

i agree with christianity:
faith opens the door, but faith without works kills the law of growth in spirit, meaning faith and works are one, not opposites.

i dont agree with christianity: that the son does not come home in god, jesus was the son, as you are, before his going up to heaven, when he went up to heaven he became the christ,
the octopus of heaven, where god has many heads but one body and will.
i dont agree what they see as sin, sin is relative and is referenced against your growth, not against the law that is dead, because the law needs to be dead for god not to be divided, and this is the real law. the law kills, so you can become free, if it doesnt kill you, you are not a lost sheep, and you are of false peace, false peace, ignorance, gives you a warm perception of peace in life but if you didnt fight for gods creation, then what would you join it. and fighting goes from bad to good, from attack because of fear it evolves to defense because of understanding.


i agree with islam:
god is one, christianity does not understand, jesus was a prophet

i dont agree with islam:
the oral laws based on misunderstanding that islam confirmed the gospels, and the torah, confirmed the message of love,
just as in the bible they misread and misunderstand
i also dont agree that a muslim needs to accept the knowslegde of who is a prophet and not, a muslim is another word for believer, as islam states abraham was a muslim, because the word means in real sense, the folowwer of god, in the soul of the word muslim and christian and all other religions, they are folowwers of god.
jesus got the LAST SEAL of prophet, meaning he became the son of men when he went to his father, after crucification, not before, this seal of last prophet is the seal of elijah, and this is why mohammed was he mirror of the prophets, prophets who evolved in time and went from lost to understanding at the end of their lifes. in many cases only understanding the parables their lifes were after death.

buddhism:
explains the body of god, not the body of humans, we dont reincarnate into everything, god does, and this message is being misunderstood
i also dont agree with false peace, u dont allow everyhting, we have a burden , a cross to take and we need to fight, because this create sthe flow in the spirit, but we need to learn to fight to defend, not to attack.

hinduism: explains the many fces of god, but lost to many the truth of it, god has many aspects, in chrisitanity they are called angels, in hinduism they are the many gods.

hoppi nd other americans:
they have parables, from a spiderweb to w white brother and more, these are all parables to the paradox of god

judaism:
the keep thelaw holy, still they dont understand the jewish people is a mirror of the real jew, the jew is the prophet in the world, for example the baby that is very sick in your family, these are our prophets, and when they go early to god, they fulfilled the cross for you, they are the real jeiwsh people

the whole bible is full of mirror, which are parables of the truth, christianiy cherriepicks which is literal and abstract, judaism understand better the abstract still does not get their own mirror. islam understand the way of the lost heep still has difficculty with the uturn back, buddhaism was the religion that explains god but one uses it to think he allready is god.

actually im not part of anything, i stand alone.
 Quoting: onelastcloud


Ok thank you for your response. It is very clear to me now that you and I are oceans apart in our beliefs. But that is ok. As my avatar signature says..."we must all walk our own paths."

It's good to converse with others and explore their beliefs. I believe it helps us to understand how very diversified this world is. Regardless of beliefs, I choose who I spend time with based on their character and their heart. You come across as having strong character and a warm and loving heart. hf Have a great day and I look forward to conversing with you more:)
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thanks you. its good to have oceans apart, yhe 7 seas of people, all have another way home. for every sea there is a candle burning the same oil.
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actually i allready regret telling this,
if one is honest, he always stand alone not.
rs doesn talk anymore to me,
and now i will loose your attention to haha

evertyhing i say is good to loose the love of everyone,when i believe everyone is a child of god in his own little way. afraid and in need for others to confirm them, based in groups of people, afraid of the revenge of god, who is not revengefull, sometimes because of care for god, but still avoiding the care of god.

my profile fits a false prophet, still who can be a false prophet and still defend you. there was a deception promised, i told this again and again, and it will come from people who put the law of words before the law of god, his oneness.
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To whom are you speaking here? It would be helpful and easier to understand your posts if you address the poster you are speaking to. You have much to say and it would be nice to know who you're talking to. Also...just a helpful tip. When you say the word "mail" in your posts, you should use "post." The word "mail" in the English language refers to Email or something you would "snail mail" using the postal service:) Please let me know if I can be helpful with any other words you might be struggling with. I have a deep love for our language and words are very meaningful to me. If I can help another learn our language...all the better hf

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to everyone. maybe somewhere under the rainbow and the 7 heavens, there would be a listener.

and to you.
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The media manipulates information on a massive scale. What makes you even think the Bible has come this far without being manipulated just once.

Lets look into perspective. Truth is sought out by personal experience. Joe Blow can tell you he has experienced the best butter in the world. You however wont truly believe it until you try it for yourself.

Now lets just suppose you were not living during the era when Jesus walked the earth. Lets just suppose you were not reincarnated during this time. How would you truly know what he spoke of or what he stood for?

Have you understood what homosexuality is? Do you truly believe that homosexuals chose to have 95% of the world hate them? People can be born with both male and female parts. What makes you think manipulation of biology stops at the physical particles?

Good day to you.
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to everyone. maybe somewhere under the rainbow and the 7 heavens, there would be a listener.

and to you.
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Ok. I just wasn't sure because you began your post as if you were talking to someone specific. Again...it is just our language barrier lol
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thanks you. its good to have oceans apart, yhe 7 seas of people, all have another way home. for every sea there is a candle burning the same oil.
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Very true!! And any common ground is always step in the right direction;)
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lady: thanks but i gave up on language, it does not fit me. babel left me homeless. damascus wakes you up :p
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It has become quite clear to me and somewhat nagging (like a gnat at a BBQ that just won't leave me alone) that I'm not getting a THING done today!! LOL!!! So I'm going to go and do some things and I will check back with all of you later. Enjoying this thread Op and unlike another poster here, I don't want it to "die" and will do everything in my power to keep it going;)
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lady: have a good day, sometime si get sick of theology uff...
i also need to do something of value today eh. sometimes i look to myself and say why am i saying all those symbolic things, it bores me you know.

there is nothign better in life then just being normal and be with friends...al this hate, even when it is hidden. but anyway, Life calls when it calls, and maybe only there there is purpose.
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I hear often from gay rights activists that Jesus Christ never spoke out about homosexuality or that He never mentioned sexual orientation. This is to set the record straight, so that those with an agenda can stop claiming things they know nothing about.

This first passage is Jesus Christ speaking out against homosexuality. Notice that He differentiates between adultery and sexual immorality - this is important to note because the term 'homosexuality' was not common during His time obviously, so He used the term sexual immorality - separate from adultery - to encompass homosexuality and any other sexual wickedness that is immoral:

Mark 7:21-22

"For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."

This next passage is Jesus' affirmation of the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. He even goes as far as referencing the story of Creation in which God created male and female. Notice how He specifies a man and wife, not a man and his partner or a woman and her partner:

Matthew 19:4-5

"Haven't you read," He replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?"

So, do not let anyone tell you that Jesus Christ never spoke out against homosexuality, and that He didn't support traditional marriage. Furthermore, it is not possible for you to be a gay Christian. That is the same thing as claiming to be a Christian thief - if you are unrepentant for your sin and you continue that sin in ignorance of Jesus' teachings, you are a walking contradiction.

With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Same sex was very popular in his day. He said not to judge least you be judged. I only make one judgement that is against peop's or those who force their self on someone with out permission. That is what sexual immorality is.

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Jesus Himself called on his followers to gently but firmly rebuke the sins of each other within the church, and if that doesn't cause the Christian who is sinning to repent, He then tells us to go to that person with 2 or more others, (I don't quite recall how many) and each of them is to rebuke the sin and encourage the believer to repent from it. But if all else fails, He COMMANDS us to put that person from us! It is the doctrine of excommunication and it is both taught, and supported by the Bible and Jesus Christ Himself!
 Quoting: Lady Wolf
I would like to know where and in which Gospel Jesus is quoted as saying this. Though understand beforehand I am well aware of Paul offering that exact same advice.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Matthew 18

King James Version (KJV)

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31011281


Thank you, I often paraphrase Biblical passages from memory, but I really should take the time and post actual passages and where they're found:)
 Quoting: Lady Wolf


Nice job of trying to sweep under the rug the fact your sloppy paraphrasing completely morphed Jesus into teaching how we are justified in pointing out each others sins instead of a simple instruction on settling a dispute when one believer thinks they have been wronged by another believer. I get it.

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49John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us.”50But Jesus said to him, “Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.”
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27“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.29“Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.30“Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.31“Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.32“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.33“If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.34“If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount.35“But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.36“Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.38“Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”
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eye.43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit.44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush.45“The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.

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46“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?47“Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like:
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Luke 7:47-50, “Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
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now religion theology always twists
- faith
- the absolute mercy of god

if god has mercy then where has his mercy to do with faith, a choise u make, he can only have mercy if sin is relative or if he doesnt judge at all, and the only sin is against the spirit, ignorance of a better you, as choice, called the sin.

so maybe, theology understands both faith as mercy wrong.

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"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "Nobody is good except for one—God.
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7“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.8“For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.9“Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone?10“Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?11“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!

12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

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the biggest misconception of christianity, that one is saved by the association with jesus and not with the association with god himself as truth, way, life and son.
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the son, christ, is the body of "the will of god" as an octopus having many heads, being on body, this is gods son and equal to god, or also named new jerusalem or god,
this octopus is what jesus called christ, and jesus saw his own head connected to this all.

the misconception of the son.
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the will is grown, while the structure of god was always there,
the paradox of life. god chose to become god, still was always god.

the father does not judge, he has given all judgement to the son, and it is not me who will judge you but you he who does not want to see me, that will judge himself.

still, even if u grow a seed of truth in a quart of a plant, or half a plant, even then you grow me inside.
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if you would have believed mozes,
you would have believed jesus,
and you would believe you in me.
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Fail.

Matthew 7:1-5

King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


In context, that refers only to hypocritical judgement since Yeshua tells us this,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

And Leviticus,

You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. Leviticus 19:17

And Psalms,

"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa 37:30)

"With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth." (Psa 119:13)

"Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy." (Prov 31:9)
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So the short answer is that Jesus NEVER preached against Homosexuals .. Immorality does not equal Homosexuality .. that is your interpretation .. not the word of Jesus !! Old Testament was b4 jesus .. so not the word of Jesus !!
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Yep we're all sinners not just gays, I do think homosexuality is wrong but I don't judge the person because we all sin so to single out gays is just wrong
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So the short answer is that Jesus NEVER preached against Homosexuals .. Immorality does not equal Homosexuality .. that is your interpretation .. not the word of Jesus !! Old Testament was b4 jesus .. so not the word of Jesus !!
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Yes - this is my interpretation of what Jesus meant by sexual immorality, so it is possible that I have misinterpreted what Jesus said. Everyone must read the words of Jesus for themselves and discern for themselves through thoughtful prayer and meditation.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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We do tell our children not to lie, not to steal, not to murder, etc, The Father tells us the same. If you saw your little brother about to steal your neighbor's car or kill your neighbor wouldn't you try to stop him? I hope you would at least tell him it's wrong!

So it is with the homosexual issue and yes you can try to parse it out, but it's still WRONG. Do I judge you? No! I am a sinner myself.

Notwithstanding is there any here without sin? No! We are saved by grace (if we ask and repent of that sin). I mean how many heterosexuals have looked on an attractive person of the opposite sex and had thoughts of a lustful nature? That makes you an adulterer/adulteress by the Jesus' standards. In other words a sin. A sin that is just as bad because in the sight of God all sin is as bad.

Then there is always repentance. It's your choice. If you would like to see what God through Ezechiel thought about it check out Chapter 22. He caused the kingdom to fall because of their transgressions.

Bottom line, none of us are holy. We all need the Saviour to cover our sin

May our Holy Father bless you all

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