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Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others

 
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Continued in Matthew 19


10 His disciples said unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

In other words . . . Jesus explained homosexuality was a natural occurrence, a GIFT.

Bumping uglies is a different story!
 Quoting: Jeremiah 24508494


Not all in bible is from God nor is all prophecy, Homosexuality is from the Devil and result of fall and corruption even nature is fallen and his power influenced as does he man.

I tell ye this no homosexual shall enter Heaven, they must repent and overcome the spirit within them which bringeth them the desires. Only the truly repentant shall enter heaven it is one most difficult places to enter.
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In other words . . . Jesus explained homosexuality was a natural occurrence, a GIFT.
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grizzy Some "gift." UNINVITED... [link to www.chick.com]
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as if sexual immorality is not a heterosexual phenomenon.
Exalted is He from what they utter. Exalted is He from what they imagine. Exalted is He that exists without a place. Exalted is He that was there forever without a time or a beginning. Exalted is He that will be there forever without a time or an end. Exalted is He that will forever be praised. That is your God.
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As said before, the Bible is not the word of God. It was written by man, and edited by kings to fit their agenda. It is nothing but a ploy to control the masses. I totally believe in God, but organized religion is BS.
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1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

READ IT AND READ IT WELL. Then READ IT AGAIN UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND IT.

When...

- The Government is 20 TRILLION in debt...
- When the CIA can kidnap and murder at will (in gross violation of Exodus 20:13)...
- When FEMA are building death camps across the USA...
- When the mark of the beast is on every product and being chipped into dogs and humans...
- When World War Three is just around the corner in the Middle East...
- When nearly 50,000,000 Americans live on food stamps...
- When millions are homeless in the USA...
- When taxpayers cash is going to fund huge bonuses for the worshippers of Mammon...

...DON"T WASTE OUR TIME WITH YOUR TRIVIAL DRIVEL.
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As said before, the Bible is not the word of God. It was written by man, and edited by kings to fit their agenda. It is nothing but a ploy to control the masses. I totally believe in God, but organized religion is BS.
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Some of bible is from the Devil and some is from God, some is mistranslated. The Op is correct that Homosexuals shall not enter Heaven, I should know I am God. The prophecy are being fulfilled in ways mankind did not expect allot it is hidden and some of the prophecy are from the Devil, he has his own plans and things are almost finished. There is much the world does not know but will learn at end.
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Leviticus 18:22
22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:24-32
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jude 1:7-8
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Deuteronomy 22:5
5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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The Bond Between Man and Woman



There's a deep spiritual reasoning behind Adam and Eve's creation. Let's take a look.
 
 
Genesis  2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 
 
Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 
 
 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 
 
 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. 
 
 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 
 
 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 
 
 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 
 
 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 
 
 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 
 
 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 
 
 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
 
 
So here we have Adam,  the perfect human at that point. He knew no evil,  only the Words of his Creator. However, God saw that although everything was perfect as it was, that man needed a mate. He thereby created Eve. Now, Father could have made Eve just like He made Adam, but He didn't. He took one of Adams ribs and made her. Therefore, woman was a part of man and man was a part of woman. So now we all understand what it means when God said;
 
"2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." - Genesis
 
 
A man needs a woman and a woman needs a man, in order to be WHOLE, in order to be PERFECT (Adam, one flesh) . Man and woman NEED each other PERIOD. Of course, this is assuming that both are people of God. This is why man has traits that the woman does not and vice versa. Both sides need the traits of the opposite sex. A man needs a caring, nurturing woman, who is able to back him and be there for him at all times. When he's stressed, he needs her to lift his burdens away. When he's sick, she'll be there to help aide him to wellness. A woman needs a guide, a protector, a strong man. One who will deal with all her emotional issues/stresses, her lows and her highs. One that will be there, when she needs a shoulder to cry on. A man that will make her smile, when everything seems to be going wrong. A man and woman together under God is a powerful thing. So, you should also now be aware why Satan has constantly been attacking the family structure. A family without both man and wife is broken. It cannot stand. Especially when it comes to children, because that ONE unit that he/she needs is absent, it's divided. This is also why we have homosexuality and divorce. Homosexuality goes against the very REASONING behind God's will for man and woman.
 
 
Man and man cannot stand. Woman and woman cannot stand. If it were in Father's will for homosexuality to be acceptable, then both sexes would have the appropriate body parts, in order to procreate. This is also why a man in a homosexual relationship lacks the necessities of a wife. This is also why a woman in a homosexual relationship lacks the necessities of a husband. It cannot happen, because it wasn't MEANT to happen. As for divorce, it's common sense really. If people followed Father and allowed Him to choose their mates, we wouldn't see the mess that we do. Now, divorce is just a cop out, if you want another mate or because the spouse didn't give what the other wanted. God is against that. Also, I believe that most of us all have a yearning to be with someone. God allowed us to have that (although not all are meant nor fit to be married). However, these days, since people know not God, they go about finding it all wrong and honestly it just creates a big mess. Unplanned pregnancy, broken hearts, all of that. The media and society, doesn't help neither, for it teaches us, that the man should only seek after his wants and not the woman's and vice versa. Judging from all the complaints on here about people's relationships, that's exactly what people are believing to be right. Satan knows, that a family under God cannot be destroyed. 
 
Matthew  18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 
 
18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. (This does apply to families as well). 
 
 
Ephesians  5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 
 
 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 
 
 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 
 
 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 
 
 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 
 
5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 
 
 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 
 
 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 
 
 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 
 
 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 
 
 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 
 
 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
 
 
Glory be to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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By this reasoning then, Jesus was married.
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Leviticus 18:22
22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:24-32
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jude 1:7-8
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Deuteronomy 22:5
5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
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silly christian, you have judged by the law. now you have made yourself subject to its entirety.
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you show me the original version of the bible and the verses you quote, not some hunk of useless junk that has been bastardized countless times over the last two thousand years and I'll argue your point. As it is, using fake bible quotes to make your point is ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself and your religion.
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I hear often from gay rights activists that Jesus Christ never spoke out about homosexuality or that He never mentioned sexual orientation. This is to set the record straight, so that those with an agenda can stop claiming things they know nothing about.

This first passage is Jesus Christ speaking out against homosexuality. Notice that He differentiates between adultery and sexual immorality - this is important to note because the term 'homosexuality' was not common during His time obviously, so He used the term sexual immorality - separate from adultery - to encompass homosexuality and any other sexual wickedness that is immoral:

Mark 7:21-22

"For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."

This next passage is Jesus' affirmation of the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. He even goes as far as referencing the story of Creation in which God created male and female. Notice how He specifies a man and wife, not a man and his partner or a woman and her partner:

Matthew 19:4-5

"Haven't you read," He replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?"

So, do not let anyone tell you that Jesus Christ never spoke out against homosexuality, and that He didn't support traditional marriage. Furthermore, it is not possible for you to be a gay Christian. That is the same thing as claiming to be a Christian thief - if you are unrepentant for your sin and you continue that sin in ignorance of Jesus' teachings, you are a walking contradiction.

With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.
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your argument is half-true OP.

no He did NOT ' support traditional marriage'.

remember how the Fall itself caused this frame we live in,
a frame that is giving the soul 'feelings',
and though yes homosexuality is the wrong way,
it is ALSO wrong when a man is posessing his wife.

...it is but a more subtle way for the soul to get what she wants - by using his wife to get what his soul wants.

see?

...He wants, to get out of this frame, alltogether
- because it is this frame that is blind and deaf

so He most certainly wasnt advocating ' traditional marriage'
but the latter was the best option, in this fallen world.

But not the GOAL.
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Leviticus 18:22
22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:24-32
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jude 1:7-8
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Deuteronomy 22:5
5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
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this is the Real scripture right here they noboby dont want to hear Pure Truth.. straight out the real and only truthful version kjv thanks for putting these scriptures on
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practice, being the key word. just as a drunk should not drink, he is still a drunk until the day he dies.

do not the sin...YOU ARE VERY MUCH LOVED!!!
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Leviticus 18:22
22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:24-32
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jude 1:7-8
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Deuteronomy 22:5
5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
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this is the Real scripture right here they noboby dont want to hear Pure Truth.. straight out the real and only truthful version kjv thanks for putting these scriptures on
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KJV is not the original, that is why it is called THE KING JAMES version.
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Enoch explains it in the Secrets of Enoch

as 'vitium sodomiticum'

Enoch being the great grandfather of Noah. Clearly Enoch saw souls awaiting judgement for acts of sodomy way back then. And what they refer to Eunuchs in the Bible, are those born sterile or taking a vow of chastity.
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Just another ridiculous post about someone else's business.

What does it fricken matter to you, it has no impact on you- don't like gays in media, stop watching - it would do you well.

When is the last time a man ran up to you, ripped off your pants and stuck his dick up your ass?

It continues to be a debate that has no barring on your well being... Perhaps we will call it a smoke screen to make you talk and obsess over what is not important, but sure drives a great debate while they strip your freedoms, bankrupt the country, attack foreign sovereign nations, sell drugs through the CIA, privatize prisons and imprison record numbers.

WAKE THE HELL UP AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING USEFUL!!!!! UNPIN PLEASE!

I am not gay, I don't understand it and don't care, that is their choice and their path... Not yours
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How the fuck did this get pinned??? Grow up O.P. and mind your own business. Your god doesnt control other peoples lives.
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if we don't teach our children to think, Christianity will teach them not to
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Continued in Matthew 19


10 His disciples said unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

In other words . . . Jesus explained homosexuality was a natural occurrence, a GIFT.

Bumping uglies is a different story!
 Quoting: Jeremiah 24508494


Jesus was referring to celibacy, not homosexuality. He was speaking about those who are unable to procreate. I urge you not to take the bible out of context.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Thank you OP I explained this later. Eunuchs meaning men born sterile, or taking a vow of chastity.

Good Karma for you for fighting for the word
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if we don't teach our children to think, Christianity will teach them not to
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Best quote I have ever seen.
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The fact you put in your title "Traditional Marriage" tells me you think there is another kind. If you believe in Man/Woman is the only Marriage, then you should make your point that way.
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The fact you put in your title "Traditional Marriage" tells me you think there is another kind. If you believe in Man/Woman is the only Marriage, then you should make your point that way.
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I was only trying to annotate or relate to how some might think of marriage. I myself only see marriage as a union between man/woman before God, as was described in the bible and what our society is based on. The contemporary view on marriage is one of capitulation, indifference, and apathy - ironically enough, it will lead to the death of marriage.
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if we don't teach our children to think, Christianity will teach them not to
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Best quote I have ever seen.
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For someone who sanctions thinking, you sure have few words to back up that sponsorship...
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How the fuck did this get pinned??? Grow up O.P. and mind your own business. Your god doesnt control other peoples lives.
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If you have nothing constructive to contribute, then why did you not mind your own business and open this thread, when it was clearly about a topic you disagreed with me on?
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Re: Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others
I hear often from gay rights activists that Jesus Christ never spoke out about homosexuality or that He never mentioned sexual orientation. This is to set the record straight, so that those with an agenda can stop claiming things they know nothing about.

This first passage is Jesus Christ speaking out against homosexuality. Notice that He differentiates between adultery and sexual immorality - this is important to note because the term 'homosexuality' was not common during His time obviously, so He used the term sexual immorality - separate from adultery - to encompass homosexuality and any other sexual wickedness that is immoral:

Mark 7:21-22

"For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."

This next passage is Jesus' affirmation of the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. He even goes as far as referencing the story of Creation in which God created male and female. Notice how He specifies a man and wife, not a man and his partner or a woman and her partner:

Matthew 19:4-5

"Haven't you read," He replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?"

So, do not let anyone tell you that Jesus Christ never spoke out against homosexuality, and that He didn't support traditional marriage. Furthermore, it is not possible for you to be a gay Christian. That is the same thing as claiming to be a Christian thief - if you are unrepentant for your sin and you continue that sin in ignorance of Jesus' teachings, you are a walking contradiction.

With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.
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your argument is half-true OP.

no He did NOT ' support traditional marriage'.

remember how the Fall itself caused this frame we live in,
a frame that is giving the soul 'feelings',
and though yes homosexuality is the wrong way,
it is ALSO wrong when a man is posessing his wife.

...it is but a more subtle way for the soul to get what she wants - by using his wife to get what his soul wants.

see?

...He wants, to get out of this frame, alltogether
- because it is this frame that is blind and deaf

so He most certainly wasnt advocating ' traditional marriage'
but the latter was the best option, in this fallen world.

But not the GOAL.
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I'm not completely sure I understand you - but to say that Jesus was not advocating for a traditional marriage based on the misapplication of it is not proof that He didn't advocate it.
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By this reasoning then, Jesus was married.
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That is a really good point, and I as a Christian am not averse to the discussion of whether or not Jesus was married. If He practiced what He preached, then by all means, He should have been married. I don't know if the DaVinci Code is at all correct, but Christ being married is certainly not a game changer for me. If anything, it provides me even more conviction in my beliefs.
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Just another ridiculous post about someone else's business.

What does it fricken matter to you, it has no impact on you- don't like gays in media, stop watching - it would do you well.

When is the last time a man ran up to you, ripped off your pants and stuck his dick up your ass?

It continues to be a debate that has no barring on your well being... Perhaps we will call it a smoke screen to make you talk and obsess over what is not important, but sure drives a great debate while they strip your freedoms, bankrupt the country, attack foreign sovereign nations, sell drugs through the CIA, privatize prisons and imprison record numbers.

WAKE THE HELL UP AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING USEFUL!!!!! UNPIN PLEASE!

I am not gay, I don't understand it and don't care, that is their choice and their path... Not yours
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That's what your type doesn't get. It doesn't matter if it affects us or not. The point is that it is an abomination in God's eyes. This has nothing to do with whether it affects anyone personally. What a humanist assertion. It's become clearly to me that your type simply can not comprehend this concept. It's not possible for you.
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Re: Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others
1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

READ IT AND READ IT WELL. Then READ IT AGAIN UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND IT.

When...

- The Government is 20 TRILLION in debt...
- When the CIA can kidnap and murder at will (in gross violation of Exodus 20:13)...
- When FEMA are building death camps across the USA...
- When the mark of the beast is on every product and being chipped into dogs and humans...
- When World War Three is just around the corner in the Middle East...
- When nearly 50,000,000 Americans live on food stamps...
- When millions are homeless in the USA...
- When taxpayers cash is going to fund huge bonuses for the worshippers of Mammon...

...DON"T WASTE OUR TIME WITH YOUR TRIVIAL DRIVEL.
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I understand your frustration with the growing number of real problems we have in this country, and in this world. However, the concept of marriage and family are the building blocks of life and of this country. If we allow them to be destroyed, nothing else will matter because we have become rotten from within.
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Re: Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others
as if sexual immorality is not a heterosexual phenomenon.
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That's a good point, but sexual immorality with heterosexual people is called adultery, which Jesus also spoke out against.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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