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Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others

 
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btw, enoch received parables of above, just as your temple is abstract, but i remember you pick and choose what is abstract, temple yes, marriage no.
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Enoch wasn't given Parables, Enoch was brought into Heaven and shown the wonders. My brother I don't condemn you, but God is not a hypocrite as His son showed us. I am only saying this because I LOVE you. Judgment day comes sooner then you think my friend
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instead of killin me god gave me love and a better truth.
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That was not God that answered you that was the Devil. God is of truth and justice. One sin is enough that is all. I understand you have been LIED to, but it's ok most people have. Your homosexuality is an abomination of the DEVIL
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Remember how we talked about love, humility and compassion a few weeks ago?

hf
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Why yes I do Lisa and I have compassion for this man, in fact saying I wasn't compassion would tell that it's ok what he was doing when it is in direct violation of LAWS, that is the problem with today's churches. I will pray for him because I love him, but it is wrong to say it is OK. This man could be my brother, in fact my mother is a lesbian and I have set her straight according to the LAWS that God gave us, and by denying her flesh her riches will be more in Heaven. You think it was easy to call my own mother out? No but I call her out because I LOVE her, and judgment comes sooner then we think.
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im happy you feel compassion, its a start, and a good one, and thank you.

still, the theological discussion is needed, because many people suffer because of the fear of sins that are not.
I did not see you replying my mails about the torah, nor saw you ssing an explination why jesus would deny a 12 year old child bread, and give him stones, and this for his whole youth. Christians (as in religion) dont have answers and need to rely on dogma to answer that what they can not explain.
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That was not God that answered you that was the Devil. God is of truth and justice. One sin is enough that is all. I understand you have been LIED to, but it's ok most people have. Your homosexuality is an abomination of the DEVIL
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Remember how we talked about love, humility and compassion a few weeks ago?

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Why yes I do Lisa and I have compassion for this man, in fact saying I wasn't compassion would tell that it's ok what he was doing when it is in direct violation of LAWS, that is the problem with today's churches. I will pray for him because I love him, but it is wrong to say it is OK. This man could be my brother, in fact my mother is a lesbian and I have set her straight according to the LAWS that God gave us, and by denying her flesh her riches will be more in Heaven. You think it was easy to call my own mother out? No but I call her out because I LOVE her, and judgment comes sooner then we think.
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I"m glad you love him. Nobody is saying that homosexuality is "ok", and most people know it is against God's law as it's a sin, same as any other sin.

What I am saying is that it's not our job to beat people over the head with the bible, and it doesn't even work anyway. What we can do is love them anyway and let the Holy Spirit do His job. It's not our business to go around condemning others, but it is our job to love them, pray for them, encourage them and build them up.

hf
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Lisa

Of course of love this man. But I am showing him the truth, and the truth hurts. I would rather help to save this mans soul then let it be cast to Sheol. Believe me I want this man in Heaven before I want myself, the truth is the truth, otherwise it is hypocrisy.

There will come a day in our own lives when it is to LATE to ask for forgiveness, and I don't want that to happen to anyone.

And Lisa you know I love you.

HF
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btw, enoch received parables of above, just as your temple is abstract, but i remember you pick and choose what is abstract, temple yes, marriage no.
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Enoch wasn't given Parables, Enoch was brought into Heaven and shown the wonders. My brother I don't condemn you, but God is not a hypocrite as His son showed us. I am only saying this because I LOVE you. Judgment day comes sooner then you think my friend
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PS: again fear is what you give me. My judgement i lived through life and will do until i will go there where god needs me.

enoch was parable, and if not proof me he even existed.
you can not. still you believe an old men more then you belief me. because jesus told it ? well i believe in what jesus said and the torah, why dont you ? because the torah is full or not, every "sin" equal in our eyes or no torah.
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That was not God that answered you that was the Devil. God is of truth and justice. One sin is enough that is all. I understand you have been LIED to, but it's ok most people have. Your homosexuality is an abomination of the DEVIL
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Remember how we talked about love, humility and compassion a few weeks ago?

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Why yes I do Lisa and I have compassion for this man, in fact saying I wasn't compassion would tell that it's ok what he was doing when it is in direct violation of LAWS, that is the problem with today's churches. I will pray for him because I love him, but it is wrong to say it is OK. This man could be my brother, in fact my mother is a lesbian and I have set her straight according to the LAWS that God gave us, and by denying her flesh her riches will be more in Heaven. You think it was easy to call my own mother out? No but I call her out because I LOVE her, and judgment comes sooner then we think.
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im happy you feel compassion, its a start, and a good one, and thank you.

still, the theological discussion is needed, because many people suffer because of the fear of sins that are not.
I did not see you replying my mails about the torah, nor saw you ssing an explination why jesus would deny a 12 year old child bread, and give him stones, and this for his whole youth. Christians (as in religion) dont have answers and need to rely on dogma to answer that what they can not explain.
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I am very compassionate. My mother is a lesbian and I was ridiculed greatly back in the 80's, but I never stopped loving her. Recently, I brought her back to the TRUTH, and now I can say that she might be saved. I didn't chastise her, I presented Her the truth that no church would.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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i have to go now, take care you all.

> is there a difference between any law in the torah ?

> stones intead of breath for a child ?

i still need replies of you all.
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Remember how we talked about love, humility and compassion a few weeks ago?

hf
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Why yes I do Lisa and I have compassion for this man, in fact saying I wasn't compassion would tell that it's ok what he was doing when it is in direct violation of LAWS, that is the problem with today's churches. I will pray for him because I love him, but it is wrong to say it is OK. This man could be my brother, in fact my mother is a lesbian and I have set her straight according to the LAWS that God gave us, and by denying her flesh her riches will be more in Heaven. You think it was easy to call my own mother out? No but I call her out because I LOVE her, and judgment comes sooner then we think.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


I"m glad you love him. Nobody is saying that homosexuality is "ok", and most people know it is against God's law as it's a sin, same as any other sin.

What I am saying is that it's not our job to beat people over the head with the bible, and it doesn't even work anyway. What we can do is love them anyway and let the Holy Spirit do His job. It's not our business to go around condemning others, but it is our job to love them, pray for them, encourage them and build them up.

hf
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Lisa

Of course of love this man. But I am showing him the truth, and the truth hurts. I would rather help to save this mans soul then let it be cast to Sheol. Believe me I want this man in Heaven before I want myself, the truth is the truth, otherwise it is hypocrisy.

There will come a day in our own lives when it is to LATE to ask for forgiveness, and I don't want that to happen to anyone.

And Lisa you know I love you.

HF
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I love you too. hugs


1 Corinthians 13:4-7 "Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends."
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And you're a wonderful friend to me as well.

Let's just focus on spreading His love with the world, and let the Holy Spirit do the growing, correcting and changing as need be in each person along the way. You're doing an awesome job, keep on going and remember the love above all else.

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Thank you, Lisa - as usual, you are correct, and you have showed me the error of my ways. I am so defensive about people who distort the message that I don't see the power that the Holy Spirit has on us to make the determination for us. I keep trying to force or control something I have no business controlling, and I need to trust in Christ that He will guide those chosen to our Father's Kingdom. Thank you :-)


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We are all works in progress sweetie, myself included.

If I ever manage to say anything that is correct, it's not me, it's Him. It's always Him.

hf
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Did I mention you are humble too ;-)

I have been trying to formulate an appropriate Christian response to homosexuality, and I found one in a youtube video debate between two Christian ministers, one gay, one straight:

What does a Christian response to homosexuality look like? It begins with the affirmation that human beings are created and loved by God. That all people are viewed as fellow human beings, first and foremost, and regardless of sexual orientation. It recognizes and renounces heterosexual sin and hypocrisy, while understanding homosexuality to be another aspect of our broken and imperfect world, that it is something contrary to God's order and design. While it recognizes members of the gay and lesbian communities as objects of God's love, it also recognizes homosexual practices and homosexual unions as clearly contrary to God's Will.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Remember how we talked about love, humility and compassion a few weeks ago?

hf
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Why yes I do Lisa and I have compassion for this man, in fact saying I wasn't compassion would tell that it's ok what he was doing when it is in direct violation of LAWS, that is the problem with today's churches. I will pray for him because I love him, but it is wrong to say it is OK. This man could be my brother, in fact my mother is a lesbian and I have set her straight according to the LAWS that God gave us, and by denying her flesh her riches will be more in Heaven. You think it was easy to call my own mother out? No but I call her out because I LOVE her, and judgment comes sooner then we think.
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im happy you feel compassion, its a start, and a good one, and thank you.

still, the theological discussion is needed, because many people suffer because of the fear of sins that are not.
I did not see you replying my mails about the torah, nor saw you ssing an explination why jesus would deny a 12 year old child bread, and give him stones, and this for his whole youth. Christians (as in religion) dont have answers and need to rely on dogma to answer that what they can not explain.
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I am very compassionate. My mother is a lesbian and I was ridiculed greatly back in the 80's, but I never stopped loving her. Recently, I brought her back to the TRUTH, and now I can say that she might be saved. I didn't chastise her, I presented Her the truth that no church would.
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its beautifull that you did that, i will better not give my opinion that it was or was not the best goal yet, but your intention is from god if it was to save her.
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i have to go now, take care you all.


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I"m signing off too. God bless.

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i have to go now, take care you all.

> is there a difference between any law in the torah ?

> stones intead of breath for a child ?

i still need replies of you all.
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You are loved just know that, not only by me but your Father above and His son.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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it is a sin!
and when I look at a woman wanting her is a sin too, and I will not be delivered from it while I breath.

Why the hell do you want to be justified in peoples eyes?!
You want to be better than I, justified?
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sometimes care can do not perfect things, but the intention of care comes from god.
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it is a sin!
and when I look at a woman wanting her is a sin too, and I will not be delivered from it while I breath.

Why the hell do you want to be justified in peoples eyes?!
You want to be better than I, justified?
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people need to be justified, so they can feel safe, only if they feel safe they can care fully.

good and evil go hand in hand sometimes.
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i have to go now, take care you all.

> is there a difference between any law in the torah ?

> stones intead of breath for a child ?

i still need replies of you all.
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You are loved just know that, not only by me but your Father above and His son.
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thanks by for now. stay caring :D lol
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it is a sin!
and when I look at a woman wanting her is a sin too, and I will not be delivered from it while I breath.

Why the hell do you want to be justified in peoples eyes?!
You want to be better than I, justified?
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people need to be justified, so they can feel safe, only if they feel safe they can care fully.

good and evil go hand in hand sometimes.
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no, you cannot(!) be justified! Live with it. Don't be a pussy!!! You can be saved though. But do not ask me how the latter shall be done. I wish I knew it fully.
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im talking about the theoritcs behind the feelings :P :)
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I hope i will still get a response.

James writes that if we disobey one commandment, we are guilty of all (James 2:10).

but a christian gay (loving another) goes to hell and a christian drunkard (who hurts his children sometimes or perhaps because of it) goes to heaven ?

i still think it is very dogmatic and i hope to receive more answers.

the other thing, why would god give stones when a child ask bread ?
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"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"

i dont see many christians wlk into a temple in jerusalem, i agree the temple is abstract, spiritual,

so marriage is not ? where it concerns sin,
ofcourse marriage is not a bad thing,
but we talk about the logic behind faith now.
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Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" , He replies, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind.'

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or the law judjes everyone, or the law judges nobody,
which does not mean evil does not exist,
there is a greater sin, against the spirit,
and the spirit is what gives better truth every day and every second,the spirit is one, and it means love,
the sin against, is ignorance against people, ignorance to grow in love, and this again and again,
but even a heart of stone, can melt one day.
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the sin against the spirit, is the sin of chosing wrong, instead of caring more for the whole of you, you care less.
its not really sin, it is choice.

thats it. thats the gospel.
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so keep thinking gays are bad. i only hope one day the stones you would throw for salvation, will be of care and not of fear.
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"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"

i dont see many christians wlk into a temple in jerusalem, i agree the temple is abstract, spiritual,

so marriage is not ? where it concerns sin,
ofcourse marriage is not a bad thing,
but we talk about the logic behind faith now.
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I do keep,the true sabbath holy Friday till Saturday night, just as God commanded all His children to do through all generations. Don't worry about what other Christians do, worry about what you do. Sodomy i a sin, homosexuality is a sin, and that is the TRUTH.

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isnt that why God destroyed Sodom and gomorrah ? man on Man, man with beast, no morals with sex?
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No. The sin of S & G was inhospitality to traveling strangers (no Holiday Inns in those days), being blessed with plenty yet unthankful, being haughty and selfish.

Read Genesis 19. The only sex that occurs is when Lot gets drunk and has sex with his daughters in a cave.
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so keep thinking gays are bad. i only hope one day the stones you would throw for salvation, will be of care and not of fear.
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Gays aren't bad the actions they commit are. Can you not see the difference?

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also of importance, the torah is not in function when there is no temple in jerusalem... this is another trap in the bible, to allow us to find love.

also the torah was made for the jew...+

there are my holes in christian teheology, i do not say this to attack christ, but to defend him, and his love,
the message of christ is not owned by a religious group,
but by each own in the acceptance they find.

still it is important to defend.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:26-27 ESV

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Leviticus 18:22 ESV

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 ESV

Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,


1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality

Leviticus 20:13 ESV

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them


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yes, jesus certainly qualified his support of traditional marriage to his inner circle after his encouragement of it. he wasn't obsessed by the subject of homosexuality (like so many self-repressed on here), in fact never once specifically refers to you folk's 'horrible sin' of homosexuality in the gospels, period.

your corinthians ref., btw, is not accurate. one term translated as 'soft' and sometimes 'effeminate' is most accurately, according to greek scholars, rendered as 'morally lax', nothing more. the other term's meaning is not known for certain, but is speculated to denote a male prostitute. anyway, that is neither here nor there on this thread, because it's about op putting words in jesus's mouth which he never uttered in any direct reference to homosexuality in the bible. in contrast to you guys, apparently he had completely different priorities, such as love and forgiveness.

in old testament, david loved jonathan passionately, and even had a ceremony to consecrate their love. no condemnation implied in that case, interestingly, though same sex unions have existed in practically every culture always.
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ok now wait just a minute here. To love someone has nothing what so ever to do with disagreeing with them. And to forgive someone? To forgive means to pardon someone who is sorry for what they have done and who turns away from it and does not continue to do it and throw it in your face. I do not see how either of these two verbs have anything to do with the subject of this thread.

Just because I do not agree with what someone does. It does not mean I don't love that person. That's just it. Christians have been admonished, actually ORDERED by this very Jesus whom you toute had nothing against homosexuality, to preach the gospel to all the world. Those are our marching orders. Telling you something is a sin, IS love! It's not judgement. Any more than pulling you out of the way of an on-coming truck is judgement! I, the OP and others on here are simply telling you how GOD feels about what you're doing AND justifying in your own reprobate minds, is wrong. It is sin. If I were a thief and flaunting it in your face and showing you all of the goods I have robbed. Would you consider it judging me to tell me that what I was doing was wrong? Or against the law? Or would you expect me to see it as a friendly warning and admonishment to stop stealing things?

I think part of the problem is that people don't know the difference between loving admonition and judging. The two are very different things. I think it's time we learn the difference and stop calling an apple an orange.
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stealing harms others; loving the person of one's choice harms no one, makes the world a brighter place. apples and oranges, ms. wolf.
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I'm afraid this is where we're in disagreement. This is not about loving someone in the sense that we ought to love everyone. The kind of love you speak of is against God's laws and his plan for human kind. It not only harms the one who does this, it harms the society who chooses to bury their heads in the sand and look the other way rather than calling this out for what it is. Grave sin in the eyes of God. I'm sorry if that sounds "intolerant" or "hateful" But the truth is rarely welcomed with open arms. Sadly it is usually shunned, ridiculed and received with hatred for the messenger. I'm not saying that you hate me, I'm simply speaking in general terms.
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Could Jesus have been gay? He never seemed to hook up with girls. He always was around men.

No offense, just a thought.
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yes, jesus certainly qualified his support of traditional marriage to his inner circle after his encouragement of it. he wasn't obsessed by the subject of homosexuality (like so many self-repressed on here), in fact never once specifically refers to you folk's 'horrible sin' of homosexuality in the gospels, period.

your corinthians ref., btw, is not accurate. one term translated as 'soft' and sometimes 'effeminate' is most accurately, according to greek scholars, rendered as 'morally lax', nothing more. the other term's meaning is not known for certain, but is speculated to denote a male prostitute. anyway, that is neither here nor there on this thread, because it's about op putting words in jesus's mouth which he never uttered in any direct reference to homosexuality in the bible. in contrast to you guys, apparently he had completely different priorities, such as love and forgiveness.

in old testament, david loved jonathan passionately, and even had a ceremony to consecrate their love. no condemnation implied in that case, interestingly, though same sex unions have existed in practically every culture always.
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ok now wait just a minute here. To love someone has nothing what so ever to do with disagreeing with them. And to forgive someone? To forgive means to pardon someone who is sorry for what they have done and who turns away from it and does not continue to do it and throw it in your face. I do not see how either of these two verbs have anything to do with the subject of this thread.

Just because I do not agree with what someone does. It does not mean I don't love that person. That's just it. Christians have been admonished, actually ORDERED by this very Jesus whom you toute had nothing against homosexuality, to preach the gospel to all the world. Those are our marching orders. Telling you something is a sin, IS love! It's not judgement. Any more than pulling you out of the way of an on-coming truck is judgement! I, the OP and others on here are simply telling you how GOD feels about what you're doing AND justifying in your own reprobate minds, is wrong. It is sin. If I were a thief and flaunting it in your face and showing you all of the goods I have robbed. Would you consider it judging me to tell me that what I was doing was wrong? Or against the law? Or would you expect me to see it as a friendly warning and admonishment to stop stealing things?

I think part of the problem is that people don't know the difference between loving admonition and judging. The two are very different things. I think it's time we learn the difference and stop calling an apple an orange.
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stealing harms others; loving the person of one's choice harms no one, makes the world a brighter place. apples and oranges, ms. wolf.
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I'm afraid this is where we're in disagreement. This is not about loving someone in the sense that we ought to love everyone. The kind of love you speak of is against God's laws and his plan for human kind. It not only harms the one who does this, it harms the society who chooses to bury their heads in the sand and look the other way rather than calling this out for what it is. Grave sin in the eyes of God. I'm sorry if that sounds "intolerant" or "hateful" But the truth is rarely welcomed with open arms. Sadly it is usually shunned, ridiculed and received with hatred for the messenger. I'm not saying that you hate me, I'm simply speaking in general terms.
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Truth is often seen as hate, I agree, and this has destroyed all the false churches. Nobody wants the truth, they just want to think that Love will get them in, WRONG.

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Re: Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others
No one is saying GAY People are worse than any other person, that is not even the issue..

It is Homosexuality it is so contrary to why GOD created Mankind that the Abomination of Homosexuality is going to destroy the nation...

Does not mean that all GAY People are going to be destroyed but Homosexuality just like Abortion will be destroyed for good.

Susie

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21

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