Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others

Being gay is a sin as outlined by Enoch, and many other scriptures.

vitium sodomiticum. Being gay is an abomination.

YOU'RE AN ABOMINATION. YOU HAVE HATE IN YOUR HEART. YOU LET SATAN IN AND HE HAS TAKEN OVER YOUR MIND AND FILLED YOU WITH FEAR AND HATE FOR THAT WHICH YOU ARE TOO IGNORANT TO UNDERSTAND.

And you're a wonderful friend to me as well.

Let's just focus on spreading His love with the world, and let the Holy Spirit do the growing, correcting and changing as need be in each person along the way. You're doing an awesome job, keep on going and remember the love above all else.

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Enoch wasn't given Parables, Enoch was brought into Heaven and shown the wonders. My brother I don't condemn you, but God is not a hypocrite as His son showed us. I am only saying this because I LOVE you. Judgment day comes sooner then you think my friend

I'm afraid this is where we're in disagreement. This is not about loving someone in the sense that we ought to love everyone. The kind of love you speak of is against God's laws and his plan for human kind. It not only harms the one who does this, it harms the society who chooses to bury their heads in the sand and look the other way rather than calling this out for what it is. Grave sin in the eyes of God. I'm sorry if that sounds "intolerant" or "hateful" But the truth is rarely welcomed with open arms. Sadly it is usually shunned, ridiculed and received with hatred for the messenger. I'm not saying that you hate me, I'm simply speaking in general terms.

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you know the noahide laws ?
a non jew is not supposed to keep the sabbath, penalty is harsh, actually the torah prescribes many to deatch if it would be valid, there is no temple, so it is not valid in that way neither.

the point is, if the torah prescribes almost everyone to death, isnt it better to learn that the torah also gives life by teaching us that the absolute judgement is wrong,
and always deserves death.

as opposite we have christ and love, and it is love that says sin is relative, and how further away from love how more damage you evoke, and how further away fromt he great commandment of loving god, he is all, and one, all toegether, as much as you can.

With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.

Enoch wasn't given Parables, Enoch was brought into Heaven and shown the wonders. My brother I don't condemn you, but God is not a hypocrite as His son showed us. I am only saying this because I LOVE you. Judgment day comes sooner then you think my friend

Christianity is the Antichrist. Christ came to destroy religion. After he left, they created a church that went against Christ....hence the church is the antichrist. In Hebrew numerology Christianity and Antichrist are EQUIVALENTS. Jesus fits the m.o. of the Antichrist as well. He performed miracles, most of the world follows him, he received a fatal wound to the head(Christ was crucified at a place called Golgotha, which means 'place of the skull'.) "Come away from her(the church); lest ye be judged as her."

It's sinful nothing more nothing less, it's not about love, or the relationship, it's about the LAW

Excuse me, but how is pointing out what the Bible says concerning sin hateful?

I'm not sure some of them will ever admit it, Ladywolf. Sometimes pride will not allow us to admit when we're wrong, and when that happens, it's like talking to a brick wall. You can present them with an inordinate amount of evidence in both Testaments, logically and analytically explain your point, and they will still just say your a hater. What they fail to understand is the real hate is indifference and apathy. Admonition as you pointed out is the tough love that they all lack.

Homosexuality acceptance has brought society down and now the Church to it's knees in depravity....

I hear often from gay rights activists that Jesus Christ never spoke out about homosexuality or that He never mentioned sexual orientation. This is to set the record straight, so that those with an agenda can stop claiming things they know nothing about.

This first passage is Jesus Christ speaking out against homosexuality. Notice that He differentiates between adultery and sexual immorality - this is important to note because the term 'homosexuality' was not common during His time obviously, so He used the term sexual immorality - separate from adultery - to encompass homosexuality and any other sexual wickedness that is immoral:

Mark 7:21-22

"For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."

This next passage is Jesus' affirmation of the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. He even goes as far as referencing the story of Creation in which God created male and female. Notice how He specifies a man and wife, not a man and his partner or a woman and her partner:

Matthew 19:4-5

"Haven't you read," He replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?"

So, do not let anyone tell you that Jesus Christ never spoke out against homosexuality, and that He didn't support traditional marriage. Furthermore, it is not possible for you to be a gay Christian. That is the same thing as claiming to be a Christian thief - if you are unrepentant for your sin and you continue that sin in ignorance of Jesus' teachings, you are a walking contradiction.

With all of this being said, it is wrong to cast judgment on others if we ourselves are in need of judgment. However, it is also wrong to support and sponsor immorality while at the same time denigrating the traditional definition of marriage, as Jesus taught us. We all should love homosexuals as we love each other, and in that love, we should yearn to help them overcome their illness of the mind.

I too am enjoying a rational and civil discussion with you. It is discussions such as ours that make way for learning, changing and growing. And just to clarify that, I mean it for both of us. I certainly do not hold all the answers and my walk is not necessarily your walk. I do understand and respect that. You are absolutely right. I do not hate nor judge nor single out homosexual people. It is NOT my place. But when I walk into a room, or in this case a message board like this one and the topic is on the table, and opened up for discussion, I don't mind chiming in with my views and values on the topic.

That said. My point about a homosexual opting for a cure if it were to be found, is that I can't imagine anyone actually CHOOSING this life style / birth defect for themselves and all of the confusion, pain and controversy that must come with it. While I would agree there would be much water under the proverbial bridge for some, like you, I believe that many who feel trapped by it would jump at the chance to be normal. That might infuriate some reading this post, but it is just how I feel. Homosexuality is NOT spiritually normal. And it was not what God intended when he made man and woman.

Did you know that Adam named Eve "woman" because she was taken out of "man" when a baby is born, it comes from the womb. When Eve was created she was taken "out of" Adam, a man. Think..."womb-man" It's a very good picture of how God created us to be different as well as to completely balance each other in our unique differences.

Regardless of how you feel about homosexuality, God sees it as sin. But we have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. None of us can boast that we have not sinned. But that does not mean that we should "tolerate" sin in each other. Rather, as Christians we are admonished to call each other out in sin and to "come along side each other" and "help each other" to see the error of our ways so that we will be encouraged to not keep on sinning. That is all a TRUE Christian is doing when he or she tells you that homosexuality is a sin and goes against God's laws for man kind.

Moving on to what you said about marriage and procreation. Yes, it is true that marriage was created in order that children would be born into a Godly union. I'm speaking of Godly marriages where God is the head of that marriage and the marriage is a healthy one. That does not mean that those who choose not to marry are "off the hook" or so to speak with their own righteousness and following God's laws. The body IS the temple and is not to be defiled. You still must stand before God on judgement day and answer for ALL things you have done while IN the body! This is a very grave truth, but it IS the truth! I can't state that emphatically enough!

It comes down to this. Just because you do not believe in nor care about God's laws and His plan of salvation, does NOT mean you will not be standing before Him one day and explaining yourself and your actions to Him. He tells us in the Bible that He gives us the wonders of nature in all of it's fine tuned glory so that we are "without excuse" in knowing our creator.

Here's a question to ponder. Lets say you don't believe in God. Lets say that maybe you do but you're on the fence and still justifying your sins. Let me ask you a question. If you were with your partner in a sexual way, and Jesus chose that exact moment to make His appearance again. How would you feel? It's an important question to ask yourself, because how you answer that will speak volumes about what you truly feel about what you're doing. It is sort of "when the rubber meets the road" type of question. Now know this. He does see your sin, while it's happening, and He knows your thoughts. Are you ok with this? It's a rhetorical question, but it is one that should cause you to really stop and think about your choices in life.

I have nothing to feel guilty about and I am heterosexual. Believe me, you have a lot to learn, because you have never touched upon a spiritual level.

Sorry, but you are at the bottom of the spiritual ladder.

I think you are wrong, and i think you give the bible your own meaning, now if you read well, you will realize that what the bible condemns the most, as well as God and Christ, is VIOLENCE, not homosexuality

you cannot equate homosexuality to evil or mental impurity, they are separate, now whether a person is impure an engages in homosexuality would be a different case than a person who is pure and who engages in homosexuality, but the act itself must not be mixed with either good or evil

now, heterosexuality according to history can be far WORST than homosexuality if we are going to talk on those terms, in the past some angels came to our world, the sons of god, and they had sex with human females and guess what came out of that?, giants who controlled the earth in those days and enslaved us, so god had to flood the world and kill everyone to fix the mess they caused, so those angels would've done the right thing by being homosexual and avoiding heterosexual activity, to stop the earth from being flooded

now if you hate homosexuality that is your problem, in fact if you hate homosexuality you are far away from understanding Christ and tolerance, so i suggest you start by being tolerant and taken out the hate from your heart.

This is not true. Jesus Christ Himself said, "I do not come to bring peace but to bring a sword and division, even to the point of one's own family." (paraphrased from memory) He even goes on to list different types of family relations, i.e. brother against brother, mother against daughter etc. He did NOT preach tolerance. This is a lie. He DID preach love and forgiveness but NEVER at the expense of truth!

Thank you, Lisa - as usual, you are correct, and you have showed me the error of my ways. I am so defensive about people who distort the message that I don't see the power that the Holy Spirit has on us to make the determination for us. I keep trying to force or control something I have no business controlling, and I need to trust in Christ that He will guide those chosen to our Father's Kingdom. Thank you :-)