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Message Subject Jesus Christ Preached Against Homosexuality, But He Also Said Not To Judge Others
Poster Handle Lady Wolf
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I appreciate your respectful post and your kind words. I do not have a problem with homosexuals. What I DO have a problem with is that society has chosen to see this life style, birth defect, whatever you want to call it as something needing protection for calling it out for what it is. Abnormal. This is not personal. This is not about my being a bigot or being a "hater" or whatever the latest term is for anyone who disagrees with something. Let me ask you a question. Do you think your friend would accept a cure, if one were to be found and opt to have a normal life as a heterosexual? Do you think he enjoys being different? It's a serious question. I'd appreciate a serious response. From your previous response I feel that you'll be honest with me and willing to answer it.

From a Biblical view, men and women were created different for a reason. The marriage bed was created for a reason. The home was created with rules and guidelines to follow for a reason. Children were given a mother and father as role models for a reason. What makes man think that he can throw away the creator's blueprint for a well balanced life and basically go completely against God's plan? What arrogance! What complete and utter arrogance!
 Quoting: Lady Wolf


Just for the record, I don't think that most people who oppose homosexuality actually "hate" gays or are "bigoted," and I don't think that way about you. A small minority of people actually "hate" gays, and the people who support gay rights often tend to focus on this minority to make their case for why the other side should be rejected.

But to answer your question - if I had to guess, I would think this person ( I don't talk to him much, but I guess we could be considered "friends") probably wished he could have been straight for a very long period of his life, but now probably has accepted it. But, of course, it's hard to tell. He's not exactly Mr. Gay Pride parade or anything like that, so despite his occasional effeminate tendencies, I certainly wouldn't describe him as being flamboyantly gay. It's possible you could characterize that as an example of him still being inwardly ashamed of himself, even to this day. But then again, it's also possible he just doesn't define himself by his sexuality, and isn't very political about his sexual orientation.

It's an interesting question you pose all the same. However, I think for many gay people, a "cure" could never retroactively resolve the hardship they experienced earlier in life, and thus, would probably be thought of as ineffective and pointless. Now, for those young men smack dab in the middle of being bullied in school for being effeminate and weird... I'm sure many would jump at the chance to swallow a pill or inject a shot that makes them attracted to women.

As for the part about men and women in the Bible, sure - men and women alone are able to procreate, and not same sex couples... but not everyone needs to procreate, straight or gay. It may seem arrogant now to make such a seemingly drastic change to marriage, but there have been many changes to marriage over the last two millennia which have radically reshaped marriage. Hell, even two hundred years ago women were considered property of their husbands! I would say that providing women the same rights as men in marriage has more radically altered the concept of marriage than allowing, as some states currently do, same sex couples the ability to marry.

But although we might not have changed each other's minds, I'm glad we could at least exchange a dialogue about it instead of crass insults and accusations. I admit when I'm not talking to individual people I get carried away a little myself. Don't we all? Haha. But go easy on your gay brothers and sisters! They are people too, with all their good and bad qualities, just trying to get by like the rest of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34900904


I too am enjoying a rational and civil discussion with you. It is discussions such as ours that make way for learning, changing and growing. And just to clarify that, I mean it for both of us. I certainly do not hold all the answers and my walk is not necessarily your walk. I do understand and respect that. You are absolutely right. I do not hate nor judge nor single out homosexual people. It is NOT my place. But when I walk into a room, or in this case a message board like this one and the topic is on the table, and opened up for discussion, I don't mind chiming in with my views and values on the topic.

That said. My point about a homosexual opting for a cure if it were to be found, is that I can't imagine anyone actually CHOOSING this life style / birth defect for themselves and all of the confusion, pain and controversy that must come with it. While I would agree there would be much water under the proverbial bridge for some, like you, I believe that many who feel trapped by it would jump at the chance to be normal. That might infuriate some reading this post, but it is just how I feel. Homosexuality is NOT spiritually normal. And it was not what God intended when he made man and woman.

Did you know that Adam named Eve "woman" because she was taken out of "man" when a baby is born, it comes from the womb. When Eve was created she was taken "out of" Adam, a man. Think..."womb-man" It's a very good picture of how God created us to be different as well as to completely balance each other in our unique differences.

Regardless of how you feel about homosexuality, God sees it as sin. But we have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. None of us can boast that we have not sinned. But that does not mean that we should "tolerate" sin in each other. Rather, as Christians we are admonished to call each other out in sin and to "come along side each other" and "help each other" to see the error of our ways so that we will be encouraged to not keep on sinning. That is all a TRUE Christian is doing when he or she tells you that homosexuality is a sin and goes against God's laws for man kind.

Moving on to what you said about marriage and procreation. Yes, it is true that marriage was created in order that children would be born into a Godly union. I'm speaking of Godly marriages where God is the head of that marriage and the marriage is a healthy one. That does not mean that those who choose not to marry are "off the hook" or so to speak with their own righteousness and following God's laws. The body IS the temple and is not to be defiled. You still must stand before God on judgement day and answer for ALL things you have done while IN the body! This is a very grave truth, but it IS the truth! I can't state that emphatically enough!

It comes down to this. Just because you do not believe in nor care about God's laws and His plan of salvation, does NOT mean you will not be standing before Him one day and explaining yourself and your actions to Him. He tells us in the Bible that He gives us the wonders of nature in all of it's fine tuned glory so that we are "without excuse" in knowing our creator.

Here's a question to ponder. Lets say you don't believe in God. Lets say that maybe you do but you're on the fence and still justifying your sins. Let me ask you a question. If you were with your partner in a sexual way, and Jesus chose that exact moment to make His appearance again. How would you feel? It's an important question to ask yourself, because how you answer that will speak volumes about what you truly feel about what you're doing. It is sort of "when the rubber meets the road" type of question. Now know this. He does see your sin, while it's happening, and He knows your thoughts. Are you ok with this? It's a rhetorical question, but it is one that should cause you to really stop and think about your choices in life.
 Quoting: Lady Wolf


Look, you preaching to some of us is the equivalent of a Muslim trying to convince you of their faith. I know your faith is bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29801624


Noted and thanks for reading. Now be kind enough and articulate enough to explain why you believe it to be...in your words, "bullshit."
 
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