Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,258 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 503,047
Pageviews Today: 634,049Threads Today: 93Posts Today: 2,184
04:43 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35423489
Germany
03/02/2013 04:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
How do you know what the official school records say about the class sizes?

[link to www.newtown.k12.ct.us]

Go to 2nd page: five classes--- four of nineteen one of eighteen... as of 12-04-2012


The students as pictured are from the year before...

15 kids in Soto picture, but she says my 16 angels? And how can so many kids escape her class if there are only 15?

7 in closet---five killed as pictured---six at Rosen's -- three to six (depending on articles sited) escaping down the street picked up by Mom in van, taken to police station... too many kids?
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


WOW!

check this out:


I think that channel might be onto something saying that one kid/parent didnt want to participate so they had to photoshop them out.(while the picture looks totally fake)

Maybe it was this kid?
[link to hollywoodlife.com]
The Sonic Dreamer

User ID: 19453308
United States
03/02/2013 04:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
shill973
Currently working on:
Bach: Invention No. 1
Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag
Mendelssohn: Tarantella Op.102 no.3
Mendelssohn: Venetian Boat Song Op. 19 no. 6 (both from 'Songs Without Words')
Ghost Avatar
User ID: 241180
United States
03/02/2013 04:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Newtown Sandy Hook School Massacre: Updated Timeline, Chronological Assemblage of Coverage
By James F. Tracy
----------
"9:40AM Chris Manfredonia, alleged father of a 6-year-old Sandy Hook Elementary student, claims he is on his way to the school “to help make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur.” Manfredonia runs around the facility in attempt “to reach his daughter and was briefly handcuffed by police. He later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher. ‘The whole reason we moved here a year ago is because when you drive down the subdivision, it’s a happy place,’ said his wife, Georgeann Manfredonia. “‘There’s a ton of children here and the families are very kind and supportive.’” Richard A. Serrano, Allen Semuals, Tina Susman, “Gunman Kills 20, 6 Adults at Connecticut Elementary School,” Los Angeles Times, December 14, 2012."

[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

------------

The Pam Midlik, interview directly places Manfredonia, in the hallway, which is left out completely from nearly every source... why?


The time-line provided at the link really helps to keep specific details in order:

---"9:38:15AM Newtown and Connecticut emergency fire and law enforcement radio dispatch indicates “the shooting appears to have stopped. It is silent at this time. The school is in lockdown.” RadioMan911TV, “Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting Newtown Police/Fire and CT State Police,” Youtube, December 14, 2012."----


So by 9:38 all deadly action has ceased... Manfredonia was on his way to the cafeteria---where 18 victims were found(no update at all)---- he does not go back to Monahan's class where his daughter is... instead he meets up with another man--- shadows by the gyms windows and is apprehended saying, "I didn't do it." accoring to a witness.

There are many suggestive conclusions one might want to draw about his actions---- protecting his daughter was not important---running out the door with another un-identified man was his choice of action?
Ghost Avatar
User ID: 241180
United States
03/02/2013 05:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
WOW! check this out:


At the link...

That is an uncanny story:

"Karen Dryer‘s worst nightmare started to unravel when her young son Logan Dryer, 5, became so anxiety ridden when he went to kindergarten at Sandy Hook Elementary School that she decided to pull him out of school just two weeks before the deadly massacre."

Sitting on the wall he looks to be the same age as the other kids in class photo's as one would expect in a kindergarten class(A stub of the original?). I also noted the sloppy, shadow re-creation slightly in the middle, but I though Soto had taken the place of another row of kids... either way none of the surviving kids are named, so do we really know THOSE are the same kids from this school year? And if not... once again a pattern of deception right in plain site.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5331384
Canada
03/02/2013 05:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Newtown Sandy Hook School Massacre: Updated Timeline, Chronological Assemblage of Coverage
By James F. Tracy
----------
"9:40AM Chris Manfredonia, alleged father of a 6-year-old Sandy Hook Elementary student, claims he is on his way to the school “to help make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur.” Manfredonia runs around the facility in attempt “to reach his daughter and was briefly handcuffed by police. He later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher. ‘The whole reason we moved here a year ago is because when you drive down the subdivision, it’s a happy place,’ said his wife, Georgeann Manfredonia. “‘There’s a ton of children here and the families are very kind and supportive.’” Richard A. Serrano, Allen Semuals, Tina Susman, “Gunman Kills 20, 6 Adults at Connecticut Elementary School,” Los Angeles Times, December 14, 2012."

[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

------------

The Pam Midlik, interview directly places Manfredonia, in the hallway, which is left out completely from nearly every source... why?


The time-line provided at the link really helps to keep specific details in order:

---"9:38:15AM Newtown and Connecticut emergency fire and law enforcement radio dispatch indicates “the shooting appears to have stopped. It is silent at this time. The school is in lockdown.” RadioMan911TV, “Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting Newtown Police/Fire and CT State Police,” Youtube, December 14, 2012."----


So by 9:38 all deadly action has ceased... Manfredonia was on his way to the cafeteria---where 18 victims were found(no update at all)---- he does not go back to Monahan's class where his daughter is... instead he meets up with another man--- shadows by the gyms windows and is apprehended saying, "I didn't do it." accoring to a witness.

There are many suggestive conclusions one might want to draw about his actions---- protecting his daughter was not important---running out the door with another un-identified man was his choice of action?
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Good points.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5331384
Canada
03/02/2013 05:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
:shill973:
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Yikes. hiding
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5331384
Canada
03/02/2013 05:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
...


Where were the other 3 that day??
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


You mean the other 2, Monahan and Kazlauskas?

Here's something about Kazlauskas:
The children huddled on the floor together and first grade teacher Vicky Kazlauskas did her best to distract them from the sound of gunshots by reading to them.
[link to www.wbur.org]

I haven't found much about Monahan yet. Her bio on the school website says that she's been a teacher for 23 years, twelve of those at Sandy Hook, and she has four grown sons. So I doubt that she was the teacher on maternity leave. [link to myschooldesk.net]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


On her teacher website, D'Amato writes: "Mikaela was born in April and is an absolute joy. I am so happy to be teaching in Newtown and can't wait to have another terrific year at Sandy Hook!" So when did she start her maternity leave? And if she was on maternity leave, why did she write she was looking forward to another school year as if she was going to be the one teaching them in September? I don't get it.

[link to myschooldesk.net]
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


That's an interesting discovery. I'm not sure what to make of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Does anyone know how long maternity leave is? From the little I searched, most were showing a very short time. I was actually shocked because here it is almost a full year. What I saw for Connecticut seemed to be around only 6 weeks, but they had the option of taking up to 12 weeks unpaid. It doesn't explain her comment about starting a new school year though. Why would someone on maternity leave put that? Her daughter was born in April, she would have already used approximately 5 months of maternity leave by September.

Didn't Lauren Rousseau just start substituting in that class the day of the shootings? Everything I've read made it sound like she started teaching for someone who had just gone on maternity leave, and Lauren was to be filling in long-term.
Fred-S

User ID: 33015295
Switzerland
03/02/2013 05:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
...


Where were the other 3 that day??
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


You mean the other 2, Monahan and Kazlauskas?

Here's something about Kazlauskas:
The children huddled on the floor together and first grade teacher Vicky Kazlauskas did her best to distract them from the sound of gunshots by reading to them.
[link to www.wbur.org]

I haven't found much about Monahan yet. Her bio on the school website says that she's been a teacher for 23 years, twelve of those at Sandy Hook, and she has four grown sons. So I doubt that she was the teacher on maternity leave. [link to myschooldesk.net]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


On her teacher website, D'Amato writes: "Mikaela was born in April and is an absolute joy. I am so happy to be teaching in Newtown and can't wait to have another terrific year at Sandy Hook!" So when did she start her maternity leave? And if she was on maternity leave, why did she write she was looking forward to another school year as if she was going to be the one teaching them in September? I don't get it.

[link to myschooldesk.net]
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


That's an interesting discovery. I'm not sure what to make of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


it is possible to open a new thread?
there are 2 interesting talks: the d'Amato class and the EMT protocol.
and they are not linked

it's already difiicult to follow with shill fight
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 05:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
either way none of the surviving kids are named, so do we really know THOSE are the same kids from this school year? And if not... once again a pattern of deception right in plain site.
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Aidan Licata and Bryce Maskel are two boys from Soto's class who survived.

Aidan's photo is shown at 1:07 in the video on this page [link to www.cnn.com]
Aidan is standing next to Anne Marie Murphy in the class photo. [link to www.nypost.com]

And here's a photo of Bryce on this page. [link to www.people.com]
Bryce is sitting next to Avielle Richman in the class photo.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 06:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Does anyone know how long maternity leave is? From the little I searched, most were showing a very short time. I was actually shocked because here it is almost a full year. What I saw for Connecticut seemed to be around only 6 weeks, but they had the option of taking up to 12 weeks unpaid. It doesn't explain her comment about starting a new school year though. Why would someone on maternity leave put that? Her daughter was born in April, she would have already used approximately 5 months of maternity leave by September.

Didn't Lauren Rousseau just start substituting in that class the day of the shootings? Everything I've read made it sound like she started teaching for someone who had just gone on maternity leave, and Lauren was to be filling in long-term.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


Off of the top my head, I believe that Rousseau had been there at least a few weeks, but I can't remember if it was ever specified exactly how long she had been there. It was Rachel D'Avino, the Special Ed teacher, who had only been there a few days.

There is the possibility that D'Amato had taken a leave of absence because either she or the baby were having serious health problems, but the school chose to simply tell reporters that she was on maternity leave.
Fred-S

User ID: 33015295
Switzerland
03/02/2013 06:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
either way none of the surviving kids are named, so do we really know THOSE are the same kids from this school year? And if not... once again a pattern of deception right in plain site.
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Aidan Licata and Bryce Maskel are two boys from Soto's class who survived.

Aidan's photo is shown at 1:07 in the video on this page [link to www.cnn.com]
Aidan is standing next to Anne Marie Murphy in the class photo. [link to www.nypost.com]

And here's a photo of Bryce on this page. [link to www.people.com]
Bryce is sitting next to Avielle Richman in the class photo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


you could add Susan Ehrens daughter.

[link to www.motherjones.com]

(nobody to open new thread for this?)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 06:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
either way none of the surviving kids are named, so do we really know THOSE are the same kids from this school year? And if not... once again a pattern of deception right in plain site.
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Aidan Licata and Bryce Maskel are two boys from Soto's class who survived.

Aidan's photo is shown at 1:07 in the video on this page [link to www.cnn.com]
Aidan is standing next to Anne Marie Murphy in the class photo. [link to www.nypost.com]

And here's a photo of Bryce on this page. [link to www.people.com]
Bryce is sitting next to Avielle Richman in the class photo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


you could add Susan Ehrens daughter.

[link to www.motherjones.com]

(nobody to open new thread for this?)
 Quoting: Fred-S


There are already quite a few active SH right now....

Do you know if there's a photo of Susan's daughter available anywhere so that we can figure out if she is pictured in the class photo?
Ghost Avatar
User ID: 241180
United States
03/02/2013 06:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
A refresh of the partial Vollmer interview:

“They said 'what is that,' and I said, ‘maybe there’s someone up on the roof getting a soccer ball,” kindergarten teacher Janet Vollmer recalled.

“The gunshots finally stopped, we still were all in a panic, that’s when the state police arrived… they said 'you need to come out of the building, so have the children follow you, have them hold hands, have them cover their eyes,'” Vollmer explained."

[link to todaynews.today.com]

Now take a look at the kids being led out in this picture:
[In this photo provided by the Newtown Bee, people look on as students are led out of Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., where authorities say a gunman opened fire, killing 26 people, including 20 children on Dec. 14, 2012.]

[link to abcnews.go.com]


The importance of the Vollmer interview is that A: she is a kindergarten teacher B: Her class was perhaps one of the first by her own words led out of school 3: One can safely assume the only other class of kindergarteners was led out as well, right behind hers... There is no reason for the media to report any kindergarten students were harmed and no reason to suggest Nancy Lanza was their teacher. One story was the entire kindergarten class was missing. The original incident as scripted was a bold-faced lie and it fell apart soon thereafter, but the persistence of the lie spawned the HOAX factor which has taken on a life of its own.

My advise, instead of trying to prove a hoax, try instead to prove what was reported first hand was true or false. As the falsehoods mount up the next step is to understand why these "lies" are being placed in the media versus the complete lack of facts from the nearly non-existent, official investigation.

I could say the "Dad" let Adam and the other guy into the school, and then went to his daughters class... two shooters--- one went to the office the other went into classrooms... after the shooting Adam became the double-crossed patsy [- take the life of Adam-] who expected to be taken into custody--- a un-identified swat guy is caught in woods--- Dad caught fleeing school... this does not explain why the [shooters] murdered those teachers or their students... but the Con. state police sure are in no hurry to do a damn thing, in resolving so many blanks in the official narrative.

Adam has yet to be proven guilty in a court of law....

Why did hard drives need to be destroyed?
Why did Nancy Lanza have to die?
Why did the shooter(s) really target D'Amato and Soto's class?
Why was the media actually reporting a different scenario?
Why was Adam only described as weighing 110 pounds, leaving out all other usual identification stats, such as he had blue eyes and stood 5'10" from HIS drivers ID?
Why have no security camera images been released?
Why did arriving officers not know why the window was busted out-ward not inward?
Why did a school nurse hide with another employee in a medical supply closet long after the shooting ceased?


All of these questions(plus so many more) have to be answered for the truth to be factual, but funny enough a HOAX has to explain every one of them as well.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5331384
Canada
03/02/2013 06:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Does anyone know how long maternity leave is? From the little I searched, most were showing a very short time. I was actually shocked because here it is almost a full year. What I saw for Connecticut seemed to be around only 6 weeks, but they had the option of taking up to 12 weeks unpaid. It doesn't explain her comment about starting a new school year though. Why would someone on maternity leave put that? Her daughter was born in April, she would have already used approximately 5 months of maternity leave by September.

Didn't Lauren Rousseau just start substituting in that class the day of the shootings? Everything I've read made it sound like she started teaching for someone who had just gone on maternity leave, and Lauren was to be filling in long-term.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


Off of the top my head, I believe that Rousseau had been there at least a few weeks, but I can't remember if it was ever specified exactly how long she had been there. It was Rachel D'Avino, the Special Ed teacher, who had only been there a few days.

There is the possibility that D'Amato had taken a leave of absence because either she or the baby were having serious health problems, but the school chose to simply tell reporters that she was on maternity leave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


It's possible. You're right, she had been there eight weeks.

"Eight weeks before her death, Lauren was hired as a long-term substitute teacher at Sandy Hook."

I find this weird and unsafe. Why would they not give a permanent long-term substitute a key?

"As a substitute, she didn't have keys to the doors, which her father said locked from the inside only with a key."

Also, not sure what to make of this. It kind of sounds like she was used in various classes around the school, not just the Damato one. To me, it almost sounds like she had just been substituting in there that day.

"If she hadn't been replacing the permanent teacher that day, she wouldn't have been there," François Rousseau added. "She could have been in another class."

[link to www.cbc.ca]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5331384
Canada
03/02/2013 06:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
either way none of the surviving kids are named, so do we really know THOSE are the same kids from this school year? And if not... once again a pattern of deception right in plain site.
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Aidan Licata and Bryce Maskel are two boys from Soto's class who survived.

Aidan's photo is shown at 1:07 in the video on this page [link to www.cnn.com]
Aidan is standing next to Anne Marie Murphy in the class photo. [link to www.nypost.com]

And here's a photo of Bryce on this page. [link to www.people.com]
Bryce is sitting next to Avielle Richman in the class photo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


you could add Susan Ehrens daughter.

[link to www.motherjones.com]

(nobody to open new thread for this?)
 Quoting: Fred-S


I think for the most part, people on this site aren't interested in SH so I'm not sure a new thread would accomplish much.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 06:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Does anyone know how long maternity leave is? From the little I searched, most were showing a very short time. I was actually shocked because here it is almost a full year. What I saw for Connecticut seemed to be around only 6 weeks, but they had the option of taking up to 12 weeks unpaid. It doesn't explain her comment about starting a new school year though. Why would someone on maternity leave put that? Her daughter was born in April, she would have already used approximately 5 months of maternity leave by September.

Didn't Lauren Rousseau just start substituting in that class the day of the shootings? Everything I've read made it sound like she started teaching for someone who had just gone on maternity leave, and Lauren was to be filling in long-term.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


Off of the top my head, I believe that Rousseau had been there at least a few weeks, but I can't remember if it was ever specified exactly how long she had been there. It was Rachel D'Avino, the Special Ed teacher, who had only been there a few days.

There is the possibility that D'Amato had taken a leave of absence because either she or the baby were having serious health problems, but the school chose to simply tell reporters that she was on maternity leave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


It's possible. You're right, she had been there eight weeks.

"Eight weeks before her death, Lauren was hired as a long-term substitute teacher at Sandy Hook."

I find this weird and unsafe. Why would they not give a permanent long-term substitute a key?

"As a substitute, she didn't have keys to the doors, which her father said locked from the inside only with a key."

Also, not sure what to make of this. It kind of sounds like she was used in various classes around the school, not just the Damato one. To me, it almost sounds like she had just been substituting in there that day.

"If she hadn't been replacing the permanent teacher that day, she wouldn't have been there," François Rousseau added. "She could have been in another class."

[link to www.cbc.ca]
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


Well, it was pretty widely reported that she was substituting for a teacher on maternity leave. [link to www.google.com]

But who really knows?
Fred-S

User ID: 33015295
Switzerland
03/02/2013 06:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
...

I think for the most part, people on this site aren't interested in SH so I'm not sure a new thread would accomplish much.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


ok, if we mix all subject.. no problemo.

so, for those who are counting the first-grade teachers and the first-grade classes, dont forget that 1 first-grade class was at library with MaryAnne Jacobs
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5331384
Canada
03/02/2013 06:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Does anyone know how long maternity leave is? From the little I searched, most were showing a very short time. I was actually shocked because here it is almost a full year. What I saw for Connecticut seemed to be around only 6 weeks, but they had the option of taking up to 12 weeks unpaid. It doesn't explain her comment about starting a new school year though. Why would someone on maternity leave put that? Her daughter was born in April, she would have already used approximately 5 months of maternity leave by September.

Didn't Lauren Rousseau just start substituting in that class the day of the shootings? Everything I've read made it sound like she started teaching for someone who had just gone on maternity leave, and Lauren was to be filling in long-term.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


Off of the top my head, I believe that Rousseau had been there at least a few weeks, but I can't remember if it was ever specified exactly how long she had been there. It was Rachel D'Avino, the Special Ed teacher, who had only been there a few days.

There is the possibility that D'Amato had taken a leave of absence because either she or the baby were having serious health problems, but the school chose to simply tell reporters that she was on maternity leave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


It's possible. You're right, she had been there eight weeks.

"Eight weeks before her death, Lauren was hired as a long-term substitute teacher at Sandy Hook."

I find this weird and unsafe. Why would they not give a permanent long-term substitute a key?

"As a substitute, she didn't have keys to the doors, which her father said locked from the inside only with a key."

Also, not sure what to make of this. It kind of sounds like she was used in various classes around the school, not just the Damato one. To me, it almost sounds like she had just been substituting in there that day.

"If she hadn't been replacing the permanent teacher that day, she wouldn't have been there," François Rousseau added. "She could have been in another class."

[link to www.cbc.ca]
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


Well, it was pretty widely reported that she was substituting for a teacher on maternity leave. [link to www.google.com]

But who really knows?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Yes, it was, but look at all of the other things in this case that were "widely reported" early on.
Fred-S

User ID: 33015295
Switzerland
03/02/2013 06:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
...

Yes, it was, but look at all of the other things in this case that were "widely reported" early on.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


of course...
so investigation!

here is D'Amato pinterest (with link to facebook)

[link to pinterest.com]

she look to be newly married.
Fred-S

User ID: 33015295
Switzerland
03/02/2013 06:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
The only question I have is when were the triage tarps put in the parking lot? If early on, I could understand it because they would not have known immediately that nobody was going to come out. If they were put out later, then I'd like to know why.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


after this picture
[link to img703.imageshack.us]

look on helicopter footage
[link to www.youtube.com]
(at 3:20 for example)

so it was very late.
Ghost Avatar
User ID: 241180
United States
03/02/2013 07:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
"Aidan Licata and Bryce Maskel are two boys from Soto's class who survived.

Aidan's photo is shown at 1:07 in the video on this page [link to www.cnn.com] Aidan is standing next to Anne Marie Murphy in the class photo. [link to www.nypost.com]

And here's a photo of Bryce on this page. [link to www.people.com] Bryce is sitting next to Avielle Richman in the class photo."


Those kids do appear to be the same, but only Jesse Lewis really appears to be older in the photo briefly shown at the conference. Avielle looks much bigger in her most recent picture, as does Allison.

I have not found any ref. to Rousseau subbing D'Amatos class prior to that very day. It was only after finding the Pam interview that I was able to determine by the process of elimination which class Rousseau was in that morning, due to the two reports listing victims in D'Amatos classroom, which was also mentioned (in article) as separate from the rest.

There are only five 1st grade teachers--- only Carolyn Monahan lists on her FAQ page how many kids are in her class 16(8 boys 8 girls) So none of the media reports of class size helped determine who Rousseau was subbing for except that 14 kids in her class died--- she has no listing period---
Kazlouskas, no kids harmed.
Monahan no kids harmed.
Roig no kids harmed.
Soto five died, six on Gene's lawn, three escape to police station, seven found in closet... twenty-one kids... which is two more than the official listing and six more than in the picture.
D'Amato's class is the only one left. Fourteen died in her class, one walked away, two ended up in hospital. And emily?
Her class, by this count, matches the 18 class as listed.

There is no sixth class. Rousseau was in D'Amatos class.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 07:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
...

I think for the most part, people on this site aren't interested in SH so I'm not sure a new thread would accomplish much.
 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


ok, if we mix all subject.. no problemo.

so, for those who are counting the first-grade teachers and the first-grade classes, dont forget that 1 first-grade class was at library with MaryAnne Jacobs
 Quoting: Fred-S


I believe it was a fourth grade class in the library.

When library clerk Mary Ann Jacob heard gunshots she ran to the classroom across the hall and told the teacher to lock the room. Then she secured her group of 18 fourth graders.
[link to www.wbur.org]
Stickywicket

User ID: 33865391
03/02/2013 07:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Question:

Wouldnt a girl who was "covered in blood" who was then brought out to the triage area actually leave blood stains on the plastic sheets left on the ground? Bloody shoe prints? Bloody smudges? Bloody handprints?

Yet, when we see the aerial view of the triage area, there is no blood or any trace of even one drop of blood anywhere to be seen....

Also, he carried her more than 1 and 1/2 football field lengths to the triage area, which was setup in the back of the firehouse?


Wouldn't the officer have gotten blood all over his uniform?



None of the media took any photos of this brave officer gallantly carrying this blood-soaked child away to safety?

No shot of his uniform with dried blood on it afterward?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Its hard to judge the timing of all of this but I would assume that the cop would have taken the little girl out of the school before 10 am and I doubt any tarps were set up by that point. In fact, I THINK I've seen some early footage before those were set up. So, how they cared for that little girl, I don't know. As for what that pastor said, his statement is highly doubtful. That cop along with the one who carried the one that died in hospital would have had lots of blood on them but, according to the NY Times article, some other trooper told him to get out of the area due to how he looked.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25926870
United States
03/02/2013 07:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
I've recently begun digging into the Sandy Hook case, trying to find irrefutable proof that it was fake.

I haven't found any thing yet, but some thing I found interesting is if you do a google search for school websites on google, you can find archival pages for every CT school district EXCEPT newtown. newtown's robots.txt file expressly prohibits being searched by search engines. strange but not a smoking gun.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12187143
United States
03/02/2013 07:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Pretty great video...

[link to www.youtube.com]
Stickywicket

User ID: 33865391
03/02/2013 07:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
"Aidan Licata and Bryce Maskel are two boys from Soto's class who survived.

Aidan's photo is shown at 1:07 in the video on this page [link to www.cnn.com] Aidan is standing next to Anne Marie Murphy in the class photo. [link to www.nypost.com]

And here's a photo of Bryce on this page. [link to www.people.com] Bryce is sitting next to Avielle Richman in the class photo."


Those kids do appear to be the same, but only Jesse Lewis really appears to be older in the photo briefly shown at the conference. Avielle looks much bigger in her most recent picture, as does Allison.

I have not found any ref. to Rousseau subbing D'Amatos class prior to that very day. It was only after finding the Pam interview that I was able to determine by the process of elimination which class Rousseau was in that morning, due to the two reports listing victims in D'Amatos classroom, which was also mentioned (in article) as separate from the rest.

There are only five 1st grade teachers--- only Carolyn Monahan lists on her FAQ page how many kids are in her class 16(8 boys 8 girls) So none of the media reports of class size helped determine who Rousseau was subbing for except that 14 kids in her class died--- she has no listing period---
Kazlouskas, no kids harmed.
Monahan no kids harmed.
Roig no kids harmed.
Soto five died, six on Gene's lawn, three escape to police station, seven found in closet... twenty-one kids... which is two more than the official listing and six more than in the picture.
D'Amato's class is the only one left. Fourteen died in her class, one walked away, two ended up in hospital. And emily?
Her class, by this count, matches the 18 class as listed.

There is no sixth class. Rousseau was in D'Amatos class.
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Is there an "official" listing of Soto having 19 in her class? I've heard all kinds of different numbers depending on the source. And if that's true, is it believable that there would be 4 kids missing from her class photo?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 07:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Those kids do appear to be the same, but only Jesse Lewis really appears to be older in the photo briefly shown at the conference. Avielle looks much bigger in her most recent picture, as does Allison.

 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Sorry, I'm not sure which photos you're talking about.


D'Amato's class is the only one left. Fourteen died in her class, one walked away, two ended up in hospital. And emily?
Her class, by this count, matches the 18 class as listed.

 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


I'm a bit confused by this, sorry. How many are you saying died altogether in this class?
Fred-S

User ID: 33015295
Switzerland
03/02/2013 07:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
I believe it was a fourth grade class in the library.

When library clerk Mary Ann Jacob heard gunshots she ran to the classroom across the hall and told the teacher to lock the room. Then she secured her group of 18 fourth graders.
[link to www.wbur.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


yes.. some say first.. some say fourth...

"Mary Ann Jacob, a library clerk, had 18 fourth-graders with her in a classroom "

"Assistant librarian MaryAnne Jacobs helped to hide 18 first-graders in a computer room,"

"But then Jacob realized one of the doors in the room wasn't locked. So she hustled the 6-year-olds under her watch into a back storage room and locked them in there."

"When library clerk Mary Ann Jacob heard gunshots she ran to the classroom across the hall and told the teacher to lock the room. Then she secured her group of 18 fourth graders"


shit! again a point we cant be fixed!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 07:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
The school enrollment records say there were 5 first grade classes at SH. Four of those classes had 19 students each. The fifth had 18 students. [link to www.newtown.k12.ct.us]

However....

1. New reports say that Kaitlin Roig had 15 students in her classroom at the time of the shooting.

2. Victoria's Soto's class photo shows 15 students.

3. Amanda D'Amato's/Lauren Rousseau's class photo shows 15 students. Emilie Parker was also in the class for a total of 16 students.

4. Carolyn Monahan says on her class website that there are 16 students in her class.

All of these classes seem to be smaller than what's reported in the school enrollment records.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25326483
United States
03/02/2013 07:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
I believe it was a fourth grade class in the library.

When library clerk Mary Ann Jacob heard gunshots she ran to the classroom across the hall and told the teacher to lock the room. Then she secured her group of 18 fourth graders.
[link to www.wbur.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


yes.. some say first.. some say fourth...

"Mary Ann Jacob, a library clerk, had 18 fourth-graders with her in a classroom "

"Assistant librarian MaryAnne Jacobs helped to hide 18 first-graders in a computer room,"

"But then Jacob realized one of the doors in the room wasn't locked. So she hustled the 6-year-olds under her watch into a back storage room and locked them in there."

"When library clerk Mary Ann Jacob heard gunshots she ran to the classroom across the hall and told the teacher to lock the room. Then she secured her group of 18 fourth graders"


shit! again a point we cant be fixed!
 Quoting: Fred-S


I apologize, Fred, I hadn't noticed that particular discrepancy before. Sigh...

News