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The school enrollment records say there were 5 first grade classes at SH. Four of those classes had 19 students each. The fifth had 18 students. [link to www.newtown.k12.ct.us]

However....

1. New reports say that Kaitlin Roig had 15 students in her classroom at the time of the shooting.

2. Victoria's Soto's class photo shows 15 students.

3. Amanda D'Amato's/Lauren Rousseau's class photo shows 15 students. Emilie Parker was also in the class for a total of 16 students.

4. Carolyn Monahan says on her class website that there are 16 students in her class.

All of these classes seem to be smaller than what's reported in the school enrollment records.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


Good info. And it shows the official total of students at Sandy Hook to be 452.

Rousseau's class had 15 deaths. Fourteen that are showed in the class photo. The girl in the very middle escaped. Fourteen plus Emilie Parker, who was away for the photo makes a total of 15.
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Fifteen deaths? What 15 hoaxed deaths are we supposed to believe?
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The school enrollment records say there were 5 first grade classes at SH. Four of those classes had 19 students each. The fifth had 18 students. [link to www.newtown.k12.ct.us]

However....

1. New reports say that Kaitlin Roig had 15 students in her classroom at the time of the shooting.

2. Victoria's Soto's class photo shows 15 students.

3. Amanda D'Amato's/Lauren Rousseau's class photo shows 15 students. Emilie Parker was also in the class for a total of 16 students.

4. Carolyn Monahan says on her class website that there are 16 students in her class.

All of these classes seem to be smaller than what's reported in the school enrollment records.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


on winter, it's normal, that 19 class turn in 16 present on one day. (kids are often ill)

but for school picture, it's not normal. (two picture days)

and there is no big change in school enrollment records


and what about the "my 16 angels" blah blah... if they were 19?
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Those kids do appear to be the same, but only Jesse Lewis really appears to be older in the photo briefly shown at the conference. Avielle looks much bigger in her most recent picture, as does Allison.

 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


Sorry, I'm not sure which photos you're talking about.

Scroll through the pictures here:

[link to www.courant.com]

helps with comparisons...



D'Amato's class is the only one left. Fourteen died in her class, one walked away, two ended up in hospital. And emily?
Her class, by this count, matches the 18 class as listed.

 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


I'm a bit confused by this, sorry. How many are you saying died altogether in this class?
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There are twenty children--- if five are in Soto's class the rest had to come from D'Amatos class... Emily is the one who was said not to be in the class photo.... two went to the hospital, so one of them was Emily? Leaving the other patient as Madeleine Hsu. One girl walked away. That brings the total down one to 17... as accounted for by media reports. Still does not match school records.

"Is there an "official" listing of Soto having 19 in her class? I've heard all kinds of different numbers depending on the source. And if that's true, is it believable that there would be 4 kids missing from her class photo?"


Unfortunately, the school listings do not match teacher to class. I have a strong suspicion all of the teacher web pages had the same FAQ page which in Monahan's case listed class size. All the rest nothing to go on. So it is a case of adding up what was reported, which is in direct conflict with nearly all reports stemming from the "My 16" attributed statement and the class photo.

If Gene was totally fabricating his account that would be 7+3 survived and five casualties. So that would at least match the class picture, then what about the Gene account?

I think Gene is a fraud for one reason: He did not call 911... he heard hunters gunshots... I looked up the hunting zones and found there are no hunting areas anywhere near that school period. His unnecessary inclusion in the Soto class story really puts a stink on the narrative.
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If Gene was totally fabricating his account that would be 7+3 survived and five casualties. So that would at least match the class picture, then what about the Gene account?

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From what I've been able to ascertain, there were five students driven to the police station.

I posted more info about this here. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

So..

5 casualties
5 driven to police station

And I have no idea about the remaining students.
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If Gene was totally fabricating his account that would be 7+3 survived and five casualties. So that would at least match the class picture, then what about the Gene account?

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From what I've been able to ascertain, there were five students driven to the police station.

I posted more info about this here. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

So..

5 casualties
5 driven to police station

And I have no idea about the remaining students.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


five look to be nice...

Colleen Poundstone, a resident of Riverside Road, which leads up to the school, said she saw five kids - two boys and three girls - run through her back yard around 9:30 Friday morning. She said they had come through the local park, Sandy Hook Athletic Club field, which is near the school.

[link to norwalk.dailyvoice.com]
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I like this group discussion we have going. I hereby name our little group the Sandy Hook Investigation Team!
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The school enrollment records say there were 5 first grade classes at SH. Four of those classes had 19 students each. The fifth had 18 students. [link to www.newtown.k12.ct.us]

However....

1. New reports say that Kaitlin Roig had 15 students in her classroom at the time of the shooting.

2. Victoria's Soto's class photo shows 15 students.

3. Amanda D'Amato's/Lauren Rousseau's class photo shows 15 students. Emilie Parker was also in the class for a total of 16 students.

4. Carolyn Monahan says on her class website that there are 16 students in her class.

All of these classes seem to be smaller than what's reported in the school enrollment records.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


the only other school picture class i've found is creepy too. to compare with Soto and ROusseau class picture.
[link to i50.tinypic.com]

they are 20...



it comes from
[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]
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"Assistant librarian Mary Anne Jacobs helped to hide 18 first-graders in a computer room,"

"But then Jacob realized one of the doors in the room wasn't locked. So she hustled the 6-year-olds under her watch into a back storage room and locked them in there."



These conflicting reports are the primary reason, so many believe the entire incident is a hoax. There are 94 1st graders according to the official listing. I can't tell if they are padding the numbers or hiding something?

The 18 victims in the kitchen closet?--- 18 saved in the computer room? 18 died at the school... two at hospital... 9 kids or three kids getting away... plus one miracle girl.


If Adam was wearing ear-plugs why would he ask a question when he cannot hear an answer? Is this the real reason he did know(hear) the "nine kids in total" that were running past him? (Why was Soto unable to lock her door right away?) Other accounts he says not a word... the other shooter was shouting?


Then these accounts:

"According to the New York Daily News, music teacher Maryrose Kristopik barricaded 15 children in a closet to protect them from the gunman after they heard shots being fired. The "students prayed together until a police officer knocked and told them to exit single file."

"While inside the closet, the students "could hear the bloodthirsty Lanza screaming, 'Let me in!'"

"An unnamed mother, in her 40s, whose nine-year-old son was among the children said: 'I want to thank her. She saved their lives. The shooter kept banging on the door screaming: "Let me in! Let me in!" but he didn't get in.'"

Lots of reports of hiding in closets, a screaming shooter, but even if they answered Adam would not have heard them, but another shooter... a military vest became a fishing vest... he had a mask then no mask... he had two handguns, then three, then four, then two and a rifle.... plus hundreds of rounds of ammo... carried by a guy so skinny he had to be suffering from malnourishment for quite some time. The other shooter seems quite realistic by these observations.


The media narrative itself follows no specific, verifiable facts by direct photographic evidence from the scene. Because of course there were none available.

Making people make guesses for the truth is not Justice.
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If Adam was wearing ear-plugs why would he ask a question when he cannot hear an answer? Is this the real reason he did know(hear) the "nine kids in total" that were running past him? (Why was Soto unable to lock her door right away?) Other accounts he says not a word... the other shooter was shouting?
...
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


what i like the most about Soto heroic story, is when Adam comes, it was told that she says: "the kids are at gym"
how she knows Adam was looking for the kids?

because it's logic that a man with gun in elementary school is looking for children to kill.
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If Gene was totally fabricating his account that would be 7+3 survived and five casualties. So that would at least match the class picture, then what about the Gene account?

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From what I've been able to ascertain, there were five students driven to the police station.

I posted more info about this here. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

So..

5 casualties
5 driven to police station

And I have no idea about the remaining students.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


"State Rep. John Frey [link to www.newstimes.com]
Tricia Gogliettino (John Frey's sister).... was driving to Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning to deliver a gingerbread house she and her first-grader had made as a school project."

So she was heading to Monahan's as well... so once again a solid report of five kids... That would be seven in closet, five away to the police station and six over to Rosen's. Back to eighteen again, so perhaps the 16 angels was a gaff?.

The fifteen remaining victims are in D'Amato/Rousseau class.
So 16 in her class total, but three short on the school record? Roig three short? Monahan three short? Kazlouskas unknown.

I also think it is highly unlikely the shooter(s) is going to ask any questions... especially when the time-frame for this incident still looks to be seven minutes or less. But it is odd... maybe if he was screaming,"Where are my kids?"

That makes the angry parent option come back for the second shooter as a motive as well. Dumb-ass Lanza is his evil side-kick...? Kick that possibility around....
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So she was heading to Monahan's as well... so once again a solid report of five kids... That would be seven in closet, five away to the police station and six over to Rosen's. Back to eighteen again, so perhaps the 16 angels was a gaff?.

...
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


i think you could put Rosen witnesses to trash.
i prefer to totally ignore his stories, he changed so many time.

and think that the "kids in the closet" could escape before that cops arrive.

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So she was heading to Monahan's as well... so once again a solid report of five kids... That would be seven in closet, five away to the police station and six over to Rosen's. Back to eighteen again, so perhaps the 16 angels was a gaff?.

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What about the five casualties?
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So she was heading to Monahan's as well... so once again a solid report of five kids... That would be seven in closet, five away to the police station and six over to Rosen's. Back to eighteen again, so perhaps the 16 angels was a gaff?.

...
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


i think you could put Rosen witnesses to trash.
i prefer to totally ignore his stories, he changed so many time.

and think that the "kids in the closet" could escape before that cops arrive.
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I don't believe Rosen's story or stories either. The trouble is, from very early on he seems to know the general story of kids escaping from Soto's class. He also mentions Jesse Lewis as the name of the boy who's mother showed up at his door. In a different interview he says he thinks one of the girls at his house was named Emma and, if I'm not mistaken, Susan Ehrens' daughter is named Emma. But, he just does not seem credible in any way. He is one big reason why I think this is all a hoax.
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ok, i've tired to do a step line that could match with the most witnesses.

1. Adam shots the front door.

2. Hochsprung, Sherlach, Hammond go to see. Adam kills Hochsprung and Sherlach

3. Adam visits the office and the nurse

4. Adam visits Soto class and kills 5 kids, and Soto and Murphy. 5-7 kids escape

5. Adam visits Rousseau class

6. Kids from Soto class closet escape (8 child)

7. Fire and police arrive.

8. Adam return to Soto class and kills himself.


the kids from 4 -> end at police station
the kids from 6 -> end at firestation.
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Oh boy.... The Insanemedia guy noticed that Susan Ehrens reported that nine students altogether escaped past the shooter. [link to www.insanemedia.net]
Ehrens's statement is at 1:50 in this video. [link to www.youtube.com]

And then there's that blog post which says that ten students escaped, according the mother of a student killed, probably Jesse Lewis's mother. [link to www.yankeegunnuts.com]
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Oh boy.... The Insanemedia guy noticed that Susan Ehrens reported that nine students altogether escaped past the shooter. [link to www.insanemedia.net]
Ehrens's statement is at 1:50 in this video. [link to www.youtube.com]

And then there's that blog post which says that ten students escaped, according the mother of a student killed, probably Jesse Lewis's mother. [link to www.yankeegunnuts.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25326483


but you never know if Susan Ehrens refers to the kids total that escape from Soto.
or the kids that escape with her daughter.
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There is one more possibility to explain the numbers, but it too opens up a can of worms... my initial fact checking came up with 10 kids short of the official enrollment record. I thought because of the fact there were six classes the previous year that Rousseau, did in fact have her own class. Since she was not listed I then looked to see who she had to be subbing for leading to D'Amato.

However, (opening up the big worm can) if the five victims in Soto's class are moved over to Rousseau plus the ten missing that is fifteen kids. Amazingly, the only casualty in Soto's class is Soto herself. This means D'Amato was there as well.... still having the highest number of deaths... but maybe this is where the real lies were started by the state police? Did they purposely misinform the public about where these kids were killed?

Kazlouskas all 15 safe.
Monahan all 16 safe.
Roig all 16 safe.
Soto all 16 safe... but she died. (remove two kids from rosen's story and back to correct number of angels.)
D'Amato 15 dead only one survivor(16).
Rousseau five dead ten survivors(15).

This is 94 kids.. and the enrollment records all match.

The worm can is open... Rousseau was first reported as "they did not know how or where she died..." which struck me as stupendously stupid, she is in a classroom shot to death... her car is shot up... no factual schematics of inside the school showing the actual layout of class rooms.. room nine for example... this was purposeful and deceptive. But why?

Was D'Amato the main target of the very angry man? Did they allow the second shooter to go free then realizing their mistake mis-report or simply proceed to concocting a cover story that severely mangled the facts and forced parents to fudge their accounts?

The Newtown Bee report featuring Dawn, very much alive simply adds to the murky depths.
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Oh boy.... The Insanemedia guy noticed that Susan Ehrens reported that nine students altogether escaped past the shooter. [link to www.insanemedia.net]
Ehrens's statement is at 1:50 in this video. [link to www.youtube.com]

And then there's that blog post which says that ten students escaped, according the mother of a student killed, probably Jesse Lewis's mother. [link to www.yankeegunnuts.com]
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but you never know if Susan Ehrens refers to the kids total that escape from Soto.
or the kids that escape with her daughter.
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Hmmm, that's a good point.
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I like this group discussion we have going. I hereby name our little group the Sandy Hook Investigation Team!
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Sandy Hook Investigation Team....GO!!!!!


....too bad the CT State Troopers have said it will be June when the official final report is released.....but I doubt it will be actually released sometime before September...if ever...
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Pretty great video...

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I just watched this. A really well put together video. Narration was perfect... I'm gonna forward this to some homeboy sheeple here in L.A.afro
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Pretty great video...

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I just watched this. A really well put together video. Narration was perfect... I'm gonna forward this to some homeboy sheeple here in L.A.afro
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Newtown is/was in major debt.

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Don't forget this woman who says she saw 8-10 kids running towards the firehouse. They would have been running after the front glass had been shot out since she mentions seeing the glass when she went up to the entrance of the school.

I still want to know how this woman and the other "parent," did not see the bodies of the principal and the other woman who were shot. Weren't they shot near the front of the school? This woman was standing right there, so how did she did not see the bodies?

[link to www.katiecouric.com]
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I like this group discussion we have going. I hereby name our little group the Sandy Hook Investigation Team!
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Sandy Hook Investigation Team....GO!!!!!


....too bad the CT State Troopers have said it will be June when the official final report is released.....but I doubt it will be actually released sometime before September...if ever...
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in acronym S.H.I.T...


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There is one more possibility to explain the numbers, but it too opens up a can of worms... my initial fact checking came up with 10 kids short of the official enrollment record. I thought because of the fact there were six classes the previous year that Rousseau, did in fact have her own class. Since she was not listed I then looked to see who she had to be subbing for leading to D'Amato.

However, (opening up the big worm can) if the five victims in Soto's class are moved over to Rousseau plus the ten missing that is fifteen kids. Amazingly, the only casualty in Soto's class is Soto herself. This means D'Amato was there as well.... still having the highest number of deaths... but maybe this is where the real lies were started by the state police? Did they purposely misinform the public about where these kids were killed?

Kazlouskas all 15 safe.
Monahan all 16 safe.
Roig all 16 safe.
Soto all 16 safe... but she died. (remove two kids from rosen's story and back to correct number of angels.)
D'Amato 15 dead only one survivor(16).
Rousseau five dead ten survivors(15).

This is 94 kids.. and the enrollment records all match.

The worm can is open... Rousseau was first reported as "they did not know how or where she died..." which struck me as stupendously stupid, she is in a classroom shot to death... her car is shot up... no factual schematics of inside the school showing the actual layout of class rooms.. room nine for example... this was purposeful and deceptive. But why?

Was D'Amato the main target of the very angry man? Did they allow the second shooter to go free then realizing their mistake mis-report or simply proceed to concocting a cover story that severely mangled the facts and forced parents to fudge their accounts?

The Newtown Bee report featuring Dawn, very much alive simply adds to the murky depths.
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Its curious that even as late as several days after the shooting, some media outlets had Soto saving ALL her kids with only Soto dying in her class. So maybe there is something to this.
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Kazlouskas all 15 safe.
Monahan all 16 safe.
Roig all 16 safe.
Soto all 16 safe... but she died. (remove two kids from rosen's story and back to correct number of angels.)
D'Amato 15 dead only one survivor(16).
Rousseau five dead ten survivors(15).

This is 94 kids.. and the enrollment records all match.

...
 Quoting: Ghost Avatar 241180


i though about it. 5x 19-20 kids class.. split in 6x 15-16 kids class

but why... and Rousseau started 1 month before... then was hired permanent?

And Murphy and D'avino, teacher aide?
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There is one more possibility to explain the numbers, but it too opens up a can of worms... my initial fact checking came up with 10 kids short of the official enrollment record. I thought because of the fact there were six classes the previous year that Rousseau, did in fact have her own class. Since she was not listed I then looked to see who she had to be subbing for leading to D'Amato.

However, (opening up the big worm can) if the five victims in Soto's class are moved over to Rousseau plus the ten missing that is fifteen kids. Amazingly, the only casualty in Soto's class is Soto herself. This means D'Amato was there as well.... still having the highest number of deaths... but maybe this is where the real lies were started by the state police? Did they purposely misinform the public about where these kids were killed?

Kazlouskas all 15 safe.
Monahan all 16 safe.
Roig all 16 safe.
Soto all 16 safe... but she died. (remove two kids from rosen's story and back to correct number of angels.)
D'Amato 15 dead only one survivor(16).
Rousseau five dead ten survivors(15).

This is 94 kids.. and the enrollment records all match.

The worm can is open... Rousseau was first reported as "they did not know how or where she died..." which struck me as stupendously stupid, she is in a classroom shot to death... her car is shot up... no factual schematics of inside the school showing the actual layout of class rooms.. room nine for example... this was purposeful and deceptive. But why?

Was D'Amato the main target of the very angry man? Did they allow the second shooter to go free then realizing their mistake mis-report or simply proceed to concocting a cover story that severely mangled the facts and forced parents to fudge their accounts?

The Newtown Bee report featuring Dawn, very much alive simply adds to the murky depths.
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Its curious that even as late as several days after the shooting, some media outlets had Soto saving ALL her kids with only Soto dying in her class. So maybe there is something to this.
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On another site similar to this, someone posted tweets from Soto's friends (I don't think I'd be able to find them now), and in those tweets, they mentioned her saving ALL of her kids. More than one of her friends tweeted this.
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Don't forget this woman who says she saw 8-10 kids running towards the firehouse. They would have been running after the front glass had been shot out since she mentions seeing the glass when she went up to the entrance of the school.

I still want to know how this woman and the other "parent," did not see the bodies of the principal and the other woman who were shot. Weren't they shot near the front of the school? This woman was standing right there, so how did she did not see the bodies?

[link to www.katiecouric.com]
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Also, would cops really close the doors of the suspect car? Wouldn't they leave it as is as evidence?
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Hmmmmm...where did #973 disappear to?


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Re: BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information
Don't forget this woman who says she saw 8-10 kids running towards the firehouse. They would have been running after the front glass had been shot out since she mentions seeing the glass when she went up to the entrance of the school.

I still want to know how this woman and the other "parent," did not see the bodies of the principal and the other woman who were shot. Weren't they shot near the front of the school? This woman was standing right there, so how did she did not see the bodies?

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 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


oh no... we didnt forget Barbara Sibley

and her best witness done the 14th
[link to newsfeed.time.com]


so she see kids running.

silence (enough long to walk to the front door)

front glass shattered

gunshots

no 911 call because she hears sirens.

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