BREAKING!! Shocking New Sandy Hook Shooting Information

Here are the facts:






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From:
NHSHP Crime Scene Guidelines

[link to www.sponsorhospital.org]



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III. Entry to the crime scene should be made with the minimum number of personnel necessary to access and provide care to the patient(s).
• Do not send in multiple BLS first responders, ALS first responders and ambulance crew if it is likely to be a presumption of death


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XI. Patients who meet the “obvious death” criteria do not require EKG confirmation
of asystole, or any manipulation of the body. These include:
• Total separation of vital organs from body or total destruction of these
organs accompanied by no detectable pulse or respirations. Note: A single
person can rapidly assess for pulse and respirations.
• Any other injury not compatible with life in a pulseless apneic patient

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XIII. It is important to realize that law enforcement personnel have the authority to
presume death. If death has been presumed by a law enforcement officer, medical
confirmation procedures do not need to be performed by pre-hospital providers[this mean EMS crews]
unless requested.
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The OP of this thread has been thoroughly debunked as false.

In Connecticut, a law enforcement officer can pronounce you DOA - dead on arrival, dead on scene, dead in the field, dead right there, deader'n a doornail etc, and not do CPR and EMS is NOT EVEN NEEDED until law enforcement determines they are.


Thats an indisputable FACT.


PERIOD.

False?

Its in the manual....


All clinically dead patients will receive all available resuscitative measures including cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) unless contraindicated by one of the exceptions defined below. A clinically dead patient is defined as any unresponsive patient found without respirations and without a palpable carotid pulse.



Procedure:

The following conditions are the only exceptions to initiating and maintaining resuscitative
measures in the field on a clinically dead patient:

I. Traumatic injury or body condition clearly indicating biological death (irreversible brain death), limited to:

A. Decapitation: the complete severing of the head from the remainder of the patient's body. Does not apply.
B. Decomposition or putrefaction: the skin is bloated or ruptured, with or without soft tissue sloughed off, or there is the odor of decaying flesh. The presence of at least one of these signs indicated death occurred at least 24 hours previously. Does not apply.
C. Transection of the torso: the body is completely cut across below the shoulders and above the hips through all major organs and vessels. The spinal column may or may not be severed. Does not apply
D. Incineration: ninety percent of body surface area 3°burn as exhibited by ash rather than clothing and complete absence of body hair with charred skin. Does not apply
E. Dependent lividity with rigor : when clothing removed there is clear demarcation of pooled blood within the body, and major joints are immovable. Does not apply


They had a responsibility if the scene was as described.

CT is so fouled up who knows. The most corrupt state in the union.

This isnt about me or you.

Its about select people with ulterior motives posting lies to harm truth and to harm those seeking it.

Dont make the mistake of thinking these people are seeking the truth, and are trying to work with those seeking it. The opposite is the case. They are doing the exact opposite of those things.

They are posting lies in order to muddy the waters of truth and to stump and otherwise harm those who are truly seeking truth.

That was my point.

OH BOY >>>>>>

You stopped at E and are leaving out 'F' ...

- F. injuries incompatible with life




Is that and accident or intentional by you?

marceames comment is idiotic. Any bodies brought out of the building would have been covered.

Then, we also have the coniver coroner "Carver" who said that a big tent was set up for his use. ?? So bodies went to a big tent. But no one saw that.

SHUT THE FUCK UP SHILL!!!!!!!!!!!

for more info on SHILL973 check page 6 of this thread....

Glad this thread was posted. If not a hoax these issues would have been raised by the media.
Thanks, thanks, thanks.

mmm but what is the conclusion?

did they follow the mass casualties protocol?

Shill973 might be THE most annoying shill of them all.


Hey Shill973....do you and Holden both work out of the same crappy cubicle for your work as shills?

You are pathetic. I spit on you.

They are all actors/perpetrators.

Most are just dumb whore whores who sell out humanity without knowing what they do.
Same with the shills and cointel pro. They are dumb as shit.

Actors exposed:

[link to img685.imageshack.us]

[link to s14.directupload.net]

In normal, (real), news story that would be explained.

heuuu also...

it is in mass casualties protocol to put crime tape on cars before to fix the triage area?

[link to img703.imageshack.us]

So what youre telling us is that you prefer false info to go unchallenged, and that you have a big problem with anyone posting real facts that shows the info is false?

Ok got it.

Again, if anyone here is a shill, it is you and those like you.

I wonder how many posters here can spot the significance of the contradictions found in this article:



{Why is this statement so important?}
-"Becky’s son was in Amanda D’Amato’s class and a state trooper told her that the parents for that teacher’s class should wait in a special room in the rear of the firehouse.


“That was before they told us that 20 children were dead,” says Becky.

She takes a deep breath, stronger than anyone could imagine this mother to be at her son’s wake in Monroe, Conn., where the coffin was closed for reasons that are too soon to detail.

Who told them there were 20 dead children?

“I heard it on the radio on the way to the firehouse,” Stephen says.

“The state police told us in the firehouse,” Becky says.

By this time, almost an hour had passed.

“I figured maybe he was shot and in a hospital and alive,” says Becky.

Stephen says, “Then I got to the firehouse and the troopers made me sign a sheet of paper. I counted the signatures. There were 20 signatures. I had a sense then that my son was gone.”

Becky found Stephen in the firehouse, and they went into the back room again. “Then they assigned each of us a trooper,” Becky says.


“By 3 o’clock, the troopers came to us again and said the two kids who went to the hospital had perished,” Becky says. “I knew then. But I felt they weren’t forthcoming. I understand that they did what they did to keep us as calm as they could so that we could give them descriptions so they could identify the kids.”

Especially the ones who were unidentifiable.

“And then Gov. (Dannel) Malloy came out and gave a speech and said he wasn’t gonna take any questions from the families of the dead kids,” Stephen says.


Read more: [link to www.nydailynews.com]



Does anyone know how many kids died in Amanda D'Amatos class? That would be 14. And yes the answer is very simple...


There is no excuse period for the nurse to hide in a closet for 4 hours. She did not want to identify those kids for a reason... or provide aid. The same goes for emergency responding personal. Especially, when one of those kids was still alive. But she like them didn't know that...

You must have missed it. The basic premise of this thread was proven 100% false.




yes

[link to www.sponsorhospital.org]

In CT, police can declare DOA on scene with or without EMS and do not have to allow EMS on scene or release the scene to EMS or any others until they have finished their crime scene investigation. Also, CPR is rarely initiated on pulseless, apneic gunshot wound victims. Doing it is the exception and not the norm. What happened at Sandy Hook is totally consistent with protocol as far as treatment of the victims goes by police and EMS.

you talk about me?
i am not sure... i didnt follow shills fight..shill bashing...

this thread is about a video that talk about emergency protocol. let's talk about EMT protocol.

and my question was:
it is normal to fix triage area after this:

[link to img703.imageshack.us]

they expected more wounded? really?
or they are doing a show for helicopter?

so..ok you think "yes".

and it is also in the protocol that cop officer who find a girl with "life sign" take her in arms and run outside?

normal to fix triage area, when no wounded is expected?

normal that no ambulance stay a bit more near the school?

mmmm D'Amato?

Teacher victims are Soto, Murphy, Davino (or D'avino) and Rousseau.

Open a thread for this.. this is highly suspect.

OK, this is just nuts. As far as I know NO kids died in Amanda D'Amato's class. The kids that died were in Lauren Rousseau's class and Vicki Soto's class. This is the first story I've read that has a kid from any other class being shot.

To add even more confusion, in this video at 1:52, Susan Ehrens, who's daughter Emma survived, decribed her and 8 OTHER kids escaping from Vicki Soto's class. So, if you add 9 escapees to the 5 that died and the 7 that were found in the closet, that makes 21 kids in her class. That is 6 more that are in her class photo.
Not only that, just as Ehrens is decribing how those kids ran and ran a half mile away, the video of her testimony ends just before she could have said that some of those kids ended up on Rosen's lawn. Coincidence?

Oops, forgot the link:

[link to www.youtube.com]

hehe..good point...

need to be added to
Thread: SANDY HOOK - Ms. Soto's Class - Details Change AGAIN!!
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Done. I just added it.

If you recall, Lauren Rousseau was substituting for a teacher who was on maternity leave. Amanda D'Amato is the teacher who was on maternity leave.

probably...

There is no F....

Now who is making stuff up?

The whole has specific descriptions of what condition nullifies need for treatment. i.e. decapitation, incineration, obvious decoposition that is at least 24 hours old, etc. etc.

The there is supposed to be F - 'incompatible with life'.

Why bother with the list above that with a statement this this is entire list of exceptions ("limited to") if you are going throw in a catch-all like that?

No sense what so ever.

FAIL.

Could you please provide a link for the manual you are quoting? AC 973 provided a link for this document. [link to www.sponsorhospital.org]

On the second page, it states:

XI. Patients who meet the “obvious death” criteria do not require EKG confirmation of asystole, or any manipulation of the body. These include:
• Decapitation
• Incineration of 90% or more of the total body surface area
• Decomposition or putrefaction
• Transection of the torso
• Dependent lividity with rigor
• Patients total incineration of torso and/or head
• Decomposition
• Total separation of vital organs from body or total destruction of these organs accompanied by no detectable pulse or respirations. Note: A single person can rapidly assess for pulse and respirations.
• Any other injury not compatible with life in a pulseless apneic patient